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Posted By jovial 1 year, 1 month ago in Political NewsFor the past several weeks, Republican operatives have been stepping up their efforts in critical swing states claiming voter registration groups have been engaged in a massive voter fraud effort in an attempt to influence the outcome of November\'s presidential election.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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I know hyper. There is an attack on the voters of this country and people just aren't saying anything about it. The Republicans are losing and they have started to attack the voters. This is a coup de'tat on our Democracy. People seem to feel that the latest Palin story is more important this is really sad.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Jovial, put a bit more in the summaries of your stories. Many people will read your summaries even if they don't go to the origianl source and read the whole article.
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...No concrete evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States has ever surfaced. Many election integrity experts believe claims of voter fraud are a ploy by Republicans to suppress minorities and poor people from voting.
Historically, those groups tend to vote for Democratic candidates. Raising red flags about the integrity of the ballots, experts believe, is an attempt by GOP operatives to swing elections to their candidates as well as an attempt to use the fear of criminal prosecution to discourage individuals from voting in future races.
In March, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration held a hearing and heard testimony from election integrity experts who said voter fraud is a “myth” and voter identification laws actually disenfranchise legitimate voters.
Indeed, in a column published in the Washington Post last year, Justin Levitt, an attorney and expert on voting issues who teaches at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, and Jeff Milyo, a professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia department of economics, said "the notion of widespread voter fraud... is itself a fraud. Evidence of actual fraud by individual voters is painfully skimpy."
ACORN has long been a target of Republican Party operatives dating as far back as the 2004 presidential election. But the accusations of malfeasance have never been supported by evidence....-
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Natureboy1 year, 1 month ago
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"...No concrete evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States has ever surfaced. Many election integrity experts believe claims of voter fraud are a ploy by Republicans to suppress minorities and poor people from voting."
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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I seem to recall that the GOP coup d'etat of the American Republic actually occurred back in 2000. Reinforced in 2004. 2008 -- more of the same. If the poll margins are so extreme come November that they can't steal it believably, something will occur that will cause the election to be "postponed". If that happens, see you in DC. You bring the torch, I've got a pitchfork.
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Stay tuned, if they'll let you.-
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bigurn1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes, if we lose a legal election, let's burn the place to the ground. Intimidate others into letting us have our way, despite democratic principles which suggest otherwise.
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There's a new book out called "Slouching Toward Socialism". Perhaps you've read it?-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well bigurn, we have known for sure for several years now that the US Supreme Court not only violated that Constitution in 2000, but also awarded the presidency to a fraud. Remember the repubs assualting the polling stations then?
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From Research in Review Magazine, Florida State University, Fall/Winter 2005:
Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000.
... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....
http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/features/battle...
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bigurn1 year, 1 month ago
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Voter involvement is very important. Voter fraud is a crime.
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Just last night, the US District Court found Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in violation of election law. It's the SECOND TIME. She's appealing of course, but she is trying to register people who don't show credentials.
ACORN has three arms: 1) Voter registration, 2) Mortgage and Finance and 3) Community activism. They have been investigated for fraud and convicted many times of registering people under false names, registering dead people, etc. etc. They claim that "they can't be expected to get every one right".
ACORN also pressured Fannie and Freddie with NAACP-style boycotts if they did not provide mortgages to people who clearly had no business getting a mortgage. I can cite the specific legal cases when I get time.
ACORN's community activism arm is generally their mouthpiece. The say that their activities aren't illegal, and that a ubiquitous "they" is out to get them.
The "they" in this case is the Judicial System, because ACORN is engaging in illegal activity. The sad thing is that by thwarting the system, they hold down the very people they purport to prop up. This is because it's all about power for them. They are funded by the government (which will hopefully end soon), and it's raining money on them.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well, this is the latest GOP scam on voters bigurn. By now Americans should be smart enough not to fall for the GOP frauds.
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GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Scam Rolls Out In MO
Remember yesterday when we told you about the transcript of the Fox & Friends show yesterday morning, discussing the bogus raid of an ACORN office in Las Vegas, and then implying "more" ACORN "voter fraud" occurring in Missouri? The RNC actually issued that transcript verbatim as an official RNC press release. Remember when we told you that, given the hints within the RNC/FNC report that swing state MO was likely next on the RNC/FNC/FBI hit-list?
Well, late last night, AP delivered right on schedule, open their story with "Officials in Missouri...are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states."
The report quotes GOP tool & Jackson County (Kansas City), MO election director, Charlene Davis complaining they are "bogged down" with registrations right now, and insinuating that it's ACORN causing the problem for them.
Of course, as with the pageant staged in Las Vegas, the Missouri action is also a scam. Read a little closer into the AP article, and you'll see the tell-tale signs of this October "Surprise" joke rather clearly...
"I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all."
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Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards - 85 of them duplicates.
"They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000."-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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... So Davis --- who just happened to have played a key role in the recent arrest of a Missouri election integrity advocate for committing the crime of trying to legally cast his vote --- doesn't "even know the scope of it", but is happy to suggest ACORN has done something amiss. That, even as ACORN hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since August. (Not to mention the fact that, as we've pointed out now several days in a row, ACORN verifies every single registration form, and when they can't, they flag them as potentially fraudulent before turning them into officials, as they are required by law!)
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...ACORN's Midwest director Ordower is not surprised by this wholly stated October "Surprise", and neither are we. We've been reporting on its rollout for about 4 years. It was only a matter of time before it showed up again in our old home state of MO --- not coincidentally, the home state of the GOP's "voter fraud" cappo, Thor Hearne.
"It's par for the course," [Ordower] said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote." ....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00153.htm
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Why don't you put you links where your moth is? All I've been able to find on convictions has been accusations on right wing "news letters" with no basis of fact.
