Who Won Biden-Palin Debate? Was Biden Too Nice? »
Posted By VoteMeCool 1 year, 2 months ago in NewsWho won tonight's Vice-Presidential debate? Was Biden being too nice to Palin? Did his "niceness" backfire?
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ADAGUY1 year, 2 months ago
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I watched the debate in it's entirety, and from what I saw, it was no knock down , dragout out, but I can say that Biden was superior in the points he scored, However, Palin was much better at delivering her responses than she was with Katie Couric.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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socalprincipal1 year, 2 months ago
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Biden was clear, succint, made solid points, and was very genuine in his approach. Palin...well, the expectations for her were so LOW coming in that her not having a major gaffe made her look better, than she truly did. She is only somewhat knowledgeable on one issue.......energy....and I truly question her breadth and depth of knowledge because she is supporting her cry from the debate "drill, baby, drill". Moreover, would you want her making THE DECISIONS that would control our lives, if god forbid McCain got in and got gravely ill or worse tragically passed? He is the oldest presidential candidate ever.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Biden did fine. Palin talked a lot, and spoke well.,..but she was more rhetoric than substance. From a personal perspective, I don't like people who are in that position who come off 'folksy'. I find it to be patronizing, and talking down to people. Same with the cutesy 'winks.' She's an adult engaging in a serious conversation, not a teeny bopper running for president of her senior class.
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l8again2331 year, 2 months ago
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i agree totally! she reminds me of an old cheerleader or something. i would prefer a more dignified person in the oval office and i am by no means a stick in the mud but there's a time and place for everything. i find her to be ridiculous and i can't stand how she talks. not the accent but the choice of words. God help us if she ever ends up as president!
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epiphannyy1 year, 2 months ago
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The moderator was TERRIBLE! She allowed Palin to talk all over the place and stray so far off topic that the questions may as well not even existed!
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When asked about foreign policy, Biden answered the question and Palin talked about tax cuts.
When asked about home mortgages, Biden answered the question and Palin talked about tax cuts.
When asked about Afghanistan, Biden answered the question and Palin talked about tax cuts.
When asked what they would do if the worst happened and they ascended to the presidency, Biden answered the question and Palin winked, then talked about tax cuts.
What I find most frightening, however, is that few seem to have even picked up on her total lack of substance or coherent response when it came to very serious matters. Even when asked about the authority of the vice presidency and if she agreed with Cheney's assertion that it is not held to the restrictions overseeing the executive branch and she said she AGREED. Biden DID pounce on that, but how many people even grasp that significance of that assertion? I haven't seen many comments about it. And that is HUGE. Talk about MORE OF THE SAME!
This woman is a complete incompetent who hasn't a clue about anything truly important. She memorized her little "speeches" well and delivered them with a wink and a smile so the morons out in TV land would lap it up like the moronic pets that they obviously are, but she actually SAID nothing. She responded to almost nothing and when she did, she made a fool of herself. But I guess, in order to see that she made a fool of herself, those watching have to be slightly above the "fool" mentality themselves......too bad. -
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
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", I don't like people who are in that position who come off 'folksy'. I find it to be patronizing, and talking down to people. Same with the cutesy 'winks.' She's an adult engaging in a serious conversation, not a teeny bopper running for president of her senior class."
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Most of America isn't you, however. Most of America works at about a fourth grade level of intelligence and depth of thought. No I take that back. More like a third grade level of complexity. She'll do well with those people. Just as Biden will do well with those people who actually think. -
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 2 months ago
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Well said Jordan. It looked like she was flirting. I bet some men found her charming but the women folk I know were not charmed or amused. Very unprofessional and just a step away from sexual harrassment in a professional work environment.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't think she's beyond help but she's REALLY irritating and painfully phony. Why are we supposed to be impressed that she knows how to pronounce Ahmadinejad (thanks, Sarah...we got it...you studied REEEEALY hard), but then repeatedly says nuke-you-ler and mispronounces Iraq? And she needs to learn more words (or at least more talking points). This may sound really nitpicky (after 8 years of Bushisms) but she has a habit of ending her sentences with prepositions, using split infinitives and repeating phrases she should know to avoid because they caused people to burst out laughing the first time she said them. This wouldn't be SO inexcusable if she hadn't criss-crossed the country at different colleges over six years earning a journalism degree. Or maybe it would. Now I'm confused...
