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Posted By Spadecaller 1 year, 2 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentThis music video contrasts the beauty of the Alaskan wolf and the brutal use of aerial hunting that is considered sport by Governor Sarah Palin, McCain’s running mate. Featuring Claude Debussy's "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair," the sounds of wolves, and visuals by Spadecaller.
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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Hold on lefty, would you rather have us build more roads and build a few hunting towns? Or is it more natural to permit them to starve to death? This is once again a left wing story about nothing. I'm surprised they didn't have Tina Fay reading this last Saturday with machine gun fire in the background. Oh that's right they're too busy pitching for Barry the "terrorists friend".
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cushi1 year, 2 months ago
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The same argument could be made in regards to abortion...think about it. I am not pro-abortion by any stretch of the imagination; yet, there is an argument to be had about which is better, to bring an unwanted child into the world and let it starve to death or be otherwise abused and ignored; or to abort??
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cloud151 year, 2 months ago
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That's all a matter of perspective really. We feel we are more important because we have self awareness and the ability to have deep thoughts. But in the grand scheme of the universe, what makes us more important than any other living, or non living thing for that matter?
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protoham1 year, 2 months ago
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Endo, you are wasting your breath, er fingers, these tree huggers do not understand that it is our duty to harvest the woods, control the population of deer, wolves, elk. When they get their food they have no idea how it got there, they bought it at the store.
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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I find it ironic that a woman who swears that all abortion is wrong because God says that all life should be protected is just fine with the ruthless slaughter of innocent animals that have done absolutely nothing to her and ARE living, sentient beings.
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ADAGUY1 year, 2 months ago
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Yea, it has to be a leave of common sense!
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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The nutcases are the ones here spouting ignorance. I have talked to some of the people in a couple of states that are part of the wildlife administrators for their states. These things are done very carefully with the best interest of all of the wildlife in the area. But spadecaller just likes to look at the "compassionate bleeding heart PETA" type of information. He can't believe that these people work for the best interest of all the animals in an area by issuing licenses to kill certain types of wildlife. That would not make a good story bashing Palin. Even Palin has no control over those licenses and how many they issue. However that does not make a good bash Palin story.
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The real game here is to bash Palin. There is really nothing she has to do with this program but what the heck they will bash her anyway. Typical of a spadecaller bash story. Lets ignore the facts and get on with the bashing. So what if it is a lie. That does not mean anything to spadecaller as I have seen in several of his stories.
What lie will you post nest with beautiful pictures and music with people having nothing to do with it in there from time to time.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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She's a barbarian. Cruel, unfeeling and mean spirited.
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Where's PETA, Where's World Wildlife, Where's North Shore and the ASPCA?? I have donated to all of these organizations at one point, and i am disgusted that they haven't taken a stronger stance and been more vocal about Sarah Palin.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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What are you going to do with all of the excess wolves up there. Either you kill them or take them and put them somewhere. Would you foolish people like to take in a couple of packs of wolves?
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People have modified the habitats and caused the animals to have reduced areas. The natural balance has been altered. The wildlife conservationists monitor the amount of animals in an area and to keep the animals healthy they assign a number to trim the amount of them by. Then they issue hunting licenses for that number. Without doing that the population will grow too big for the territory and starvation will trim the amount of animals for them. The animals would then go into human areas for food. To avoid that confrontation and keep the animals healthy hunting is used to keep the populations in control.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Where's PETA, Where's World Wildlife, Where's North Shore and the ASPCA?? I have donated to all of these organizations at one point, and i am disgusted that they haven't taken a stronger stance and been more vocal about Sarah Palin.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Well I see the know nothings have gathered again...
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You people have no idea what you are talking about.
The only aerial hunting allowed in Alaska is for predator control and is done through the Alaska Deptartment of Fish and Game. Nobody in Alaska hunts from the air..you are not even allowed to hunt the same day you fly.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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All hunting in alaska is thru the Alaska Deptartment of Fish and Game;
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they issue hunting permits.
Hunting wolves from the air, is given the nice euphemism 'predator control'.
Private citizens can obtain a permit to 'assist' Fish and Game with aerial predator management.
Palin spent 400,000$ tax money to fight a ban on the practice.
No one whose profession is to preserve wildlife, would do this;
and no real hunters either.
http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8851174-
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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Didn't Palin also sue the Bush Admin for putting the Polar Bear on the list of endangered species?
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Then there's her picture holding up what looked like a Reindeer's head up for a photo op, ever so proud of her hunting prowess. Did she kill that deer for sport or food?
