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Posted By PinkyPie 1 year, 1 month ago in Political NewsThe mainstream media thought that the membership of Todd Palin, who is not a candidate for any office, in the Alaska Independence Party important enough to report in such outlets as the Los Angeles Times , MSNBC , and the New York Times , among others. So now that Barack Obama's membership in the far left New Party has been unearthed, will they report his membership in that Socialist organization?
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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I am not surprised but I am surprised this information was unearthed. Great post, thanks Pinky. I doubt if the msm even mentions it unless they are forced to talk about it. Fox did a news story on it tonight on the Britt Hume hour.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Here's what I'm surprised at.
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I'm surprised how little my fellow Christian Conservatives understand the labels they throw around.
For instance .... the current President ... the one y'all voted for ... is the closest thing to pure Socialist in our generation. MUCH more than Clinton ever was ... and more likely more than Obama.
Think I'm kidding?
Look at what has just happened.
GW came out of the White House a couple weeks ago to say that the Governement has to BAIL OUT Wall Street because 'Wall Street was taking losses'. (This was three weeks after telling the nation the economic fundamentals were strong)
It soon became apparent that the bill GeeDub was agitating for was a MASSIVE bailout ... with NO ACCOUNTABILITY and NO OVERSIGHT ... and no way for our nation to recoup this investment (bailout).
See?
That's called S O C I A L I S M.
Get it?
But what my fellow Christian Conservatives refuse to acknowlege is that this President has a long history of favoring SOCIALISM over Private Enterprise.
As you may remember, I've been giving the example about how GW got the City of Arlington to RAISE TAXES to build HIM and his PARTNERS ... THEIR baseball stadium.
That's pure Socialism.
Except ... in a perverse twist that only the most cynical business person could enjoy ... once the CITY built the stadium ... these business partners would OWN the stadium ... which they promptly sold after a short period of time.
That's where GW got his first money. ..
There are other examples from GeeDub as well.
For instance ... needing land to build this pean to Socialism ... GW used EMINENT DOMAIN to STEAL 200 acres from good, middle class citizens.
Some of them fought him in court ... specifically the Curtis Mathes family. But hey ... it's difficult to stand in the way of the Modern Republican version of Socialism.
See?
I mean ... I don't want to spoil your fun.
I realize it's a time honored ploy to call Democrats Socialists ... but considering the way the Republican Party has changed so dramatically the past few decades ... you might want to chill the smug stridency of these claims.
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Now ... I don't want to claim ALL Christian Conservatives are Socialists ... but all Conservatives are just a couple of steps away from Socialists.
And the louder they scream that 'those other guys are the Socialsists ... the surer you can be that they are covering for their own perversions of Capitalism.
More Bailouts anyone?
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Oh Georgia ... you simply are not reading my commentary.
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This thread screams about Obama's Socialistic tendencies.
I'm saying ... y'all have no clue about what Socialism is in this modern world.
And as an example ... I give you the bona fide Socialistic efforts from George W. Bush ... who y'all supported ... and probably still do.
Believe me ... there can be no greater evil that has befallen our nation than George W. Bush and his sick Neo-Conservative ideology and partisanship.
If you don't believe me ... just look around.
Look at our economy.
Look at our banking system.
Look at how our Judiciary has been politicized.
Look at our huge national debt (owed to Communists in China.
Look at our lowered standing in the world.
Look at the incompetent administration of the various wars this administration has embarked on.
Look at the partisan hatred that this administration has fomented.
It all adds up to evil of the worst sort.
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Now ... given all this evil that has befallen our Great Nation ... only someone who cared MORE about furthering the sick Neo-Con ideology above all else ... above what's good for our nation ... would vote for John McCain ... a man who has agreed with George W. Bush NINETY PERCENT of the time over the course of 8 years.
Personally, I'm voting for a change ... and I'm happy to say ... most PATRIOTIC Americans agree with me.-
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Apparently the problem is that you've never quite mastered basic math. Any number of zeroes, added in perpetuity, equals zero. Since all your accusations are self-defined and subjective, they total nothing.
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YOU SAY you are voting for a change. There is absolutely no evidence that Obama can or even intends to try to bring about positive change in this country. There is ample evidence that he lacks the conviction and character to do anything of the sort.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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There you go. McCain did not support ALL of bushes policies. He many times reached across the aisle for compromises. That is why he is called a maverick.
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On the other hand Obama voted 100% with the far left and has the record of being the most far left Senator based on his voting record. He never helped write a bill in the legislature or the senate. Never ever reached across the aisle. Never compromised a bit.
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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This is the change that Obama wants - but who will pay for it?
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Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in areas that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation.
The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
People up to age 25 could continue to be covered under parents' policies. Mr. Obama would create a National Health Insurance Exchange, described in campaign documents as "a watchdog group" that would be empowered to set rules and standards "to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible."