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Kenneth Blackwell was the biggest offender of voter fraud in the state of Ohio and delivered Ohio to Bush in the 2004 election by unethical practice. It was Blackwell's strategy to cause problems in Ohio by limiting voting machines in Democratic areas and have an abundance of machines in Republican districts. Illegal?? Probably not. Unethical?? Yes because there were people waiting for hours to vote and were still trying to vote even after the polls were suppose to be closed.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004vote...
So now that Ohio voted his rear out of office, Republicans are again crying foul.
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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The point of the story is the active attack by the GOP on this group that registers voters. The story can't discuss guilt or innocence since these recent developments have just developed now, but the point is that the GOP and this administration have been harassing this organization for years and have come up empty handed every time. They even fired judges because they wouldn't prosecute Acorn and their employees on flimsy evidence. That is extremely partisan by even the most casual standards.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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It stands to reason that the Republican will attack anything they can't control. I still remember the fraudulent vote count in Ohio during the 2004 election. Bush had more votes in a precinct than the population of the whole district but with the state under Republican control, nothing was done about it..
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miklkit1 year, 1 month ago
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This article helps explain your point.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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Thom Hartmann had a guy on his show a week or two ago who apparently gave sworn testimony that he is positive that Ohio was stolen in 2004 (This guy was and is a republican who works on internet, online, etc security for banks and other financial institutions. He said that because votes are anonymous there is no way that electronic voting can EVER be made secure because you can't link a vote to a person). Has anyone heard anything more on this?
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Klarisa, The GOP has, through state GOP governments, attempted to purge tens of thousands of legitimately registered voters in 6 battleground states in the past few weeks. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgI986w-MBkcTA...
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GOP operatives also still own the companies that manufacture electronic voting machines with no paper audit trail. In elections where those are used, the programmer decides who wins.
I would not be the least surprised if ACORN registered a few people in duplicate, or let people register under the name of someone who's dead. But there have been investigations of Acorn over all the years they have been in operation and none has EVER found any wrongdoing.
Meanwhile, the New Republicans appear to be the masters of voter fraud. Nothing's changed since the Watergate break in that was aimed at stealing an election for the Repugs.-
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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then why NOT support showing ID at the polls?
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all you libs seem to be OK with just a bit of fraud, but hold on- ID is too hard to get or provide. one would thing that ID would prevent any machine scams, too.
but no. you couldn't do that. that's a republican initiative.
can i just make a resolution: resolved: we want to see fair and clear elections.
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Here in my state, they have a list of all the registered voters in a given district. I had to show multiple IDs to get on the list. No dead men can register unless the living person creates a viable fake driver's license with their picture and the dead man's name. I reckon doing that would be equally challenging to Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike.
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When I go to vote, I give them my name and address. They check a checkbox beside my name. So each person on the list can only vote once.
So does voter fraud ever happen? Of course. Is it exclusively favoring Democrats? Hardly. The very strong evidence is that the Republicans are guilty of truly high-level voter fraud and election rigging. -
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dunkirk1 year, 1 month ago
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If you want a fair and clean election why dont you require paper trails of ballots??? You seem to indicate you WANT fair and clean but only as far as it disenfranchises voters and then only those who tend to vote Democratic ( i really thing it has to do with the close relation to Democracy in the name o fthe party). Yet when all is done and there are questions on ballot counting and actual voting the Repugs seems to want eveyone to turn a blind wye to it. Maybe you can explain how a company that makes ATM machines (ever see one of those that doesnt give a Paper receipt) cant manufacture a voting machine that produces one???
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Acorn was busted for voter fraud in Seattle a long time ago!!!>>>
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Nope. It was a lie perpetrated by CONS, and there was no evidence. Sorry. You lose. Take some time to look around google. They were investigated in WI. No evidence. You talk about a 'pattern.' Only pattern we've got going here is the typical lies of CONS. And you're helping them. Hmmm, so what does that make you, I wonder.....
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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This is the reason that those attorneys were fired by Bush after the last election. They would not bring bogus cases to trial without evidences so the Bush administration had them removed and replaced with "yes" men/women. After those attorneys were replaced some of the new attorneys filed charges that were dismissed in court. All this is a desperate attempt by the RNC to disenfranchise voters that have the legal right to vote. Now if that isn't going after a group I don't know what is. Unless I missed something along the way, it's the election boards job to authenticate these ballots and not the federal attorney's.
FTA "Walsh said there have been ongoing complaints that ACORN has submitted voter registration forms rife with erroneous information. But it's unknown how many of bogus forms were submitted." What this means is they have no evidences of a crime and are on a fishing expedition based on complaints from the RNC.
If they have proof that ballots were submitted illegally than prosecute but they have no business interfering with the election process by riding roughshod over the voters.
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FSU92grad1 year, 1 month ago
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"This is an important story which deserves a lot more visibility."
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Important to who ? It's crap...If this pans out to be true and the ties to Obama come out, which it will, You guys will be scratchin' your head in November wondering what the hell happened...
$800,000 has gone to ACORN from Obama's campaign...to help in this so-called "education" and "registration" drives....Stanley Kurtz has written brilliantly on this issue and explain's Obama's attempt of social engineering our markets....
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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$800,000 to ACORN? That's great. I'm sure if McCain wasn't running out of money he would donate to the Republican voter drive but because you're losing the registration drive, you cry foul. Of course McCain's drop in the polls doesn't influence your concern now does it. You guys are a joke. You should take your own advice and pull your head out of your ---well you know.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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You and your idiot friends have been claiming that various information would come out about Obama including the "proof" that he is a Muslim since the primaries first started and as usual nothing ever comes out because it doesn't exist, except in the twisted fantasy world you seem to inhabit.
