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Posted By capj71 1 year, 1 month ago in NewsWhile speaking to reporters in Long Beach, CA, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin denied an AP analysis of her recent remarks suggesting that Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers is akin to Obama palling around with terrorists were racially tinged. Has the Swiftboat attack backfired already?
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Polar_bear1 year, 1 month ago
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I am sick and tired of these so-called "racial" comments. Get over it already - how in the world can you claim the Ayers close association with Obama is racial? Get a grip....Obama IS associated with anti-Americans and terrorists - Does that make it racial? I think not...it is simply the truth...The most Marxist Socialist candidate is vying for the President of our United States, and you don't think that's scary folks??? It sure as hell ain't "racist" . Again, it's the pure unadulterated fact. God bless America and please, please, see Obama for who he is and save our country from him.
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FOXYLADY331 year, 1 month ago
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Instead of the mudslinging that is currently taking place in the Republican campaign, I would prefer to hear what McCain is going to do about issues that affect our country. Making negative comments about Obama's ties to Ayers is indicative of the fact that McCain is in trouble and trying to deflect his campaign weakness. During that period in our history,there were many Americans who were dissatisfied with what was taking place in our country. Obama was a young boy at that time. So what if he knows Ayers? Big deal! He did not actively engage in Ayers' misdeeds. We as American citizens need to make sound choices when we vote and not be influence by such foolishness. Palin needs to look in her own backyard at the unpatriotic deeds of her husband which some people may view as unpatriotic as well. For some who could not name one newspaper a week or so ago, she is now reading the newspapers? Silly me, I thought that once we had a woman in the position of possibly being a VP she would not allow herself to stoop so low. I am definitely dissappointed in Palin.
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femalto1 year, 1 month ago
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Unfortunately, both sides have said some pretty nasty things about the other. Neither Obama nor McCain have come out and actually "done" anything to help in our global financial crises, and anyone who thinks we can just skate through this mess should pull his/her head out of the sand. We don't want more corporate breaks, but, we also shouldn't have a looming huge government health care costs or a bail out to people who knew they couldn't afford the house they decided to purchase. Stupid words come out of people's mouths during times like these. Having woman running does not make Sarah Palin sound, just as with Hillary. It is the person and what that person can do for us, not who is the most popular politically. Children learn bickering lessons early. Maybe the majority of voters need to grow up a little.
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righton21 year, 1 month ago
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Femalto, As far as huge government health care costs, both the Democrats and the Republicans proposed some kind of health care plan, unfortunately these plans were formulated before the government had to spend 700 billion dollars to bail out Wall Street, not the people who should not have gotten a loan in the first place. Their homes have been foreclosed on and these banks are holding mortgages on houses that have lost a good part of their value and no one wants to buy at this time. It's truly a mess and no one really has an answer or knows for sure what is going to happen? This bail out is just a tournequet and surgery is going to be needed to correct the problem. Like many health conditions, doctors can have different opinions of what is the best way to treat? I don't blame the two candidates from withholding a plan, it's not something you want to make a quick decision on and get it wrong.
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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First, the Obamas have been long time friends with Ayers. If Barrack wins, that means an unrepentant terrorist has access to the White House. The same White House he and his friends wanted to destroy.
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This article clearly shows more than a passing acquaintance:
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vor1 year, 1 month ago
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You people are just unreal. Nothing in your article shows any type of connection between these two men other than they were advising on the same project. I worked with a guy last year that murdered an old man in cold blood. So am I an accessory to murder? By your logic they should lock me up.
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Do you really believe Obama is anti-American? That he would sell this country right down the river like the GOP has for the last 8 years? Borrowing from the Chinese and OPEC.
Your political bias has really caused something to come loose in your brain. Completely non-sensical. For Palin to raise this is not racist, it is just stupid and sad. It would be a travesty for this to change even one vote. Republicans have no shame and haven't for years.
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techsupport1 year, 1 month ago
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Think John McCain doesn't have a "more-than-passing-acquaintance" that could prove to be politically damaging?
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McCain's "own Bill Ayers":
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/mccains-...
Someone who has been convicted of felony and conspiracy, who is unrepentant and admittedly plotted to do much worse (murder, "if necessary"), who was the point man in the most egregious undermining of Presidential trust in this nation's history, would have access to the White House. The same White House he and his cohorts put to shame. And Sen. McCain has never disavowed him.
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BigBadJohn6661 year, 1 month ago
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I had pizza for breakfast so I guess i'm a racist since so many think that anything and everything is racist. Terrorism is not a race and all these terrorists that people are bringing up are not running for president of the USA. Barack Hussein Obama with all his terrorist and muslim (muslim not a race either) friends is the most dangerous man to ever run for president of the USA. Wake up before it is too late. Don't let the liberal media tell you what to do, think for yourself.
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Everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is a lie.
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donald511 year, 1 month ago
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Hey polar, Palin tried to get you off the endangered list!
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Anything that Barak has done half as bad as Palin's husband's participation in Alaska secessionist meetings?