Obama proposes to achieve almost universal service for the nation’s 17 million college students by offering a refundable annual tax credit of $4,000 toward college tuition.
This program should cost about $65-100 billion a year, perhaps more if it substantially increases the number of students attending college. In return for the credit, college students will be required to perform 100 hours of community service every year for four years.
By offering college students a hefty $40 an hour, Mr. Obama will ensure that nearly every college student will participate in his program, without actually making their service mandatory. -
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StevieGee1 year, 1 month ago
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I agree with goppy basically all government is socialism. Apparently, Georgia, Endo, fsu, and the others want to give up their social security, law enforcement, Medicare, and... oh yea, their precious military. All of these are examples of socialism.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Thank you .... you are obviously able to see the big picture ... while the other members you mention ... well ... the picture for them is so clouded ... it's like they are so full of a non-specific rage ... it's filled their eyes with red ... and they simply cannot see straight.
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That's why they rely so heavily upon quick labels ... they don't have to think much about their meaning.
Actually, Stevie ... you probably caused a few aneurysms to explode with your broader view of the situation.
I'll keep a sharp lookout for Georgia, Endo, fsu to make sure they haven't collapsed.
Poor fellows.
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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Poor Goppy.
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Can't understand that the socialism and communism are the far left. He then weaves a silly thing about trying to label that on the right. Socialist concepts are health care for everybody from the government, guarantees of jobs, guarantees of education, etc. Of course they want to ignore the cost in money and liberties that will mean. Canada and Europe have had "socialized medicine" and are now starting to privatize it once again. Bureaucrats telling you who you can see and when with long waits. Costs going through the roof. That is just health care.
Change all right. $800 billion in new government spending. (Go to his web site.) only going to tax the rich more. That might get $40 to 60 billion. Where will the rest of the money come from Goppy?
Read about what Stanley Kurtz found out about your hero Goppy. Ties to ACORN who pushed banks to make bad loans to banks by strong arm tactics of having their lobbies filled with bad looking people, picketing the banks and homes of the bank officers and getting Barry to take one to court. Another story on the site right now is his case against Citibank. Your hero.
http://www.eppc.org/scholars/scholarID.81,type.1/p...
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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LOL!!!!
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I didn't think you could address the question directly.
The reason?
You haven't a clue.
But I 'get' ya Endo ... you're already tied up in pretzel logic twists trying to shoehorn your hardline, bitter, war mongering, bigoted view of the world into a facsimile of Christianity.
I can see why you have joined the Republicans ... I mean ... your RE-Invented Anti-Christian world view is as hypocritical as their Political Philosophy.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Well bless your heart.
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At least you TRIED.
I realize there's lotsa words ... some of them more than 3 syllables.
I've gathered that 3 syllables is your limit ... Ter - Or - Ist. ... Soc - ia - list.
Too bad for you that PATRIOTIC, PATRIOTISM, DEMOCRACY ... are all above that threshold.
Too bad for you ... and too bad for America.
Maybe that's why y'all seem so focused on HATING this great land ... and our system of Government.
I mean ... the hate just oozes out of y'all.
What's up with that?
Is that all part of that Christian Conservative Theology?
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Goppy,
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"That's called S O C I A L I S M."
Yeah, I get it. So let me get this straight. Because you perceive Bush to have advanced socialism in this country, this somehow makes Obama a better candidate because his track record and associations make still more socialism a near certainty?
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fishifanb1 year, 1 month ago
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I'd have to disagree.
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Bush & Company are Fascists in my book.
While the recent "rescue" plan might smack of socialism to some it is really crony capitalism with government leaders acting to bail out their wealthy friends and campaign contributors.
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 1 month ago
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Kinda like:
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"When Fascism comes to America it will be called anti-Fascism." - Attributed to Huey Long, governor of Louisiana
...right Gop'?
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When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. -Sinclair Lewis-
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Exactly PBT.
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Since Newt Gingrich inserted his anti-American twist on the Republican Party ... and the lemmings followed ... the Republican Party is probably our nation's greatest threat.
They dominate the airwaves with their Hate America Propaganda.
Their Info-Tainers Lie and Twist reality to fit their hardline values which are distinctly anti-American.
They have no compunction even of perverting Christianity into a doctrine of promoting Arbitrary Warfare ... Incompetence in Government ... and Denying Health Care to CHILDREN.
They vote AGAINST benefits for our Troops ... saying it costs too much ... then they don't blink as they pay PRIVATE SECTOR troops $150,000 a year!
The worst part ... they don't even listen to themselves speak!
Sarah Palin ... in her debate with Joe Biden ... says ... "We need Government to GET OUT OF THE WAY" ... (A favorite Right Wing line.)
Later in the debate ... Sarah Palin says ... "We need more oversight and regulation on the banking system to prevent this kind of trouble in the future."
