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Posted By Klarissa 1 year, 2 months ago in Political NewsBarack Obama has that as a tremendous advantage in this race and recent polls breaking his way show it, but there are some significant factors that could still lead to his undoing.
In the Obama ad I have seen many times this week, he is sitting in a setting very similar to the one Bill Clinton used in 1996. Also like Clinton, he talks directly into the camera and promises tax cuts for the middle class. Will this approach be as effective for Obama as it was for Clinton?
Those on the left can neither credibly argue that a far left agenda would not prevail in an Obama administration. Barack Obama’s voting record is Exhibit One that is exactly what voters should expect. . . .
Additional clues to the leftist paradise that might exist under Obama can be seen in the thuggish attempts to silence his critics, whether it be his goons trying to shut down talk radio interviews or his operatives in state offices who are threatening to sue anyone who makes claims about Obama they deem false.
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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If you are a Christian ...
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... and you vote for John McCain ...
... you may as well just say ...
"I don't care about a politician's morals ...
even if he's a proven adulterer ...
even if he abandoned his children ...
even if he had a history of covering up Bank Fraud ...
even if he believed in Welfare for the Wealthiest Americans ...
I don't care ... because my Christian Morals don't mean anything when it comes to real life."
And my fellow Christian Conservatives continue to sully Christianity with Morally Vacant political allegiances.
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beavith11 year, 2 months ago
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unCleare:
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"let himself get slimed"
what does that mean?
Goppy:
ask yourself what Os motives are? ask O if he's been party to bank fraud (qv Fannie andFreddie)? ask O if he foments class warfare at eh expense of his country?
do you care? evidently not.
O is not ready to lead. he's an empty vessel that you pour your hopes and dreams into...
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Bucotch1 year, 2 months ago
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Why is Obama hiding his past? Why is his college thesis off limits? All records of who his friend were, what his grades were. Who got him into Harverd? He's got a butt load off stuff he's trying to hide. It will come out, though I hope in time for the election. Everyone he was connected with in his past are scary. He is well taught, but taught to do what? Remember
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the people responsible for 9/11 were schooled right here. What better place. The White House and Presidency of the United States would be the Ultimate 9/11
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 2 months ago
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"present national decline" i.e. the subprime mortgage crisis and the $700 billion bailout voted in by the majority democratic congress. More and more it is coming out that was caused by liberal democrats including Obama himself in his short career. ACORN (Obama was involved big time) and pressure by similar groups and the Dems in Congress pushed Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other lenders to issue huge amounts of risky loans. This problem is the biggest problem of our time. I don't see Obama as understanding the reason for this problem or seeing any implication on the part of his fellow liberal Dems (Frank, Schumer, Dodd et al and his own).
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But who listens to this? The majority of the voters haven't a clue, including you. It would be wise to consider the above before you vote.-
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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"More and more it is coming out that was caused by liberal democrats including Obama himself"
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Yeah.. and they caught GWB with his pants down, twisted both arms behind his back and threatened to castrate him if he didn't do their bidding.
Were you raised on Zap comics?
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Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago
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FTA
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Those on the left will say it is fear mongering, even though for years they have warned of the extreme right wing and the fascist dictator state that America would become under Republican governance. They can’t do that with John McCain, who has so often been in opposition to conservatives. Since he would almost certainly have a Congress controlled by Democrats, any attempt to scare Americans with a rightwing fascist state is absurd. -
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dandt16121 year, 2 months ago
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This election year really SUCKS. The media can't push Obama down our throats fast enough, and the media won't report on anything good McCain does.
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It's REALLY sad when a person can only think about just not voting this time around and hope for better candidates next time around.
I would love to see Obama fall flat on he's face because I think he is a wolf in sheep's clothing and don't trust him AT ALL.
As for McCain, I respect him but, I really don't see him as President, there is just something about him that seems off to me.
Like I said before this election year REALLY SUCKS!!-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 2 months ago
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I wrote a post in January as the primaries were just starting stating that of all the candidates on the Democrat side and Republican side, I did not see any one that was electable come November. Now that the field has been narrowed to two, I still stand by my statement. With all his baggage I can't see how Obama can win. With the economy as it is, and since the nation seldom elects the same party for President 3 terms in a row, I can't see how McCain can win.
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But we do know that come November 5 one of these two will do the impossible and will be the President-Elect. I repeat a challenge I made before that went unanswered. I will be voting for McCain. But if Obama wins, I will call him my President. Question for Obama supporters in Propeller: If McCain wins, will you call him your President?-
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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"If McCain wins, will you call him your President?"