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Anyway, she absolutely needs to lose that sugary midwestern sass routine and the cutie pie winking--for the love of God, Sarah, KILL THAT. Finally, who coached her to repeat howlers like "rears its head" and "he's a maverick"? "Waving the white flag of surrender"? What..as opposed to the white flag signaling the final lap at NASCAR, Sarah? Oh well...Maybe I should just be relieved she refrained from licking her fingertip and putting it up in the air again. OMFG. ;-( -
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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I want my leaders to deliver more than body shots. They should really know what they are talking about. She kept talking about the "change" that she and McCain are supposed to bring to Washington but never gave us any example of what they where going to do to change anything.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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steve1141 year, 2 months ago
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Don't you people realize the MAJORITY of her words were teleprompted?? When she had to speak first, she would attack Biden on something or another (all the while her people were choosing what answer to say). She then went on the debate, looking straight at the
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words (which were very close to the camera lens). I took communication classes at a college in CT. This was LITERALLY in Media 101. Biden looked down once in a while, but his majority of time was looking at Gwen.
I have a PRETTY STRONG feeling that there's people that are getting paid by the Republican party to write non-sensical lies about Obama
and write all glory to a 'maverick' Mccain and another 'great' Republican - Dick Cheney-
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gtmerkley1 year, 2 months ago
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I can see how you might think that the way Joe kept forgetting how he voted and what he said about Obama not being able to run the country before he got the number 2 spot. But I think it is just senility I hat to make fun of anyone's health condition but when it comes to running the country I think we have to draw the line.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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I couldn't say if she was tele-prompted or not. I can say that she was well rehearsed. And I noticed that she repeated the names of ME leaders several times. This kind of debating is a smokescreen for knowing little, but leaving an impression that someone knows a lot. There was no substance. Saying that you can't talk to your enemies without conditions is a bush talking point, and negates that bush did have someone go there and talk without conditions after Obama said it needed to be done.
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Biden called her on her 'conditions' on talks with the Iran President, citing the fact that it isn't him you talk to anyway. It's the theocrats who run the country, not the President. She quickly deflected from that by attacking Obama's record. She didn't know that the President of Iran can't make decisions like attacking other country's. -
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msmiopathy1 year, 2 months ago
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the debate went well. Sarah Palin sort of came ito her own re speaking in public. But Joe Biden was clearly the winner. Sarah Palin is mostly fluff and little substance , especially as a vice president, or G=d forbid, a president. She is absolutely NOT up for being a part of the administration of this country."Caribou Barbie " go home, Alaska calls !
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Ray1234561 year, 2 months ago
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Debates have certain rules, format, questions and guidelines to be followed. Given this fact Palin did not win. When asked a question she either changed the subject or went back to her "comfort zone" as I heard so much of tonight. Which means she talked about whatever she wanted and avoided the real question. She didnt know the answer or how to answer the question. She was totally unprepared, not saying shes not bright, but that she cant be prepared in so little time. She was cute and funny, which would be cool if I was trying to date her. If im wrong let me know, I'll debate you
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linda10s1 year, 2 months ago
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Here Here Ray123456! How could anyone say Palin won the debate? She talked a lot. But just like her interviews.... When she didn't know the answer, she changed the question. Biden, on the other hand, treated the debate like a debate. He actually answered the questions. I was really waiting for him to call her on it, but he didn't. Too much of a gentleman! Or should we call that diplomacy - acting Presidential maybe? This may seem petty but I do believe the vice president of the United States should have good diction, also. She has a tendency to drop her "g's" at the end of words. I also found the cute little expressions and the wink to the audience to be condescending and absolutely inappropriate.
