Troops Backing McCain 68% to 23% »
Posted By Wolfie2007 9 months ago in Political NewsSen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military' s professional core, though race appears to be a decisive factor for career-oriented black service members, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers indicates.
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Wolfie20079 months ago
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McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.-
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Karlyc9 months ago
This is only surprising to people who are so partisan they do not wish to acknowledge the obvious.
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spkguy9 months ago
Why retired Generals and Admirals support Barack Obama
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donald519 months ago
It says its a "voluntary" survey Wolfie, so you don't get soldiers coming forward to go against their repug chain of command! There is a reason why Faux Fox News is mandated in all too many military dayrooms and hospital lounges. These guys are fed the Bush lies on TV and by their chain of command all day - I heard it for over 24 years, the lies that the repugs will take care of you and the dems won't!
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Another reason, the Air Force times cators to the military industrial complex attitude and cues to the same right wing, bigot pilots who tubed Kerry in the swift Boat commercails, the ones that kill from afar and go back to have a cold beer and laugh about how many people they may or may not have killed that day, collateral damage be damned!
Remember Air Force General Myers as Head of the joint chiefs telling the military he would tolerate no dissent to the decision to do torture? See how Dumya has polluted our military like the Department of Justice! -
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ISITJUSTME8 months, 4 weeks ago
The headline is not reflective of the facts stated in the article.
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The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
If it is not representative of the whole, then why print this crap. Okay, I got something you can print. The Smiths support McCain 70 to 30% but we don't count the grandparents or grandchildren; nieces and nephews either because it will tilt it in Obama's favor.
This is absolute madness. When will it end? Nov. 4th. -
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amervtrn8 months, 4 weeks ago
People who have served their country and lived through the Leftist party disasters of the past know how dangerous and counterproductive it is to have an inexperienced coward at the helm.This is supposed to be an election for president not PR rock star. You are hiring the CEO of Firm USA. Who do you want to run the firm, a manager with over 25 years experience or the newly hired stockboy?
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If you complain about Palin's experience to be VP candidate where does that leave Obama? She has more real experience than he has. Or is Obama really running as Biden's VP?
My fellow Americans, you have just witnessed the end of the USA and the constitution if this is allowed to go unchallenged. Our so called Representatives have, against expressed desires of those they swore to represent, blatantly sold us and our children into slavery. The SCAM BAILOUT bill will not cure the problem. It will compound it. There are three things to do. Mount a Constitutional challenge, vote each who is up for reelection and voted yes out of office, and start recalls on those who are not up for reelection this election. Save THE USA while we still have the time. To say I am throughly disappointed and discussed, is an under statement. The true feeling is much like the feelings I have had putting fallen comrades in body bags. Those who voted for this, PORK BARREL SCAM BAILOUT, have put The USA and The Constitution in a body bag.
Do you wonder why the DOW went down after the vote for the SCAM BAILOUT? Because it marked the end of free representative America! Communism is bad for business ! -
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hyperbola8 months, 4 weeks ago
Well Wolfie, the "selected" group polled are those that profit from the enormous corruption in the Pentagon and the "iron triangle". Sad to see that our military leadership has become so corrupt.
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The Pentagon Bailout Fraud
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/29/the-pent...
... In other words, sometime in 2009 the direct costs of the war the Bush administration once predicted would cost perhaps $50-60 billion in total will stand at more than $800 billion, or $100 billion above the cost (if all goes well, which it won't) of the bailout of the financial system now being proposed in Washington.
Estimates of the true long-term costs of the President's war of choice, including payments of health care and veterans benefits into the distant future, soar into the budgetary stratosphere. They range from the Congressional Budget Office's $1-2 trillion to an estimate by economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes of up to $4-5 trillion. So we're talking somewhere between one-and-a-half and seven bailouts-worth of taxpayer dollars flowing into the morass of disaster, corruption, and carnage in Iraq.
