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Posted By greenmac 1 year, 1 month ago in Political NewsIt’s no wonder that the slightest incitement from Sarah Palin or John McCain will turn one of their rallies into a lynch mob. Just talk to the folks who attend.
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santanagetaway1 year, 1 month ago
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It is due to the belief of the majority of the people, who do not see Mr. Obama for what he is! And from where and how he has come forward. Most people with his educational background are fighting to pay-off grants, student loans and so forth. Who financed his studies? This is just a small part of why people are mad because no one wants to drag-out the dirt on Mr. Obama and this nation will zink even further under his domain if he's chosen president.
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fsev411 year, 1 month ago
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They've been dragging around the same"dirt" for months on end. And 99% of it has been debunked. He has just finished paying off student loans from both Michelle and himself in the last few years. Your sources of information are weak and bigoted.
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Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago
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"...no one wants to drag-out the dirt on Mr. Obama..."? Are you lucid? Have you lived in a cave for the past several months?
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Ayers
Wright
Odinga
Closet Muslim
Terrorist ('terrorist-bump' with is wife)
Socialist
Marxist
Resko
Bitter-gate
Hand-over-heart-gate
lapel-pin-gate
Michelle-gate
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Ooops. Ya missed one.
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Obama has a "Muslim Outreach Director" on staff. This person attended a target practice...er...meeting...that included Hamas and Hezbollah.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/10/obama-ca...
(Don't worry...Obama was only 47 when it happened.)
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Well, let's just go with your standard, ok?
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A visiting preacher, completely on his own, says a prayer for Paliin. You call him Palin's pastor--a lie. He is not her pastor. (Compare to Obama sitting under a racist bigot for 20 years, then when the truth is out, claims he cannot disown a racist bigot.)
Yet here you are, "associate of an associate" in reference to an Obama staffer who reports directly to Obama and had no problem chatting up Hamas and Hezbollah reps who would have no qualms whatsoever with the murder of Jews, Christians, or Americans.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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You are playing with fire Georgia. Much like German oligarchs in the 1920s thought they could control the crazies.
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Sarah Palin, Neocon Pod Person
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/15/sarah-pa...
The apprenticeship of Sarah Palin is an object lesson in how the neocons took over the American Right and saddled the GOP with their agenda of "big government conservatism" and perpetual war.
You have to hand it to the neocons, however: Sarah Palin will far outdo Dan Quayle in her service to her handlers. And, who knows, what with McCain already well advanced in years, she may prove just as useful to them as was George W. Bush. From the neocons' perspective, she is indeed ready to become president, should the need should arise, her very inexperience being her chief qualification for the job. Here again, individual experience limns the larger picture: just as her neocon handlers delight in writing on such a blank slate as Sarah appears to be, so they imprinted their ideological prescriptions on an intellectually bankrupt conservative movement, which had long since lost touch with its traditional moorings. -
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Palin's preacher: Jews control the economy, that's causing all the corruption
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A new video of Sarah Palin experiencing a laying of hands at her church in Wasilla shows Sarah Palin's preacher telling the congregation - with Palin present and about to join him on stage - how Christians need to take over control of the business world, especially banking, just like the Jews (Israelites) have done. He then goes on to say that the fact that non-Christians are running the banking industry is the cause of all of the recent scandals.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/26/palins-p...
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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Georgia50,
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This is the same kind of guilt by association nonsense. It's even debatable whether any of the people who attended the conference had done anything wrong, let alone the others who simply shared the same conference room with them.
Have you ever organized/attended any conference? Are you guilty of all the crimes committed by all the people who were there? Are the people you work for guilty of those crimes as well?
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rimbaud1 year, 1 month ago
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"Ayers And Obama: What Is Their Relationship?" They were both a part of the Chicago respected civic establishment. If you were the type to be active in your community, and your communty was Chicago, you probably had some relationship with Ayers and Obama and Mayor Daley. If you were the type that was afraid to get involved in your community, because it might "dirty your hands" or put you on some committees with peple who were not like you, you can today take credit for not assoociating with anyone who made a difference, good or bad, in your community.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Beyond ridiculous? Interesting. The Obama campaign said it was inappropriate and that the Muslim Outreach Director should not have attended and would not have been permitted to attend had the campaign known of the presence of terrorist sympathizers.