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DaneL1 year, 2 months ago
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You sure got that right. They know nothing about predator control. The wolf has no natural enemies and their numbers are only controled by their food source. The only problem is when the food source drops to a level where the wolf packs drop, the moose and caribou are at very low numbers. And remember moose and caribou are a very important food source for humans there. Not counting the economic stress that would be put on the state from losing out of state moose and caribou hunters.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually when the moose and caribou levels drop in an area of heavy wolf populations..the wolves move into other areas. When wolf packs grow to be to large for an area to support they move on. It is not uncommon for a wolf pak to kill two or three moose in a day. They leave the kill site and move on without finishing off the meat, knowing they can return at anytime to feed on the reamains.
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DaneL1 year, 2 months ago
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Our wolf packs here are getting larger here and it's not going over well with the locals and ranchers. In Big Piney and Pinedale Wyoming, they caught 4 wolves inside a ranchers calving pen and they were just killing calfs as quick as they could get to them. Those 4 won't kill anymore cattle.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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You can neg my comment all you like but the fact remains...The State of Alaska Dept of Fish and Game run predator control not the Governor..There was a ballot measure during the last primary that addressed the aerial hunting issue and the people of Alaska voted to allow the predator control program to continue.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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"the know nothings" How typically arrogant and ignorant as well!
They also democratically elected Hamas to represent the Palestinian govenment; but they are still a terrorist organization too.
And no one twisted Palin's arm to participate in killing wolves by running them into the ground with single engine planes and helicopters; a brutal practice that only a sicko would consider sport. I guess that is your kind of people abntv. That is a cowardly and perverted way of killing God's creatures.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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The point is, abntv:
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private hunters can get a permit in Alaska, to fly around in the wilderness, and find some poor beast and blow it away after running it around a while.
They do it as sport;
not because they are bleeding hearts who love bambi;
not because they have invested in Moose;
not because their brother was eaten by wolves.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Wrong...
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Hunter can petition to the Dept of Fish and Game for an aerial permint..this permit only allows them to shoot wolves in areas set by the Dept of Fish and Game...the only areas where this is allowed is in places where wolf populations are extemely high and the moose and caribou poplulations are in danger.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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You can try adding some fact to the discussion,
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which sub-defines some term and ultimately changes nothing.
I am arrogant, abntv: and know-nothing.
But I do know when the other guy is bluffing with a pair of 2s.
And I know when cruelty is masked as 'wildlife control'.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Not a bluff...
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http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=cont...-
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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They just think it is fun>>>
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Yep. Tough guys. Here's one of them, all proud of his cowardice. Didn't even have to get his feet dirty.
https://secure.defenders.org/site/SPageServer?page...
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Yet again you miss the point..you are to eager to demonize someone and overlook the facts.
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Nobody considers predator control a sport....you know nothing about the program or why it is in place. Maybe you should do a little reading and find out the truth. or are you to busy posting articles like this?-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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You prefer diminished moose and caribou with starving wolves. That is just a wonderful idea. Get your head out of where the sun does not shine. All over the country the wildlife people of the states set limits on hunting after determining how much to trim a population of an animal.
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You people here would prefer the way diminished population of moose and caribou that support people and let the wolves then starve and people go hungry. What kind of nuts are you that you would enjoy seeing animals starve to death.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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Spadecaller:
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Being a hunter, I know what it is like to hunt, I hunt for food and use all of the parts of the food source I can.
But I have also hunted down coyotes who were attacking children in AZ, back in the 90's. It wasn't for food, but for protection.
That said I have never heard of a verified wolf attack on a human being.
Mountain lion, coyotes, bears yes. Wolves no.
Very well done, by the way I have heard the mournful howl of the wolves at night. Very chilling yet beautiful.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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When I was growing up I lived in the interior of Alaska..I remember many times in the winter sitting on my back step listening to the wolves out in the bush...
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I do not support nor does anyone I know support random killing of wolves. What I do support is a predator control program that address's the problem of high wolf populatons in areas that have low levels of moose and caribou.-
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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"Predator control" is a politically correct way of allowing WANTON DESTRUCTION and UNNECESSARY killing of animals just because they "want to" do it. There is no consideration for addressing ANY problem of any population or conservation or eco-balance issues.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Go to the web site and learn if you are able to.
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http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=cont...-
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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Yeah, the government ... under the auspices of the Bush administration ... the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Department of the Interior) has been criticized for years for undoing most of the conservation and endangered species acts and protections of previous administrations. Real trustworthy ... NOT.