My fellow Christian Conservatives are so twisted by their own illogic ... ... ... the poor dears don't know if they are coming or going ... favoring government ... .or hating government.
All they really know for sure is that .... anyone who doesn't think like them is a TERRORIST.
But when it comes right down to it ... it takes the mind of a Terrorist, an Ideologically Driven Nut Case ... to fathom any logic to their World View!
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Personally, I feel really sorry for them. My friends who claim to be Christian Conservative are really confused and conflicted anymore.
Sad.
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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actually, no. it doesn't have to. all the industries that Hugo Chavez nationalized in Venezuela, from oil to cement, are less profitable, less productive and provider of inflation to their economy.
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and nationalization is only viable as long as oil money comes in.
if there is any silver lining to this financial crackup, countries the likes of Venezuela, Iran and Russia are seeing a big drop in $. i think that'll humble them a bit, maybe cause a a bit of regime change. -
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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"Look at what has just happened.
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GW came out of the White House a couple weeks ago to say that the Governement has to BAIL OUT Wall Street because 'Wall Street was taking losses'. (This was three weeks after telling the nation the economic fundamentals were strong)
It soon became apparent that the bill GeeDub was agitating for was a MASSIVE bailout ... with NO ACCOUNTABILITY and NO OVERSIGHT ... and no way for our nation to recoup this investment (bailout)."
while you rail against Bush, but it was facilitated by the democratic majority in the house. we have the deliciously ironic situation that the socialist Bush was helped by the socialist demoncrats.
heh.
let me repeat the most obvious point. socialist democrats.
socialist democrats.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Man ... you really worship the Religion of Republicanism ... dontcha beav?
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Well ... let me set you straight ... Republicanism is NOT Angelic ... and Democrats are NOT the Devil.
I think if you begin to understand this concept ... you will be able to participate in our democratic process from a more rational perspective.
Good Luck!
I'm rooting for you!
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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((It soon became apparent that the bill GeeDub was agitating for was a MASSIVE bailout ... with NO ACCOUNTABILITY and NO OVERSIGHT ... and no way for our nation to recoup this investment (bailout).
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See?
That's called S O C I A L I S M.))
No, actually it's called stupidity, hubris, bad gov't, and a whole host of other bad things.. If the gov't had SEIZED all these companies rather than used gov't funds to take them over, THAT would be socialism and would come complete with gov't micromanagement -- as in the Soviet Union.
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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HateKoolAid1 year, 1 month ago
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Have you ever heard of a game called 'six degrees of Kevin Bacon'?? It's concept is simple. You can, believe it or not, connect people together at some point in their lives, directly or indirectly. Digging around for some kind of connection then screaming "SCANDAL"! is an old right wing tactic. A tactic that is fast losing its appeal to all except hardcore cons.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Why would you say that Pinky?
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Lot's of stories with a negative slant are on the Front Page of Propeller every day!
Why just yesterday ... there was a story that my fellow Christian Conservatives were VERY excited to get out to the public.
It was about how Barack Obama's plane smelled ... or so some blogger said.
You know ... I realize that claiming that the world is against the Right Wing point of view does more harm to the Right Wing than anything.
First of all ... it makes y'all look like you are even bigger whiners than you are. And THAT'S A LOT OF WHININ!
Believe me, this mantra of Liberal Bias everywhere is demeaning to yourselves. Plus, it makes you look hopelessly stupid to normal Americans.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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I'm glad to see you read my commentary OmegaTomato.
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But here's my point ... don't you ... my fellow Christian Conservative CONSISTENTLY rate CBS on par with left wing bloggers?
Say yes ... because you do.
CBS, ABC, NBC ... these are the stations you refer to as having a Liberal Bias ... akin to left wing blogs.
It goes directly to the emptiness of the Whine that Mainstream Media is slanted to the left ... now doesn't it.
You and my other fellow Christian Conservatives CONSISTENTLY rag on MSM when they show sympathy for BOTH sides of an issue. THEN Mainstream Media are on par with bloggers.
But when an example can be extracted from MSM that can be held up as 100% condemnatory ... even if it's as stupid as how Obama's plane smells ... all the sudden MSM and CBS are your heros.
Your duplicity reveals such a depravity ... such a lack of honor ... I'm really surprised you can put your hand over your heart when you Pledge Allegiance to the Flag ... considering your heart is so dark.
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GWHayduke1 year, 1 month ago
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You'll notice that scope rushes to respond to Goppy and others that hit the nail on the head with his scathing language of hate, but is completely without merit or substance in his retort.
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Thats because it IS like he is looking in a mirror.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Why Endo ... I did not realize you were up in heaven ... looking down into everyone's hearts to acknowledge who is Christian ... by your measure.
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Of course, by your measure ... being Christian means ....
