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Posted By dbe928 1 year, 2 months ago in News

Ayers Was on Woods Fund Board with Obama When He Stepped on Flag
Politics | Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:40:39 am PDT

Barack Obama was much older than 8 when William Ayers was photographed stepping on a US flag in 2001, for an article in which Ayers said he had “No Regrets” for his violent actions in the Weather Underground.

In fact, at the same time Ayers was in a Chicago alley desecrating the flag, he and Barack Obama were serving on the board of the Woods Fund together: PolitiFact | Obama served on board with Ayers.

Deborah Harrington, president of the Woods Fund, a philanthropic organization in Chicago, said Obama was a director from 1994 through 2001. That overlaps Ayers’ time as a director by three years. It also means Obama served with Ayers for the final months of 2001, after Ayers made his comments to the New York Times.

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    ravile1 year, 2 months ago

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    Senator Obama is not responsible for the actions of others.So what if he was on the same board. senator Obama didnt step on the flag.

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      Karlyc1 year, 2 months ago

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      Yeah, you know that this stikes a chord when there are so many comments coming in about how "irrelevant" this is to the election.

      The reason the Ayers / Obama / terrorism issue will not die out despite massive efforts to just make it go away, is the very fact that Obama has failed really come clean on the issue.

      To most Americans this all smells very very very bad, and the fact Obama cannot come clean on it says a lot more than the huge effort to suppress it.

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        hamy1 year, 2 months ago

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        Come on Karly. Bush was elected twice and he was raised alongside the man who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11. If you didn't have a problem with it when you "luv"ed him, why do you suddenly have a problem with it now?

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          PapaWolf1 year, 2 months ago

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          Because it's a DEMOCRAT, maybe? It's the same as ridiculing a decorated Viet Nam vet because he wasn't "injured enough" while fanatically endorsing a Viet Nam-era AWOL pilot who basically should've flunked out of flight school.

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          techsupport1 year, 2 months ago

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          Is this relevant too, then?

          McCain's "own Bill Ayers":

          http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/mccains-...

          Why is this association never brought up? Do we want a man who was convicted of felony and conspiracy in relation to an act that was the most damaging to Presidential trust in this country's history to once again have access to the White House? Why has Sen. McCain never disavowed him? Isn't he ashamed of what this man did to our country?

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            GLee1 year, 2 months ago

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            Not even close to being the same. Sorry.

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              jrmunro1 year, 2 months ago

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              Why because you say so.

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                Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago

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                I think you guys need to be doing more to smear Obama, you are falling behind still in the polls. I think if you were to lie twice as much and smear say...three times as much that you could recover the lead, lmao.

                C'mon, where is Luvmyprez, alphagnosis, you are letting your team down, you need to bring the smears, take off the gloves and sing the praises of that twit vp you picked....you can do it!!!

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                ELuven1 year, 2 months ago

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                So true,nobody seesms to mind who Obama associates with,walks like a duck, talks like a duck-you pick terrorist,socialist,white hater or everything wrapped into being an American hater. Next thing you know our Presidents will only step down when they're dead.

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                vabnker1 year, 2 months ago

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                Karly he has come clean, and major news sources have debunked this. The reason it wont die out is because people like you continue to want to make a big deal of it. Tell us all exactly what does Ayers stepping on the American flag have to do with he and Obama sitting on a board together. Can someone who uses half-truths and outright lies to smear the competition be considered "respectful?" That is what Senator McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin have done - and continue to do with their characterization of Senator Obama as "paling around with terrorists." This is not my opinion, this is what several reputable news organizations have concluded:
                CNN calls these allegations "False." The New York Times says, " the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers." The Washington post, ""This whole connection is a stretch," The Chicago Sun Times, " Obama's Connection To Ayers Is A "Phony Flap".
                If your claim that his minimal association with Ayers is a big deal, then tell us all how you feel about McCain voting with Bush more than 90% of the time. Ayers never killed anybody when he bombed buildings. Bush, McCain and Palin because they are associates of the same party have killed more than 38,000 people in Iraq and Afghanistan including over 4,000 precious American men and women.

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                  CPTL1 year, 2 months ago

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                  PLEASE, The New York Times and CNN like they aren't the most biased news organizations in the world! They are worse than FOX.

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                    Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago

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                    You may be correct, but only because FOX is a propaganda outlet not a news channel.