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Try some reading here for some truth ...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_th...
http://www.defendersactionfund.org/
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Truth and facts mean nothing to these people. Stories that are lies about Palin come on the site and these people go into an literary orgasm like in this story. Facts mean nothing to them at that point. Only a way to rant about how bad Palin is. Many of them still believe the lies.
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DaneL1 year, 2 months ago
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Remember you are talking with tree-hugging-bleeding-hearts that have watched to many Walt Disney movies. They have in most cases never hunted for food unless they hunt for a deal at the local butcher shop. I wish they would worry about their own backyards and leave ours alone.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Yup...
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I dont mind concern for wildlife and I totally support intelligent wildlife managment..what is frustrating is people with a tiny bit of information jumping into subjects and not accepting the truth. As long as a story smears the person they dont like it must be true.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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No one is condemning hunting for food, my father used to hunt for food, there's nothing wrong with that.
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That said, there is something wrong with hunting any animal down from the air, shooting them, not knowing if you actually killed them, then leaving them to suffer. That's inhumane, and call us what you want, but the truth will stand when the world's on fire!
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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No animals shot from the air are left in the field.
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If any of you want to know the truth about how the system works you can go to the link I posted above.
The only areas these permits are allowed are in areas where wolf populations are too high. Also like I said earlier...this is not something people do daily..at $9.00 a gallon for avgas..you dont see alot of people flying around looking for wolves to chase. The people that live in these areas are dependent on the moose and caribou for food. These people do not have a Safeway on every corner.
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lewby54-591 year, 2 months ago
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If you love animals you will love Christian the Lion, a true Love story!
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lewby54-591 year, 2 months ago
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If you love animals you will love Christian the Lion, a true Love story!
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Poulenc1 year, 2 months ago
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Beautiful visual-sonic rhythm, Spade.
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I'm always appalled, infuriated and astounded by those who kill animals for sport. Astounded that people consider this something to do.
The animals cannot hope to defend themselves; that Palin endorses and participates in bloodsport is yet another indication of her primitivism.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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These animals are not killed for sport....they are participateing in a predator control program set up by the State of Alaska Deptartment of Fish and Game...this program has been in effect for many years now. Palin has never participated in this program. The picture in the video is a fake.
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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Since you are repeating yourself, I'll do the same ...
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"Predator control" is a politically correct way of allowing WANTON DESTRUCTION and UNNECESSARY killing of animals just because they "want to" do it. There is no consideration for addressing ANY problem regarding balance-of-population or conservation or eco-balance issues.
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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Try some reading here for some truth ...
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_th...
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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The people doing this are private licensed hunters, flown in private planes by private pilots. They are not professional wildlife management or wildlife agency personnel. Numerous states "control" their wildlife, but they used trained wildlife management personnel to do so, which most wildlife organizations, including Defenders, does not object to. Only Alaska lets private hunters do this.
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• The private citizens doing this get to keep and sell the hides of the animals they kill.
• Many of the same hunters doing this now are the same ones who hunted wolves from airplanes when it was legal. They signed up for the program once it was reinstated.
• Numerous pictures are available of these so-called "predator control" hunters posing with the carcasses of the animals they take much in the same way a hunter would pose with a successful kill, complete with ear-to-ear grins.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Do you have any idea how many aircraft the State would have to buy and pilots they would have to pay to do this program on their own?? Only Alaska has a wolf control problem...Only Alaska has the huge expanses of territory that need to be covered. Just because one of these hunters is smiling does not mean they did not contribute to a valuable program..the amount of money they get by selling the hides no where near repays the cost of the flight time.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Go here and learn.
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http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=cont...
Then try to say your garbage is factual.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Alright, I will try and say it:
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My garbage is factual
Well, that was easy.
Why shouldn't I be able to say that?
Repbulicans have been saying that for years.
As for the site:
went there, read that.
Was unimpressed.
It still came down to pretending it had to be done to save the poor little caribou.
and it is still a sick practice; which only malevolent souls would easily justify
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Hunting animals from airplanes and watching them suffer from bullets in their backs is not contributing to a 'valuable program.' It's the action of a coward, with a sick mind. IF the state of Alaska REALLY wanted to cull wolves, they would do it humanely. Professionals would be in those planes, shooting darts into the wolves that would give them a humane death, QUICKLY! Not some SOB who gets a thrill out of watching an animal suffer at his hand, and paying big money to do it! And that's what this is about. Pulling in the big money for the right to participate in the slaughter. You can spin it any way you want. People who participate in this kind of 'hunting' are sick bastards! And anyone who tries to say it's 'OK' is no better.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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Here are the bare facts: As a gubernatorial candidate, and since she was elected in 2006, Palin has promoted aerial wolf and bear shooting, which is usually done with a two-seat, fixed-wing Piper Super Cub in winter, when the animals can be tracked more easily. In March 2007, Palin's administration announced that it would offer $150 for the foreleg of each freshly killed wolf, in order to encourage hunters.
