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reidgator1 year, 1 month ago
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wtagg,
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Your post is one of the most intelligent ones I have read in a while! You ask some good questions! Will do my best to answer:
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(1) "How exactly has Bush restored credibility as far a foreign policy goes?"
He hasn't. And I do not want him to. When I look at the rest of the "western world", I really do not care about their respect for us. They do not have mine, that's for sure. "In an insane world, the sane man will appear insane!"
(2) "why are we scurrying around like idiots whenever someone brings a q-tip or water bottle on an airplane?"
Good point. But, that is OUR fault. We place WAY, WAY TOO MUCH blame on the office of president. The people will never forgive Bush if another hijacking occurs.
A few points to bolster my position:
a) Bush has been blamed by many, especially the liberal environmentalists, for the rejection of the Kyoto Treaty. The problem is this: the US SENATE approves treaties. And the US SENATE rejected the Kyoto treaty 98-0!
That's right. Every senator that voted (R or D) rejected the treaty. So, why does Bush get blamed for it?
b) The current mortgage crisis: this is a world-wide problem. Do we blame Bush for the struggles in Germany and Belgium? And the root cause of this problem dates back into the Clinton administration. (and the Republican Congress)
c) Even Jack Krugman (columnist for the NYT) admits that the recession Bush inherited in 2001 was not his fault. Then, along came 9/11 and the obvious economic impact, and we want to blame Bush. Manufacturing jobs have been going overseas for 20 years. Perot warned us in 1992. So, why do we blame Bush?
(3) "Our current effort outside this country has been horrible."
The results have been less than desired, but, why have our efforts been horrible? 4000 dead? We lost more than that in one day EACH on Normandy, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima. Were those efforts "horrible"?
Iraqis can now vote. Schools & hospitals are being built. Yes, Iraq has suffered much. But, ask them, would they rather go back to the way things were in 2002?-
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Jaydee401 year, 1 month ago
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1 Thats the American way right? The US economy screwed and the US military combat ineffective but who needs friend or allies? New flash sparky the US needs us more than we need you, look at what you import vrs what you export.
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2 Many people blame the shrub for 9/11 and there is much support there for that, many documents point right to the intelligence community and white house for having full knowledge prior to 9/11. All bush has done is to lie and cover up so why the impression he has done anything? America is weaker at home than anytime in it's history, if someone wanted to spread terror in US cities it would be happening. but clearly that is not the case.
As to the mortgage "crisis" it is not the world wide problem you put forward, it only happened in countries that don't have regulations letting lenders make up their own rules up in sub prime mortgages.
Why blame the shrub for jobs going overseas? How about it's the governments job to keep the country strong financially and competitive in the world market. Since the Underachieving shrub took office the US dollar has lost almost fifty percent of it's worth, that means a company once worth 600 million US is now only worth 300 US while most companies from other counties that had the opposite happen, ones that were once worth 300 million are now worth 600 million US. The average lifestyle around the world has soared all over the world but within the US as a result of this. People in countries all over the world now have disposable income like never before and are traveling and spending while Americans are doing without in greater numbers all thanks to the global shift in wealth since the shrub took office.
3 Clearly you have not lost a child as one of those 4000, if you had you would not have made such callous remarks and don't dare to compare Normandy or Okinawa with the Crimes of Iraq or Afghanistan,-
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reidgator1 year, 1 month ago
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(1) The fact that we import more than export is evidence that YOU need us more than we need you. YOUR lousy economies would not survive without our purchases. We proved during WW2 to have the most powerful manufacturing base in the world. Do we still have that? Nah, but, we can regain it. And the liberals deserve most of the blame for us losing it.
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(2) You’re a liar. No evidence that Bush & Co has “full knowledge” of the attacks. They were warned by Clinton’s administration that something was pending, that the threat was real, but, details of what, where, and when were nonexistent! Just what do you suggest Bush should have done to prevent the attacks?
Technically, you are correct. The world-wide problem involves economies in general. The mortgage crisis is limited to “western countries”. BTW – if we need you, then, why does our economic slump affect YOURS?
Regarding lax regulations, the Republicans (and McCain) expressed concern about Fannie Mae, etc and attempted to tighten the rules. Democrats said NO!
You wrote: “How about it's the governments job to keep the country strong financially and competitive in the world market”
Do not disagree, but, I repose the question, “Why blame Bush?”
a) Jobs have been going overseas for 20 years. Yet you only want to blame Bush. You have a myopic view of the situation.
b) Bush is not THE government. What about Congress that passes laws and places burdens on American companies making it difficult to compete in a global market? What about local laws and regulations? My company closed a plant, laying off 1400 people (including me) because it could not compete in global economy. Environmental regs were ridiculous. Examples: Our water discharge had to meet standards that were so high, that water coming out of the ground could not meet. We were effectively cleaning up the water. The standards for particulates in the air inside the plant were as tight for our equipment as those Japan required for their employees! Plant existed for 40 years, no evidence of health problems from operations, but, we were forced to spend $30,000,000 to improve conditions. That is why we could not compete with Japan and Korea.
c) yes – there has been a shift in global wealth. However, it began BEFORE bush too office.
Again, why do you blame Bush for all of this? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO! It is easier to blame one person at the top rather than blame everyone underneath. It was easier to blame Hitler than hold all of Germany responsible for WW2 and the Holocaust!
(3) To compare Iraq with Normandy and Iwo Jima is not callous. It is objective!
You ignore the 3000 families who lost loved ones on 9/11.
Since March of 2003, the city of Detroit has had more than 4000 murders.
Each year, we lose 40,000 in car accidents. That is simply stating a fact and keeping things in perspective.
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Jaydee401 year, 1 month ago
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Wow Good attempt at redirecting blame, fifty percent of US wealth gone because of one administrations actions and you don't think the leader is to blame? No other country has had their currency fall by the same margin as the US, on the contrary the rest of the world has stead consistent while the US lost, why could that be? In your attempt to rewrite current events you hide the facts and discredit the truth but not everyone falls for it, I don't and others don't as well.
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My economics are fine sparky, with the rest of the world having a raise in their standard of living why not sell to them and make more money than to the US? Yes they are farther to ship to but their currency keeps it's value unlike the Greenback. Everything we sell is used and needed on the world market, not just the US, remember that.
Don't seem to remember any problem with sub prime mortgages here but our banking system is regulated thankfully so that could be why.
How did I ignore the 3000 plus dead from 9/11 which the government knew full well about prior to 9/11? Or the over 4000 dead in the middle east in a conflict that is based on lies, to die for a cause is one thing but to die for lies and deceit is a tragedy, nothing more, nothing less. Your comparison is a insult to everything history has taught us, you seem to be trying to say that the Iraqi's are better off now to be in the most violent part of the world unable to defend themselves at a time when they need it most. That is the US doings and nobody else's.
Nice story about environmental laws taking jobs away but lets look at facts, last year when Chinese factories were recalling toys with lead paint nobody said they needed jobs, lets overlook this did they? Fact is as first world countries we need to lead the world at cleaning up our environment and that comes with a price, it US companies want to take their manufacturing of shore then tax their products when the come into the country so it's not an option. Your going to have to pay more but at least the jobs would be there for you and your kids.
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