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                  lfergie8121 year, 2 months ago

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                  Karlyc
                  McCain was in the Navy when Johnson bombed our ship in the Gulf of Tonkin so I guess that would put him in cohorts with Johnson.

                  "The reason the Ayers / Obama / terrorism issue will not die out despite massive efforts to just make it go away, is the very fact that Obama has failed really come clean on the issue."
                  Obama has denounced Ayers' radical views and activities but the reason it will die out is the drop in the polls for McCain because of these tactics. The American people are tired of this kind of election tactics and only the Republican supporters want to hear this kind of negative campaign because they're desperate. Obama has a large lead in Florida, Ohio, and Virginia now. What does that tell you?

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                    GLee1 year, 2 months ago

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                    You can't clean that kind of 'dirt' away.

                    I'll place my vote for a true American.

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                      cushi1 year, 2 months ago

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                      How would you know one?

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                        FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago

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                        McCain told him.....

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                        COMPOST121 year, 2 months ago

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                        Palin husband belonged to a separatist party for nearly seven years. Does that make her a true American? McCain picked her as a running mate.

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                          AmericanFighter1 year, 2 months ago

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                          WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! ok so Obama has turned his back on one belief in his life, he does not appreciate the smallest fragment of American heritage and is happy to let us know about. But hey, what the heck he comes with "CHANGE"... Give me a break people. Is all of America the biggest group of fair weather friends that has been recorded to date? I pray not...

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                          Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                          Karlyc: "The reason the Ayers / Obama / terrorism issue will not die out despite massive efforts to just make it go away, is the very fact that Obama has failed really come clean on the issue.

                          No, this issue won't die because people like you keep pushing it. Obama won't come clean about it, you say? Clean about what? He had nothing to do with it. Have you ever served on any board? If yes, do you know what other board members did when you weren't with them? I've served on a board as a director, and I don't have the foggiest idea about what the other directors did outside the board meetings. Moreover, my concern was with the organization and making sure that everything worked well there, and I didn't even care what the others did in their own time.

                          You say that all this smells very bad. You know what smells bad? This smear campaign smells bad; it smells to high heaven. I just hope that Americans can smell it too and all this will backfire on the McCain campaign. In all my life, I've never seen as much filth in a campaign as I'm seeing now.

                          I'm not a Democrat, and I have no vested interest in this election, but I find it really disgusting.

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                            FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago

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                            So let me get this straight, Candida....

                            If I go to KKK meetings, never burn a cross or anything, but just attend the meetings on occasion and hang out with fellow KKK clansmen, then I can run for president and not be scrutinized for my associations?

                            I just want to make sure I am clear,here.....

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                              Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago

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                              I seriously doubt you have the intellectual ability to get any fact straight FSU. I will not even bother to debate you since you long ago proved to most here what kind of a simpleton you are.

                              Repeat after me friend...President Obama, and thankyou for your contributions to helping an intellectual get elected.

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                                ADAGUY1 year, 2 months ago

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                                Harry Truman did!

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                                  PapaWolf1 year, 2 months ago

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                                  First, David Duke, grand pupah of the KKK, got elected to Congress from Louisiana (IIRC)

                                  Second, Obama did NOT attend any "meetings". AAMOF, when Ayers was doing his anti-Viet Nam protest, Obama was 8 - yes, that's EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!!

                                  Give it up. You're all reaching, & it makes you look more stupid than Palin looked in the debate - no facts, just "Maverick" lies & winks.

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                                Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                Karlyc,

                                You want to talk about the associations of the candidates? How about taking a look at McCain's associations? These are not casual contacts on the board of an organization; these are his own actions with those associates:

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY

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                                  MJ4bama1 year, 2 months ago

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                                  This Obama, Ayers talk is just an act of desporation by the Mccain Palin campagn.
                                  this country is going down financialy and you republicans don't have nothing to talk about but send your attact dog Sarah Palin to talk about Bill Ayers.
                                  That's Shameful.

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                                  ADAGUY1 year, 2 months ago

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                                  Wouldn't you rather discuss something more important?

                                  http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/lets-not...