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This is a holdover pattern from the Clinton years. Then as now, you liberals raise a defense that even those you defend don't dare to raise.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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We should remember that the democratic party is also full of israel-firsters and that zionist organizations like the Democratic Leadership Council were prominent in foisting Clinton on America. That led to things like 56% of all government appointments made by Clinton being jews. There was nothing to object to about many of them, but others clearly demonstrated the extent to which American foreign policy has been taken over by zionists. For example, Clinton imported a rabid zionist from Australia (Martin Indyk), made him a citizen within weeks and then appointed him as special mideast envoy. It is time to put America before the israel-firsters. Which is your country of primary loyalty Georgia?
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The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel
Sniegoski’s new book demonstrates clearly how U.S. and Israeli policies and actions with respect to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the other Gulf states, and even most recently Georgia are all tied together in a bundle of interrelated linkages, each of which affects all the others. The right wing of Israeli politics, the neoconservatives in the U.S. who strongly support Israel, and the aging Israel lobby in the United States all have worked together, and are still doing so, to bring about more wars, regime changes, and instability, specifically the fragmentation of any Middle Eastern states that might ever conceivably threaten Israel.
You will be treated to informative and well-written chapters on the origins of the neoconservative movement, the Israeli origins of the United States’ Middle East war agenda, and neocon planning against Iran, as well as chapters entitled “World War IV” (a very important chapter), and “Democracy for the Middle East.” A particularly important chapter on “Oil and Other Arguments for the War” argues that oil was not as important a reason for the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq as was Israel.
This book is a veritable bible on the neocons -- and a frightening one. Anyone who thought that neocon thinking and policymaking had become passé with the political eclipse of the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith will be disquieted to find that these individuals were only the tip of the iceberg and that on all issues having to do with Israel neocon thinking lives on in policymaking councils and is about to be passed on to the next administration, whether it be Democratic or Republican.
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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Georgia50: "you liberals raise a defense that even those you defend don't dare to raise"
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That's because I'm free to call it as I see it. I don't know how they see it, so I can't speak for them, but to me holding someone responsible for the actions of someone who shared a conference room with an associate is beyond ridiculous.
I hope nobody will hold me responsible for the actions of all the people with whom I've ever shared a conference room. And that wouldn't even be once removed. I do know, that one of the people I've once listened to at a conference had tried to break up my country, and another had physically attacked a very high ranking Soviet government official on a state visit. Do I share the blame for their actions? I can't believe that you don't see how ridiculous that is.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Georgia, thank you for emphasizing the extent to which israel-firsters distort american foreign policy. Fortunately more and more jews, as opposed to zionists, are speaking out about the shame of we Americans supporting zionist terrorism.
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Why is Hezbollah, but not Israel, on the terrorism list?
There is no evidence of terrorism by Hezbollah, which regularly condemns acts of terrorism on religious grounds. AIPAC has pressured the State Dept. into putting Hezbollah on the list on phony grounds. In contrast, there are more than 6600 documented acts of israeli state terrorism against Lebanon.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/05/15/why-is-h...
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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Maybe it's you in the 20 percenter minority who are the ones who ignorant beyond belief? Oh, wait...Greedy, arrogant cons can't conceive of the possibility that if their views are in the minority, *they* just might be the ones who are hopelessly warped individuals. Very sad. ;-(
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Lurch1 year, 1 month ago
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Most people with Obama`s educational background are not paying off student loans because they got in and got through on Daddy`s money or strings, like Bush and McCain for example. Obama is a self-made man who Bush and McCain could only dream of being. Obama is the man that they both realized early on in their lives that they would never be, so they played the class clown and pretended to be a regular guy instead.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 1 month ago
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santanagetaway _ I know you think somehow you have come up with a good one here but this is just a reflection on your folly and not Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama has said about 20 times that he and his wife has just finish paying off their student loan, his tax report he had to release shows that he just did. Before you ask where the money came from? Let me answer that for you, he had two best selling books and the congress pays quite nicely...his wife makes more than he does at her JOB!
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Your assertions like most that i have heard about Mr. Obama is stupid! You all keep saying i don't know this man, look one have to be thick not to know he has been the most talked about and investigated person on the planet, do you really think if Obama was hiding something the world wouldn't know about it by now.
You want to sound deep and pretend that you have caught on to something with how he payed for his education...he did like most Americans have for years and may not be able to do if he is not elected, hr got a loan and grants...what you should be asking is who has a plan to fix our country not this conspiracy drivel.