There has been much moaning, air-sucking, and outrage about the $700 billion that the U.S. government is thinking of throwing away on rich New York bankers who have been ripping us off for the past few years and then letting greed drive their businesses into a variety of ditches. In fact, we dole out similar amounts of money every year in the form of payoffs to the armed services, the military-industrial complex, and powerful senators and representatives allied with the Pentagon.
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Wolfie20079 months ago
The liberal democrats will try with everything they've got to keep these votes from counting, too. Ballots sent from democrat controlled states won't arrive on time or they will say the ballots weren't returned on time. They'll do whatever it takes to cheat the men and women in the armed forces to keep their votes from counting. It's just part of the job description for liberal democrats.
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nostalgia9 months ago
That is what happened in 2000 in FL
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Did you ever read the ruling from the U.S. District Judge Lacey Collier
"It is truly an unfortunate circumstance when a citizen of the United States is denied the fundamental right to vote, whether residing in one of the several states or residing overseas," Collier wrote in his ruling. "It is even more unfortunate when a vote cast by a member of the armed forces serving abroad is rejected for no legitimate or compelling reason."
"It is unfortunate that Florida will accept an overseas absentee ballot with an unsworn, handwritten date, yet questions the oath, under penalty of perjury, of many of its service men and women," Collier said.
And don't forget - many of the troops were angry when Obama scrapped
his visit to a military hospital in Germany
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DropkickaLib9 months ago
I heard that the troops were overwhelmingly against the Republicans. Hey, maybe the Dems were referring to the enemy rather than our troops!
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nostalgia9 months ago
There are many Democrats right here on Propeller who claim the troops overwhelmingly support Obama
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Goppy9 months ago
Not just claim nostalgia.
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Repeat the truth.
Check it out.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-dep...
The troops support Obama over McCain 6 to 1.
Heck, our troops even support Ron Paul over McCain!
Get it?
NOBODY cares about Johnny Shapeshifter. Patriots have observed that we simply cannot afford Welfare for the Wealthy and Erratic Foreign Policy any longer.
Only embittered, cynical, American Government Hating people prefer McCain.
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Goppy9 months ago
No problem there ... when votes came in from overseas in the 2000 election ... many did not pass the minimum requirements.
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But the RNC had pre-positioned their bevy of lawyers to intimidate precinct reps into allowing them to be counted.
See, in 2000, it's true ... more troops DID vote for George W. Bush. They thought ... 'hey ... he's one of us.'
But after 8 years ... our troops have felt the sharp sting of betrayal from this administration.
Our troops have not forgotten that just recently, John McCain fought against every initiative for our troops ... most notably ... an expansion of the G. I. BILL. ... ... ... ... ... the benefits therein the Republicans have been whittling awat for 40 years now.
Our troops know who supports them.
If you support our troops, support who they want to become President ... Barack Obama!
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cleare9 months ago
why "Of course...", saraturner??? you think they like getting shot at, or blown up by ied's in 120 degree heat??? especially after there were no wmd??? no victory parades with flowers thrown by grateful mobs??? that many are there on their 2nd, 3rd & 4th deployments and still don't have a strategic goal for victory???
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yeah sure they'll vote for more of mcsame.
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Goppy9 months ago
The GI Bill has been one of the most effective Government Programs of this century.
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In spite of this ... Republicans ... citing cost ... have persisted in cutting, gouging, limiting, and otherwise short changing succeeding generations of soldiers from the benefits of this program.
Republicans even voted against a Democratic proposal to expand educational programs for returning Iraq vets ... especially critical because the overlong deployments from the Bush Stop Loss program .... were causing many vets to lose their jobs.
But Republicans are very, VERY thrifty when it comes to our troops.
They let Walter Reed deteriorate, they let soldiers housing deteriorate throughout the nation, and they send soldiers into battle without appropriate materiel.
So do Republicans thrift extend to ALL aspects of the military?
NO.
Republicans LOVE to spend money on their own PRIVATE ARMY ... the BlackWater Army.