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gtmerkley1 year, 2 months ago
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she caught him flat footed in lie after lie he voted against obama on so meany things that now he says he voted with obama. the press is going to have a field day. I don't think she was talking down to anyone she just lacks the holler then thou altitude that some people think someone in power should have. If we wanted a king we would still be British. There is no denying it all he did was stammer and stutter when she caught him ,she won no contest
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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She didn't catch him in any lies. He explained all his position but she just kept spouting the same accusations that McCain did in the first debate over and over again.
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I found her presentation to be too much "hockey mom" I don't want an average mom in that position, I want a statesman (or woman) I want some one who is ready to take over from day one if need be, not pack my lunch.
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linda10s1 year, 2 months ago
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Here Here Ray123456! How could anyone say Palin won the debate? She talked a lot. But just like her interviews.... When she didn't know the answer, she changed the question. Biden, on the other hand, treated the debate like a debate. He actually answered the questions. I was really waiting for him to call her on it, but he didn't. Too much of a gentleman! Or should we call that diplomacy - acting Presidential maybe? This may seem petty but I do believe the vice president of the United States should have good diction, also. She has a tendency to drop her "g's" at the end of words. I also found the cute little expressions and the wink to the audience to be condescending and absolutely inappropriate.
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gtmerkley1 year, 2 months ago
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Have you ever heard obama talk? The way he pronounces words you almost need a translator. Have you ever herd him pronounce the name of a country or a person. Pokestin where is that anywhere close to pakestain. I'm with you get rid of oboma get someone who can talk right
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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Palin did better than hoped for. Most of us where looking for another Saturday Night Live skit. But that said she brought no substance to the table. If I heard how Alaska was an "energy producing state, or John McCain is a Maverick" one more time with nothing to back it up I was going to puke. I'm glad Joe called her out on the Maverick stuff finally. John McCain hasn't been a maverick since 2000 He has walked lock step with Bush since then and promises nothing but more of the same.
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lewby54-591 year, 2 months ago
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Palin was certainly folksy but short on substance.
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mdtc1 year, 2 months ago
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I agree most of your comments Joe won the debate. Palin was just a cheerleader and talked her way around subjects. She didn't have an answer for alternitive fuels because Alaska's primary income is oil. If demand for oil drops they have nothing. If Exxon doesn't get the 4 BILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAK IT HURTS ALASKA! If Barack and Joe disagreed in the past that's a good thing. My wife and I have been successful and worked togeather yet dissagree on a regular basis. We agree on what we want to accomplish but different views on how to get there. Thats what I see with Joe. Palin was talking down to us in her cutsie way. I hate that wink crap reminds me of a used car saleman[have I got a deal for you]
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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I found someone who was more like middle American and less like Washington and I was impressed. Mr. Biden was clearly
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short on substance other than he kept bringing up George
Bush who clearly is not running. This is 2008 and Mr.Obama
and Mr. Biden can't seem to move forward. I agree Mr.
Bush has sure had his problems but lets not limit these
debates to George Bush. John McCain is his own man and
speaks his own mind as we have all seen by the way he dosen't
toe the party line.
Mavrick is a bit silly but has a lot of truth to it. I
believe these two (McCain and Palin) are the change this
country needs at this time. Hollywood and the Media
have lost all creditability and the left wing liberals
are getting histarical with trashing this lady. All this
mud slinging does not impress me and I keep waiting for
Mr. Obama to put a stop to this trash talking aimed at
Mrs. Palin. I read today where Sarah Bernhart talked
of black people gang raping Mrs. Palin if she came to
New York. This is so wrong and the dis-respect shown
by Obama supporters if rewarded will continue to
spread this rotting, discusting atmosphere that is
so evident in today's liberal media. The democraatic
party is even discusting many of their own.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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I found someone who was more like middle American and less like Washington and I was impressed>>>>
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Why? Because she winks and says 'soccer mom" and "joe six-pack?" Could you elaborate on your comment. I'd seriously like to understand how Palin is 'more like middle America'. I don't see it. She's like no 'middle America' that I've ever seen. The middle America I know is intelligent , sophisticated, hard working, generous people. Not a bunch of silly winking, 'joe six pack,' mispronouncing words deliberately.. ie "gonna" instead of going to. The woman mocks middle Americans. -
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe had plenty of substance, he facts and figures to back up his argument. All she gave us was that she and McCain are going to bring change to Washington and that they are outsiders and mavericks. What change? How? Everything that they propose is just a continuation of failed Bush policy. Cut taxes to the rich, continue the war, don't talk to our enemies, deregulate the health care industry.