You on the right look very foolish the more you try to paint this guy in a corner...he was raised by his White Grandmother and grandpa for crying out! -
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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greenmac ... check out this video ... I've never seen anything like it!
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It's a series of interviews from Veterans ... some of whom were trying to get information declassified so they could locate MIA's ....
.... and John McCain fought them tooth and nail.
Some other of the interviews with McCain were fellow POW's .... who have a very low regard for John McCain.
It's amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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How about his connection to ACORN by training the staff in the 80's and currently giving them $800,000 from his campaign contributions. The same organization he sued Citibank for to force them to live up to their version of CRE loans. The same organization that pushed in Congress to reform the CRE in 1990 and after Clinton was elected got traction to upgrade CRE and other legislation about banking changes as well that gave us this financial crisis. Past and present aid to a far left organization now being looked at for voter fraud.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Nope, just more evidence of righties screaming in desperation.
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GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Lie Ramped Up
I had been intending to post an answer to the ongoing -- and quickly escalating -- ACORN smears being issued of late by the GOP enemies of democracy out there, who have decided to intensify their unsubstantiated assaults on the community organization, given its effectiveness at registering millions of low-income voters across the country....
... Doubtless you've heard the smears by now: that ACORN is committing "voter fraud", on behalf of Obama, in hotly contested swing states. The media has been all too happy to pass that garbage on, without bothering to note that, in fact, the organization attempts to authenticate every registration form their workers submit and by law they must turn in every form to election officials -- even if they find a registration to be fraudulent when they call the phone number submitted on the form, or if the forms are otherwise suspect or incomplete.
They do so, and they flag all questionable registration forms as being suspect before turning them in to officials.
The thanks they receive for registering millions of new voters that nobody else has bothered with, and for notifying officials about questionable registration forms when they turn them in, is that the GOP's democracy-hating propagandists and election officials run to the media shouting, "ACORN is committing voter fraud! They've turned in hundreds and thousands of fraudulent registration forms!"
Of course they have. They have to by law. But what those GOP despots of democracy always forget to mention is that it was ACORN themselves who notified officials about the potentially fraudulent and/or incomplete forms in the first place!
For the quickest idea of how the GOP ACORN scam has run amok, dutifully forwarded by the often clueless corporate media, and then the rightwing wankers in the blogosphere who are only to happy to help enable those who are lying to them -- by putting truth, democracy and country second -- take a look at the following game of rightwing "blogosphere telephone" concerning a recent news conference called by a Lake County, Indiana GOP chair in order to sound the phony alarm about "fraud" committed by ACORN....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/10/gops-aco...-
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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ACORN
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Far left wing group.
Being investigated for the kinds of people they sign up in several states.
Promoted CRA loans
Obama trained their staff in Chicago.
in Chicago they flooded bank lobbies with bad looking people to drive away the banks customers.
Obama sued Citibank for them to give out more CRA loans.
They lobbied Congress starting in 1990 to loosen the loan regulations that Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, and banks had especially CRA loans.
When Clinton came to office Congress was more receptive to them and the upgraded act for CRA and other acts about banking regulations came to be and effective in 1995.
And the rest is history, off took the building boom for all the people getting loans that could not do it before.
Then came the time when the loans became more risky because the better people had the loans already.
2005/2006 came some foreclosures added to the housing boom put too many houses on the market.
2006 the prices started down and the bubble burst.
Real estate prices crashed.
Paper based on mortgages is valued at current resale price. They crashed.
Institutions holding that kind of paper lost over 20% quiclky.
Financial crash, boom down it came.
Thank you ACORN for your assistance in creating this mess.
PS Hyper: The above are facts not theories or fantasies. Try and twist them in the wind any way you want but they are still facts of what Obama and ACORN did. The history is also facts of what happened.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Interesting. My wife and I were discussing this very thing....of Obama's ilk.
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What puzzles us is what will cause more rioting among Obama supporters...an Obama victory or an Obama defeat ???