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No because he won't be but I would find him less unpalatable than the current incumbent or Richard Nixon both of whom merit[ed] cremation and unmarked graves.
The worst aspect of McCain is that according to the medical prognoses that I've been reading he is unlikely to survive 4 years - and the stress of being a President hardly seems like a life-belt! And that would mean the foul emanation from the northlands at which point the US would cease to be taken seriously anywhere in the world.
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 2 months ago
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If Obama becomes President he will sit in the oval office and wonder what to do about every crisis that comes up. His advisors will include Biden and other liberals who he will listen to and act accordingly. With Congress being on his side it is scary what will happen as a result. There's a good chance that if we slide into a depression, it will continue as long as he's in office. It will happen on his watch and therefore will be his fault. Remember Hoover who took office 10 months before the crash of 1929? He was forever credited with causing the great depression. In Obama's case he already has been involved in the great financial crisis of 2008.
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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Interesting take.
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Given your 'out of the loop' interpretation ... let's imagine what Johnny McCain will do once in the Oval Office ...
With every passing crisis ... this 'doddering old fool' ... as OmegaTomato frequently called him ... will react EXACTLY the SAME as George W. Bush!!
Why would anyone think otherwise?
We've seen him vote in accordance with GeeDubs wishes 90% over the past 8 years!
Only a fool would think anything will change under Johnny Shapeshifter!
Maverick? ... Try Amoral Hot-Head ... follower of whatever GW says or does.
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Worst of all ... this fellow will INCREASE and EXPAND the GW policy of Foreign Invasion! He's already stated on numerous occasions that he's quite willing to stay and fight in Iraq for 100 years!!
This is not spin.
He has said he would be OKAY staying in Iraq for 100 years.
This guy ... if elected ... will certainly lead our nation into unprecedented decline.
If you care about America ... if you have ANY patriotic feelings for our flag ... PLEASE ... do not vote for this 'doddering old fool' ... as even redtomato has called him ... (when that member posted as AlphaGnosis.)
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4thchance1 year, 2 months ago
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The TRUTH...We don't know Obama very well do we, he's new on the scene, he has no real time spent record to look at. Over the last few years, Obama has associated and aligned himself with some very bad and corrupt people. He buddies around with a well known domestic terrorist. "William Aires", Obama launched his political career from the livening room of that well know domestic terrorist, William Aires! Aires and friends tried to bomb the Pentagon and launch an attack on the American Government, in an attempt to over throw our government! That right there in it's self is plenty enough for me NOT to vote for Osama Obama. How do we know for sure that Osama Obama isn't some kind of terrorist himself. Afterall, you are who you hang out with. So, we don't know for sure do we, no we don't!
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So hey, I've got a great idea!
Lets run Osama Obama for president of the United States of America. He's the perfect choice!
I'M SORRY,
AMERICA IS CURRENTLY ON FULL TILT AND TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER. Please check back later...... If there's anything left to check back to, that is!
It appears that mass insanity is setting in, can our country survive it? I suppose time will tell....I'm not holding my breath, I'll tell you that!-
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simonsez1 year, 2 months ago
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I agree 4thchance. We're in a hysteria that will destroy us from the inside.
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We can deal with setbacks ... we always have. But this is a systemic disruption that will ultimately result in a mediocre society dependent on government.
Wealth will be leaving this country and leaving the rest of us with much less to work with.-
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simonsez1 year, 2 months ago
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You don't understand the nature of capital accumulation and how it effects everyone who participates.
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We're moving in a direction of punishing capital building, which slows growth of new businesses and jobs.
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willottica1 year, 2 months ago
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Money doesn't have legs... so it's people who would have to move that money. Republicans have such low esteem for their fellow men, or perhaps such greed in themselves, that they can't fathom businesses staying in America because their American. They refuse to believe that American business owners could have any reason other than profit for staying in the country they love.
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If these business owners are so unpatriotic, why bother with them? Why not just let them up and leave, and replace them with businesses that care for America and the American people?-
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willottica1 year, 2 months ago
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When you keep the value of your currency artificially high (or other countries do), then you make it impossible for your businesses to compete in a world economy.
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It's not taxes that make businesses non-competitive, it's cost of labor. A shoemaker operating out of China making the same quality of shoes as a shoemaker operating in the US should have their product much more expensive than the shoes made in the US (because you have to add shipping costs across the ocean). But the Yuan is so devalued against the USD that the labour is pennies on the dollar, therefore even after adding the cost of shipping, the chinese shoes are cheaper. Why would anyone make shoes in the US? Why would anyone BUY US-made shoes?