Loving to invade other nations ... killing and maiming along the way.
Disrespecting our troops in the process by short-changing them on materiel.
Lying to the public and other legislators to go to war.
Keeping Children from getting Health Care ... YOUR Christianity LOVES this one.
Your Idea of Christianity also includes a heavy dose of unaccountable consumerism.
Your idea of Christianity celebrates Global Warming ...
Your idea of Christianity celebrates Pollution and Polluters.
You can't stand helping the poor.... but you ....
LOVE providing Unlimited Welfare to the Wealthy.
So ... considering that NONE of those examples reflect the teachings of Jesus ... I wold have to say that you have no business assessing who is a Christian .
You are simply a narrow minded, bitter, hardline, war lover .... who decided to join a coalition that uses the name Christian Conservative.
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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some more here
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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/09/the-irony-of...
The irony of Obama and the New Party association
Is Barack Obama a socialist? That seems to be the question after the discovery of documentation showing Obama’s endorsement by Chicago’s New Party, a group that intended to provide cover for socialists seeking public office in Illinois.-
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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We really don't need this formal association -- if that's what it is to determine whether Obama is primarily capitalistic or primarily socialistic. All we need do is listen to the plans that come out of his mouth.
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His definition of a tax cut for everyone is to tax those he deems to make "more than enough" and give it directly to those who don't make enough. If this is not wealth distribution, I don't know what is.
He wants to expand gov't into nearly every facet of our lives -- including those few that have somehow managed to slip below the radar. When pressed as to what he would cut from his proposals given the dire condition of the economy, he could only name the new programs he couldn't POSSIBLY cut.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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You know ... I wonder why Mainstream Media hasn't done a story about the charges ... made by many fellow Christian Conservatives on Propeller ... that McCain collaborated with the enemy while he was a prisoner?
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I mean ... in February .. March ... Propeller was filled with Righties calling John McCain a traitor ... even going into detail that John Stockdale had to discipline McCain's fellow prisoners from retaliating against McCain for his treachery.
I know many Conservatives agree with this story because whenever someone posted this comment ... all the Righties gave the comment 'Positives' ... (back then, you could see who voted Pos or Neg)
I guess Mainstream Media isn't as biased as my fellow Christian Conservatives claim ... of course ... we all know that they only say that as a ploy to get extra special consideration from media ... you know ... like CHEATING.
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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I would never believe much of what ABC, NBC, and CBS said. They couch everything around the facts to make the story into what they want to say. The news is editorialized. I listened to a report about what Palin said and the whole thing was engineered to make her sound foolish. Don't report what was said and done but try to put things in a biased setting. Of course liberals hear those things and do not understand what the problem with reporting things that way is. Then they scream about FOX.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 1 month ago
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Christ Endo, you just described Fox News to a tee and don't even realize it. As for making poor Palin look foolish all they did was show a tape of her interview speaking in her own words. How is that 'engineering' for crying out loud??
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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I never said that FOX was pure. My point was that you see only that which goes against your grain. You ignore what the ones on your side do. Look at all the posts on this site and look for the hate speech. Then look at who does it the most. You are one of those who do it on a regular basis. Therefore you never see it in others. I have seen this on radio, TV and sites like this. You put on your blinders and hurray for all of those hate filled comments as though they were truth.
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On radio I listened to a very liberal woman call a very conservative man "murderer" repeatedly when he tried to talk. He ended up responding by calling her a pusher. She became incensed and fussed a lot about that but kept saying murderer when he tried to talk. He hung up and the liberal talk show host and the woman talked about how he had stooped to calling name when she did not. Three liberal callers called in and said the same thing. ALL of the LIBERALS just thought repeatedly saying murderer was just fine.
Blinders to your own hate speech. Take off the blinders.
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StevieGee1 year, 1 month ago
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Fox news reported on this, but it was back in February. That was before John McCain was the GOP golden boy. In fact most people didn't give him much of a chance. The fact is John McCain used to be one of my favorite Republicans. Yes, me, Steviegee, liberal of liberals. He's changed a lot in the last year.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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FOX did a story on the charges from the Right Wing about McCain collaborating with the enemy?
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Let me guess ... they cleared him of all charges ... right?
Did Karl Rove do that story?
G. Gordon Liddy?
Oliver North?
Sean Hannity?
Dick Morris?
I'm really interested.
But I guess what I'm even MORE interested in is this ... if Mainstream Media is FLAGRANTLY Biased to the LEFT .... like my fellow Christian Conservatives CONSISTENTLY claim .... don't you think ABC, NBC, and CBS would have been all over this story?
Hmmm ... maybe this Liberal Bias in Media thing is just a big fat lie ... a big fat lie ... the sole purpose of which is to intimidate media into giving the Right Wing message SPECIAL considerations.
Not EQUAL Consideration ... SPECIAL Consideration.