I mean let's face it. It's not like a legitimate reason is required.-
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diogenes21st1 year, 1 month ago
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Are you really proud of your racism? Are you so proud of it you would take it publicly on the road? Would you visit a school classroom and proudly repeat this as enlightened talk to school children to show them the "truth" about their society? Would you go on TV, identified by name and face and proudly repeat this? Would you like to get up at a McCain or Obama rally and repeat this to a large crowd? Is this your best self, your loving self, your Christian (if you claim to be one) self? Are you really proud of your racism? You sit in judgment not just of other individuals, but of entire groups of people, yet your post is ethically, morally and intellectually challenged and casts a strong judgment back on you. And it is a poor reflection of our society, McCain supporters and you, sir.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Frankly Jeremiah Wright is in the best traditions of American patriotism and miles ahead of Palin's goofy preachers. The real question is why an israel-firster like you Georgia is so determined to undermine the finest traditions of american democracy? Here is what Ronald Reagan's Asst. Secy. of Defense says about Wright.
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Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a True Patriot
By LAWRENCE KORB and IAN MOSS
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?...
...How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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As McCain, Palin and you cons demonstrate daily in your nasty, hateful, racist, bigoted attacks on Obama, your attacks against Obama are nothing but pure partisan rhetoric. You're wasting your keystrokes when you bring up Obama's pastor, etc because no one believes the party most reviled and most avoided by America's minority groups genuinely cares about improving race relations in our country. We do not believe you, Georgia so your comments regarding Obama's pastor are de facto irrelevant. You're dishonest in the extreme and the reason we know this is because people who spout the racist garbage you cons do all the time are not generally known to actually know or be close to any black people or other minorities. Basically, if you're a con, we can conclude you're FOS in that regard (at the very least). ;-(
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Georgia, your racism and elitism is showing through again. Is this a consequence of the traditions of a hereditary rabbinate? It is profoundly anti-american you know:
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""""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."""
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Yeah right.
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A friend threw Obama in my face at the gym the other day. (Normal gym etiquette runs against religion or politics as topics of discussion -conservative/liberal/Christian/gay...makes no difference...we're there to exercise, but oh well...)
So he blathers on about how he's scared of Palin. I asked him why she scared him. The deer caught in headlights stare was priceless...he was truly shocked that anyone would have the audacity to ask. I waited politely. There was no response. He tossed out the obligatory indignation and changed the subject.
I indicated that because of Rev. Wright, the proven racist and bigot, there's no way I could vote for Obama. He said, as if clueless to the core, "He wasn't even there that day."
For his limited ability to reason, 20 years of marinating in abject hatred and bigotry means nothing provided Obama was not there the day the camera showed up.
But I digress. Back to the point you were so desparately trying to make. Why do you suppose Rev. Racist Bigot Wright is not a McCain/Palin supporter?-
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hdthehn1 year, 1 month ago
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I'll bet Governor Palin, like the honorable senator from Alaska who is going on trial for corruption, will get the honorable Colin THESE ARE FACTS NOT ASSERTIONS Powell to testify as a character witness at her trial. I mean with impeccable integrity such as Colin Powell's and I Lewis Libby, Palin will make Bush's very short list of pardons before leaving office. Bush will place her name right next to his own. Birds of a feather you know. -
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Georgia, the answer is pretty clear. Theocracy based on ignorant mobs is profoundly anti-american.
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Palin's Churches and the Third Wave
Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.
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tchef1 year, 1 month ago
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I'm afraid of her because of the fact the she has demonstrated that she doesn't have a clue about what it takes to run this country. The most experience that she shows is being Mayor of a really small town. Judging from her handling of her ex-brother in law she doesn't know the legal limits of her office. She knows nothing about foreign policy, she has demonstrated that her one qualification is that she can parrot the talking points that she has been fed.
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I want a leader. Some one who inspires people to come together and work on the problems facing this country. I feel that Barack Obama is that man. With the real experience of Joe Biden backing him up I feel that he gives us a real chance of putting this country back on the road to greatness.-
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Tango571 year, 1 month ago
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tchef, I agree with you.
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Obama is an inspiration to me, a real stand-up intelligent articulate guy. One who will make a fantastic President. We still have 3 weeks to go before we can start turning a corner in this country. I just cannot imagine the likes of John and Sara in the White House.