BlackWater Soldiers make as much as $150,000 a year (some make even more) ... while the AMERICAN soldier is lucky to make $25,000. Are Republicans outraged by this? Do they mind THIS cost? NOPE!
It's no wonder our troops support ANYONE but a Republican this election cycle.
If you support our troops ... vote for the candidate they support .... Barack Obama.
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NoWayMan9 months ago
in the piece, scroll down, then click on "methodology" for this survey and you'll see that over half of the participants are RETIRED.
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meanwhile, according to many sources (one being Rupert Murdoch's NY Post) Obama has a 6-to-1 edge in donations from ACTIVE military stationed abroad, including in Iraq.
so, while McCain has the backing of the retired soldiers, Obama has the backing of the soldiers who are actually doing the fighting right now. -
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smithichie9 months ago
FTA-"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services".
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Not much of a surprise that Korean War Vets aren't voting for Obama. -
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Goppy9 months ago
I understand that ... Military Contractors especially want McCain ... after all ... while McCain has been dutiful in voting AGAINST the GI Bill ... or ANY increase in benefits for our troops and vets ... Johnny has been very busy supporting Military Contractors.
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Many ex-military now work for these Military Contractors.
These Military Contractors don't care about America ... they only care about profits.
To them ... warfare is simply one more product of the economy. That's why they supported Bush and that's why they support McCain.
They ESPECIALLY love McCain because of his stance that he is willing to stay in Iraq even for 100 years!
These Military Contractors and ex-military who work for the contractors hear these comments and say ... "McCain's the guy ... McCain means JOB SECURITY!"
But to the SOLDIER ... and to the VETERAN .... especially our WOUNDED veterans ... men and women who have been neglected in our hospitals which have been incompetently run ... to the SOLDIER ... Obama is the guy.
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NoWayMan9 months ago
except the ones on active duty abroad. they want Obama by a margin of 6-to-1.
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donald519 months ago
GLee. why is your head up dumya's arse?
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They don't want a guy who can't tell suni from Shia, the iranian versus afghan border, strategy versus tactics, who lost 5 planes, who gaduated in the bottom of his academy class and who has made a travesty of the honor code he had as a cadet and an officer!
A man who caved on his own Anti-Torure Bill and wouldn't support the Webb GI Bill! Then threatens two more wars (iran and Russia)!
The surge is a success when politcal gains are made is what Petraeus said! Dumya got neither his long term base aggreeement or his long term oil deals! Iraq can be a Shia'a theocracy like Iran in a heartbeat too! Security without political gain is failure! McCain blew this one too!
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hefaa19 months ago
"FTA-"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services".
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Your are correct.
The first sentence of the article states, "overwhelming support from the military's professional core" in other words, "lifers" The old guys who have been in the military their whole life. I wonder what would be the outcome of this bias poll if the Air Force Times asked the young foot soldier going door-to-door in Iraq who they support.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008...
The reason this story has not been debunked is.....it's true. Your headline and poll are a bias piece of crap. -
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Grrr9 months ago
First, it's not 'troops'. There's lot's more I could find fault with in this attempt to spin info as only a mindless shill can, but they always slip somewhere and let some real information get through...Huh. The article says the same poll in 2004 netted Kerry only 16%. So we're gaining ground even among officers that are willing to respond to a voluntary survey conducted by a military publication? Wow.
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I don't think you're making the case you thought you were, Wolfie. Not with this data, anyway. -
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donald519 months ago
you wouldn't get it anyway with your head so far up some repug's arse you can't see the light of day, much less the truth!
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donald519 months ago
Cite where you got your lie about Barack cutting the military - you are a liar! He does want to cut the cost overuns that Dumya has allowed with his sole source, unaudited contracts against government procurement policy! The war profiteeering condoned by Repugs must stop - too many sweat deals to Cheney's crony friends!
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Soldiers respect McBush for his being a PW, but not his using his former PW status as the foremost rationale for why he should be president! Then his absolute poor judgement to chose Palin!