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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can somebody put this article up?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/24/the-real-barack...
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On February 14, 2008, Cliff Kincaid, at Accuracy in Media, wrote:
Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored. [snip]
DSA describes itself as the largest socialist organization in the United States and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. The Socialist International (SI) has what is called “consultative status” with the United Nations. In other words, it works hand-in-glove with the world body. -
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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Along with being a theiving conartist as was provedin the Keating Scandal, John McCain has an Iran-Contra connection. In the 1980s, McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
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The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization's tax exemption.
The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league's chairman.
McCain's tie to Singlaub's council is undergoing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Obama for his link to Ayers, a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago. Over the weekend, Democratic operative Paul Begala said on ABC's "This Week" that this "guilt by association" tactic could backfire on the McCain campaign by renewing discussion of McCain's service on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, "an ultraconservative right-wing group."
So, he drops indentiary bombs on vietnamese children, and calls himself a war hero, then sponsors death squads in Latin america. Warmongering murderer McCain, and his side kick, the evangelical creationist moron.-
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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anc,
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Keating. Again and again, you lie. You cannot go out on to the internet and post one single substantive shred of evidence that shows wrongdoing by McCain in the Keating investigation.
Iran-Contra. Wrong thing to do in achieving exactly the result needed: freedom for the people of Central America from the leftist powermongering terrorists under Ortega. Cry me a damn river. The next time US officials have to blindside the lefties in Congress in the support of freedom, you can cry me a river then, too.
Viet Nam. The VC and NVA routinely shelled kindergartens, schools, and hospitals. In the year after the downfall of South Vietnam, more Vietnamese were killed than in the entire 10 years of the war.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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Behold above, the collection of the group of subhumans who is scamming propeller with the blessing of AOL time warner, the right wing corporation which is the largest media empire in the world, who think the solution to the economic collapse of america is to lie and spew their pathetic liquid crap and projectile diareha because they are too yellow bellied coward to face the truth, that their ignorant greedy racist arrogant policies, based on evangelical ignorance, is the reason the economy is collapsing.
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Any topic at all, huh cons, other that the economy or the murder of 5000 american soldiers for a repugnicon neocon lie.-
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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anti - what does this have to do with Obama's political leanings?? Your comments are an effort for us to disprove your obviously disproven statements.
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That would be a total waste of time, when what we need from you positive statements grounded in fact, about Obama.
Obviously you can't come up with reasons why he would be a good president because of his memberships and friends.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Klarissa ... you probably didn't think George W. Bush was a Socialist ... yet you maintain support for him ...
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Since you support Socialists like George W. Bush so much ... I'm sure you will support John McCain's Socialism .... after all ... he agrees with George W. Bush 90% of the time.
Funny thing Socialism ... My fellow Righties throw it around all the time ... and they don't even realize that ... it's practically the essence of the party they purport to love.
George W. Bush .... Supports Capitalism when Profits are being made ... Supports SOCIALISM when Losses are being incurred.
You know ... I do believe that's the definition of Moral Vacancy.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Let's give Bush credit where credit is due. For the first time since Vietnam, liberals give a rat's butt--or claim to--about the US soldier.
Heck, I would never have guessed Bush could pull that off. Who knew your hatred for the troops ran only so deep?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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If you like, I can make a web page for you, describing how
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McCain wins the election of 2008;
JOHN MCCAIN WINS PRESIDENCY
And if you like, we can backdate it to 1996; or 1887 if you prefer.
BREAKING NEWS APR. 1 1887
We can make it sort of yellow with age; and post it in a collection of 'archived' postings, and give it links to other postings.
Granted, it would be a lie , - but I don't think that is going to bother anyone here.
And you could Google it, and slip into your fantasy world completely, and give the real world a rest from your malice.-
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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Yawn.
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Who the heck is Al?
Alas! I am not one of the dewy-eyed nice posters, who sputter in astonishment, -'but, but how can I prove he wasn't a member of something?'
I need only remind you, that I have no reason to believe it.
You present this post to an article with quotes from an 'archived' web page,
- written in 1996? Where 'someone' mentions Obama as being a member of something?
This is your evidence?
So; we have no reason to believe it.
And excellent reason to disbelieve.
Obama is no socialist; he is a millionaire,
a Harvard Lawyer with rich friends, poor friends and the increasingly desperate working class of this nation.
Granted he grew up poor and had to make his own fortune,
- but that makes him more of a capitalist.
Maybe that is the problem there; the word 'capitalist' has lost its meaning to certain groups.
It doesn't mean a W type who inherited wealth and stuck a flag pin on the money bags.
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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Wolfie, it wasn't THE socialist party, it was the NEW PARTY... which may well have had socialist leanings.