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Just your typical made up crap.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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When these allegations first started coming out I wondered where they were coming from because they weren't on the MSM and I don't listen to Limbaugh so I was kind of at a disadvantage. Since that time I remember one of these radicals saying "it's in the book about Obama and I read it". After a little Googling, I came across this article from FactChecker.org that debunks the book.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dul...
In this article are links to other accusations that were debunked by them as well. I found it very interesting and it explains where these false rumors originated.-
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
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What's so incredible is that these idiots still use this debunked material and don't even think some of you aren't going to call them on it. And what's sad is that they either don't know what they're repeating are lies or they don't care. Either way, they look stupid and vile.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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These people know they're lies because they're been called on them many times. Also,they don't care because they want to win at any cost.
The McCain campaign manager has already stated that even though they are not substantiated fact, he will continue to use them if they help McCain in the polls. And that was his statement on the"lipstick on a pig" comment Obama used to describe McCain's plan for change..
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dunkirk1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes if you look at what the Repugs moan and groan about its typically those things that work to show the true hypocrites they are. One of the best was a tirade by one of the rights top posters complaining that if Obama was elected it would mean a free college education. HORRORS.
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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The voting registration illegalities are just the tip of the iceberg as far as ACORN goes. The foundations that Obama and Ayres served on funneled money to ACORN among other very left wing groups. ACORN is part and parcel of our financial mess we are in now. Stanley Kurtz who has been digging into the Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers has published what has been uncovered and led to other findings.
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Obama trained the leadership of ACORN. What did ACORN do in the finance area? They pressured banks to make bad loans under CRA. They filed complaints, flooded the banks with disreputable people driving away customers, picked the banks and homes of their officers. This from news paper stories at that time. When the banks eventually told ACORN that they could not make any more of those loans because Fannie and Freddy would not accept the loans with only a 5% down payment. ACORN then turned into a lobbying organization and started pushing for reform of the rules that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac had as far as the rules of the loans. Democrats were friendly to the idea but it was not until Clinton took office that things started to be worked on in congress. By 1995 the laws were in place. Coincidentally that is the year that the CRA upgrades were put into effect.
What this means is that Obama was a behind the scenes player in part of creating the financial mess that we now enjoy. Obama was ACORNS lawyer and staff trainer. He fought some of their legal battles to implement this policy.
Much more details in the writings of Stanley Kurtz.
http://www.eppc.org/scholars/scholarID.81,type.1/p...
I bet that the liberals will rant a lot about this post. They will go ballistic. Obama and ACORN helped actively create the mess we are in. They will say it is a lie. The problem is facts are facts. What Stanley Kurtz wrote is mostly reporting of facts. Poor libs.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Ah my how fast endo must lie to us to try to cover up GOP corruption! I have linked an article just above your comment where you can start to educate yourself. It is time to label your constant smear attempts for what they really are: extremist, anti-american, anti-democracy rants by goons.
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Obama the Subhuman
Increasingly, right-wing conservatives and Republican political leaders are issuing dire warnings to the American public that they – and only they – are the legitimate rulers of the United States and the world. This basic contempt for anything but one-party rule is manifested in a number of dire threats repeated by the party, with its members promising the end of Western civilization as we know it if they lose their dominant status in government. A review of Conservative and Republican contempt for bi-partisan politics is in order....
- On the culture war front, Republicans and conservatives have been unrelenting in their religious fanaticism and racism. Residents of West Virginia and Arkansas have received mailings directly from the Republican National Committee warning that liberals will ban the bible....
- Right-wing pundits, echoed by major conservative political leaders, have warned that a victory for Barack Obama will be a victory for Islam, radical terrorism, and anti-Americanism....
- Conservative legal officials have essentially declared war on the Democratic Party, not for violating the law, but due to their own ideological prejudices. Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was recently exposed for allowing politically motivated prosecutions against prominent Democratic political officials....
None of these right-wing hit jobs or smear tactics should strike voters as merely "more of the same" negative politicking in an election season....
The Democrats' attempt to appeal across party lines has clearly not been the preferred tactic of the Republican Party. Angry over their likely loss of power in the upcoming election, they have become increasingly desperate in their attacks on the Democrats and the legitimacy of the two party state. This is particularly disturbing at a time when it is becoming harder and harder to discern concrete or substantive differences in the economic policies of the two parties. In reality, Obama and Biden's vague references to "regulation" don't amount to a whole lot when they fail to follow them up with actual policy proposals. That these Democrats are demonized by Republicans as sub-human, dangerous, or terrorist is more a sign of the growing extremism of conservatives than of the moral weakness or treachery of the Democrats. The Democratic Party today may be morally bankrupt, spineless, and bland, but none of those are anywhere near as dangerous as the Republican Party's fundamentalist contempt for multi-party elections and bi-partisan politics.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/09/obama-th...
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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Here's a link, that connects Obama as ACORN's lawyer. Obama help ACORN sue banks to force them to make bad loans.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/09/obama-su...-
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dunkirk1 year, 1 month ago
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Ummmmmm Wolfie you seem to be showing the same astute reasoning skill most of the right is showing. The story deals with redlining, which IS illegal. BTW did y9ou know less then 20% of the mortgages that will be purchased by the taxpayers arefrom banks?? The majority are from mortgage brokers who fell outside the scope of the CRA bill? ROFLMAO, in other words that didnt cause the economic meltdown the REPUBLCIANS greed caused the meltdown.
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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Here where you read about Obama's membership with the Socialist party.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/09/will-msm...
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 1 month ago
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It wouldn't surprise me if the republicans posing as ACORN reps are going around handing out phony registrations for propaganda purposes. Politics is a nasty game. They are good at being nasty, especially when you they are running far behind in the polls.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Republicans have organized around the issue of limiting voter turnout as a key tactic ... or should I say strategy?