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                                    darlingfall71 year, 2 months ago

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                                    I know .....I dont see how you people could think this is ok.......He shouldnt even be running!!!!! This is the 5th bad person they have connected Obama too.....you cant tell me that they are ALL wrong.......get a grip people....were losing our country

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                                    Tammy241 year, 2 months ago

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                                    Obama may not have been the one to step on the flag but he is the one that was refusing to wear a flag of the United States on his lapel and he was the one that refused to place his hand over his heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag. I believe that no one should be allowed to serve any kind of political office unless they have served in some kind of military branch for the United States of America.

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                                      Dionys1 year, 2 months ago

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                                      More lies.

                                      Besides -- What about all the armchair soldiers, NASCAR fans and drunken idiots that wear torn up, cut up bits of flags as clothing (such as shirts, 'flag' hats, et cetera)? Just as offensive in my book.

                                      As for believing that no one should be allowed to serve in Political office unless they've served in the military -- ridiculous. Bush supposedly served in the Military and look where he got us. I served in the military and the majority of people below, say, E-7 are idiots. Wonderful, beautiful people, but not someone I'd want running anything.

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                                        Blackacereturn1 year, 2 months ago

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                                        If I were Obama adviser I would tell him to let them talk about this you keep telling the American people how you are going to fix the economy and help them to get back on their feet after what the Republicans did to them!

                                        Be dismissive of their behavior, keep hammering them with this, they are harping on things we all know are inconsequential to your well being, and things that have been proven to be non issues, they are doing this because they have nothing to offer that is substantiative, nothing to offer to fix the economy or Iraq...nothing to offer when it comes to the state of our beloved nation so they revert to name calling and lies!.

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                                          Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                          Judging by the ads and news clips I've seen so far, he seems to have taken your advice.

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                                        HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                        That's it?? It has come down to the wearing of flag pins. You do realize tammy24 that McCain didn't wear a flag pin during his acceptance speech or during the first debate, so it is kind of a ridiculous reason to consider ones qualifications. Our forefathers made it a point to put separation between the militias and government. Restricting political office only to ex-military is getting a little to close to "junta" style government.

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                                          WETelevision1 year, 2 months ago

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                                          it is my belief that the people saying that serving OUR country in the military is not a prerequisite for office are the same ones that do not have the heart or courage to defend the USA against all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't think that it should be mandatory but it should certainly be a major consideration. I believe these are the same people that do not serve in the peace corps or any other organization that helps defend our country in the eyes of the world and show them that not all we do is fight to defend our country. We also will help to defend their country if we are needed. Ask a Kuwaiti citizen how they feel about our help. Most of them have never been outside of the borders of their states let alone our country to see the good that we do in the world. hey are the ones that will sit at home and believe that everything the press prints is true. I wonder if the term YELLOW PRESS rings a bell with them? Just be ready to defend our country and your family when the extremists begin fighting the Jihad here. It won't be pretty and you will have to get out of your SUV and show some backbone.

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                                            HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                            Wondering if they will have a job next month is what really scares people, not terrorists taking over the country.

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                                          Gartg1 year, 2 months ago

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                                          Well then Tammy, I guess the two greatest presidents ever, Abraham Lincoln and FDR (both without military service) would
                                          not qualify in your misguided opinion.

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                                            sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago

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                                            You get props for naming the greatest...but one slight error on Lincoln. Lincoln served in a minor role during the Black Hawk War. I don't remember if it was a state militia or no, but it still qualifies as military service. Ol' Lincoln was a man for his times, and a man in his time. He advised against a war with Mexico because he didn't feel we had any "...truck with greasers". Lol! Please excuse the bluntly incorrect language, they were Lincoln's words, reflecting the idiom of the times. Lincoln had flaws. All of my heroes do...and that's what makes them so special.
                                            They exceed their limitations.

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                                            Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                            Tammy24: "he is the one that was refusing to wear a flag of the United States on his lapel and he was the one that refused to place his hand over his heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag."

                                            There is a difference between not doing something and refusing to do something. Did/do all the other candidates wear a flag pin all the time? I bet I can find all kinds of pictures of McCain without a flag pin. As far as the pledge of allegiance goes, take a look at the two videos at the bottom of the page at this link, and put your mind at rest. He does, indeed, put his hand over his heart during its recital.

                                            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

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                                            4thchance1 year, 2 months ago

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                                            you are who you hang out with!

