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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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I know hyper. There is an attack on the voters of this country and people just aren't saying anything about it. The Republicans are losing and they have started to attack the voters. This is a coup de'tat on our Democracy. People seem to feel that the latest Palin story is more important this is really sad.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Jovial, put a bit more in the summaries of your stories. Many people will read your summaries even if they don't go to the origianl source and read the whole article.
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...No concrete evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States has ever surfaced. Many election integrity experts believe claims of voter fraud are a ploy by Republicans to suppress minorities and poor people from voting.
Historically, those groups tend to vote for Democratic candidates. Raising red flags about the integrity of the ballots, experts believe, is an attempt by GOP operatives to swing elections to their candidates as well as an attempt to use the fear of criminal prosecution to discourage individuals from voting in future races.
In March, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration held a hearing and heard testimony from election integrity experts who said voter fraud is a “myth” and voter identification laws actually disenfranchise legitimate voters.
Indeed, in a column published in the Washington Post last year, Justin Levitt, an attorney and expert on voting issues who teaches at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, and Jeff Milyo, a professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia department of economics, said "the notion of widespread voter fraud... is itself a fraud. Evidence of actual fraud by individual voters is painfully skimpy."
ACORN has long been a target of Republican Party operatives dating as far back as the 2004 presidential election. But the accusations of malfeasance have never been supported by evidence....-
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Natureboy1 year ago
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"...No concrete evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States has ever surfaced. Many election integrity experts believe claims of voter fraud are a ploy by Republicans to suppress minorities and poor people from voting."
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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I seem to recall that the GOP coup d'etat of the American Republic actually occurred back in 2000. Reinforced in 2004. 2008 -- more of the same. If the poll margins are so extreme come November that they can't steal it believably, something will occur that will cause the election to be "postponed". If that happens, see you in DC. You bring the torch, I've got a pitchfork.
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Stay tuned, if they'll let you.-
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bigurn1 year ago
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Yes, if we lose a legal election, let's burn the place to the ground. Intimidate others into letting us have our way, despite democratic principles which suggest otherwise.
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There's a new book out called "Slouching Toward Socialism". Perhaps you've read it?-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Well bigurn, we have known for sure for several years now that the US Supreme Court not only violated that Constitution in 2000, but also awarded the presidency to a fraud. Remember the repubs assualting the polling stations then?
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From Research in Review Magazine, Florida State University, Fall/Winter 2005:
Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000.
... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....
http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/features/battle...
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bigurn1 year ago
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Voter involvement is very important. Voter fraud is a crime.
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Just last night, the US District Court found Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in violation of election law. It's the SECOND TIME. She's appealing of course, but she is trying to register people who don't show credentials.
ACORN has three arms: 1) Voter registration, 2) Mortgage and Finance and 3) Community activism. They have been investigated for fraud and convicted many times of registering people under false names, registering dead people, etc. etc. They claim that "they can't be expected to get every one right".
ACORN also pressured Fannie and Freddie with NAACP-style boycotts if they did not provide mortgages to people who clearly had no business getting a mortgage. I can cite the specific legal cases when I get time.
ACORN's community activism arm is generally their mouthpiece. The say that their activities aren't illegal, and that a ubiquitous "they" is out to get them.
The "they" in this case is the Judicial System, because ACORN is engaging in illegal activity. The sad thing is that by thwarting the system, they hold down the very people they purport to prop up. This is because it's all about power for them. They are funded by the government (which will hopefully end soon), and it's raining money on them.-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Well, this is the latest GOP scam on voters bigurn. By now Americans should be smart enough not to fall for the GOP frauds.
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GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Scam Rolls Out In MO
Remember yesterday when we told you about the transcript of the Fox & Friends show yesterday morning, discussing the bogus raid of an ACORN office in Las Vegas, and then implying "more" ACORN "voter fraud" occurring in Missouri? The RNC actually issued that transcript verbatim as an official RNC press release. Remember when we told you that, given the hints within the RNC/FNC report that swing state MO was likely next on the RNC/FNC/FBI hit-list?
Well, late last night, AP delivered right on schedule, open their story with "Officials in Missouri...are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states."
The report quotes GOP tool & Jackson County (Kansas City), MO election director, Charlene Davis complaining they are "bogged down" with registrations right now, and insinuating that it's ACORN causing the problem for them.