I don't really think you're naive enough to think that it's taxes that make business cheaper in China, are you?
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cleare1 year, 2 months ago
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capital built on perception... not actual value of goods, hardware, software, financials , investments in r & d, and workforce talent.
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anytime anyone suggests a real welfare reform by asking business to step up and pay their fair share of the economy they benefit most from, we're suddenly accused of "punishing capital building".
capital building can just as easily, and much more fairly, be accomplished by distributing wealth via living wages to the american worker, who will then buy more goods and services and save money, which...guess what??? Acts as capital investment.
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Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago
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If Obama is elected it's a given he'll destroy the United States as we know it. After four years of devastation maybe the patriots of this country can put it back together again. After all the only place we can go, after we reach bottom with an Obama Presidency, will be up.
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually Mr Obama is ready to give you a hand out of the swamp right now, to manually pump the swamp water out of your lungs and even to pay for your new spectacles - rose-tinted if you like.
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You just have to promise to go to hyperbole remedial training for the next 4 yours in order to make a complete recovery. -
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4thchance1 year, 2 months ago
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head here, for us to get it right. "After four years of devastation maybe the patriots of this country can put it back together again."
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Perhaps the country needs to be torn apart and then put back together again. Only this time we will need to get rid of all the corruption we face. That's the root to our failure. It's not us the people, it's the GREEDY PRICKS at the top who are going to ruin us. They don't care if this country fails. Heck, they have millions and billions of stolen money to live on!
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cleare1 year, 2 months ago
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i'm hoping the conservatives on this thread who are worrying that obama is too liberal are right. i'm hoping he's a true populist progressive and that finally after 28 years of moderate to right leadership, we'll finally get someplace that more closely resembles an even playing field for all americans...starting with education and ending with secure retirement.
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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Indeed! Just having the US be a normal country again will be quite satisfactory enough for the rest of the world. Civilised, educated and verbally coherent would be a marvellous standard as a starting base for all, rather than being the purview of a fractional priveleged elite.
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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My pleasure, entirely Cleare!
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Regarding Shrub minor's Yale report: It would be easier to judge his aptitude, learning and skills had be attended more frequently and on those rare visits that he paid to class if he had been sober enough to answer questions comprehensibly.
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Wolfie20071 year, 2 months ago
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There is no way any of that can happen following Obama's policies and it won't be an even playing field. I guess you're too young to remember the administration of Jimmy Carter. You might call his administration an even playing field everything because everything just went flat.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Right, Wolfie!
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Cleare is obviously too young to remember the horror and blood of the Carter years;
the emaciated figures of former millionaires trudging their belongings in grocery carts; the long lines to get gas and 'billie' beer. And oh god, the disco music !
The present state of America; the idiocies we have endured these last 8 years, in comparison with the Carter years, - if I had a time machine I could make a fortune selling one-way tickets to 1976.
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4thchance1 year, 2 months ago
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People are being brained washed by the left wing media, that being about 90% of our media. I think most Americans don't pay close enough attention or don't understand as to what's really going on. They simply tune into CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC NBC etc... news stations for their information. Basically the media is going to be who elects our next president. The media has gone insane with their bias, one sided reporting and lying to the public. The media is totally in the tank for Obama. The media is hell bent on trashing Palin and McCain into the dirt....just think how the polls would look right now, if the shoe were on the other foot. Instead, the media is in the tank for McCain and Palin and out to hang Obama. Then how would the polls look! See my point here, the media has control over all this.
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agoodlibertian1 year, 2 months ago
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I agree with the brainwashing but it is the republicans who are 100% brainwashed to the point of retardation. Almost all republicans believe in religion. The concept of a god or some deity is ridicious, but almost all republicans believe in this fairy tale. If you believe in one fairy tale you can be brainwashed into believing in another like the reasons for the Iraq war it was all lies and fairy tales but all of you republicans you fell for it. The media is not left wing, some is, some is right wing. If the media were truly left wing as you state, Mccain would not have been the republican candidate with all of his gaffes and lies. Obama should be way ahead but due to republican right wing media, the race is close.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 2 months ago
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Amen.
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It probably wouldn't have been too bad, if the republicans did have their brains washed. Just a quick power wash, to get rid of all that excess fecal matter.
The problem arose when they put those newly washed brains into a hot drier and shrunk them all to the size of a gnat's penis.