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                                              Blackacereturn1 year, 2 months ago

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                                              4th that's crap. I can show you five brothers that were raised by the same mom and dad and 3 of them went on to be the best they can be and, 2 are just scum. I have friends that went to jail and have done things that I cant speak of and, I went to school and got a degree in environmental engineering, I AM NOT MY FRIENDS. I am still friends with them some of them today! Obama and this bill person were and are not friends. You would have had to slink out from under some rock to believe otherwise.

                                              Mr. Obama is remarkable in this way, he seem to have been the exception when it comes to corruption.

                                              To come out of Chicago politics with the worse thing being he may have bought some land for less than it was worth is an accomplishment to me that is worth NOTING

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                                                Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                4thchance: "you are who you hang out with!"

                                                Then everybody in the Senate and Congress is doomed because they tend to hang out with each other. Do I remember correctly that there were a number of scandals involving some of them? Pedophile seems to ring a bell. Keating five?

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                                                DEM4MCCAIN1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                YOU OBAMA NUT'S WOULD LET HIM **** IN YOUR FACE AND TELL YOU IT'S RAIN AND YOU WOULD BLINDLY GO ON THINKING JUST THAT BECAUSE THE GREAT ONE SAID IT.. THIS MAN IS PURE EVIL BUT YOUR SO TAKEN WITH ALL HIS B.S. YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COME'S OUT THIS NASTY MOUTH..

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                                                  Blackacereturn1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                  pure evil? Why because he is winning?

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                                                    fsev411 year, 2 months ago

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                                                    And I suppose you would claim your mouth is not nasty?

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                                                      Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                      DEM4MCCAIN: "THIS MAN IS PURE EVIL"

                                                      Would you care to share with us how you've come to that conclusion?

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                                                        Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                        DEM4MCCAIN, i am sure your use of caps and eloquent speech has convinced half the people with IQ's under 65, however, to anyone with a slight intellect your message is lost.

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                                                        Blackacereturn1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                        Over 400 senators were in the same congress as that senator that molested his mail page...I guess they are all child molester now. How this worked in the pass is beyond me. How people listen to this drivel and said yes the GOPers are the ones for this country is just hard to understand.

                                                        Juts commonsense will tell ya that Obama isn't in any way connected to any radical groups. Thinking people knows that if Obama were to do anything of that sort he would be dead in the blink of an eye and so does Obama. I don't think giving the white population a reason to kill him is big on his agenda! It's not like he is hiding in the mountain with OSBL

                                                        Again this is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

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                                                          Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago

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                                                          Here's some more of Obama friends.

                                                          http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/complete...

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                                                            Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                            That video is a pile of BS.

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                                                            GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                            It isn't Ayers past. It's what the schools were teaching that Obama did have direct connections with. It has been reported that Ayers feels the curriculum was a continuation of his radical bomber days. Research what that was all about and you'll see why this is a problem.

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                                                              Candida1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                              What were they teaching, and what was Obama's role in setting the curriculum?

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                                                                GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                Obama, as I understand it, didn't set the curriculum, but was instrumental in approving the funding. I wish I had linked the article at the time,I can't find it, yet, to review it again to be sure I was accurate. I'll be more careful in the future. What I remember that struck me was that they observed UN holidays in place of traditional American holidays, and that they did not improve the education of the students.

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                                                              Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                              Listen to all the liberals try to make this issue go away. Lie about it diminish it. etc.

                                                              He was friends with the man and had his support for getting started in politics. He went to his house on more than one occasion. He co chaired the Annenburg Challenge along with serving on other organizations with him. And people want to think that a person as well known in Chicago no one would told Obama who he was and what he did. And you try to tout Obama as so smart but he didn't know who and what Ayres was.

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                                                              winnie471 year, 2 months ago

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                                                              McCain/Palin had better tread lightly when digging into Obama’s past , looking for dirt. Especially since they both have quite an assortment of skeletons of their own that could be shown the light of day such as: McCain’s support of KKK wizard David Duke, his refusal to support Nelson Mandela when he was imprisoned during apartheid, his ties to the Bronfman/Lansky crime syndicate in Arizona, Keating 5, Jack Abramhoff associates working as his fundraisers, his anger management problem, his compulsive gambling problem, his hidden health problems, his wife’s drug addiction and drug theft, her father’s jail time for breaking liquor laws, Palin’s Troopergate cover-up, her affair, her husbands ties to the Alaskan Independence Party, her knocked up teenage daughter, her exorcism by a witch doctor, BOTH of their nutjob preachers……get the idea? People who live in 7 glass houses (or a glass igloo) shouldn’t throw stones!
                                                              — winnie47

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                                                              nikkibabe1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                              How is this going to help Americans struggling with losing jobs, losing homes, credit card debt, out of control gas and food prices and unaffordable college cost for their kids?