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Strangely, most of the rest of the world isn't as scared of that term as you far-righties are. Why are you so afraid? Do you secretly think that it might be BETTER and that EVERYONE would embrace socialism if given the chance?-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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Wolf is messing witcha, willotica.
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It was LBJ who suggested accusing an opponent of having relations with farm animals. His aides said; 'but it isn't true!'.
LBJ said, 'of course not. But, let's get him to deny it' .
I know, you want to bring up that old rumour about Wolfi2007; - but don't.
The fact he can't prove to us he is not a total degenerate,
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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uh, much of the world HAS already tried embracing socialism, and, except for a few Scandinavian countries are mostly in the process of leaving it in the dust, because...IT DOESN'T WORK.
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Most people are inherently lazy, and if you end up with about the same whether you sit on your ass or you work it off, most of us will sit on it.
But, hey, continue your quest to Utopia. The lack of freedom there made life so...easy.-
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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What you're describing is the extreme of socialism. Please learn what socialism actually entails, it's an EGALITARIAN, not EQUAL system. So, wealth and earnings are more FAIRLY distributed. VERY few models of socialism would reward non-work as highly as work.
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But continue to be obtuse, insisting that everything is absolute, and therefore finding it impossible to imagine that socialism exists in much of what makes the United States a good place to live (eg. schools, police forces, public works like transit...).-
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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It is just as extreme to insist that any gov't involvement is socialism. Even the most radical libertarian recognizes the role of gov't in things such as defense, highways and transit and a few other things that are truly the provence of gov't.
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By your definition, the only forms of gov't are some degree of socialism and anarchy.
I'll give you gov't involvement in transit is a good thing. Quite frankly, with the abuse that is becoming rampant and the fact that the only ones who are allowed to investigate any allegations against them are the police themselves, I'm not thoroughly convinced on the police making the US such a good place to live, and I am SURE that, with the stranglehold the teachers' unions have got on public education, that's pretty much a failing institution also.
And exactly what is fair about taking something (forcibly) from one person and just giving it to someone else (Obama's tax proposal) ? Who gets to decide how much is enough? Maybe this guy worked 80 hour weeks to earn what he has.
The attitude that everything should be "more fairly distributed" does NOT promote social harmony -- it promotes class warfare and the measuring of what you've got against what THEY"VE got == and you'll almost always believe that THEY have a much better deal.
And it is true, that most of Europe is moving away from their socialistic leanings because they have found them to be unsustainable. The United Kingdom was nearly brought to its knees by socialism before it began to dig itself out.
But by all means, let's jump on that derailed bandwagon.
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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Dean, Obama and the Party of European Socialists
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In fact, Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) reported August 20, 2008, that the Party of European Socialists (PES) “has given its blessing” to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
On June 15, 2008, Mark Leftly of the UK’s The Independent wrote that former Danish premier Rasmussen was
… in talks with aides to the US presidential nominee Barack Obama about the regulation of private equity firms and hedge funds.
The names of Obama’s aides are not mentioned in this or the following report from EMII, which added June 18, 2008
In addition to contacting Obama’s people, [Rasmussen] has also contacted, Barney Frank, the chairman of the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, and former World Bank Chief Economist Joseph Stiglitz.
IBD reported in August 2008 that Rasmussen said
Obama is the choice for change and renewal. He gives hope to millions of Americans and Europeans for a fairer world. … Progressive Europeans are united in hope that Barack Obama will be the new president following the U.S. elections.
The PES September 1, 2008, press release also stated
PES Secretary General Philip Cordery said “The European socialists and social-democrats support Barack Obama for President. His ‘Plan for America’ is a progressive agenda which we believe would bring many benefits to the American people and to the world.”
On February 14, 2008, Cliff Kincaid, at Accuracy in Media, wrote:
Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored. [snip]
DSA describes itself as the largest socialist organization in the United States and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. The Socialist International (SI) has what is called “consultative status” with the United Nations. In other words, it works hand-in-glove with the world body.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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Some posters hope that if they copy and paste words,
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casual readers will assume they have an argument .
Sad.
Tthe above is a mix of:
1) general facts about some reds in chicago.
2) 1 smeary fact that said reds, endorsed Obama's senate bid.
3) lots of blurry words implying Obama must be a red too.
Do this.
Believe Obama when he says he is not, nor ever has been, a member of the socialist party.
Give it a try.
He must be an honest man, or why would people like Klarissa and Wolfie2007 hate him so?
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Patience1 year, 1 month ago
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From the comments section under the article "Proof Obama was a Muslim"
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Patience1 year, 1 month ago
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This one too. "Brother Confirms Obama Was Muslim, and Has Photo to Prove It"
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Patience1 year, 1 month ago
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Thanks Wolfie2007
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Funny they don't work from here an exact cut and paste and the first time i posted them it came up as spam.