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Palin also proposed legislation in 2007 that would have allowed aerial shooting, under a "predator control" program, of wolverines as well as brown bears and wolves, and would have eased some of the requirements the state had to meet before approving airborne predator control in a given sector. The bill passed the House but died in Senate committee last spring; Palin has vowed to reintroduce it.
For more details got to factcheck.org. That's where i found the original rebuttal link.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_th...
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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By the nature of the comments of those that defend this form of "sport" it is no surprise that Alaska has the highest rate of rape cases in the U.S. as well as the highest incidence of alcoholism. One would expect a drunken rapist to enjoy torturing an animal before putting it out of its misery. Palin's most avid supporters...
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Not a stupid comment at all. There are people in our midst with the ethics of sewer rats. That includes the clowns that get a thrill out of watching their bullets torture those animals with a slow and painful death. Just like rapists, they believe themselves to be 'entitled' to hurt other creatures with no remorse.
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DaneL1 year, 2 months ago
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"That includes the clowns that get a thrill out of watching their bullets torture those animals with a slow and painful death."
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Bullets don't cause a slow and painful death...bad shots do. You read toooo much peta propaganda. You want to see painful death watch wolves rip into an elk.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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When you have nothing intelligent to say you call people names...Nowhere in any of this have I referred to the program as "sport"
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Telling these lies about how the program is run may go over with the some people ..however the more intelligent ones will do a little research and find out just what the truth is.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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So tell me...
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Just how much do you know about the subject other than the mis-information that has been used here so far? Do you have any idea how much area we are talking about? Do you have any idea how many people depend on the moose and caribou that are being killed by these wolves? Do you even have any idea how many wolves are killed in the program?
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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abntv: it's not all about you. (thank God)
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Check out all the photos of aerial kills by these so called "hunters". Many of these "wolf trophies" show blood oozing from shots that were not fatal. What are they doing showing off their kills? Palin supports this and your absurd attempts to excuse it only reflects your own partisan views, but most people in this country abhor abuse and cruelty to animals.
Most people will not want to vote for Palin as they get to know what she is about. Of course, that does not apply to you. You would excuse all her obvious shortcomings to suit your own agenda.
BTWL The biggest hypocritical comment on this thread must be awarded to abntv for condemning name calling. The first person on this thread to call people names was abntv. He conveniently dismissed his opening comment about all of those he disagrees with by calling us "know nothings."
One must question whether that is rooted in denial, stupidity, or both. Of course, his next best response will be another immature personal assault; and in the words of his favorite leader, the great decider, "bring it on!"-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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None of this is about me...
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This is about the people that live in these areas and their ability to hunt moose and caribou for their livelyhood. Maybe you like the pictures of wolves caught in traps better. Have any of you bothered to look at the pictures of wolf kill sites where they have left most of a moose or caribou behind uneaten? -
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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This from the man that compares Christians to Hitler in at least three stories he has posted. Then he tries to say bad things about others when they try to give him information. Lets not let the truth get in the way of blasting Palin. Can't do that can you spadecaller. Your version is the only truth. Just like all liberals. Only the liberals have TRUTH on your side.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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If you want to talk about what this is really about..it is about people trying to smear Sarah Palin over a predator control program that has been in place since long before she came into office and a program that was voted on by the people of Alaksa...
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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The longevity of an evil, is not a justification of it.
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The previous support of diferent parties, is not a justification of it.
You keep insisting the act isn't evil, if you don't call it sport.
You keep insisting you know more about it than we do.
Let's keep it simple.
We think flying over a wilderness area and running a wolf across the wild
till you can blow it away, - is a cruel and unnessesary action.
It is not wildlife management.
it is not hunting.
it is not efficient; - it is a sacrilige against life.
And those who support it, with their deep love of caribou and moose numbers,
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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The fact is I know more than about this alot of peopple on this topic...
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I have worked with the Dept. of Fish and Game..I happen to know Dave Kellyhouse perosnally..he is a good man, although sometimes says things he shouldnt. The fact is the State started this program long ago and it has worked for the most part where it is used..It is not a blanet Alaska program..it is only used in areas of high wolf concentrations. There will be no upset of natural cycles. When you introduce man into the food chain you must allow for a new balance..and I can tell you right now..you will not take man out of the food chain in Alaska-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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no one is trying to take people out of the food chain.