                                                              How will it help others who just last week lost their life savings?

                                                              Whatever Ayers did as a radical, it was the time when Obama was still wearing his diapers!

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                                                                Freedom541 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                OBAMA WAS NOT WEARING DIAPERS IN 2001. HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS FAILURE TO CUT TIES WITH THIS GROUP.

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                                                                  HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                  And exactly what kind of 'ties' are you referring too. The' Weathermen" are long gone. They only exist in history books. Obama has repeatedly denounced their past history. You make it sound as though they are still active and Obama is meeting secretly with them plotting bombings. Pathetic smear campaign. I guess right wingers think that if it worked with Kerry it just might work with Obama.

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                                                                    coolhead1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                    When you apply for any federal job, there is obligatory background check. Obama could not become a cop.

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                                                                      HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                      McCain has associated with a convicted felon (Keating), would he pass???

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                                                                        Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                        ROTFLMAO
                                                                        I love it. I get to tell the story again.

                                                                        Keating 5
                                                                        4 Democrats
                                                                        1 Republican

                                                                        John Glen and John McCain were exonerated of all wrongdoing in that affair.

                                                                        The other three Democrats were found guilty of ethics violations and given the wors censure by the ethics committee. Those three never served again after their term was up.

                                                                        Three bad boy Democrats. I love this.

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                                                                          HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                          Why was McCain even involved in the investigation at all??? Five senators were at the meeting that was called to back off federal regulators from looking at Lincoln Savings. McCain was one of them because Keating asked him to be there because of their close ties. During the investigation the independent counsel gave someone a free pass for ratting out the other four. In order to make it look otherwise he threw in Glen as well on the free pass. Guess who the rat was Endo.

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                                                                TheAttacks1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                I managed to mustered a "So what?" after reading that.

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                                                                  lfergie8121 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                  I must confess. I was in a bank once while it was being robbed by someone I recognized so I guess that makes me a bank robber's pal. ROFLMAO
                                                                  So what indeed. Just because you know someone does not mean you carry the same views.

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                                                                  mr30061 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                  ALL the politicians need term limits. ALL. Two terms Senate, three term congress and then GET OUT! Kennedy has been a waste of good air I might need. Schumer from NY. Byrd from WV Many others need to go. They cannot understand the day to day problems of the average guy because they CAN pay all their bills, they have enough money for food, they can get unlimited health care, they WILL have a retirement after ONE term! How about that!! So really, all of them need to go and we need someone else to be voted in. But until people start to read the newspapers, watch all the news, learn history and why we need to keep our freedoms (ALL of them) we will never get anything done in the USA. The time would be right for an Adolph Hitler type person to come out and any great speaker could stir up the country. We need change but not Obama and McCain is not much better. I'll vote for McCain and hope a new person comes up in the next 4 years. (Buy ammunition while you still can)

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                                                                    femalto1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                    They don't need limits...they need to be voted out. If we as citizens were doing our job, we wouldn't have this mess. But, everyone wants to keep his/her legislature and not be responsible for what transpires.

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                                                                      willottica1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                      Sorry, you say "Two terms and then GET OUT", and yet you'll still vote for McCain, who has long since overstayed his welcome?

                                                                      That doesn't make sense. Why not vote for someone else if you don't like McCain or Obama. There are TWELVE or THIRTEEN names on the ballot.

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                                                                      mr30061 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                      Ayers should have been shot trying to run from the police. Obama will not Pledge Allegiance to the flag and he wants to be president? Explain that one!

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                                                                        HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                        Where in the hell did you read that Obama refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag??? Is it a coincidence that the more McSame falls behind in the polls the more posts like yours start popping up on boards??