Any other previous dems give us socialism?
So you like the last 8 years of damage done to our country under repugs... and want more! 1.2 million dead Iraqis not enough for ya? 11.3 Trillion debt not enough for ya?
Has to be racism as you fools just can't even validate your "unadulterated" lies!
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Floydnewalla1 year, 1 month ago
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jordan 11 give me a break admitting to associating with know terrorists and extremists is propaganda. Whats next killing your wife for having an affair is just cause. Hi OJ hows jail treating you? Damn the luck get away with double murder not spend a day in jail and go to prison for 25 years for pushing someone across the room. Karma I dare say. :)
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Obama was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active. Your attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous. If Ayers had been found guilty of radical activities, he'd be in prison. He isn't. He's a College Professor.
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Ayers was against the Vietnam war. Lots of people were. Didn't make them terrorists. And Ayers was found guilty of nothing. That makes your trying to link both of them to terrorism propaganda. Put another way, a lie.-
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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One of John McCain’s biggest fundraisers “oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States.” HuffPost reports that Carl Lindner, the former CEO of Chiquita Brands, “paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (known by the Spanish acronym AUC),” which is described by George Washington University’s National Security Archive as an ‘illegal right-wing anti-guerrilla group tied to many of the country’s most notorious civilian massacres.’”
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JB3171 year, 1 month ago
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Nope! Just what is wrong with our country. Karma is, having to bail out Wall Street, when Welfare to the needy was such a bad thing. $356.00 a month vs. 840 billion dollars. When your brain view the world through your eyes, it probably sleeps.
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Palin probably was elected as Governor, she must have had at least one good quality.oops, so was Bush elected. May be they are both plants by terrorist to destroy this country. Good Job!
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hookie1 year, 1 month ago
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OBAMA WAS 8 YEARS OLD WHEN AYERS ACTED IN THE REVOLUTION OF THE VIET NAM RIOTS.
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HE LATER WAS AQUITTED.
HE GOT HIS PHD AND WORKED AT THE SAME UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO, AS OBAMA.
HE WAS A TEACHER ASSOCIATE, AND THEY WERE ON THE SAME COMMITTEE FOR FUNDING A PROGRAM.
THEY ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS.
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Dunamis1 year, 1 month ago
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If Ayers and Obama are NOT friends then why did Obama kick start his politcal career in Ayers' living room ? Ayers is NOT the only questionable person in Obama's past, what about the rascist, America hating Jeremiah Wright, and Frank Marshall Davis to name a few .
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McCain / Palin 08
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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So was Bush and you didn't seem to have a problem voting for him did you? I mean he was raised alongside Bin Laden. Bush and Bin Laden families were practically related.
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So why did you have no problem when it was Reagan and Bush and now Bush the second having ties to terrorists? And REAL terrorists. The people who attacked us. And yet you now seem to drill the fact that a real estate developer gave some money to an organization that may have links to al quaeda. Why is that?
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RedRiverJ1 year, 1 month ago
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Polar_Bear I agree with you. Seems any negative talk about Obama is immediately labeled racial.
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Obama friendships with William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan, Raila Odinga, Saul Alinsky and other radicals should make even his supporters stop and think about Obama's character and judgment.
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PamGon1 year, 1 month ago
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Obama was not a "friend" on Ayers. They moved in same circles and did belong to groups together. Obama was 8 yrs old when Ayers was doing his bombing and had no input. Obama addressed this issued during debates will Hillary. Only Fox news brings this up and up. Can you say Keating Five.
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StillUnashamed1 year, 1 month ago
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I oppose Obama because of his policy on abortions
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I oppose Obama because of his policy on taxing small businesses
I oppose Obama because of his policy on Iraq
I oppose Obama because of his policy on education
I oppose Obama because of his energy policies
I oppose Obama because of his foriegn policies
I oppose Obama because of his policy on universal government run health care
I oppose Obama because of his voting record
But since I oppose Obama because of his policies, I am considered a racist. Now for my racist comment: If Obama was white, he would have never made it past the first few primaries. How can I say that? Easy, no white male candidate with the same policies and views and voting record as Obama ever made it past the first few primaries.
BTW, I have a friend whose mother is white, as is Obama's, and whose father was black, as is Obama's, yet this man has the appearance of a caucasian. Question: would Obama have made it this far if he had inherited more of his mother's racial traits?-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 1 month ago
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That would take me writing a book. There is not space in here to address each one just like you may say you agree with Obama on his policies but I doubt you could in this forum tell on what grounds specifically that you agree with him.
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But let me try:
1. I believe a fetus is a unique human being and thus is deserving of the protection of socitey. He says he is not qualified to say when life begins and enough has been said about his votes on abortioin issues that to say more would be clutter.
2. Depending upon whom we listen to, Obama's plan to rasie taxes on those making over 200 K (or is it 250?) will include small businesses that take in over that amount. This will in effect cause them to close down, leaving their employees without a job.
3. I believe setting a time-table to withdraw troops from Iraq without certain conditions being met is a foolish policy that will assure our defeat and embolden terrorists.