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They do it like this ... "Democrats are 'gaming the system' ... therefore, we need to raise the threshold needed to vote in elections - restrict more citizens."
This ipso facto method is a favorite. And it's so easy. Make a spurious, unfounded charge ... then institute a heavy handed reaction.
This is how they were able to launch Propaganda Media like FOX and SBC ... and all those Right Wing Talk Radio Dis-Info-Tainers.
They 'worked it' for years and years that Mainstream Media was 'Liberal' ... in other words ... they INVENTED Left Wing Bias to INSTITUTIONALIZE Right Wing Bias.
Now ... they INVENT the issue of Voter Fraud ... to STEAL VOTING Rights from Americans.
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Just as an addendum ... this ideological effort was met with scorn ... even from the Right Wing Supreme Court.
Albierto Gonzalez tried to make a case for Voter Fraud ... he scoured the nation ... and all he came up with was a couple of cases where some old ladies with Alzheimers voted twice.
Like I said ... he was laughed out of the Supreme Court.
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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No doubt, they are waging war against the rights of the American voter, and have been for 9 years. It's how they stole the election in 2000 in FL, and 2004 in OH. Both states' voters were victims of roll purging orchestrated and perpetrated by the GOP.
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cosmogenium1 year, 1 month ago
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As well as many other methods. With so many methods of "fixing" the election in certain states being used, it was impossible to say that any one method or person was responsible for the "fix." A percent here, a percent there and eventually the vote goes the other way. Read "Loser Take All" or "Fooled Again" by Mark Crispin Glover. He did an excellent job of researching and reporting all of the fraud perpetrated by the Republican party from 2000 to the present. And no, he's not a Democratic.
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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Not true. It can be anonymous and totally transparent at the same time using a double blind identification system. If we're going paperless, it might as well be online. Why should you have to verify your account as a citizen any more thoroughly than your identity at an ATM machine? Completely real time tallying by zip code. No lump tallys, all one at a time scattered over a period, hard to mass-rig. Mass submissions from one region within too short of a period to statistically be coincident humans would trigger alarms, many other scenarios are preventable merely by algorithm monitoring, all entirely transparent to the world. If you wanted to rig it, you'd have to do it one vote at a time, to perpetrate enough to make a difference you greatly increase the chances you can be caught, especially digitally. You want to go look up your recorded vote by pin number seconds after you made it, or weeks, no problem (no possible backwards lookup to individual identity, self selected pin, or a pin derived from a selected algorithm and key applied to your SS#) Any group or individual that wants to confirm precinct tallys can go door to door with a phone-book sized printout of pin#s-to-votes and ask people to confirm that they indeed voted that way. No identification of the vote made by an individual need be exchanged to confirm the tally this way. "Hey, will you look in this book and tell me if this is right?" Thumb through book, look at page with a couple hundred listings on it, "yup". Thanks. That's all.
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Too many "nope"'s and a group can file a report and maybe get a judge to have the server logs unsealed for forensics if hacking or fraudulent attempts/tally are suspected, but other than that they should remain encrypted, sealed, and in a vault for perpetuity.
It's simple. They just don't want us to know that.
I've thought about building a demonstration site before, and frankly I'm amazed there aren't better concepts implemented out there already for testing.-
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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I should point out that the critical part that gives the lie to the "impossibility" theory, is that there need be no connection whatsoever other than at the time of voting, between your login and identity verification, and the selection of your pin and casting of your vote. Completely unnecessary to ever try and maintain any data correlating the two, just like a voting booth paper ballot, dig?
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Also, recounts need not be in person, that scenario works entirely digitally. The whole vote posted as a registry, you look up your pin, and can file a report if it doesn't match your vote. No identification necessary.
If shenanigans occur, and you should need to prove your pin is you to confirm reported fraud or something like that, you can provide the key/algorithm/system used to generate it from SS# as a check-sum. Coincident overlaps of potentially valid claims within zip codes would be very highly unlikely.
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cosmogenium1 year, 1 month ago
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BTW, this year the biggest fixes are in Virginia and Louisianna, though I'm sure Florida is still being messed with. Ohio actually passed some laws to decrease caging and challenging, but then again all the voting machines are now electronic in almost all states, so there's no telling how much the results are skewed (or is that screwed?). The EV machines account for some of the most grievous examples of fraud. In Ohio '04, there were many discrepancies between the number of registered voters and the number of votes for many districts, as in the number of votes exceeded the number of registered voters. There were also huge discrepancies between what the exit polls said about the presidential election results and the results filed by the districts (as much as 40%!). Interestingly enough, there was less than a 2% margin of error for all the other races, state and local.
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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Yeah, interesting.
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Simple fact is that NONE of the commonly used EV machines are secure, and there's no danged paper trail for a true manual recount should a judge or the state finally demand or let one happen. And the Supreme Court not block it.
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Mutainia1 year, 1 month ago
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LONG target of GOP operatives? Gad, I didn't hear about ACORN and Obama being a part of this devastingly corrupt scam until about four DAYS ago! IF the GOP has been targetting ACORN, they sure hid it from us all for the longest of time.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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There has been NO evidence found of voter fraud. And if there were, I wouldn't believe for a minute that it wasn't CONS doing the registrations forms, then running out the door to report it. Why do I say that? Because CONS have been engaging in CAGING (which isn't voter fraud, but election fraud!) And there has been MORE than enough evidence to indict people over it, including Florida officials! So why has nothing been done? Because the department of justice has been corrupted with CON appointments! Millions of us know this. Why don't you? This ACORN nonsense is a deflection to steal another election!