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                                                                        stonerrick4121 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                        I support Barack Obama...I also support the Weather Underground...WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS BASED BECAUSE THE FOUNDING FATHERS FELT THE NEED FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OVERTHROW CORRUPT GOVERNMENT...THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TERRORISTS WHO ENACTED FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS (BOSTON TEA PARTY) AND ACTS OF TERRORISM (TARRING AND FEATHERING TAX COLLECTORS)...SINCE THEY PREVAILED "TERRORIST" IS NOW "PATRIOT" AND "TERRORISM" IS NOW "PATRIOTISM" OR "NATIONALISM"...WHO KNOWS HOW WE WOULD VIEW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IF IT HAD BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL...READ A ******* BOOK FOR CHRIST SAKE...PALIN IS WHAT AMERICA FEARS...BIBLE BUMPING END OF DAYS GIBBERISH...SHE WANTS THE WORLD TO END AND WILL DO ANYTHING IN HER POWER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN

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                                                                          Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                          stone

                                                                          You're a sicko terrorist then aren't you?

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                                                                            ADAGUY1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                            NO!
                                                                            He's just smart enough to see past the end of his nose!
                                                                            You should try it!

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                                                                            jcmcamis1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                            Speaking of gibberish, that wasn't half bad stonerrick412. Were you stoned when you wrote it? I guess if you agree with ACORN and the other groups that Obama has allied with, this all sounds like a bunch of garbage. But to those of us who don't agree with communists or socialists, and who see this country going down the toilet because of people like Ayers and Alinsky, we are very much alarmed by the possibility that he could be elected as President of the United States. I don't need to use scare tactics as Obama has already made it clear by his actions what he believes in ... a permanent working class, re-institution of the draft, government political officers, radical intimidation techniques, and income redistribution via the tax system. I didn't say those things, he did. If you think the Patriot Act was bad, just wait and see what he comes up with.

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                                                                              HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                              You have got to be kidding me!!! Did I just hear a right winger use the words.."I don't need to use scare tactics..." These cons are absolutely unbelievable!! LMAO!!

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                                                                            ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                            Has anyone ever explained the context of the picture, particularly Ayers?

                                                                            When you look at it, it's hard to simply say that Ayers is "standing on the flag", because you cannot see his feet.

                                                                            Standing on something generally means you are standing on top of something, right?

                                                                            Maybe "standing on" is the new "freedom fries" in the Con Culture of Lies of Incompetence.

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                                                                              4thchance1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                              Today Obama is claiming he didn't know that Bill Ayers was involved with domestic terrorism...You bet, and I didn't know that cars ran on gasoline either. I'll tell ya, the cover-up lies are really starting to pile up from that Obama guy. No one believes a word he says anymore... Pure Democrat SPEWAGE.

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                                                                                willottica1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                Did you do background checks on all your college professors and/or employers? Did you dig deep and way back to things they did when you were still in grade school?

                                                                                Ayers hasn't been involved in domestic terrorism for over 30 years! (If the weathermen ever were terrorists, the NYTimes article that I read from a link posted by WOLFIE explained that they made sure that no civilians were hurt by their bombs. The definition of terrorism I've read is a group that specifically targets and kills innocent civilians - by that definition the Weathermen were never terrorists.)

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                                                                                  sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                  willotica...In the United States of the twenty-first century, anyone can be a terrorist. We have primarily two kinds:
                                                                                  Domestic , a sweet sunny bouquet with a hint of incense.
                                                                                  and Imported, very dry, burnt sienna yet unmistakably fruity!

                                                                                  One of the cable news stories today was about domestic terrorists targeting our electronic banking infrastructure. See you don't have to threaten people with harm directly...just scare their money. "Firesign Theater" had it right. We ARE all Bozos on this bus!

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                                                                                    GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                    ever were terrorists, the NYTimes article that I read from a link posted by WOLFIE explained that they made sure that no civilians were hurt by their bombs

                                                                                    Not true.
                                                                                    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-...
                                                                                    FTA One of the Weatherman leaders was Bernardine Dohrn, a smart, magnetic figure who, in part because of her penchant for miniskirts and knee-high boots, was dubbed "La Pasionaria of the Lunatic Left" by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. After a bomb exploded accidentally and killed three of their colleagues, Ayers and Dohrn "hooked up," in the parlance of the day, and, since 1982, they have been married. This—violence, death, and white-hot rhetoric—is his past and Ayers insists he has no regrets.

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                                                                                      sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                      Let me get this 'straight'. Did you say J. Edgar Hoover had a penchant for wearing mini skirts and knee high boots?! I always pictured him in evening gown and pearls. La la!!

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                                                                                        GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                        LOL, I've got to get better at making myself clear! No, the article said Ms. Dohrn wore them.