On another observation; why hasn't anyone asked Palin who the hell she is? She parades around stating in every rally that no-one knows Obama. Who is she kidding? Herself, again, and again, and again.-
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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Right wingers haven't asked who she is because they don't take their voting rights seriously and they don't care. The decided in a matter of days that she was the one they could trust to run their country if something happened to McCain and yet they've been lying for the past two years in their claims that they don't know enough about Obama. The fact is, they don't want to know more about Obama. Cons don't want to accept that their poor judgement in electing Bush and the GOP to run our country for much of the last 20 years has destroyed both the US and the world's economy and killed thousands upon thousands of innocent people. An Obama win for them means they have to face the fact that they are largely responsible for the divisiveness and the destruction of our country far beyond anything bin Laden accomplished. Yes, I do believe cons are terrorists, who will let nothing get in the way of their right to endless tax cuts and a cheap tank of gas. Their reign of terror *must* come to an end next month. These people need to be slappedback down to size because they're absolutely out of control. ;-(
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slate1 year, 1 month ago
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GAWD! She has no experience? How bout Obama the chosen one an organizer that votes 'present'?
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Why is it ok for Obama to choose Biden to bolster his weak points but when talking about Palin and th ethe ONE heartbeat away shrillness, why can't she simply do as Obama has done and pick a VP that bolsters her in her weak areas? THe left has cars that only turn to the left and can't see that is works both waysw.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well n2n, one of the important tasks for the coming years is to provide more fairness and education to the "rednecks".
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Revenge of the Mutt People
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/02/revenge-...
Many years ago I worked at an industrial hog farm owned by the Coeur d'Alene Indian tribe in northern Idaho. The place stank of the dead and rotting brood sows we chopped out of farrowing crates -- bred to death in the drive for pork production. And it stank of the massive ponds that held millions of gallons of hog feces and rotting baby pigs, and every square inch was poisoned by the pesticides used to kill insects that hogs attract and the antibiotics fed to hogs from hundred pound sacks. The Coeur d'Alene Indians refused to suffer those kinds of conditions; they wouldn't even manage the place. They contracted it out. As my friend Walter Wildshoe said: ?Only a white man would work there.? ....
.... My point here is that we rural and small town mutt people by an early age seem to have a special capacity for cruelty, compared say, to damned near every other imaginable group of Americans. For instance, as a child did you ever put a firecracker up a toad's ass and light it? George Bush and I have that in common. Anyway, as all non-whites the world round understand, white people can be mean. Especially if they feel threatened -- and they feel threatened about everything these days...
... About half of the Americans killed in Iraq come from communities like Winchester, Virginia or Romney, West Virginia or Fisher, Illinois or Kilgore, Texas or . . . . About 45 percent of the American dead in Iraq come from communities of less than 40,000, even though these towns make up only 25 percent of our population. These so-called volunteers are part of this nation's de facto draft -- economic conscription -- the carrot being politically preferable to the whip. The carrot does not have to be very big out here where delivering frozen food wholesale to restaurants out of your own car entirely on commission is considered a good self-employment opportunity...-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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So we will either see that Americans, religious or not, get educated equally so they won't be suckered by political and religious hucksters. If not, then we must accept that uneducated people interpret politics in an uninformed and emotional manner, and accept the consequences. America can no longer withstand the political naivete of this ignored white class. Middle class American liberals cannot have it both ways. It has come down to the simplest and most profound element of democracy: Fairness. Someday middle class American liberals will have to cop to fraternity and justice and the fact that we are our brother's keeper, whether we like it or not. They're going to have to sit down and actually speak to these people they consider ugly, overweight, ill educated and in poor taste. At some point down the road all the Montessori schools and ivy league degrees in the world are not going to save your children and grandchildren from what our intellectual peasantry, whether born of neglect or purposefully maintained, is capable of supporting politically. We've all seen the gritty black and white newsreels from the 1930s. ....
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... Lots of Americans don't seem to mind having a pack of young American pit bulls savage some flyblown desert nation, or running loose in the White House for that matter, as long as they are our pit bulls protecting Wall Street and the 401-Ks of the upper middle class.
The problem is this: pit bulls always escalate the fight and keep at it until the last dog is dead, leaving the gentler breeds to clean up the blood spilled. We mutt people, the pit bulls, have always been your own, whether you claim us or not. And until you accept that you are your brother's keeper, and help deliver us from ignorance, you will continue to have on your hands some of every drop of blood spilled . . . from the sands of Iraq to the streets of East L.A. All the socially responsible stock portfolios, little hybrid cars and post modernist deconstruction in the world will not wash it off.
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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Let's see if I have this straight, here are the rules:
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1. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS MOTHER.
2. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS FATHER.
3. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS WIFE.
4. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS PREACHER.
5. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS (typical white person) GRANDMOTHER.
6. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS MOBSTER FRIENDS.
7. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS BOMBER FRIENDS.
8. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS RELIGION.
9. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS NAME.
10. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT RACE.
11. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT APPEASEMENT.
12. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS VOTING RECORD.
13. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS (lack of) EXPERIENCE.
14. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS FLAG PIN.
15. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS INCOME.
16. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS LIBERALISM.
17. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS "DUMBO" EARS.
18. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT HIS MUSLIM BACKGROUND.
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greenmac1 year, 1 month ago
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You can talk about any of those things as long as you speak the truth or ask what the truth is. As you can see in this video...those that were interviewed did not have the facts...they may have had the "myth" and the hype that has been going around with the myth...but not the facts. you have viewed the video...do you agree?
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Blackacereturn1 year, 1 month ago
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It's sad that this person doesn't even realize that the only reason they have a list of what they cant talk about is because they have been talking about it. I understand what is going on with the Republicans, they are frustrated, even race isn't working on Obama.
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I realize this the first time my white friends told me that Obama was half White that smart people were rationalizing him and convincing themselves that voting for this man is in their best interest.
Look the Republicans made this mess, and now they are telling us they know how to fix it? If this was your job (and it is theirs) don't think if you screw up this badly you would not have a JOB? McCain is part of that has eroded this once grate nation in to sub-superpower status.
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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I just want to clarify something, which may apply to your white friends too. Occasionally I've pointed out in my posts that Obama is half-white, and sometimes I've even called him white, but it was not to reassure myself. I did it to show how ridiculous it was to categorize people as black or Oriental, or whatever if they were partially non-white, as if any other type of blood would contaminate their whiteness. This has bothered me pretty well all my adult life, not just now. I just can't comprehend why skin color should make any difference in anything. It's as irrelevant as the shape of someone's ears.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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con, why do you sidestep the fact that Palin ABUSED HER POWER? The investigator concluded that her brother-in-law's firing was justifiable and he concluded that Palin's approach to having him fired was UNJUSTIFIABLE. Why is this so hard for cons to grasp (or is it that you simply choose not to)?
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Hannity is a lightweight who takes a knife to a gun fight. That said, let's not go toe-to-toe any time soon. You'd be left bloviating the party line with not a single fact to back you up....just like most of the other Obama supporters in here.
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You liberals are off the rails moreso than at any time since 1992. And since stating a fact is not exactly a zombie core competency, I think I'll take that grain of salt I used in reading your post and drop it off in a livestock pasture somewhere.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Sounding more desperate all the time Georgia. You seem to be down to slime and innuendo without any real arguments. I would like to hear what you think about oligarchs in the US playing the same kind of dangerous games that German oligarchs palyed in the 1920s. Think the "crazies" will be controllable or it will turn out any better this time?
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Neocon Desperation Is Showing
The neoconservatives and their Republican allies did all they could after Thursday’ s vice presidential debate to turn Sarah Palin’ s peppy, personable but ultimately goofy performance into a turning point for another four-year lease on the White House.
But there was desperation in the air. Reading the neocons’ glowing reviews of Palin’s upbeat recitation of her talking points was a bit like watching a few diehard fans try to start a “wave” when the home team is hopelessly behind.
Palin may have reminded viewers of a badly programmed Stepford Wife, who lacked fluency on complex issues both foreign and domestic – and kept circling back to scripted talking points that had been drilled into her brain by McCain’s neoconservative advisers, like Randy Scheunemann.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/04/neocon-d...
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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But I think what you should be asking yourself is why you have NOTHING to say about John McCain. I'll answer that for you...All cons can do is spin, lie and smear because John McCain is NO different from George Bush and he has nothing different to offer America--just more shame, dishonor, embarrassment, misery, disgrace, debt, wars, lies, crime, corruption, and tax subsidies for oil companies funding his campaign. John McCain, like most cons, is TOTALLY useless (and that goes for his little dog Cindy, too).
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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It is a fact that John McCain's views are scarcely different from George Bush's and that he proposes to continue governing our country the way Bush did when McCain supported his agenda over 90% of the time over the course of Bush's 8 years in office. McCain's support for Bush's agenda is a matter of public record (as are the similarities between the Bush administration's agenda and McCain's proposed agenda) and I dare *you* to provide compelling facts that prove otherwise.