4. I believe in the need for a good education system. My wife is a teacher in the public school system. But pouring more money into a broken system will not fix it. I'm not sure what would fix it but I believe abolishing the NEA would be a step in the right direction.
5. I believe oil companies should be allowed to drill off-shore and in the remote areas of Alaska. I know most "experts" say we wouldn't see production from new drilling for ten years (funny, we put men on the moon in less time) but if it is so, imagine where we would have been had they been allowed to drill ten years ago or where we'll be in ten years if we don't start drilling now?
I've already taken up too much space. I know each of these issues are debatable, but my purpose is not to debate, but to list as you have requested.-
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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1. I believe a fetus is a unique human being and thus is deserving of the protection of socitey. He says he is not qualified to say when life begins and enough has been said about his votes on abortioin issues that to say more would be clutter."
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You have a right to that belief. But I believe that a woman has a right to decide what she does with her body.
2. Depending upon whom we listen to, Obama's plan to rasie taxes on those making over 200 K (or is it 250?) will include small businesses that take in over that amount. This will in effect cause them to close down, leaving their employees without a job.
And how much did the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy help the economy. Trickle down economics don't work.
3. I believe setting a time-table to withdraw troops from Iraq without certain conditions being met is a foolish policy that will assure our defeat and embolden terrorists.
Not setting a timetable gives the Iraqi government time to dawdle around and avoid fixing political issues, etc. because they know we won't leave until they do. Are you willing to keep paying $8 billion a month in perpetuity? That would fix a lot of bridges and roads here in the US. Would go a lot further towards energy independence than any drilling.
4. I believe in the need for a good education system. My wife is a teacher in the public school system. But pouring more money into a broken system will not fix it. I'm not sure what would fix it but I believe abolishing the NEA would be a step in the right direction.
Want your wife's pay to decrease. Want her to lose all her benefits. By all means, abolish the NEA. Things do need to change but.....abolishing the NEA will lead to losses of lots of good teachers. BTW, my wife is a teacher as well. I've seen the crap that the school district tried to pull during contract negotiations.
5. I believe oil companies should be allowed to drill off-shore and in the remote areas of Alaska. I know most "experts" say we wouldn't see production from new drilling for ten years (funny, we put men on the moon in less time) but if it is so, imagine where we would have been had they been allowed to drill ten years ago or where we'll be in ten years if we don't start drilling now?
Even if we saw product from that drilling, it would not bring us energy independence (not even close). The most generous lowering of the cost of gas i've seen would be 25 cents.-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 1 month ago
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As I said before, each of these are debatable and have been debated and will be debated. The point that you seem to miss is this. It is possible for someone to disagree with Obama without being a racist. That's what this particular thread is about.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes it is possible to disagree with Obama without being a racist. I've never seen anyone here claim that if you disagree with Obama you must be a racist. That is nothing but a straw man argument used to dismiss real racist attacks against Obama.
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When Palin made her remarks, she never mentioned Ayers. She just stated he was palling up to terrorists. Most people, if they didn't know she was referring to Ayers, would assume she was referring to Muslim terrorists, and that is playing on at best, islamophobia.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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First let me say, thank you. I really appreciate that you were specific. Few people are when asked.
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I'm going to reply to your points from my perspective, only because this is a public debate forum and I believe another voice is required. So because you say it's not your purpose to debate, feel free to disregard. No reply is solicicted.
1. Like Obama, I am not qualified to say when human life begins. I know when potential begins, but not the completion of that potential. I leave that to science.
In his votes re: abortion, Obama is not voting for abortion. He's voting for the Constitutional right to choose. He personally is against abortion, as am I. I've never known anyone who is for abortion, & it's disengenuous to say his votes are for it.
2. Here, from Obama's web site, are some of his proposals for small business:
"Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies:
" Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation."
3. I never heard Obama say that if conditions weren't favorable, he would just pull troops anyway. He's trying to get Iraqi's to take more responsibility, and they can't or won't do that without the incentive of knowing they have a time frame.
4. Obama is for charter schools, that bring competition into the equation. Charter schools are public schools with a new concept. Isn't that what you're asking for?
5. Putting a man on the moon did not involve the same environmental complexities as well as building obstacles that drilling for oil has. Apples and oranges. It will be 10 years before that oil flows. The people of Alaska and CA have already had their coastlines devastated by errant oil producers. Where are the safeguards, and where is the accountability?
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komenyay1 year, 1 month ago
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Wow, the dumb-o-crats really do have issues with race don't they? I listened (new concept here for all you dumb-o-crats) and read (verbatim) Gov. Palin's remarks about NObama's association with Ayers, then broke open a dictionary and thesaurus (for those dumb-o-crats who don't know what those tomes are, they're books that bring DEFINITION to the english language) and dissected it word by word. There were NO racial tones, intended or implied. This election seems to be based on the dumb-o-crats plying on making the white voter feel guilty about being prejudice or racist. Our current nominees for President of the United States are a no-history, no-honor, no experience man of mixed racial origin, and a man with a rich history of service and honor to the people of America. Hmmm, seems like a no-brainer to me.