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                                                                                        willottica1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                        Gehl, you say "Not true," and then provide a link to a story with the following:

                                                                                        "The group always emphasized that their targets were property, not people. And, in fact, no one was injured—except, of course, some of the Weatherman's own."

                                                                                        And from your quote, it's all in his past. Thus the condemnation of Obama for his association with Ayers isn't even for who the man is now, but for who he used to be.

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                                                                                          GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                          Even though it was 3 of their own, they died as a result of their bombs. http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Decembe...
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                                                                                          F**k the pigs. That was how they all felt-Brian Flanagan, John Jacobs, Terry Robbins, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Mark Rudd-the most stalwart members of the fledgling militant antiwar group Weatherman. To them, the police were simply tools of the state-brutal, corrupt, oppressive minions who carried out the bidding of a government engaged in an illegal, amoral war. What was worse was that the police had all the power. With their helmets and truncheons and paddy-wagon doors flung open like jaws, they could stand by and intimidate while peaceful marchers cowered. No more. As the winter of 1968 bled into the spring of 1969, a new type of dissident was born, one dedicated to the proposition that violence, not passivity, was the way to change: Weatherman.

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                                                                                      Georgia501 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                      That's interesting. First Obama says he was only 8 at the time Ayers did his detectable acts. Now we find that Obama didn't know Ayers was a terrorist.

                                                                                      What's next? No...let me guess....

                                                                                      "I can no more disown Ayers than I can disown my typical white racist grandmother."

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                                                                                        Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                        Georgia

                                                                                        Then he'll say, "Put him under the bus."

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                                                                                      komenyay1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                      I'll give credit to NObama when he says he was unaware of Bill Ayers' involvement with domestic terrorism; but that credit is bitter-sweet. NObama is either lying, or he's ignorant. Wait!! I just realized that makes him the PERFECT candidate.
                                                                                      McCain/Palin...08.

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                                                                                        willottica1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                        lol. I like your association, and I hope you don't mind if I quote you directly.

                                                                                        "Lying, or [...] ignorant[...] that makes him the PERFECT candidate. McCain/Palin08"

                                                                                        Your description of the perfect candidate matches perfectly who you've chosen to support.

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                                                                                          FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                          So let me get this straight, Willottica....

                                                                                          If I go to KKK meetings, never burn a cross or anything, but just attend the meetings on occasion and hang out with fellow KKK clansmen, then I can run for president and not be scrutinized for my associations?

                                                                                          I just want to make sure I am clear,here.....

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                                                                                        willottica1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                        Don't forget tired and tarred.

                                                                                        Tired of all the crap spewed by Republican politicians during their campaigns.

                                                                                        Tarred (and feathered) by the dittoheads, for supporting someone who hasn't done an about-face on his principles to side with the Bush Administration.

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                                                                                          FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                          not likely....

                                                                                          But keep sniffing glue, gloppy.....

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                                                                                          416Remington1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                          Most of the people who are going to vote have already decided who they will vote for. It seems most of them will be voting for Obama. The Republican party is mostly the rich leading the ignorant. The faithful march blindly along, holding on to the elephant's tail, and wonder where that smell is coming from.

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                                                                                            parkerparker1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                            I have no doubt Obama has leftist socialist views as shown by his associations with Ayers as well as Rev Wright and the ACORN organization. There are just too many questions and Obama does not want to give any answers. Obama has given money to Acorn, Acorns PAC endorses Obama then says they are non-partisan. Obama has rcvd the second largest amount of money from Fannie and Freddie. Fannie/ Freddie give money to ACORN. Franklin Raines who ran Freddie rcvd 90 million in bonuses before leaving and now he is with the Obama campaign. How can anyone not see the problems here? In there zeal to hate Bush, people are willing to trust anyone who talks the talk. Its plain to see that Obama does not walk the walk. You don't have to like it but McCain has walked the walk all his life and does not hide from the truth.

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                                                                                              HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                              "Obama has rcvd the second largest amount of money from Fannie and Freddie"...I didn't know those two agencies issued checks to individuals, I thought they just dealt with mortgages. From what I read they just buy mortgages and resells them on the secondary mortgage market as mortgage securities whose interest and principle are guaranteed against loss. So exactly how did these two agencies hand over money to Obama???