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http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/330/
As an American, YOU are obliged to educate yourself, and you won't do that watching a corrupted media for a few minutes after work every night. Do you know that Obama is suing the GOP for caging as I type this? I'll bet you don't. Go look it up!-
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HateKoolAid1 year, 1 month ago
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I'll have to admit being a little confused about this ACORN voter scandal business. What exactly are they accusing ACORN of doing...having a bunch of people in a room filling out hundreds of registration cards or turning in cards that have been filled out by people they handed them out to in neighborhoods??? If all they are doing is handing in cards that citizens have filled out and there are discrepancies on the cards how the hell is that ACORNS fault???
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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It's not ACORN's fault. On the voter registration cards here in California, your signature makes you liable to criminal prosecution if you willingly lie about the information on the registration card. ACORN or the legitimate voters shouldn't be punished for pranksters that lie on these applications. ACORN has no way of verifying the information that people choose to put on these applications. Since the intention of the pranksters is not clear, it is a witch hunt. It would be very easy for people to submit these applications and then call the news agencies and claim fraud.
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Wow dude!
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You don't know me, even a tiny bit.
There is not enough time in a day for me to fool around with such endeveors as playing some kind of marionette.
This story had too many comments in it for me to participate with my regular computer.
I have backspaced over a few mean replies.
The positive votes I pushed where probably very similar to yours.
But, none the less: what Klarissa said was consistent with what I have read, at least the wee bit I believe.
There is a lot I could say about piece work, or its failures.
Or about the difference between registration and actual voting.
But I guess it would be a waste of time.
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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What's wrong with that? It's only if they cheat or do something illegal that it becomes a problem. There have been cases where people have cheated and when that happens ACORN has reported it. Getting paid to register voters isn't by itself a crime.
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bruhaha1 year, 1 month ago
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The GOP through a temper tantrum about ACORN in 2004. I believe one of the fired US Attorney's was fired because he wouldn't bring bogus charges against ACORN. A US Attorney in Missouri brought, against standard operating procedures, charges against 4 ACORN members right before the 2004 or 2006 election in order to try to influence the election.
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I highly doubt you haven't heard of them.....I think you're just "playing" dumb
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/330/
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The corrupt department of justice has ignored voter caging in 2000 and 2004. When they were implored by Senators in 2004 to DO something, they instead turned to individual voter fraud, coming up with nothing. And of course the voter fraud was targeted at democrats. Caging is ELECTION FRAUD, and disenfranchises thousands. It's a felony and republicans have been under a court order for years not to do it..,.again. But they've done it with impunity, thanks to a justice department that works for the GOP and a corrupt media. Now once again they're deflecting to 'voter fraud' and ignoring the evidence of election fraud by republicans. Obama has filed a law suit against the GOP for it. Anyone hear about it in the MSM, more than just a little blerb? No, they haven't. But this they'll run into the ground. Our democracy is being destroyed by republicans. People had better get it through their heads, they either wake up and do something, or it's all over.
I've volunteered to help man a voting precinct, and will be keeping close tabs on how many people are asked to fill out 'interim' ballots. That's a clear indication that the person has been caged, & there is every evidence that their ballot will be tossed.
Surely people remember in 2004 that CNN got a court order to view a 'suspect' list compiled by Florida officials, naming thousands as 'suspect'? CNN found hundreds of people on that list posted as 'felons' who had never committed a felony! Because of the media coverage, Florida said it wouldn't continue with the list. Were they investigated by the department of (in) justice? Was anyone indicted for caging which is a felony? HELL NO! -
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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the guys on Wall Street poured more into dem coffers this year.
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so. who's their friends?
presuming a dem win in November, your friends are already a liability, because that's making you in league the thief and swindler.
funny. it cuts both ways....
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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And it gets worse:
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"Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times."
Here's the whole story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09vo...
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Still, because Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, any heightened screening of new applications may affect their party’s supporters disproportionately>>>>>>
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How interesting those states would be making 'mistakes' in a year when democratic registrations are up. This isn't a mistake at all! And how can we allow elections to go forward that clearly won't reflect the will of the people?????-
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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That's been my beef since 2000. And it won't stop until it's fixed. So what do we let them do? Eliminate the ballot paper trail. Genius. Now they can just lie about the numbers if they need to.
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Why is it only every four years everyone stops and looks around and says "WTF?", but then goes right on consuming and electing representatives and local leaders from the two 'lost' parties and not doing a danged thing about it?
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Grrr, though I am of the conservative (NOT Republican) persuasion, I couldn't agree with you more on distrusting E-Voting. Give me paper EVERYTIME, please! There's nothing like a paper trail to build trust in an election. That's why it was such a relief when the NEW YORK TIMES went over the paper voting of the 2000 Florida election and found the count to be in favor of G.W. Bush, who by the way IS NOT a conservative.
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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Heck, I'm a conservative. Which, originally, meant a non-interventionist both economically and militarily.
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But also, a real conservative doesn't believe socialism is a dirty word, either. Government IS socialism. The only question is how far it goes, and under what circumstances. And Jefferson was right. The only real good a government can possibly do for it's citizen's private lives is to provide for them in times of need. If it doesn't do that, it isn't government, it's institutionalized anarchy at the best, and probably really just thievery. Unfettered capitalism is what caused the current crisis we are muddling through, and socialism is the only check upon it. Unfortunately, just not the kind of corporate handout socialism the Fed is currently practicing, and the GOP has been practicing for the last thirty years. If we'd spent the 1.5 trillion dollars, which Paulson's Bailout package and Bernanke's bailout package today combined has cost us JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, if we'd spent that on job creation, I ask you: HOW MANY JOBS COULD WE HAVE CREATED WITH HONEST SOCIAL PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF CROOKED FINANCIAL SCHEMES?