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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I recall the days before all this gotcha mentality when
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people were civil and respectful of each other. I was
glad Mr. Biden did not try to trash Mrs. Palin last night
as the other democrats and media have been doing for so
long and I thought Gail also was respectful of Mrs. Palin.
The debate impressed me mostly because of the behavior
of these three people and the fact that there was little
bias.Debates more fair when the media is not in there
editing out things they don't want people to hear like
they did with Mrs. Palin last week. I appreciate honesty
and fairness in debating formats "like last night."Gail did
a great job and I applaud her for being fair although
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memestryker1 year, 2 months ago
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Gwen Ifill was the moderator. I thought she did a great job. I was amazed that Biden didn't get scrappy. I admire Palin for coming up to speed as quickly as she's had to do. I didn't expect to see anything earth-shattering in this debate (and didn't). I thought it proved that Biden can be civil and Palin can hold her own.
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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Was Biden to nice??? It is a sin to be to nice?????
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Who dreams up these headlines???? Mr. Biden, Mrs.
Palin and Gail were all nice and that is what made
it such a good debate. Get over it , all you people
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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All the negative things Mr. Biden said about Mr. Obama
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this past year, did he believe them at the time or was
he just trying trying to further his own candidacy?
The fact that he saw no leadership then makes me
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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It's been a long campaign, the longest in history. I think that maybe since the beginning of this campaign Joe has seen a side of Barack that he didn't see earlier. No one thought he could stand up to Hillary and the Clinton machine, and he did and did it well.
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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Mr. Biden and Mrs. Palin both did better than I felt they would, they both were well rehearsed. Mrs. Palin came
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across more comfortable and seemed to own her convictions.
Mr. Biden seemed a bit stiff and unsure at times, He
didn't seem as relaxed and comfortable as she was.
It was a good debate, fair other than when Mr. Biden
kept forgetting this was 2008 and George Bush was not
running. I would like to hear the Obama campaign get
on with it and leave Bush out of this campaign. When
they can't find any way of moving forward it is kind
of scary that they may continue to use the past
for their excuses whenever they are having problems.
George Bush is not John McCain and somebody needs to
explain that to the Obama campaign so they can get
on with this and tell us positive things going
forward. Turning only backward makes it very hard
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beavith11 year, 2 months ago
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"... I would like to hear the Obama campaign get
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on with it and leave Bush out of this campaign..."
that's an extremely valid point. unfortunately, the reality is that's the only campaign issue that O runs on. "I'm not him."
substantively, O is an empty suit.
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Stand4Justice1 year, 2 months ago
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I thought the debate was interesting. I watched only to see what was really said, because when you read things later, the media is so biased on Obama. When I have listened to Obama, its almost like he is speaking gibberish lies..what he says doesn't match his track record! Palin did great except her winking was very unprofessional and her slips into slang didn't seem right as compared to other women of state, she could use some grammar or presentation lessons. Keep in mind though that she has been leading Alaska and it does help to speak to people in their manner of speaking. What bothers me is that people simply like to attack rather than listen and look for what good things a person has to say. In presidential candidates I do not find any good thing in either when they have to run smear and finger pointing campaigns rather than address the nation with answers that give us confidence we will have a sound leadership that will guide us out of the troubled waters we are coming upon. We need a captain, not a sailor with a dream!! This is the president of the United States we are electing! Personally, I've watched Ron Paul stand up to congress and give an intelligent speech with solutions before his NO vote, and I know of many who are writing him in on the ballot...that's where my vote lies too..we need intelligent guidance and strength in the financial arena as well as war, foreign policy, and all the other critical areas we are lacking in .. HE HAS THAT...well rounded. I don't see that sense of lets get America back on track urgency in the 2 running and the vp choices combined!