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                                                                                              Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                              Check out another one of Obama's buddies.

                                                                                              http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/complete...

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                                                                                                HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                Since your so fastidious about checking out peoples 'buddies' how is McCaines friend Keating doing???

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                                                                                                Repblcn4Obama1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                I am tired of MCCAIN AND PALIN! They have turned this election into a JOKE! I never thought that I would vote for a DEMOCRAT or an African American, but the tactics the MCCAIN campaign has put out is utterly shameful to my Republican Party. To add insult to injury McCain selects a DUMMY as a running mate!

                                                                                                My friends, family, and I will be voting for Obama/Biden!

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                                                                                                  WOODLYTE1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                  YOU MUST BE DIRTY TO HAVE TO COME CLEAN

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                                                                                                    pjnap1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                    I'll come right out & say I'm a NoBama. Macain is no prize either. But Obama scares me Two many secrets & the thought of Reid & Pelosi running this country scares me to death. The only real hope we have is MaCain & a dem. congress & hope we can hang on for 4 years

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                                                                                                      sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                      Quit eating those little green boogers!
                                                                                                      Bill Ayers is more of a patriot than those that traded our treasure and blood for a comfy condo in Dubai will ever be. By the way, I inspect images for a living, and I see no foot on "Old Glory". What I do see is 'the flag' at Ayers' feet. He has an inscrutable look on his face. He could be thinking: "Hey John, did you drop this?!".
                                                                                                      Wussy wussy wussy...2007 times (at least) you've shone that you have no imagination, and not enough intellect to appreciate one that has. Pity. Mr.3006, how has a flap over a flag pin evolved into the Pledge Of Allegiance? I quit wearing my pin when it got hijacked by the neocons and religious fanatics.
                                                                                                      I keep my yellow ribbon over my windshield, to remind me, not you. I don't need to wear it on my sleeve. Only the Nationalist types need to impress others with the trappings of patriotism. The rest of us can tell without looking.
                                                                                                      Some of you get your panties all knotted up when freedom appears diametrically opposed to the trappings of patriotism, yet, strangely, applaud those that wipe their arses on it every day.

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                                                                                                        mrlecher1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                        How about this FACTUAL headline:

                                                                                                        Sarah Palin publically praises and endorses an organization that publically condemns America, the Alaskan Independence party (AIP).

                                                                                                        How patriotic is that?

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                                                                                                          most_reasonable1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                          Winky and McSame have adopted all of the Bush mannerisms and strategies. Winky can't remember a single magazine she ever read and McSame has lost his "bandage" of Honor and can't find it.
                                                                                                          What a pair.

                                                                                                          You're a total fraud aren't you Winky Palin?

                                                                                                          YOU BETTCHA

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                                                                                                          most_reasonable1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                          Wall Street Journal:
                                                                                                          OCTOBER 6, 2008
                                                                                                          McCain Plans Federal Health Cuts

                                                                                                          Medicare, Medicaid Spending Would Be Reduced to Offset Proposed Tax Credit
                                                                                                          By LAURA MECKLER -- The Wall Street Journal

                                                                                                          John McCain would pay for his health plan with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid, a top aide said, in a move that independent analysts estimate could result in cuts of $1.3 trillion over 10 years to the government programs.

                                                                                                          The Republican presidential nominee has said little about the proposed cuts, but they are needed to keep his health-care plan "budget neutral," as he has promised. The McCain campaign hasn't given a specific figure for the cuts, but didn't dispute the analysts' estimate.

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                                                                                                            sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                            mos-reas. I was telling Hume the other night that they reminded me of Pinky and the Brain...Lol!

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                                                                                                              HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                              There are more than a few posts from the cons trying to belittle Obama's relationship to an organization called ACORN. Not being familiar with this organization I had to see what the fuss was about. What is it about this outfit that has the right wing so upset???...WWW.ACORN.ORG

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                                                                                                                AmericanFighter1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                                Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Now just because has once turned his back to one of his beliefs, and he has a blatant disregard toward the American heritage and to most everything that makes us and American, doesnt not mean that he is wrong for presidency!
                                                                                                                ....... Wait...? Yes! it does! I say he can take his "CHANGE" somewhere else! P.S. We were not born as fair-weather friends and should never even be related to one.

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                                                                                                                  HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                                                                  "Has a blatant disregard toward the American heritage".....how so exactly????

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