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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dude, you realize how dumb that comes off? Tones aren't found in individual words you can look up in a dictionary or thesaurus. They're found in combinations and choices of words; they are found in the relation of those words to current events.
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That relation to current events is the only thing that could possibly have caused anyone to think that "Lipstick on a Pig" referred to Palin, even though it was said about McCain's plans and has been a common phrase used by both sides during their respective campaigns.
The way you look at race is black and white. You look at McCain's military service and think it is enough, then you see Obama doesn't have military service, but his relationships (the same ones you overlook with McCain) make you doubt him.
I don't think that military service automatically makes a man an "honorable American," many dishonorable deeds are done by service members, which in no way reflect on the other members.
I look at the relative intelligence, the willingness to listen, the ability to identify with the underdog, and I see Obama as a stronger choice. McCain has an incredible ability to side with the winners and the successful, the ones who least need looking after. If the president isn't watching out for these people, they'll watch out for themselves. A president has to look out for all people, including those who might not be able to look out for themselves.
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Since all the Obama backers are BIG on change for change's sake, I'm selling SQUARE tires. They're as "green" as one can get, because one can't go anywhere. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY A SET? Hey, it's a CHANGE!
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Seriously, Obama may be just what this country needs; a complete change to socialism so we can collectively fall flat on our faces and relearn what the Russians had to learn so dearly...IT DOESN'T WORK!...We tried a taste of it in the mid-sixties under Lyndon Baines Johnson's "War on Poverty" and the only thing we truly made war on was ourselves. PLEASE, folks, study your history.-
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Gee, donald51, an ad hominem attack so soon. And we've just met. For your edification 51 (at least your honest enough to give us your IQ), knowing history can indeed evoke fear. It's casandric in that I see the train coming down the track, I try to warn people, and yet they still insist on sitting there. Yes, donald51, if history is any guide, it will be a train wreak. As for "Tail-Gunner Joe" (as Sen. McCarthy was known), he wasn't wrong on every charge he made. All one needs to do is read the up-dates since the fall of the U.S.S.R. Not being a product of the public schools, I sometimes take it for granted that everyone has at least a working knowledge of history.
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Jordan11, the "Gulag Archipelago" is an excellent tome to show what socialism on steroids (communism) can lead to. There are many forms: Maoism, the Cambodian version under Pol Pot, National SOCIALISM ((Nazis) under Hitler.
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Oh, I know jordan11, IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE. The way this country has been heading since FDR (strong central government, misinterpretation of the commerce clause of the constitution required to enact FDR's socialist-lite programs, all the way to the recent $700 billion bail-out), is incrementally leading to an American version of a socialist state. I never claimed it would happen in one fell swoop. THE CONDITIONS ARE RIPE! It only awaits the "leader" to seize the opportunity to make it happen.
In the interest of clarification on my political stance, let me make one thing clear: I am not a Bush supporter. As has happened throughout my voting history, I was given LOTE votes. He made the seemingly right noises and got my vote, and then he failed to follow through, Please remember this: calling oneself a conservative does not make one so. He's endorsed legislation that can only be called socialist in that it did not follow true constitutional doctrine as the Founding Fathers meant it.-
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Beau78901 year, 1 month ago
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Pecossam:
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You said that The Gulag Archipelago shows what "socialism on steroids (communism) can lead to."
That's cheating in several ways on your comparison:
1) You say "socialism on steroids (communism)," which means socialism in itself is not even a problem, though you seem to think Obama's ideas are socialism. By your own words, the problem occurs when socialism is taken to an extreme.
2) You say "can" lead to, which implies that it doesn't always lead there.
3) You never specified what you find socialistic about any of Obama's ideas.
4) In the comment directly above, you seem to say that anything that does not "follow true Constitutional doctrine as the Founding Fathers meant it" is socialism.
That's absurd. The founding fathers--and the Constitution itself--make NO mention of capitalism, socialism or communism. You seem to be confusing economic systems with political ones.
In addition, you said Bush "made the seemingly right noises and got my vote, and then he failed to follow through."
I have a question about that: Which of those "lesser of two evils" who you've voted for in the past has ever followed through on the "seemingly right noises" they made?
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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In case you misunderstood the last paragraph of my reply, I mentioned President G. W. Bush. Do you consider him a democrat? None-the-less I shall give you a concise definition of SOCIALISM: The taking from those who have in order to give to those who haven't (also known as "coerced charity" which is also known as THEFT). No matter how well intentioned the believers of this philosophy are, IT IS WRONG. CHARITY is to be given FREELY by one individual to another according to need as determined by the donor.. An association of like minded individuals may pool their monies and talents in order to target what they see as a specific need. THIS IS A FREE ASSOCIATION PROVIDED FOR IN THE CONSTITUTION. The most our government is supposed to do is ensure that the conditions exist so that we, the citizens, can freely go about our business so long as it is legal. The clause in the constitution "General Welfare" means just that. IT DOES NOT MEAN an INDIVIDUAL welfare check or any other form of assistance. I suggest you consult the writings of our great Mr. Madison, the author of this phrase and much of our "owners manual", the constitution.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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And your version of the way things should be will lead to nothing more than a small elite wealthy upper class, a small merchant/tradesman middle class, and a large peasant class......just like they had in England.