Of course, as with the pageant staged in Las Vegas, the Missouri action is also a scam. Read a little closer into the AP article, and you'll see the tell-tale signs of this October "Surprise" joke rather clearly...
"I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all."
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Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards - 85 of them duplicates.
"They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000."-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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... So Davis --- who just happened to have played a key role in the recent arrest of a Missouri election integrity advocate for committing the crime of trying to legally cast his vote --- doesn't "even know the scope of it", but is happy to suggest ACORN has done something amiss. That, even as ACORN hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since August. (Not to mention the fact that, as we've pointed out now several days in a row, ACORN verifies every single registration form, and when they can't, they flag them as potentially fraudulent before turning them into officials, as they are required by law!)
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...ACORN's Midwest director Ordower is not surprised by this wholly stated October "Surprise", and neither are we. We've been reporting on its rollout for about 4 years. It was only a matter of time before it showed up again in our old home state of MO --- not coincidentally, the home state of the GOP's "voter fraud" cappo, Thor Hearne.
"It's par for the course," [Ordower] said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote." ....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00153.htm
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lfergie8121 year ago
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Why don't you put you links where your moth is? All I've been able to find on convictions has been accusations on right wing "news letters" with no basis of fact.
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Kenneth Blackwell was the biggest offender of voter fraud in the state of Ohio and delivered Ohio to Bush in the 2004 election by unethical practice. It was Blackwell's strategy to cause problems in Ohio by limiting voting machines in Democratic areas and have an abundance of machines in Republican districts. Illegal?? Probably not. Unethical?? Yes because there were people waiting for hours to vote and were still trying to vote even after the polls were suppose to be closed.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004vote...
So now that Ohio voted his rear out of office, Republicans are again crying foul.
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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The point of the story is the active attack by the GOP on this group that registers voters. The story can't discuss guilt or innocence since these recent developments have just developed now, but the point is that the GOP and this administration have been harassing this organization for years and have come up empty handed every time. They even fired judges because they wouldn't prosecute Acorn and their employees on flimsy evidence. That is extremely partisan by even the most casual standards.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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It stands to reason that the Republican will attack anything they can't control. I still remember the fraudulent vote count in Ohio during the 2004 election. Bush had more votes in a precinct than the population of the whole district but with the state under Republican control, nothing was done about it..
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miklkit1 year, 1 month ago
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This article helps explain your point.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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Thom Hartmann had a guy on his show a week or two ago who apparently gave sworn testimony that he is positive that Ohio was stolen in 2004 (This guy was and is a republican who works on internet, online, etc security for banks and other financial institutions. He said that because votes are anonymous there is no way that electronic voting can EVER be made secure because you can't link a vote to a person). Has anyone heard anything more on this?
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Klarisa, The GOP has, through state GOP governments, attempted to purge tens of thousands of legitimately registered voters in 6 battleground states in the past few weeks. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgI986w-MBkcTA...
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GOP operatives also still own the companies that manufacture electronic voting machines with no paper audit trail. In elections where those are used, the programmer decides who wins.
I would not be the least surprised if ACORN registered a few people in duplicate, or let people register under the name of someone who's dead. But there have been investigations of Acorn over all the years they have been in operation and none has EVER found any wrongdoing.
Meanwhile, the New Republicans appear to be the masters of voter fraud. Nothing's changed since the Watergate break in that was aimed at stealing an election for the Repugs.-
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beavith11 year ago
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then why NOT support showing ID at the polls?
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all you libs seem to be OK with just a bit of fraud, but hold on- ID is too hard to get or provide. one would thing that ID would prevent any machine scams, too.
but no. you couldn't do that. that's a republican initiative.
can i just make a resolution: resolved: we want to see fair and clear elections.
i'd say ACORN wouldn't get behind that....-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Here in my state, they have a list of all the registered voters in a given district. I had to show multiple IDs to get on the list. No dead men can register unless the living person creates a viable fake driver's license with their picture and the dead man's name. I reckon doing that would be equally challenging to Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike.
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When I go to vote, I give them my name and address. They check a checkbox beside my name. So each person on the list can only vote once.