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Are you confused, or trying to confuse?
And skip your credentials;
We don't care if you are Palin's gun polisher.
The issue is whether it is moral or nessesary to hunt wolves from the air.
It isn't either.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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abntv thinks he knows more than everyone else on this subject, but that is his/her first big mistake.
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In an effort to tip the balance of nature in favor of moose and caribous, some Alaskan officials had decided to start shooting wolves from airplanes over a huge portion of the Alaska wilderness.
By reducing the number of wolves that prey on big-game animals, these Alaskan wildlife officials hoped to produce a bounty for hunters and tourists. Its motivation was rooted purely by the revenue it might create.
"We feel we are going to create a wildlife spectacle on a par with the major migrations in East Africa," said David Kelleyhouse, director of the Alaska Division of Wildlife Conservation. "Mom and pop from Syracuse can come up here and see something that they can't see anywhere else on earth."
The sorely misguided Alaska Board of Game set in motion a major reordering of the predatory chain in a habitat often referred to as the American Serengeti. The move promised to affect the populations of the nation's biggest herds of moose, dall sheep, caribous, wolves and grizzly bears into the next century.
But biologists not connected to motives of profit overwhelmingly agree that the state has entered a dangerous phase of "playing God," that will so upset the natural cycles that it will actually produce fewer animals. The consequence of this inhumane practice will not produce the results these shortsighted wildlife officials are seeking.
This is not a program that will benefit the wildlife balance that is now under serious assault as some may want to you to believe.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Did you bother to go to the web site posted by abntv? Of course not. Why would you want to see what it is really all about. You know better than the people studying the area and the wildlife populations. It must be nice to be so intelligent that you consider yourself more knowledgeable than the people studying it first hand. b
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bubba21 year, 2 months ago
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I expect you haven't bothered to read this info --
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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bubba,
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These kind of right wing extremists do not read material that conflicts with their preconceived ideas.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
—Herbert Spencer
Have we not seen enough contempt already?
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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As usual Endo cherry picks her sources and then dismisses independent and more reliable scientific information readily available. Endo's MO has become too obvious.
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Perhaps if we behave she will tell us a story about how homosapiens defeated the dinosaurs a few thousand years ago.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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I can't help being somewhat amused at abntv accusing me of using the wolves as just another way of smearing Sarah Palin.
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If you are that blind... who could possibly want to exchange ideas with you. The video is a true and heartfelt description of my respect and concern for the welfare of the animals that this ignorant operation is affecting. That I do not care for Sarah Palin has nothing to do with the fact that I would hold this same opinion regardless of what political persuasion the governor in question has.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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The fact of the matter is...there is more than one catagory of hunting in Alaska...and sports hunting is only one of them...sport hunting includes subsistance hunting...and many of the areas that this project covers are high subsistance hunting areas...so you can not take man out of the equation in Alaska.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Did you bother to go to the Alaskan web site that he gave you? I did. It is very informative with maps showing the areas where his is done and the result on the moose and caribou populations. But then facts were never one of your strong suites. Rather rant in ignorance. Like trying to say that Hitler was a Christian. This is in the same category. Ignore the facts you don't like and just spout your own version of what the supposed facts are.
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Go there and learn. I dare you.
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=cont...-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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You mean the ones that don't have first hand information about what is going on. Right. They will be so helpful. They can spout their ideas and not have to pay the consequences for their failure. This program has been an ongoing one for a long time. So how could these outside experts understand better than those studying and counting the different animals and keeping track of the population fluctuations. The ones that issue the licenses and see the effects of what happens real time.
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You probably will want to get some of those experts here in sunny Florida to comment on Alaskan wildlife. The gator counters talking about wolves, moose, and caribou populations. They can use their experiences with licenses here to manage those animals. What a concept.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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try this one for more truth, i have a hard time believing anything the government says any more. After this week and our sound economical "fundamentals", I don't trust any one in the government or any thing they say or promote.
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http://www.defendersactionfund.org/newsroom/sarah_...
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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I can't watch your post and after reading some of the comments can't even stomach my way through the thread. But I can prop you and say it is a great way to bring this brutal "sissie" sport to the home page!!
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Great job spade!