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Do you really believe that charity will make things OK for the disadvantaged, be they poor, disabled, sick........
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Beau78901 year, 1 month ago
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Pecossam:
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Your definition of socialism: "The taking from those who have in order to give to those who haven't."
I imagine you'd call capitalism the opposite of socialism. Does that mean the definition of capitalism is: The taking from those who haven't in order to give to those who have"?
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coprogirl1 year, 1 month ago
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Pecossam, you idiot. It wasn't socialism that ruined the soviet empire. IT WAS THE 10 YEAR WAR THEY HAD WITH AFGHANISTAN. It bankrupt them, it ruined government cred with the people. A lot like what Bush has done to this country in his 8 years.
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Gee, coprogirl, I guess Alexander Solschenizyn got it all wrong. He should of contacted you first.
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Beau7890, I can assure you the Founding Fathers were PROPERTY OWNERS and wold NEVER subscribe to the entitlement programs (socialism) we have today. Our Veterans are a different story in that they served their country and that defence of our nation is a CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE of our Commander-in-Chief. What is provided to Veterans IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT in the socialistic sense we have in Title 8 housing vouchers, e.g. I bring this difference up now because when I've had this discussion in the past, one is sure to bring up Veteran's benefits as charity (socialism). Beau7890, you couldn't be more on the mark regarding my past LOTE votes. I've held my nose and voted for a candidate more times than I wish to remember. Are you a kindred soul in this respect? Wouldn't it be great to really vote FOR someone? Maybe one day. If I must be politically defined, I wish it to be as a CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE. Not Republican nor Democrat, though both parties have had some great leaders in the past, I feel both traditional parties are out of touch with you and me.-
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Beau78901 year, 1 month ago
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Your assurance is not good enough, Pecossam. What you call the "entitlement programs (socialism) we have today" is called by many others a safety net, in accordance with the stated purposes of the government to promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."
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And yes, I saw your earlier comment--I agree that "promoting the general Welfare" doesn't mean handing out checks. But it DOES mean ensuring that each citizen is protected against losing his inalienable right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And securing "the blessings of liberty" to ourselves and our posterity most DEFINITELY means protecting citizens against unobstructed power coupled with unbridled greed (corporatism), a combination that wins every time, absent an equally powerful and balancing force (governmental regulation).
So, when you say you're a Constitutional Conservative, do you mean a strict constructionist (as someone who believes the government has no right to collect taxes), a textualist (like Justice Scalia), or something else?
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In answer to your direct question, I have watched Obama in action since he was first elected to the Illinois State Senate, and have found--for the first time in 28 years of voting--a presidential candidate who I am proud to vote for. You may think I'm a sucker, but you haven't been watching Obama for as long as I have.
I will agree with you that both parties have strayed from their missions (if their original missions were to actually serve the people). And I'll add that I believe the adversarial nature of a two-party system prevents them from truly serving the people, as it necessitates partisan gamesmanship.
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jaml0021 year, 1 month ago
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Obama has some character flaws that need to be addressed. Fact is he does associate with terrorist people and past involvement with ACORN that has a history of voter fraud. Fannie Mae gave them $700,000.00 and the democrats tried to hide another donation with their recent bail out plan. Yes, he does have character problems...and he has never done anything...never wrote any law reviews ever...never voted in Illinois only voted present...only in office as US Senator 144 days and decided to run for President..absolutely no experience. Where does he get his money folks. Who paid for his
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two college degrees. Remember this is the guy that said it was above his pay grade to decide when conception occurred..and that is why he voted to kill babies who survived the abortion procedure. -
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jfp9231 year, 1 month ago
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Once again, they are saying that ANY criticism of Obama, no matter what it is, is "racist." Perhaps I am just "a typical white person" (as Obama called his grandmother....a racist remark?) but I don't see how pointing out Obama's associations with these dangerous radicals is racist. Ayers is white, and an unrepentant terrorist; Rezko is a Syrian born Muslim, and convicted criminal; Rev. Wright and Louis Farakhan are black racists, but Father Pflager is white. Saul Alinsky was a white Communist. Reila Odinga was a black Kenyan Communist. Obama's close ties to these people, and to ACORN (which had a BIG part in bringing about our current financial crisis) deserve close scrutiny. Obama seems to have pursued an "equal opportunity" policy in closely associating with anti American radicals and organizations (and benefiting financially and politically from those associations). Why is mentioning these things "racist"?
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Beau78901 year, 1 month ago
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Your criticisms of Obama may or may not be racist.
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They are, however, stupid.
Once again, Ayers has never been convicted of terror, and the government declined to press charges against him. Obama was NINE YEARS OLD when the Weathermen were doing their bombing.