Go to the story or click on Read Full Story at newsbusters.org at the top of this page and look below at the readers comments the links are included with the sixth persons comments. I just checked and they work fine from there.
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cloud151 year, 1 month ago
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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A decent objection, Cloud;
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but be fair.
This is a link to a far-right web page, where the writer gives us quotes from an 'archived' web page, - supposedly from 1997,
written by unnamed people supposedly linked to socialists, who supposedly are listing Obama, correctly or not as a member of their party,
- though Obama ran as a Democrat for his state senate seat.
In other words, the point of this story is the accumulation of hot air designed to trick us into spending a lot of time, denying that Obama is a Socialist.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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So, cloudy ... cloudy, cloudy, cloudy ... what are you saying ... everyone should jump on the HATE OBAMA band wagon ... agree with the story 100% ... or else just shut up?
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That's what FOX and SBC is for.
Propeller is a place where citizens can counter lies, disinformation, attempts at diversion, and lies. ... oh ... I said lies already didn't I?
Lies ... did I say lies?
How about Moral Vacancy ... did I say Moral Vacancy yet?
The story reflects the endemic Moral Vacancy of those promoting it.
There ... I said it.
Thanks cloudy!
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 1 month ago
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Are you aware that McCain is also connected to the Annenberg foundation?
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And given that it has passed out billions in charity, it is connected to just about every national politician, if you want to bother tracking the associations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-t...
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joeblowe1 year, 1 month ago
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Goppy is correct. This freaking Wall Street Bailout and the Kitchen Sink bill IS closely akin to Socialism. It's wrong, and that's probably why the MAJORITY of citizens opposed it. Congress went ahead and did it anyone. I have already advised my reps (Dems and Repubs alike) that as far as I am concerned, they are FIRED come November 4. BUT - I'm confident that anyone who thinks Barry Obama would be an IMPROVEMENT is horribly mistaken. And I'm not so sure about John McCain either. Seriously, we NEED to start voting in independents. A lot of them.
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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Obama is a socialist? No really? Wow that's what I've been saying for a year now and the left here has done nothing short of bury me in negatives. For his whole life, he's been surrounded by socialists. This is only a surprise if you were a supporter of Barrack's. Everyone else suspected what he was.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes ... a military contractor ... recipient of MASSIVE WELFARE ... free health care .... cradle to grave care .... .... .... and YOU are complaining about SOCIALISM?
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Listen bub .... for YOUR whole life ... you've been surrounded by Socialism. And apparently ... you LOVE it.-
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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Guppy,
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I have the same as every other member of the company. We spend huge sums to maintain the best possible insurance and currently the company pays for everything.
As to military, I really should change my bio. My division has been doing about 85-90% commercial or industrial and only about 10% gov. contract. The nature of the beast I suppose. It was more lucrative to work with the private sector. They pay the bills faster.
As to welfare, we really don't have the incentives you'd think. I wanted to consolidate our distribution centers to one state. Texas wanted us to stay but I'm tired of hurricanes. I wanted to move the distribution to Wisconsin. Even though the land was in the center of Milwaukee, the land didn't have proper water, sewers or power. We needed help with zoning and infrastructure costs. The governor's staff never returned our calls. Ohio made us a fair offer and we accepted.-
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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I'm sure your incentives are more than the 50 Million Americans without Health Insurance.
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I'm sure your incentives are more than the 'under-insured' who get cut from their plan if they get sick ... a practice protected by Republicans.
I'm sure your incentives are more than the millions of Children who have no Health Insurance.
Your complaining that ... 'you don't have the incentives I'd think' is pretty darn hollow sounding ... especially considering that YOU are complaining that OTHERS might get the same benefits.
My God ... Do you HEAR yourself?
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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I'm sorry because I can't hear myself think over your whining. My firm has been actively searching for people in our area for skilled labor. Engineers, machinists, tool& die, welders, assembly and the like. We're having a very difficult time. I'm tired of hearing from you whining liberals that there's not jobs around and with the lack of jobs, no benefits. My lowest paid person is around $40K. We have full health, minus dental however we have a $1000 reimbursement for medical not covered by our health plan including the $500 deductible. The problem we face, at least here in Milwaukee is that most of you guys want to make what I do a year without having the schooling or skills required to do that job. You cannot go from welfare to work without some form of training. I've paid for the next 2 years worth of grads from our tech school from their welding and machine tool classes.
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On your other numbers, where are they from and who is and isn't included. One nasty habit you guys tend to do is include people covered under Medicaid, Medicare and other charitable programs like Badger Care in your numbers of uninsured. Also included in your "facts" are the illegal aliens. That alone covers over 15,000,000 people. So where are your hard facts & numbers. I'd also like to see it from a non-biased sight. There are enough bogus sites from both sides. Where are your numbers from.
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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When fascists scream about socialism they condemn Franklin D Roosevelt, the new deal, Medicare, and they advocate privatizing social security. What's new?