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I see agendas and dreams of what they want to do overruling what truly needs to be done..so our budget will just be bent to their agendas instead of fixed! They all talk the talk, but only Ron Paul will walk the walk! Mark my words.-
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drongo100111 year, 2 months ago
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You're as intellectually as vacant as the mental midget you support.Speaking as as an outsider it sickens most of us to observe that the pathetic, syrupy nonsense that a big-haired dodo from Alaska can (even enter and) so influence the halls of power. We wouldnt give a flying rat's arse if it only affected you yanks - but sadly it affects the rest of the world too. Alas, the tragedy of interdependence.
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rparen31 year, 2 months ago
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Winking?shout out? Joe six Pack? hockey mom? soccer mom? gotcha? betcha?
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gonna? thinkin? doin? Civil War General McClellen?
More power for the VP? No one thinking responsibly and clearly could in good conscience vote for her and McCain. She would be one heartbeat from the Presidency. Mc Cain is 72 years old. Consider how the offoce of the presidency ages people. This is a tragic mistake. We are involved in two wars, financial chaos, 40 million without health care, over 600,000 unemployed and we would have a cutsey, cheerleader, Hee Hee, Ha Ha, caribou Barbie in there.The state of Alaska has 100,000 fewer people than Jacksonville Florida. She carries that infant off and on airplanes and all over the place. What kind of life is this for the baby? Where is the baby when she is all over the place for days and days. I understand working mothers, I am one, however, when they are newborn most mothers are with them longer than 3 days before returning to work. It's like she is trying out for a beauty pagent, high school prom queen etc. We have to be serious now. This is a travesty.-
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beavith11 year, 2 months ago
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you're a travesty.
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its OK. you want to vote for Obama. go do it.
fling poo at yourself.
oh. and by the way, i am going to vote McCain Palin thinking responsibly and in good conscience. matter of fact, i'll sleep better knowing that i'm not going to be responsible for the coming term of class warfare based on the policy that O stands for.
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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Being nice is not a sin !
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Can't you remember back when people were nice?
Being NOT NICE is more popular today in the media
and in Hollywood but in middle AMERICA people
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Beau78901 year, 2 months ago
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I agree that civility is sorely lacking in public discourse today.
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Politics were a lot more civil before the days of Reagan when Republicans made vicious, misleading rhetoric a major part of their strategy. And when it worked for them, they were "emboldened," as our president would say.
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Stand4Justice1 year, 2 months ago
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I saw that too, Mr. Biden, Hillary and quite a few others who smeared Obama previously all of a sudden on his bandwagon. There are other agendas going on that the public isn't aware of due largely to media bias! Makes on wonder what is going on behind those closed door phone calls!
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 2 months ago
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I hope The Windfall Tax Kid is not sent to negotiate for us. She can't seem to stay on topic. I can just hear her telling a Russian delegation that she doesn't want to talk about missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, but she will talk about how she is an energy expert and is proud to work for Flip Flop Johnny because he's a "maverick."
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wncblisshouse1 year, 2 months ago
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Well I have to get my middle class self up and moving as I have
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a job to go to. No one pays my bills but me, I will be driving
my car a 1999 Buick, I have been a small business person in
Michigan for 25 years and love my state but also am aware
Michigan is not a friend of small business, who is the states
largest employer. We are a family divided by small business and the U.A.W. but united in our vote for McCain because of
trust, experience and the unfair left wing media bias of
Mrs. Palin and her family.
Sarah, Plain and real....................
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