Obama has NO association with Louis Farrakhan. Father Pfleger is a loudmouth, but also well-respected among members of the Catholic Church as well as members of local and state government for helping underprivileged and poor neighborhoods in Chicago.
Saul Alinsky died when Obama was TEN YEARS OLD.
This is the extent of Obama's connection to Raila Odinga (WOW are you reaching):
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL08727241.h...
If you really think our financial crisis stems solely from overextended mortgages, you're sadly mistaken. You may want to look up the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which removed protections set in place during the 1930s to ensure banks didn't overextend themselves. Yes, that "Gramm" is Phil Gramm, Sen. McCain's good friend and top economic advisor, who was responsible for deregulating the financial industry, weakening the SEC, as well as disallowing oversight of the energy-trading industry, paving the way for Enron's scams.
Or you may want to study up on the S failures of the 1980s, caused by poor oversight of the financial industry. When you do, you'll discover Charles Keating (very close friend of John McCain), central figure in the influence-peddling scandal that led to the failures of several S, among them Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan and Neil Bush's Silverado.
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Deacontheman1 year, 1 month ago
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All this crap and school boy accusations on here from both sides is great folly.. I thought blacks were only 13% of the US population but I wonder how so many people are so foolish as to think Obama can or will make anything better in America.. Dont you crazy demorats know that even if he wins, the republicans will spend the next 3 years cutting him onto little pieces and will end up throwing him to the very goons who now think he is our next savior... The blame game wont change anything... Who you going to blame next time..??? People and their insipid desires never change, only the events change... Look at you foolish Americans, you have destroyed your own Country.. You are grossly obeese, demand instant gradification thru your drugs, your alcohol abuse, your constant attention for sex, your drive to get your way through fat cat lawyers.. You are way overpaid, you are the most greedy people of this planet, you lie to get your way, and step on anybody in your way.. Look at your habits, the worthless TV movies and commercials you watch, the way you treat your families, your children, and your animals.. You demand the newest adult toys, your gas gussling cars, your materialistic things... Enough here... Now you want to blame other corrupt politicians for everything that is wrong with this Country.. ITS ALL YOUR FAULTS.... Only you, not your neighbors...
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jojo81 year, 1 month ago
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Sarah Palin requisitioned quite a bit of money for Alaska's aerial shooting of wolves program. According to the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, she is an enemy to animals there. Palin also led the way this past legislative session on measures to increase hunting in Alaska including by destroying in as cruel a way as possible wolves, wolverines and brown bears. She's a hypocrite!! Palin says she's pro-life but then contradicts herself by supporting and taking part in the killing of our animals and wildlife. Sarah Palin your a damned hypocrite!! You got a fight coming Palin!!!! She offered a bounty of $150 for each left front leg of freshly killed wolves. As mayor of Wasilla, she made rape victims pay for their own forensic evidence kits. She used $400,000 of state money to fund a propaganda campaign in support of aerial hunting. She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species because it might limit oil exploitation. While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books. She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power. She is opposed to listing the Cook Inlet beluga whale as an endangered species. She has no international experience and only obtained her first passport just last year (2007). Click on link to see just how coldhearted Sara Palin really is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T85cOGc8L0
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MyohMy751 year, 1 month ago
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I find it hilarious that people who have no wildlife in their backyards call hunters hypocrites.
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Do you have wolves running around YOUR back yard? (I do.)
I support shooting them 100%. Maybe we messed up the world... but Alaska is one of the most beautiful states in this country- so they must be doing something right. -
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kaishodge1 year, 1 month ago
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So how old was Kennedy again when he became president? He was beloved young AND "inexperienced" since people love to throw that word around in reference to Obama. Stop being so one sided and unfair. Palin has no experience either since we are on the subject. What constitutes experience? I respect McCain I really do. He has paid his dues. But someone please tell me what is up with this Palin woman
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StillUnashamed1 year, 1 month ago
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JFK was a war hero.
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JFK was a 3 term U.S. Representative serving 6 years
JFK was a full 1 term Senator serving 6 years before becoming president. That's a total of 12 years in congress. Obama by comparison has been in congress not yet four years.
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kaishodge1 year, 1 month ago
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Stillunashamed everything you listed was pure facts. Plain and simple facts. I adore the Kennedy clan and their history. JFK served his country no denying that. Did he earn his representative and senate positions fully? That’s questionable. He came from a powerful rich and influential family and at the time any one of Joe Kennedy’s kids came highly recommended. Or else.
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Obama fought tooth and nail to prove himself and did not have any help from anyone in higher places like JFK did god rest his soul. Obama is no JFK clearly but for a man of his background I'd say he fought hard and he's come very far and still has to "prove" himself to those who believe he's got more to prove. What more has he got to prove besides not serving in the United States Army and having less than 4 years "experience"? Seems like they keep raising the bar on Obama. Not saying he is the one to fix this mess mind you. I don’t’ know who can fix this mess but I think Obama is being treated unfairly.-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 1 month ago
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Thank you for your kind reply. It proves we can discuss our differences in a civilized manor unlike most of what goes on in Propeller.