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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Do you mean the illegal aliens, ex cons, prisoners, the entire football team from a different state, etc. These are some of the ones that ACORN has been signing up. This is old Democrat in Chicago stuff. The graves empty and vote on election day. Voter fraud and listen to the liberals cry now that they are being caught. Poor babies.
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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Please show the link to these allegations. If this is so and ACORN knew of these discrepancies and didn't report it then they broke the law. The caveat is that ACORN has never been CONVICTED of any of these crimes. All there has been is allegation after allegation coming from the right wing and the GOP.
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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From the NYTimes article:
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"Nevada officials said the large number of Social Security checks had resulted from county clerks entering Social Security numbers and driver’s license numbers in the wrong fields before records were sent to the state. They could not estimate how many records might have been affected by the problem, but they said it was corrected several weeks ago."
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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It's a Coup de'tat on the Democracy in this country. They are actively going after the voters in this country to influence the election. We as a people need to stand up now or forever lose the only power we as American citizens have left. If we lose the power of the vote, all bets are off! Justices that refused to prosecute Acorn employees were ousted by this administration. There is concerted effort by the GOP in this country to win the election in November by "hook or by crook".
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The Brad Blog is a good source of inforamtion on these voting issues.
http://www.bradblog.com/
Here's another good link to follow..
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/-
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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And Bush is not going to allow the election and his brown shirts are coming for you tomarow.
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You people never see the things that liberals do wrong. Something happens to a liberal with an Obama sticker on the door and its big news. Cars with McCain stickers on get keyed, tires slashed etc. and it is just ignored.ACORN is a far left wing group that Obama associated himself with. In Chicago the lawyers were trained by Obama and pushed Chicago to push harder on the CRA loans. Those loans that are part of the reason that we are in financial problems now. Then there are the voter registration drives where all sorts of people not allowed to vote are signed up. Prisoners in jail, ex cons, under age youth, etc.
Then you have the absolute nerve to say stopping this is a coup de'tat on democracy. Wrong ACORN is the coup de'tat.
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techsupport1 year, 1 month ago
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"In Chicago the lawyers were trained by Obama and pushed Chicago to push harder on the CRA loans. Those loans that are part of the reason that we are in financial problems now."
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Can you post credible evidence that Sen. Obama trained lawyers in Chicago to "push harder on CRA loans?" I'm not entirely sure what that means, but if you can give a link to your source perhaps I can get a better handle on it.
Bad CRA loans may have been arguably a symptom of the financial crisis, but not a cause:
http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/
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"Let me get this straight. Investment banks and insurance companies run by centimillionaires blow up, and it's the fault of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and poor minorities?"
"The Community Reinvestment Act applies to depository banks. But many of the institutions that spurred the massive growth of the subprime market weren't regulated banks. They were outfits such as Argent and American Home Mortgage, which were generally not regulated by the Federal Reserve or other entities that monitored compliance with CRA. These institutions worked hand in glove with Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, entities to which the CRA likewise didn't apply."
"...lending money to poor people and minorities isn't inherently risky. There's plenty of evidence that in fact it's not that risky at all. That's what we've learned from several decades of microlending programs, at home and abroad, with their very high repayment rates. And as the New York Times recently reported, Nehemiah Homes, a long-running initiative to build homes and sell them to the working poor in subprime areas of New York's outer boroughs, has a repayment rate that lenders in Greenwich, Conn., would envy. In 27 years, there have been fewer than 10 defaults on the project's 3,900 homes. That's a rate of 0.25 percent."
"On the other hand, lending money recklessly to obscenely rich white guys, such as Richard Fuld of Lehman Bros. or Jimmy Cayne of Bear Stearns, can be really risky. In fact, it's even more risky, since they have a lot more borrowing capacity."-
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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I misspoke, It was the ACORN staffers and not the lawyers that he trained.
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The amount of houses sitting vacant in the US is 14.3%. An significant number of them are foreclosures. Those loans were forced on the banking community with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac forced to loosen their tighter standards at the request of ACORN. Part of CRA modifications signed by Clinton as well as modifications to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac rules.
The CRA loans cause the poor to be able to get loans. That increased the demand for housing. At first the banks only made the less risky loans. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were forced to change their rules about the types of mortgages they would accept. As time went on the loans became more risky because of the saturation of the poor with better ability to pay. Then in 2005/6 the foreclosures started to be significant. That put more houses in a market where they were building homes as fast as they could. More houses than means price drops. Crash. The foreclosures triggered the crash.
See my above post about the findings of what has come out of the investigation of the parers of Chicago Annenburg Challenge that Ayres set up and Obama served as chairman of.
I refer you to several writhing of Stanley Kurtz who did the investigation of the papers after people tried to block his access to it. That led to other information and he wrote about what was found out in all of this.
http://www.eppc.org/scholars/scholarID.81,type.1/p...
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techsupport1 year, 1 month ago
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No reason to "weep" here. Stanley Kurtz is well-known as Sen. Obama's most vociferous detractor. He's been called a "hatchet man" by numerous observers (including Conservatives). The site you linked to features a number of articles by him, rather than one supporting the specific claims you have made. I have already read most of these articles, so I won't parse them individually. I know what Mr. Kurtz's views are on Sen. Obama. I also know that he's not terribly well-respected as a researcher. From the Chicago Tribune (a generally conservative newspaper that itself attacks Sen. Obama regularly):
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"Stanley Kurtz’ Work On Obama And The Annenberg Challenge Is “Alice In Wonderland Journalism – Conclusion First! Research Afterward!” On August 31, 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported, “Kurtz had just started poring over nearly 1,000 archival files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge at the University of Illinois at Chicago. But even before he’d gotten access to the documents, he’d assured National Review Online readers they would ‘provide significant insight into a web of ties linking [former Annenberg board chairman Barack] Obama to various radical organizations.’ This is Alice in Wonderland journalism—Conclusion first! Research afterward!” [Chicago Tribune, 8/1/08]"
I could post many more rebukes of Mr. Kurtz and his methods, but I'll leave that up to the readers here. Kurtz is known as a far-right journalist. His background is not in economics, but rather anthropology. Contrast his views on the economic crisis with those of an actual economist, Barry Ritholtz (whose blog is widely praised by both the WSJ and the NYT, as well as Business Week, Barron's and many other prominent trade journals):
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/mis...