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pjnap1 year, 2 months ago
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The media is going to be the down fall of Obama. I hear people talking all the time about the media trying to shove Obama down there throat & there going to rebel. Maybe G,E.'s problem isn,t all financial it could be NBC& associates
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4thchance1 year, 2 months ago
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I have to disagree with you. I say Osama Obama's voting base is made up of brain washed blind idiot fools, who are being led around by the left wing media. Like I said. How would things look for Obama if the media all ganged up on Obama and trashed his ass into the dirt. Like they are doing to MCain and Palin. How would things look for Osama Obama if the media were in the tank for McCain and Palin. Yes, it would be a complete different deal then, don't ya think? I guarantee if that were the case, then McCain would be ahead in the polls by double digits. It would be like 80% for McCain, 10% Osama Obama and 10% undecided.
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willottica1 year, 2 months ago
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How would this country look if people stopped using slurs to try to make their points?
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What is your obsession with the similarity between the names Osama and Obama?
Seriously, eight-year-olds play the name game and I thought it was supposed to get old after that.
The media should stick to doing comparisons of the two platforms (or the 12 platforms, for that matter, but heaven forbid anyone acknowledge it's not a 2-man race), and leave all the character defamation crap out.
You buy, hook line and sinker, all the vile refuse spewed forth by Limbaugh, yet continue to insist that the mainstream media is biased? Bias is pre-determined opinion. Are you sure that the MSM didn't take an objective look at both candidates and come to the realization that Obama is just, by far, the better choice? What would be the reason for a media BIAS in Obama's favor? Does he wine and dine them like McCain does at his famous bbqs?-
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agoodlibertian1 year, 2 months ago
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It is just as easy to say that the right is made up of right wing idiots and they are.
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You people have been so brainwashed you are like black holes. You are so brainwashed that even common sense can not escape from your brainwashed minds. If the media were truly non biased Obama would be ahead by 20-25%,
The republicans have all but destroyed this country and this country cannot stand another minute let alone 4 more years of destructive republican leaders, it cannot. We are seeing the results of republican ruling with the credit crisis, high gas prices inflation rising, unemployment rising, 4 more years of republicans, there will be no more America left. -
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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4thchance did a little song:
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Osama Obama , banana ana obama etc, and then implied McCain's loss is because of media bias.
That doesn't explain 2000, or 2004; was the press in the tank with Bush then?
And we might ask: who rules the talk radio waves? The cons.
Who has the largest viewing audience on News TV? Fox.
Who is the single most powerful publisher in the US? Murdock.
We might also list all the issues Obama was harrassed about;
his middle name, his preacher, his wife, his putting cosmetics on livestock...
It doesn't look like 4rthchance's guarantee was accurate.
How many chances does someone need anyway?
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amervtrn1 year, 2 months ago
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In about a year and a half, when the housing market is at 50 percent, and DOW has stabilized at between 7800 and 8000, it will be the bottom. Then it will be safe to go back. Until then it is a Day trader's market. Gambler's paradise. The bailout is just a waste of resources. In fact it will compound the problem. Much like the physicians of old who would bleed the patient, to give the appearance of action. The Scam Bailout is an action to give the appearance of care and concern, but will in truth deplete needed resources for healing and extend the time required for recovery.
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joeblowe1 year, 2 months ago
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The difference is: SOMETIMES - not often, but sometimes, bleeding the patient actually HELPS. There are some few diseases where reducing the patients blood volume DOES help. ANd, stimulates the marrow to produce NEW cells. This Wall Street Bial Out and The Kitchen Sink bill will not likely help ANYONE - except those people that the Kitchen Sink provisions address. With such fine, fine, items as reducing the duty on children's wooden arrows, and refunding the import duty on rum made in places that the U.S. OWNS, and shouldn't be subjected to "import" duty in the FIRST PLACE!
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lloydm651 year, 2 months ago
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If your are a christian,and you vote for Obama You may not be a christian very long.He said he would remain an American,unless things went wrong,then he would go with the Muslims.You see christians in a Muslim world,is in as much trouble as a baby in a democrat world,one or the other of them must die.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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lloydm65 says of Obama "He said he would remain an American,unless things went wrong,then he would go with the Muslims."
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And there we have it, in the proverbial nutshell.
Lunacy and lies.
But not enough to trump the truth.
Obama will win this election, because of an insuficiancy of nutcases in the US.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Everyone is an idiot.
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But sometimes it is nice to get together with other idiots, and talk about who made us idiots, and why, and what should we do about it.
I was for suing;
but the when the others agreed I dropped the idea,
since they were a bunch of idiots.
You are a good libertian, agoodlibertian ;
but you too are an idiot.
Welcome to the congregation!
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