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Now if you will indulge me as I reply to some of your comments.
First to those I agree with. You are right in that JFK came from a powerful family and there is no way to know if he earned his House and Senate positions.
You are also right that for a man of his background, Obama has come a long way as did Bill Clinton before him (you remember him, the first black president).
But that in itself does not make him the best qualified to be president. What more does he have to prove? Plenty. And as for the bar being raised, it seems to me the bar has been lowered. Please name me one person elected president with the thin resume Obama has. You might have to go back to Lincoln, so no one with his level of experience has been elected president in 150 years.
And Obama being treated unfairly???? By whom???? Republicans? Well, yes. It is always the case that political parties do not treat their opponents fairly, just like the democrats have been extremely unfair to McCain and Palin. But that is part of politics and as Forrest Gump would say, "If you can't take it, don't dish it out!" (I really don't know if he would say that.) Is he being mistreated by the media? Maybe by FOX. Certainly not by any of the other networks. The MSM clearly favored Obama over Clinton in the primaries and clearly favor him over McCain.
To end on a positive note. I'm with you in that I don't know who can fix this mess. Though I plan to vote for McCain, he was around 5th on my list of choices when the primary season began. He was only ahead of Giuliani, and Ron Paul.
BTW, I gave you a + even though I disagree with your premise because I appreciate your style.
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nikkibabe1 year, 1 month ago
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The pathetic Republican ticket has nothing to defend of what has happened in last 8 years. They have no issues to discuss, they have no solutions to the crisis, not one but multiple.
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All they have left in the campaign is personal attacks.
As they are doing it, the stock market has plunged another 400 points and lot of people are going to come out empty in their life savings at the end of the day.
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4thchance1 year, 1 month ago
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The last time I check on William Ayers, he was STILL a WHITE GUY. A white guy who tried to BOMB and over throw our government, Yes, a domestic terrorist! What's so racial about that? Oh I get it, the DemoRats are trying to make this a racial issue. Ayers is WHITE you freaking MORONS.
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coprogirl1 year, 1 month ago
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Give me a friggin break. I was around during that time. These guys were anti-war. They weren't overthrowing anything. Not to mention that 40 years ago is a ludicrious timepoint in a person's current character. I was a "radical", helped take over a college building to protest the war. There was nothing working to get the gov's attention. Your arguments are strawmen. And to all you hidden racists out there: if Michelle Obama had been arrested and in a rehab for drug addiction, do you think Obama would have been elected to anything? If Obama had been a known adulterer. would we be haranging on that? The double standard is glaringly real.
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4thchance1 year, 1 month ago
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Hey coprogirl
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You are in deep denial my friend. LOOK AT THE FACTS for a change would you. All you dems keep preaching you want change. Well, for a change, how about looking at the facts and stop grabbing crap out of thin air...FOR A CHANGE! You can burry your head in the sand until you're blue in the face that William Ayers did indeed try to bomb the Pentagon he did try to overthrow the government. Facts are facts, no matter how badly you want to beleive otherwise. Stop trying to change history would ya. Man some of you are truly out the door with stupidity!
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cloud151 year, 1 month ago
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copro while 40 years is a long time Ayers himself has said that he doesn't regret what he did. He hasn't apologized or expressed any remorse for what he did, other than that he didn't do enough. I could understand if he was sorry now for what he did 40 years ago and maybe he has changed, but that's simply not the case.
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coprogirl1 year, 1 month ago
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Oh really. Not a racial issue? Think about this: if michelle obama had been arrested and in a rehab for drug abuse, or if obama had been a known adulterer, can you tell me this would not be at the forefront of the morally rightous right? Give me a friggin break. Plenty of us were "radicals" in the 60's, which has zip to do with now. You neocons are grasping at straws.
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kaishodge1 year, 1 month ago
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Coprogirl there is a double standard present I agree. Just like with Palin if an Obama teenage girl showed up pregnant and un married for a marijuana smoking thug who boasts his activities on myspace. The Obama campaign would we washed up pronto. Conservatives would be all over that like white on rice! Great observation
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VocalOp1 year, 1 month ago
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Why are John McCain and Sarah Palin doing those things which they know will divide? If Americans ever needed to depend, trust, come together and work together to get through this horrible situation we find ourselves in, that time is now. How can anyone claiming to love America stoop so low? I guess there really is no shame anymore. Reprobated minds abounding, so sad.