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"The CRA is not remotely one of the proximate causes of the current credit crunch, Housing collapse,and mortgage debacle. As I detailed in Barron's, there is plenty of things to be angry at D.C. about -- but this ain't one of them.
If you were to ask me to reveal the prime causative factor for the Housing boom, I would point you to Fed Chairman Greenspan taking rates to 1%, and then leaving them there for a year. The prime factor in the bust was nonfeasance on the Fed's part in supervising bank lending, allowing banks to give money to people who couldn't possibly pay it back.
The root legislative cause of the credit crisis was excessive deregulation. From exempting derivatives from regulation (2000 Commodities Futures Modernization Act) to failing to adequately oversee ratings agencies that slapped a triple AAA on junk paper, the pendulum swung too far away from reasonable oversight. By taking the refs off of the field and erroneously expecting market participants could self-regulate, the powers that be in DC gave the players on Wall Street enough rope to hang themselves with -- which they promptly did."
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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The laws affected Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. The push on CRA was the trigger that caused Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to have their rules changed. That went across the board. Banks making CRA loans then sent their riskier loans to Freddy and Fannie. They kept the better ones.
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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There's a million reasons, none of them with a negative, unless you just don't want the truths to be apparent to casual observers. The single biggest bit of horribleness inflicted on propeller-heads by the redesign was the loss of that one simple feature.
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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As you can see by the amount of negative ratings the comments are getting on this story, it's clearly evident that conservatives don't want anyone to know what they are doing. It's time to call and write our Congressmen and Senators and tell them we won't stand for this clear violation of our rights.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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It's more evident that they're dupes, and too stupid to investigate anything being pointed out here. Only a dupe would back a political party that has caused THEM problems. Our economy is in the toilet, and here they are acting like fools. But then only a fool WOULD back the GOP.
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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ummmm, as we say in the science lab, negative evidence is not proof of anything.
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so, because no one has been caught there is no reason to keep your eyes open?
the storied history of Chicago and an FBI takedown in NV?
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Grrr1 year, 1 month ago
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There have been, like, two prosecuted cases of voter fraud in the last twenty years. Meanwhile the GOP's ELECTION FRAUD has disenfranchised thousands of voters and the resulting stolen elections have wrecked this country absolutely.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Here ya go beavis. This is FACT. All about your pals;
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http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-138.html
And yet you want to concentrate on rumor about democrats, and do nothing to concern your self with REAL election fraud. Are you for election fraud beavis? What would that make you, do you think?
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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the story you didnt see in the NYT...a dem front group..is the dozens of acorn staff indicted convicted and jailed for fraud , identity theft ,election tampering ,assault ,bribery..you name it ..they've done it..and its not just hearsay..right here in my own little pa town they sent a few of these acorns away for 3-5..this was local news..not swift boating..and this is obama's long time associates and pals along with bill ayers...do a little research..google acorn and indictments and you will get pages of news items reporting all this..but somehow none of it into the holy NYT..or obama's long-time connection with them
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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The story you didn't see on FoxNews was that those people were turned in by ACORN. ACORN has turned in some of it's own employees for fraud. So saying that it's ACORN's fault is BS. The GOP could be found guilty of all those crimes you just mentioned and quite a few more.
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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and here's another little co-incedence that the osamabama's wont explain..it seems that the law firm where osama and his shrew wife met also employed bernadette dorne and there began the long relationship with this known domestic domestic terrorists...who remain unapologetic about their murders and targeting of families and children..obama is a cheap thug chicago marxist pol with a con mans smile and fast talk
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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Hater! Is that all you got. Some conspiracy association? The fact is you can't accept the fact that an intelligent, eloquent black man is better than the sorry old fart and his assistant airhead that the GOP could come up with. LOL!
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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read the articles obama zombie...for years they have been convicted of one vote fraud after another..nothing to do with personal graft although personal enrichment is a big part of the obama crew.. like barry railing against corporate ceo greed while raines sits at his right hand..a man who looted fannie mae for 96 million in 3 years while cooking the books...
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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So, ninyo, I take it you're not voting for Obama. Your prerogative, of course. But you don't aid the opposition by your virulent, mendacious outbursts. Rather the opposite.
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ChefEOD1 year, 1 month ago
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Multiple states have convictions of multiple ACORN employees and you folks sit here and deny it has and is happening. I may not agree with many of you on many things but I at least thought you were standing for what you think is right. This only tells me you are either all liars or you don't care about the truth, or you just don't want to know the truth. So much for the self-proclaimed champions of a better America here in Propeller.
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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Pretty pompous of you to act like you have always been on the side of right. You and conservative friends have apologized, glossed over, excused GOP shennanigans time after time here on propeller. To try to show indignation at this point is laughable. ACORN at least is liable to the the justice system in this country. If they did wrong and had been convicted I would agree with you, but some people in your own party aren't liable to the justice system or even Congress. They have gotten away with much more than missing discrepancies on 50 registrations out of 100,000!