So does voter fraud ever happen? Of course. Is it exclusively favoring Democrats? Hardly. The very strong evidence is that the Republicans are guilty of truly high-level voter fraud and election rigging. -
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dunkirk1 year ago
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If you want a fair and clean election why dont you require paper trails of ballots??? You seem to indicate you WANT fair and clean but only as far as it disenfranchises voters and then only those who tend to vote Democratic ( i really thing it has to do with the close relation to Democracy in the name o fthe party). Yet when all is done and there are questions on ballot counting and actual voting the Repugs seems to want eveyone to turn a blind wye to it. Maybe you can explain how a company that makes ATM machines (ever see one of those that doesnt give a Paper receipt) cant manufacture a voting machine that produces one???
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Acorn was busted for voter fraud in Seattle a long time ago!!!>>>
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Nope. It was a lie perpetrated by CONS, and there was no evidence. Sorry. You lose. Take some time to look around google. They were investigated in WI. No evidence. You talk about a 'pattern.' Only pattern we've got going here is the typical lies of CONS. And you're helping them. Hmmm, so what does that make you, I wonder.....
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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This is the reason that those attorneys were fired by Bush after the last election. They would not bring bogus cases to trial without evidences so the Bush administration had them removed and replaced with "yes" men/women. After those attorneys were replaced some of the new attorneys filed charges that were dismissed in court. All this is a desperate attempt by the RNC to disenfranchise voters that have the legal right to vote. Now if that isn't going after a group I don't know what is. Unless I missed something along the way, it's the election boards job to authenticate these ballots and not the federal attorney's.
FTA "Walsh said there have been ongoing complaints that ACORN has submitted voter registration forms rife with erroneous information. But it's unknown how many of bogus forms were submitted." What this means is they have no evidences of a crime and are on a fishing expedition based on complaints from the RNC.
If they have proof that ballots were submitted illegally than prosecute but they have no business interfering with the election process by riding roughshod over the voters.
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FSU92grad1 year, 1 month ago
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"This is an important story which deserves a lot more visibility."
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Important to who ? It's crap...If this pans out to be true and the ties to Obama come out, which it will, You guys will be scratchin' your head in November wondering what the hell happened...
$800,000 has gone to ACORN from Obama's campaign...to help in this so-called "education" and "registration" drives....Stanley Kurtz has written brilliantly on this issue and explain's Obama's attempt of social engineering our markets....
Pull your head's out of your a$$es and you might be able to connect the dots....-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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$800,000 to ACORN? That's great. I'm sure if McCain wasn't running out of money he would donate to the Republican voter drive but because you're losing the registration drive, you cry foul. Of course McCain's drop in the polls doesn't influence your concern now does it. You guys are a joke. You should take your own advice and pull your head out of your ---well you know.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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You and your idiot friends have been claiming that various information would come out about Obama including the "proof" that he is a Muslim since the primaries first started and as usual nothing ever comes out because it doesn't exist, except in the twisted fantasy world you seem to inhabit.
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Just your typical made up crap.
It is you you need to pull your head out of your a$$-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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bruhaha
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When these allegations first started coming out I wondered where they were coming from because they weren't on the MSM and I don't listen to Limbaugh so I was kind of at a disadvantage. Since that time I remember one of these radicals saying "it's in the book about Obama and I read it". After a little Googling, I came across this article from FactChecker.org that debunks the book.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dul...
In this article are links to other accusations that were debunked by them as well. I found it very interesting and it explains where these false rumors originated.-
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Charlson1 year ago
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What's so incredible is that these idiots still use this debunked material and don't even think some of you aren't going to call them on it. And what's sad is that they either don't know what they're repeating are lies or they don't care. Either way, they look stupid and vile.
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lfergie8121 year ago
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These people know they're lies because they're been called on them many times. Also,they don't care because they want to win at any cost.
The McCain campaign manager has already stated that even though they are not substantiated fact, he will continue to use them if they help McCain in the polls. And that was his statement on the"lipstick on a pig" comment Obama used to describe McCain's plan for change..
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dunkirk1 year ago
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Yes if you look at what the Repugs moan and groan about its typically those things that work to show the true hypocrites they are. One of the best was a tirade by one of the rights top posters complaining that if Obama was elected it would mean a free college education. HORRORS.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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The voting registration illegalities are just the tip of the iceberg as far as ACORN goes. The foundations that Obama and Ayres served on funneled money to ACORN among other very left wing groups. ACORN is part and parcel of our financial mess we are in now. Stanley Kurtz who has been digging into the Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers has published what has been uncovered and led to other findings.