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cheese17561 year, 2 months ago
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I saw something like this by PhotoAnimationGuy on youtube. It's called Sarah Palin - Save the Wolves. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHCcunc7SHo
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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What lies? Do freaks pay to fly around in winter to shoot wolves in the back, letting them suffer a painful death? Yep. Do freaks pay big bucks for the thrill of torturing an animal? Yep. Did Palin put a bounty on them, and pay money for the severed foreleg of their kills? Yep. Did the people of Alaska vote this down? Yep. Did Palins pal put it on the ballot again with screwy language so that voting against it would be voting for it? Yep. OK, what "lies" are you talking about?
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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Again you are attributing your faults on others. Your opening statement on this thread started by calling everyone else "know-nothings"; now who is the grandiose, self-ordained know it all and wolf expert?
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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That is right. He lived there and learned about them first hand. But you living in the Suncoast of Florida know so much more about them than he does. Did I get that right? Do you see how silly you sound? If you were talking about Gators you might have a better chance.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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I would believe this website that has nothing to gain before I would believe a state website that makes money off of licensing.
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http://www.defendersactionfund.org/newsroom/sarah_...
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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Only a fool would fail to understand artistic license. No one is claiming that the video is a documentary. The fact that she has conducted aerial killing of wolves and has spent 400,000.00 of the tax payers money to fight those seeking a ban on the barbaric and misguided practice should be evidence enough of Palin's position. The video was an artistic statement genuine to its intended purpose. Your failure to understand that and to be able to appreciate it is your loss.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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TRUTHS:
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Governor Palin is an active promoter of Alaska's aerial hunting program whereby wolves are shot from the air or chased by airplanes to the point of exhaustion before the pilot lands the plane and a gunner shoots the animals point blank. The program also targets bears.
Palin offered a $150 bounty for wolves to entice hunters to kill more wolves in certain parts of the state, with hunters having to present a wolf's foreleg to collect the bounty.
She actively opposed a ballot measure campaign seeking to end the aerial hunting of wolves by private hunters and approved a $400,000 state-funded campaign aimed at swaying people's votes on the issue.
She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears and which would have also removed the aerial hunting initiative from the ballot and block the ability of citizens to vote on the issue.
The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs.
The media is currently looking into reports that state officials implementing one of the aerial wolf killing programs illegally killed five-week old wolf pups just outside their dens.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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These are all programs put in place by the Alaska Board of Game..made up of everyday Alaskans not Sarah Palin..and again
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This program was voted on and approved by the people of Alaska.
Predator control is not exclusive to Alaska..it is done in several other countries...
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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Truth:
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The Board of Game, which she appoints, Palin offered a $150 bounty for wolves, She actively opposed a ballot measure..... swaying people's votes on the issue, She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears, it is all "HER" aka Sarah Palin that is doing it and behind the Alaska Board of Game.
"This is not a sport hunting program.",
Why are sport hunter groups the biggest advocates of aerial hunting as opposed to advocates for the poor or hungry?
Why does the Palin administration allow out of state hunters to hunt and directly compete with rural hunters for supposed limited resources in most of the areas where aerial hunting is done?
Why, in most of the areas where aerial hunting is done, are a majority of the moose taken by urban and non-resident hunters instead of true subsistence hunters?
Why does Palin oppose what is called “rural preference” which would give true rural subsistence hunters priority access over sport hunters to the areas where aerial hunting is conducted?-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Ok lets take this one at a time.
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First...Palin is not the only politician in the state that opposed the ballot measure..most did.
The ballot measure would not have recieved near the votes it did if it had not been for the deceptive ads run by outside groups.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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"Sport hunting and subsistance hunting in many areas are the same thing."
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That right there is the heart of the problem, there needs to be a clear divide between them because one is not the other. One is necessary for life the other is a sport.-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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I agree there needs to be a clear divide between the two but they have been fighting over it for over thirty years..As I said before..there is no reason why someone living in Anchorage needs to be considered a subsistance hunter.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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In the info I read and I posted the link, it said nothing about any one living in Anchorage. I agree, people with access to grocery stores in towns don't need to be a subsistance hunter, but I understand wanting to have a freezer full of meat for the year.
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There does need to be a clear divide, but do to money, permit money, tourist money, that most likely won't happen.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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The reason for the high numbers of non resident hunters in those areas is because thats where the moose are..you are not allowed to hunt in downtown Anchorage or Fairbanks. Again urban hunters are subsistance hunters. Palin does not allow non resident hunters to hunt those areas..the State of Alaska does ...if it were up to most Alaska residents (including me) there would be a cap put on non resident hunting in Alaska
Palin opposes the rural preference because it is against the State Constitution. The State Constitution states that all game in Alaska is property of all Alaskans not just a select group..they have tried for years to rewrite that clause and have failed.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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"The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs."