Rummy was going to cut two active duty Army divisions before 911. Dumya cut the Palladin and Commanche helicopter too and still hasn't plused up the military from his 2004 promise. Even Kerry said he'd plus-up the special forces when he ran! ALL FACTS that you can goggle!
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Tcaros9 months ago
Wolfie are you trying to imply this is a reflection of the military as a whole?
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Tcaros9 months ago
Read the second paragraph:
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"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
This means NOT the military as a whole, but just the subscribers to the "military times" who completed the survey.
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Goppy8 months, 4 weeks ago
I'd like to address a comment proffered by Cloud above.
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Cloud claims that our troop's support for Obama ... represented by the 6 to 1 ratio of monetary donations in favor of Obama ... is not unlike a poll.
Only in this case, the poll is clearer ... and more reliable.
For instance, when Polls are taken, they select a very small number of people and project support amongst the general population. This is STANDARD practice.
For an entire County, a poll may interview a mere 1,000 people.
I feel pretty confident that more than 1,000 soldiers donated to Obama's campaign. So ... if you look at this monetary support of 6 to 1 ... one could extrapolate there is very strong support for Obama.
Will 6 soldiers vote for Obama to every 1 for McCain? I don't know ... but you cannot deny the numbers ... you cannot deny the commitment of our soldiers to support Obama.
Again I remind you ... our soldiers do NOT make a big salary. So many of them must feel VERY STRONG in their support for Obama.
So once again, I say ... if you support our troops ... shouldn't you be supporting the candidate for president that THEY support?
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lovemylibs8 months, 4 weeks ago
I've never seen so much mental masturbation of statistics as this.
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All of my liberal brethren made great efforts a few months ago to ejaculate headlines to the effect of: "Troops Support Obama 6 to 1 over McCain."
In deference to Paul Harvey, here is the rest of the story.
This 6 to 1 figure is accurate when you consider the caveats of the data.
Caveat # 1 - These figures represent active, overseas military who made contributions of over $200.
Caveat # 2 - Donations of these type for Obama = 134 donations.
Caveat # 3 - Donations of these type for McCain = 26 donations.
Caveat # 4 - These donations are through June 2008.
Caveat # 5 - Since Palin was announced these numbers have changed.
Caveat # 6 - There are approximately 250,000 active military in overseas operations.
SO - using a handy calculator, these statistics show that the donors to Obama represent a sample size of less than (0.1%). That is statistically too small of a number to use to correlate into a liberal stance of "Troops support Obama 6 to 1."
It is not reliable to say these numbers can be extrapolated, as is standard polling practice, into a general statement of the same level of support in terms of overall numbers. Polling asks questions, donations represent monetary gifts.
One can not be used to represent the other. It is wrong.
Any headline at the time that read "Troops support Obama 6 to 1" was a lie. Howard Dean even made it a talking point for the base to use, as shills are prone to do.
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Goppy8 months, 4 weeks ago
Not only is it not a scientific poll ET, it's an exceedingly small snippet of the military not even associated with our troops overseas.
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Put another way ... it's simply another effort by those who promote the Neo-Conservative mantra of Welfare for the Wealthy to divide our nation.
How pathetic is it that these citizens try to mis-speak for our troops?
How unpatriotic is it to willfully misrepresent our overseas troops ... who are in harm's way ... as somehow supporting McCain ... when clearly ... they do not.
The data indicates they clearly support Barack Obama .. then Ron Paul ... then ... in a distant third place ... is John McCain.
Perhaps they feel the same way that redtomato feels ... that McCain is a 'doddering old fool' ... as redtomato used to call McCain ... when this member posted as AlphaGnosis.
Or maybe they look at the way he abandoned his wife and kids when he returned from Vietnam.
Our troops see that and think .. that's just like a 'Dear John' letter ... in reverse.
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amervtrn8 months, 4 weeks ago
People who have served their country and lived through the Leftist party disasters of the past know how dangerous and counterproductive it is to have an inexperienced coward at the helm.
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