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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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Burke, who was named prefect of the Vatican’s Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature in June, told the Italian Catholic newspaper Avvenire that the U.S. Democratic Party risked “transforming itself definitively into a party of death for its decisions on bioethical issues.” He then attacked two of the party’s most high profile Catholics — vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — for misrepresenting Church teaching on abortion.
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He said Biden and Pelosi, “while presenting themselves as good Catholics, have presented Church doctrine on abortion in a false and tendentious way.”-
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buckncindykill1 year, 1 month ago
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Those who accuse presidential aspirant Sen. Barack Obama of empty rhetoric must have missed his speech last July, recently made public, to the benefactors of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund. At that festive event, he was as sharp and specific as a scalpel.
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"The first thing I'd do as president," he told a cheering audience, "is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do."
The audience cheered enthusiastically. And well they might. As NARAL enthuses on its website, this act would "codify Roe v. Wade's protections and guarantee the right to choose for future generations of women."
In short, if we are to take Obama at his word, his first priority as president would be to serve an early death sentence on millions of unborn Americans.-
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NoWayMan1 year, 1 month ago
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meanwhile...
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Palin praises her daughter Bristol for CHOOSING to keep her baby. so Bristol's pro-choice and her mom doesn't even realize it. and Palin is praising her for a decision she is trying to take away from other women.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well, Bush and McCain prefer that the millions they kill are foreigners I suppose.
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McCain: Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty .
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david_nwpa1 year, 1 month ago
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Not that I agree with buckncindy on this issue, but you do not need to use ad hominem and attack as methods for argument. Calling buckncindy a freak wins you no points. You can attack their message without attacking them personally.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Excuse me, but the President doesn't have any say over RoeVWade. It's a Constitutional issue. You do know that, don't you? And you do know that every time republicans bring up a bill on the issue, it's just for show to manipulate you for votes, right? Roe V Wade is a done deal. Congress can't change it. Presidents can't change it. And you're never going to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution to change it. Now I suggest if you REALLY want to see abortion stopped, that you insist birth control is available, that girls receive the necessary education to protect themselves, & step up to plate offering women options when they find themselves against a wall and pregnant. Otherwise, I'll have to think you a rather arrogant person who fancies herself morally superior to others, & I certainly wouldn't want to think that.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Klarissa, the Catholic church is full of all kinds of people and all kinds of policies.
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For example, in Spain (a REALLY catholic country) almost 25% of priests are married - and it has been that way for centuries.
The catholic position on abortion changes regularly.
Early church permitted abortion in some cases
By Emily O'Reilly
Those of you under the age of four hundred and ten probably won't remember a time when the Roman Catholic church permitted abortion.
Just to clarify, given the semantic gyrations currently under way in the latest abortion debate, I mean abortion in the sense of the direct and intentional killing of the baby in the womb.
It's not something that's ever alluded to by anti-abortion activists, but any church historian will tell you that over the centuries Catholic popes and theologians have done more U-turns on this issue than you could shake a stick at.
The early Christian church eschewed abortion and turned its back on the old Aristotelian theory of `delayed ensoulment'. Aristotle had taught that a foetus has a vegetable soul that evolves into an animal soul later in pregnancy. Finally, the foetus is `animated' with a human soul.
In those pre-PC days, Aristotle also taught that `ensoulment' occurred at 40 days after conception for male foetuses, and 90 days after conception for female foetuses. Therefore, abortion was not condemned if performed early in pregnancy.
Aristotle came back into fashion in the 4th century when St Augustine wrote that a human soul cannot live in an unformed body.
In a letter to Aglasia (I don't know, so don't ask) from St Jerome, Jerome wrote, "The seed gradually takes shape in the uterus, and it [abortion] does not count as killing until the individual elements have acquired their external appearance and their limbs."
For the next few centuries, the Aristotelian ensoulment theory moved in and out of papal fashion. ...
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Oh Klarissa ... how sad.
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Klarissa, I remember when you came on board Netscape/Propeller, you came across as having an even keel ... as having some dignity about your world view.
But it seems your desperate hatred for Barack Obama has pushed you into the Agent of Division style of luvmyprez - OmegaGnosis - and now - redtomato.
Look, I wish I could convince you that this style is counter productive for your cause. Of course, the cause you appear to have taken up is one of extreme Moral Vacancy.
Think about it ... Neo-Conservatives FIGHT AGAINST health care for CHILDREN!
While they fight against Health Care for Children ... they FIGHT FOR sending our children to an arbitrary war ... a strategic blunder that has not only killed over 4,000 of our children ... but hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's.
Do you REALLY want to join forces with redtomato and the other Agents of Division?
Do you remember how Johnny McCain once called Jerry Falwell an Agent of Division? NOW, he seeks these preaching power mongers out for endorsements!
That is how low Johnny has had to sink ... how deeply he has had to sublimate his Moral Compass ... just to appease and pander to the redtomatos of this world.
Please think about what you are doing.
Sure, you don't like Obama ... I get it ... but the Hatred you are trying to foment .... is it really worth losing your Moral Compass ... like Johnny?
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Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago
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The vatican is the administrative body of a religion that people follow in absence of God.
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They differ from other Christians in that they believe that the keeping of "sacraments" is an acceptable offering to God. Other Christians believe that salvation is only through God's grace and believing what he promised, the sacrifice of his son is payment for all sins.
The pope is a man reqiuring the "grace of God" for salvation.
Other than that he's a man wearing a pointy hat.
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