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"The media is currently looking into reports that state officials implementing one of the aerial wolf killing programs illegally killed five-week old wolf pups just outside their dens."
Creeps.
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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Not exactly..
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What was proposed was limiting hunting by people not living in the bush...in other words..there are people that live in downtown Anchorage that claim the right to subsistance hunting..IMO that should not be allowed..they are allowed to hunt under the same rules as everyone else in Alaska they just should not get a subsistance allocation.-
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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No true, abntv,
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TRUTH:
Alaska governor loses subsistence rights appeal
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Filed Under: Law | Politics
An Alaska Native subsistence rights case that Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, appealed was rejected by a federal court on Tuesday.
In a unanimous decision, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals refused to overturn federal approval of a subsistence moose hunt in rural Alaska. The Cheesh-na Tribal Council won the right to expand its traditional and customary hunting area before the Federal Subsistence Board.
Palin's administration challenged the board's approval in hopes of limiting where tribal members could hunt. But the 9th Circuit said the evidence strongly favored the tribal council, whose leaders intervened in the case with the help of the Native American Rights Fund.
NARF attorney Heather Kendall-Miller represented the tribe and its president, Larry Sinyon. She cited the case in a widely-read critique of Palin that has been circulating in Indian Country ever since the governor was selected by Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) as his running mate.
"Palin's attack here has targeted (among others) the Ahtna Indian people in Chistochina; and although the federal court last year rejected this challenge, too, Palin has refused to lay down her arms," wrote Kendall-Miller and her husband, Lloyd Miller, another prominent Native rights attorney. "The battle has thus moved on to the appellate courts."-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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That is what I was referring to..
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The problem with the subsistance hunting laws is they are a blanket rule for everyone..what was attempted..and poorly I would add is to limit those rules to cover only the people that really need the subsistance grant.-
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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So the "Ahtna Indian people in Chistochina" is considered every one and not in need to subsistance?
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"former governor Tony Knowles (D) stopped the state from taking a significant Native rights case to the U.S. Supreme Court after meeting with Katie John, the Native elder at the heart of the dispute.
"We must stop a losing legal strategy that threatens to make a permanent divide among Alaskans," Knowles, who remains popular among Alaska Natives, said at the time. "I believe Alaska must do everything it can to protect, not fight, the subsistence rights of rural Alaskans."
The whole thing is right here:
http://www.indianz.com/News/2008/011017.asp-
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abntv1 year, 2 months ago
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This is all part of the same fight...
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Who has the right to be a subsistence hunter in Alaska?
But it goes directly to my point..
The true subsistence hunter is the one that benifits the most from this predator control program..until non-resident hunting is brought under control it will continue...the hunting guide lobby in this state has an incredible amount of power...us poor local hunters have no backing.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Dear Diety, Maker of the Wolves:
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We thank you for the predator from the north;
for when you chastise us, you show us worthy of correction;
And Ms. Palin's presence on the scene is one hell of a chastisement .
PS I would like a pony,
and Mutania wants some kind of miracle Nov 22,
but isn't being specific.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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We must keep a postitve attitude. And about that pony... it reminds me of the story of the boy shoveling vigororously on a huge pile of horse manure in his backyard that was left by the gardners. When a curious neighbor spotted the boy digging, he asked him what he was doing. The boy responded with a big smile on his face, "With all this horseshit, there must be a pony buried under here somewhere."
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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I have to leave this thread spade, I will have wolves in my dreams......
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I have worked with wolves and know they are not the most charming of wildlife, but they serve a purpose. Wolves are equal to our canine companions, and I must add much smarter, then "Dog's" and I don't think Americans would take to the sport of shotting dogs, we humanely euthanize unwanted dogs, we don't shot them.. I think that is the point, "Humanely"
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ind061 year, 2 months ago
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I really don't understand why anyone would hunt for anything other than a true and desperate need for food.
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As a teenager in Arizona I was given a rifle for my birthday and decided one summer morning, on a whim, because I was bored, to go hunting rabbits.
The long and the short was I won. I killed a rabbit. Because I was bored and hunting was supposed to be fun.
It really wasn't any fun at all. That rabbit had a life, I don't care what anyone says, or sneers, it wanted to live, it hung on to its life, it ran itself ragged to stay alive. Just as no man wants to die no animal wants to die either. But that rabbit died. Because I was bored.
I guess to some people this will seem stupid, or inane, or "liberal" , hey whatever. I never killed anything for "fun" again. Target practice, yes, shooting skeet, sure. But no more hunting. Because killing things for "sport" is no fun at all as far as I'm concerned.