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suprem10061 year, 1 month ago
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Once again is the season for the hypocratic Republican party to try and judge another front runner for with swift boat attacks. I am not scared of someone Obama knew who did some crazy things back when Obama was a kid. It was the 60's and it was the craziest time in American history. Now being from Texas I can tell you how Mccain and Bush's two brothers were involved with the collapses of S which cost 20+thosands jobs and, life savings, futures. Here we are once again with the only Bush not in charge talking no new taxes and the world economy failing due to mismangement on his watch, who Mccain voted with 95% of the time and you think people are going to fall for the swift boat crap again. You will lose every state that you think is a toss up. People have had enough of the lies the outings, the no bid contracts, 300,000,000 spent a week in Iraq while millions of Americans can't pay thier house note since some guy in India got thier job. And some a**hole telling me to vote Mccain for change.LOL, get real get a life and get with the fact that we will be electing anything but Republican. God Bless America, Obama/Biden and our soldiers who will be coming home from that police action in Iraq. O and as a Vet I wish to remind you that Mccain voted against more money for are injured and voted against a modern GI Bill so he lost the retired and Disabled vote when he alligned himself with anybody but us 20% rating from VA. Either your for soldiers or against us and he chose to side with big government and waste and abuse in Iraq but not take care of us! So come election day we will ensure that he finishes his miserable life out as the senator of AZ.
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suprem10061 year, 1 month ago
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Mccain is a joke. It wont be politics as usual. The straight talk express is derailed for sure cause he sounds just like Bush in 2000. Bush didnt say a word just let Cheany and his other lackys do his dirty work. Mccain is so intimadated he could not even look at Barak Obama. We dont need another cowboy Rich kid who only made it thru life off his daddy and granddads name running the country. We already had that. Tell The second Ms Mccain she is a husband stealing drug addicted phony and Senator Mccain can finish out his golden years in the Senate. Palin dont even get me started, but they will try and control the media since her investigation for trooper gate is full swing. In one month people will go to the polls and for the first time in my life I will be voteing straight democrat since the Republicans were in charge and you see what that got us. Is anybody really surprised? The rich have gotten richer and the semi wealthy have watched their 401 K's disapper. You have to realize by not acknowledging Bush when you use to kiss his but endeared you to the conservatives but quarnteed you a loss, no matter how many lies and attacks you luanch. Democrats 08. Thank you Bush and Mcinsane, mcsenial, mcloser.
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putinkiller1 year, 1 month ago
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Funny folks, funny comments, both Democrat and Republican. Sounds like both of your groups want big government. A book to read is the Forgotten Man. And then look at what big government has done. I say vote out the incumbents for the next three consecutive elections. The Democrats are as much if not more at fault about the mortgage meltdown, and the Republicans did nothing but enjoy the benefits of the false market values. We will be at 10% unemployment next year and a dow of about 8000 if lucky. I want to see Obama or McCain try to budget that...oh yeah, their special interest groups still run the country. We need term limits in congress. And get rid of those Ayers types along with Limbaughs and Hannitys. We need a third party, not the socialist or con-party. You all need to quit giving money to these folks (Dem and Repubs). Hell, let's have another revolution folks. And then we will rewrite the constitution...a bill of rights and responsibilities.
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krusty1 year, 1 month ago
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Amazing! Alaska has an wolf over population issue and it needs to be addressed (move them to other places in the US or shoot them). Since the NIMBY groups in this country do not want wolves reintroduced the only option is kill them. Unless of course PETA whats to take them.
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ANNEE1 year, 1 month ago
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The problem with this is that Obama hides behind his race to the point that ANYTHING said in opposition to him is construed as racist. Nothing has been said about Obama that couldn't have been said to any candidate of any race who fit the situation. Get over it.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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BS. Would a white candidate have smears out about him claiming he's a muslim?
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Maybe Palin's comments weren't "racially tinged". but they would have been taken as meaning that he hangs around with Muslim (dark skinned) terrorists by that 15% of the population who believe the anonymous email smears claiming that he's a secret muslim.
You are the one who needs to get over it.
I know, you'd rather that Obama and his supporters just lay down to the lies and the smears, like Kerry and Gore did. Maybe this time, the democrats have learned something from the 2000 and 2004 campaigns.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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And if you think race isn't an issue in this election, I've got some ocean front property to sell you here in Illinois.
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He faced it in the Democratic primaries (democratic primary voters saying they wouldn't vote for a colored person) and he'll face it again in November.
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ANNEE1 year, 1 month ago
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Ayers is an admitted terrorist. If Obama does not address his affiliation with Ayers, then others will. Nothing racist about it, it's about the voter's right to know about the people and events that have shaped a candidate's viewpoint. Obama threw Rev. Wright under the bus, Ayers may as well join him. Of course, the good Rev. Wright did say "He (obama) has to say these things to get elected..."
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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Obama has addressed his affiliation with Ayers. He worked on a council dealing with education issues as well as judicial sentencing of youths as adults. He taught at the same school. He lives down the street from Ayers.
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There's his connection. Obama's not best buds with Ayers as you and your buddies like to claim. Maybe you should start looking at some of McCain's connections before you start the whole guilt by association diatribe. Maybe then you won't be such a hypocrite.
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cady4841 year, 1 month ago
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Ayers looks pretty caucasian to me. Perhaps his grandmother is black or something. Otherwise I see no substantiation for calling someone a racist when terrorism is the only corelation between the two.
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The race card can be stretched REAL thin, as we all know.
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