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When fascist McCarthyites attack Obama, they condemn his patriotism, call him a terrorist (instead of a communist), and accuse him of guilt by association. They use his middle name to trigger their perverse race baiting fear mongering tactics. Calling him a socialist is typical of these McCarthy throwbacks.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Same old, same old?
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What's same old is the Fear and Smear 'Swift-Boat' attacks by the Right.
What I see is your desperation that the candidate who promotes 100 years of warfare in Iraq is losing.
100 years of war in Iraq means BIG PROFITS for Military Contractors.
What I don't get is this ... with McCain's extensive record of fighting AGAINST the GI Bill ... and supporting George W. Bush's "Lower Than Low" Cost of Living increases for our soldiers fighting in Iraq ... wouldn't you find McCain REPULSIVE?
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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Actually the swift boat men were people who reported their side of the story. Mr. Kerry painted them as baby killers and murderers. Since the media refused to talk to them, the wrote a book. So in other words, for them that was a bad thing. Yet you guys think it's fine when Saturday night live does a skit claiming Mr. Palin had an affair with his daughter is humor. Then to make matters better the media reported on it for 2 weeks.
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As to the Iraq war, that's not what Senator McCain said. He said he would support the troops as long as it takes and that we wouldn't abandon our friends in Iraq. The media picked up only his comment of 100 years. Once again the media rewrites a comment, just like when Michelle claimed to be proud of America for the very first time. I was there at the woman's conference as a guest of my assistant. She attended a McCain function, we're friends in addition to working together.
Which GI bill? The ones I've seen had so much extra pork they shouldn't be called a GI bill they should be called the Pork Bill or even better the Trichinellosis Bill
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ktpinnacle1 year, 1 month ago
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OMG, Good Lord, Goodness Gracious! (feigned outrage)
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Another tangent from the GOP echo chamber and their spearhead, Fox news.
Got news for ya - it's NOT WORKING!
Real (Eisenhower) Republicans are outraged at the pseudo-conservatism shown by this administration, and McCain. They lose on the buyout.
Thinking Americans recognize that the approach taken by McCain in this election is divisive and may actually result in violence. No bump with this ridiculous rhetoric. But the lunatic fringe is loving it a WWF Friday night!-
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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Real Eisenhower voters wouldn't think of Barrack Hussein Obama either. I tossed his middle name in just to annoy. If you were alive and voted, then again, to be a Dem voter, life isn't required, you would never support a socialist or communist.
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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Ah, the daily dose of barrel-bottom scrapings--leavings?--from the increasingly desperate and endlessly infantile conserv coven.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 1 month ago
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Hope people like redtomato and klarrisa and wolfie are proud of themselves. Even poor McBush couldn't take this crap anymore. He had to stop one woman at one of his rallys who took the microphone and accused Obama of being an Arab. McBush showed a little class by 'correcting' the woman to the consternation of the crowd. Thanks guys for helping poison the political debate with low road tactics.
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rivermint1 year, 1 month ago
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I am always confused as to why many Americans use the word "Socialism" as a pejorative. I am unsure why Democratic socialism is a bad thing.
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After living in Denmark and seeing the services that the people have access to and the standard of living I don't understand why we would not want to have those benefits here.-
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HateKoolAid1 year, 1 month ago
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Conservatives think of socialism as the antithesis of laissez-faire economics. Our economy should be based on private capital with little or no government interference. Wealth will work its own way through society by 'natural' means. Otherwise known as the 'trickle down' theory. What conservatives fail or refuse to acknowledge is that this approach has a serious flaw. It does not take into account GREED! The only thing that can control greed is government intervention in the form of regulation which is abhorrent to conservatives. If your wondering what happens when you let the economy police itself just open today's paper or turn on the news. It's ironic that the answers to this mess are......socialistic in nature. Conservatives are in a very sour mood these days. They will have to make a deal with the Devil himself if they want to keep whats left of their wealth.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 1 month ago
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LOCALLY, THE SOCIALISTS HAVE A FEW GOOD IDEAS, HOWEVER THEIR THEORIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DUMB AND LIMITED BY COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY. IF RUSSIA HAD NOT SO MUCH OIL AND RESOURCES, IT WOULD BE A THIRD WORLD NATION.
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THE UKRAINE HAS VAST NATURAL RICHES AND PRECIOUS METALS. I DO NOT THINK THE KREMLIN WILL GIVE UP THE UKRAINE AND OTHER STATES. -
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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river, a sizable percentage of Americans--at least those of the more rabid (and undereducated) right get very nervous when it's suggested that they might have to give something up, however small, for the general good.
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Or take umbrage at the idea of government stepping in (despite that fact that it does regularly) to help those who--heavens!--can't do EVERYTHING for themselves all the time.
Which includes most of us.
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