The difference I see in any "sport" hunting is simply that it's a more expensive way to say "I was bored, so I thought I'd kill something."
The reason there were hundreds of rabbits around for me to shoot at was because a few years earlier, Arizona had embarked on a program of "predator control" and offered am enticing bounty for killing coyotes. It didn't work out, but I guess a lot of guys who liked to kill things when they were bored got their jollies out, oh and got paid for it too.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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Spade, there is gaming going on with the system see this story"
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/06/scandal-...
I have been keeping track of the reads and they are out of site, they are manipulating the reads of the story and it is rising to the top of the page even though there are only 15 props and 20 some posting, this is not a good thing. It is the same people gaming the site.-
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Aerial wolf hunting is not new to Alaska. Congress made it illegal years ago. Then came the ploy of overpopulation, so special 'teams' were allowed to cull wolf packs. Then Alaskans voted it down completely. Yes, they said NO to wolf hunting. Then along came a creep in Palin's administration who put it on the ballot again, with confusing language that got it passed. I heard people at an Air America town meeting in Alaska who were furious that they had been deceived by that ballot measure. Following is a piece on the issue, and the timeline.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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Thanks jordan. I feel better knowing that Palin and her band of right wing zealots are not typical of ALL Alaskans. I would imagine that Palin's political career will eventually end up like Florida's favorite girl, Katherine Harris; in the hopper.
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lewby54-591 year, 2 months ago
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McCain and Palin are losers, they are also mean people.
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Ask McCain about his "close friend", and donor/fundraiser,G Gordon Liddy. The bungling Watergate burglar/convicted felon/4 year inmate. They have a "close association". Thats just what America needs , the guy who felt inspired after a Hitler speech, wandering the Whitehouse.----again? right.
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Justice4All1 year, 2 months ago
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Reminds me of what they call deer hunting in Texas.
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In Texas they set of automatic feeders several weeks before the season starts. The feeder will dispense some corn every day at the same time. Then on opening day you hide behind a tree a few minutes before the timer dispenses the corn and wait for the dear who have been trained to show up at the same time every day.
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72LIAME1 year, 2 months ago
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HUNTING FOR "SPORT" TODAY--IS NOT HUNTING..THERE IS NO CONTEST WHEN MAN HAS A GUN THAT REACHES OUT HUNDREDS OF YEARDS,, AND A WILD ANIMAL..I SAY--GIVE THAT WILD ANIMLA A GUN, AND LET HIM GO AFTER THE HUNTER..YOU WOULD SEE EVERY "HUNTER' RUN FOR COVER...
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WHAT EVER MAN TOUCHES--HE SCREWS UP--THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PERFECT..BUT--WE SHOULD LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES..
NOT TO SAY THERE ARE NOT TIMES WHEN A HERD, OR FLOCK MAY NEED CULLING.. AGAIN--BECAUSE OF THINGS WE DO--WE ELIMINATED WOLVES IN THE WEST...SOON WE WERE INUNDATED WITH OTHER ANIMALS...SO WE PUT THE WOLF BACK TO KEEP OTHER ANIMLALS AT LOWER LEVELS..WITH TOO MANY OTHER ANIMLAS--THE WOLVES INCREASE IN NUMBERS,,BUT--WAIT--THE EXTRA WOLVES WILL KILL THE EXTRA OTHER ANIMMLAS, AND SOON THERE WILL BE NORMAL NUMBERS OF EACH...THE OPERATIVE WORD HERE IS---"WAIT"...AS FOR RUSSIA=='WAIT" SOME DAY THEY TOO WILL JOIN THE HUMAN RACE..I HOPE.. -
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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Greed continues to lure people into actions that are detrimental to conservation and to protecting our wildlife from eventual extinction. Playing God with nature has proven to be costly and ineffective. Tourism in Alaska should not be the motivation behind aerial hunting of the wolves, but it is. Some want to deny the truth only because it suits their politics. These are not virtues or actions that are for the best interests of us all, Repubican or Democrat.
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lloydm651 year, 2 months ago
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not2needy:I will gladly build you a soap box,if only you could have a little sympathy for the tiny ,and helpless child who in some cases is killed just seconds away from becoming citizen of these united states of America.I have no problem with your Wolf story even though it's a pile of buffalo chips.Many years years we hunted wolves for the bounty.They were killing livestock daily.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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The National Humane Society has never before endorsed a Presidential candidate....until now. They support Barak Obama, & the link will explain why.
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https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-descripti...
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