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ChefEOD1 year, 1 month ago
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Jovial, please show me where I have “apologized, or glossed over”, etc.? If you look into past posts of mine you would see that is not true. This administration (as well as every other one in history) has screwed up a number of things and ways. Just because I do not agree with the idea that they have screwed up EVERYTHING you wish to generalize and say I have no grounds to point out wrong doing with anyone else?
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And come on, you guys are brighter than that! A simple Google search on ACORN voter fraud convictions brings up page after page from state after state. NO the organization itself has not been convicted yet but really, when you have this many staff members getting convicted and admitting fraud is the organization itself really not culpable? Apply the same standard you would hold conservatives or a similar Republican organization to and the answer would be?
http://tinyurl.com/y4t2yb
http://tinyurl.com/3lk3mw
In Kansas City, where two Acorn workers have pleaded guilty to committing registration fraud last year while two others await trial, ONLY (ONLY?) 40% of the 35,000 registrations submitted by the group turned out to be bogus. But Melody Powell, chairman of the Kansas City Board of Elections, says Acorn's claim that it brought the fraud in her city to light is "seriously misleading." She says her staff first took the evidence to the FBI, and only then Acorn helped identify the perpetrators.-
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ChefEOD1 year, 1 month ago
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http://tinyurl.com/2xfyz2
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In 2006 ACORN registered 1,800 “voters” in Washington. All but 6 of the names were fake. Three of seven defendants in the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history have pleaded guilty and one has been sentenced.
HARTFORD -- The State Elections Enforcement Commission has opened an investigation into allegations that a community activist organization submitted at least 10 false voter-registration cards in Bridgeport. One of the phony registrations was for a 7-year-old girl in the Marina Village housing complex, whose age was listed as 27 on the voter card. Another registration came from a man who later said he couldn't have completed the voter card purported to be his because he was in jail on the date of the document.
The Michigan branch of Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), located in Detroit, is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The majority of the fraudulent and duplicate applications are coming from the liberal ACORN group based in Detroit, Michigan, which now has ACORN investigating the problem once again as well as the Secretary of State's Office turning over some of those applications to the U.S. Attorney's Office. According to the report by Freep.com, the spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office, Kelly Chesney, says there is a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications. And it appears to be widespread." A spokesman for the Detroit office of ACORN, David Lagstein, claims the problem stems from "sloppiness or incompetence -- not an intent to let people vote more than once."
http://tinyurl.com/5d3s79
Come on guys, right here you have evidence of the same "crimes" you have accused the GOP of yet here and now you choose to turn a blind eye or dismiss what is there - there too guilty of the same things you accuse others of.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Chef, I went and read your sources and mostly they do not add up to the kind of charges you (and others) are making about ACORN. Most of the sources refer only to allegations and not to court decisions. In other cases, the issues were resolved without ever going to court. Furthermore, in many cases it was ACORN itself that notified the voting authorities of apparent fraudulent activity, e.g. this case:
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ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted. "We're very happy that they were indicted," said Claudie Harris with ACORN.
Harris said ACORN workers are paid by the hour and not by the number of voter registration cards they turn in. "When you fraudulently defraud this, that gives us a bad name and what we're trying to do a bad name," Harris said.
ACORN officials said the four indicted have been fired.
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Furthermore, one should remember that these are not VOTES, but only registrations, which should be checked by those with the resources to do so (state officials).
Looks like the GOP is desperate for smears still.
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buddhaed1 year, 1 month ago
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I heard a rumor that GOP operatives have set up phony ACORN offices and turned in questionable applications along with legit ones. Election boards questioned the bad ones, but the numbers were enough to prompt them to negate, collectively, the good ones.
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buddhaed1 year, 1 month ago
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 1 month ago
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You know the Republicans are running scared.
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Because they voted for the idiot in charge the last eight years, then they built him up to be the greatest leader we have had.
Then the reality hit and they are faced with the truth that the worst leader we ever had is Bush. Bush has not been a leader so much as a blood sucking, greedy, lying, stealing, self serving hypocrite.
He has brought us to new lows.
Now they have to resort to every trick they can to stop the voters from throwing the Republican party out on its as* where it belongs in the cold snow.
Voter fraud is what they put out with every fraudulent ad stating that they are for America and its citizens. Registration fraud is what they do when they claim to be Americans, when they are greedy one worlders who could care less about America as long as they make money !!!!!!
What about the hanging chads that put Bush into office in the State where his Brother was the Governor. You know Florida in 2000. Because the greedy Bastar*s needed Bush to start the war for oil.-
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Hhussk1 year, 1 month ago
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haha, It's funny that idiots are crying about Bush, because this started in the Clinton Administration (Barney Frank and Chris Dodd). BOO HOO ::insert more democrats whining here::
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They cry about Bush being an idiot and then they nominate Obama, a total idiot.
They cry about Cheney running the White House and then their candidate nominate Biden, who says he'll have to teach Obama how to run things. Hell, EVEN Biden said Obama wasn't qualified to be President! HAW HAW HAW!
And to think Democrats are for people voting 10 to 20 times, in 10 to 20 states. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE! PASS THE BONG!
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markoller1 year, 1 month ago
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Who says there is not widespread voting fraud? The Republican Party controls all the voting machine companies, which are now computerized. There is little computers can not do. A good programmer could pull rabbits out of a computer.
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Some of the companies were started by gangsters and the two largest companies, Election Systems and Software and Premier Election Systems (formerly Diebold Election Systems) are run by Christian reconstructionist brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich. Their leader, Howard Ahmanson, is a leading stock holder. It seems strange that Diebold ATM machines are infallible, but their voting machines are no more dependable than slot machines.
It is not just the voting machines which are rigged. The election projections are rigged to make the outcome seem plausibe. See "Election Night Projections Cover For Vote Rigging Since 1964?" http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Proj...
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