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Obama trained the leadership of ACORN. What did ACORN do in the finance area? They pressured banks to make bad loans under CRA. They filed complaints, flooded the banks with disreputable people driving away customers, picked the banks and homes of their officers. This from news paper stories at that time. When the banks eventually told ACORN that they could not make any more of those loans because Fannie and Freddy would not accept the loans with only a 5% down payment. ACORN then turned into a lobbying organization and started pushing for reform of the rules that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac had as far as the rules of the loans. Democrats were friendly to the idea but it was not until Clinton took office that things started to be worked on in congress. By 1995 the laws were in place. Coincidentally that is the year that the CRA upgrades were put into effect.
What this means is that Obama was a behind the scenes player in part of creating the financial mess that we now enjoy. Obama was ACORNS lawyer and staff trainer. He fought some of their legal battles to implement this policy.
Much more details in the writings of Stanley Kurtz.
http://www.eppc.org/scholars/scholarID.81,type.1/p...
I bet that the liberals will rant a lot about this post. They will go ballistic. Obama and ACORN helped actively create the mess we are in. They will say it is a lie. The problem is facts are facts. What Stanley Kurtz wrote is mostly reporting of facts. Poor libs.-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Ah my how fast endo must lie to us to try to cover up GOP corruption! I have linked an article just above your comment where you can start to educate yourself. It is time to label your constant smear attempts for what they really are: extremist, anti-american, anti-democracy rants by goons.
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Obama the Subhuman
Increasingly, right-wing conservatives and Republican political leaders are issuing dire warnings to the American public that they – and only they – are the legitimate rulers of the United States and the world. This basic contempt for anything but one-party rule is manifested in a number of dire threats repeated by the party, with its members promising the end of Western civilization as we know it if they lose their dominant status in government. A review of Conservative and Republican contempt for bi-partisan politics is in order....
- On the culture war front, Republicans and conservatives have been unrelenting in their religious fanaticism and racism. Residents of West Virginia and Arkansas have received mailings directly from the Republican National Committee warning that liberals will ban the bible....
- Right-wing pundits, echoed by major conservative political leaders, have warned that a victory for Barack Obama will be a victory for Islam, radical terrorism, and anti-Americanism....
- Conservative legal officials have essentially declared war on the Democratic Party, not for violating the law, but due to their own ideological prejudices. Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was recently exposed for allowing politically motivated prosecutions against prominent Democratic political officials....
None of these right-wing hit jobs or smear tactics should strike voters as merely "more of the same" negative politicking in an election season....
The Democrats' attempt to appeal across party lines has clearly not been the preferred tactic of the Republican Party. Angry over their likely loss of power in the upcoming election, they have become increasingly desperate in their attacks on the Democrats and the legitimacy of the two party state. This is particularly disturbing at a time when it is becoming harder and harder to discern concrete or substantive differences in the economic policies of the two parties. In reality, Obama and Biden's vague references to "regulation" don't amount to a whole lot when they fail to follow them up with actual policy proposals. That these Democrats are demonized by Republicans as sub-human, dangerous, or terrorist is more a sign of the growing extremism of conservatives than of the moral weakness or treachery of the Democrats. The Democratic Party today may be morally bankrupt, spineless, and bland, but none of those are anywhere near as dangerous as the Republican Party's fundamentalist contempt for multi-party elections and bi-partisan politics.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/09/obama-th...
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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Here's a link, that connects Obama as ACORN's lawyer. Obama help ACORN sue banks to force them to make bad loans.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/09/obama-su...-
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dunkirk1 year ago
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Ummmmmm Wolfie you seem to be showing the same astute reasoning skill most of the right is showing. The story deals with redlining, which IS illegal. BTW did y9ou know less then 20% of the mortgages that will be purchased by the taxpayers arefrom banks?? The majority are from mortgage brokers who fell outside the scope of the CRA bill? ROFLMAO, in other words that didnt cause the economic meltdown the REPUBLCIANS greed caused the meltdown.
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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Here where you read about Obama's membership with the Socialist party.
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