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disraeli1 year, 1 month ago
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Blue,
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Depending on what you watch, listen or read it's been nothing but non stop talk about points such as you mention. I would have thought that there may have been more pressing matters to talk about than
4. His preacher, which makes Sarah's witch doctor relevant
6. His mobster friends, which makes McCain's convicted felon friend Mr Keating relevant
9. His name, and this is because you don't know it or because he had so much input into what it is
14. His flag pin, which makes McCain's lack of a flag pin at the two debates relevant
17. His "dumbo" ears - please be serious
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What a litany of stupidity you shout from the roof tops and gutter bottoms.
I would have thought that perhaps you might want to talk about
1. The economy
2. The war in Iraq
3. The economy
4. Health care proposals
5. The economy
6. Energy policy
7. The economy
8. The war in Afganistan
9. The economy
10. The environment
11. The economy
If however you consider these topics a bit too insignificant to discuss during a presidential campaign please feel free to address
1. Bowling
2. Obama's shoe size
3. Obama's 3rd cousin's webbed toes
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Disraeli,
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Choose the topic from your list that you want shoved ever so factually down your throat sideways. I will be happy to engage in the futility of providing you with all the facts and truth you need to shrink further in denial like the devoted Messiah follower you are.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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You know Georgia, the world is full of all kinds of strange paradoxes.
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1. The Judeo/Islam tradition shares the characteristic of a hereditary "priesthood", which is anathema to the christian tradition.
2. The Christian/Islamic tradition shares devotion to the Messiah (Jesus), which is anathema to the judaic tradition.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Actually, Christanity accepts hereditary priesthood. In Hebrews it says, "You are a priest forever in in the order of Melchisadek."
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Thus, the heritage begins and ends with Christ.
And certainly there are Jewish sects that continue to anticipate a Messiah.
Islam? Anything Islaim says about a priesthood or messiah is a "me too" response to the religions it was created to compete against.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Let's take the two that top your list.
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4. His preacher, which makes Sarah's witch doctor relevant
6. His mobster friends, which makes McCain's convicted felon friend Mr Keating relevant
While seeing not the first shred of significane in Obama marinating in racist hatred and bigotry--which does result in homicidal tendencies if FBI crime stats are to be believed--you instead imagine some substantive criticism of Palin is merited because she allowed one visiting preacher to say one prayer over her, the content of which she could not possibly be held responsible for--despite the fact that you cannot demonstrate any negative consequences of that prayer.
Democrats investigated Keating and his contacts with 5 legislators. The Democratic invesigator found McCain so completely in the clear that he recommended McCain be dropped from the investigation. The Democrats on the ethics panel refused, saying, McCain had to remain in the investigation because if he was dismissed, there'd be only Democrats left to invesigate. Of the other 4, 3 Democrats were convicted.
As Ann Coulter so assiduously points out, that make both Democrats and Vietnamese who have held McCain prisoner.
Ok...you may slither further into denial now. See ya.
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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bluebirdwatcher:
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In this country you are allowed to talk your bigoted smack and hate up to the point that you don't incite violence against an individual or group of individuals. You may not like what the rest of us think or say about you, but who is stopping your from pronouncing your hatred for Obama?-
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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I see my comments have got you to thinking. Now I really know what is on your mind.
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For some of you if you drop the words con, bigoted, hate you would have nothing to say. I do not hate anyone but I sure can't say that about some of you. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. -
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tchef1 year, 1 month ago
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Let's talk flag pins for a moment. I have noticed in the last 2 debates that Obama wore a flag pin but I didn't see one on McCain. What's up with that? I guess McCain feels that the pin wore by Palin more than makes up for him not wearing one.
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jcygotucrazy11 year, 1 month ago
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These comments are not unusual of McCain supporters. This is just how the whites that support McCain really feel about blacks and anyone not white here in America. I am SO GLAD that how they feel is finally in the light and everyone can see them for the hate filled, divisive, bigots they really are. McCain supporters say they are afraid. I am afraid! Obama a terrorist? Whites are the original terrorists! Remember the KKK? I am afraid everyday I go to work with McCain supporters because I dont know which one will bring a gun to work and kill everyone because they are Obama supporters. Can anyone ease my fear of a McCain America? Has anyone mentioned that Sarah Palin's husband is a member of the Independence party in Alaska? That party wants a WAR with the lower 48 states for independence. If they get in office, America will surely suffer!
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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"Remember the KKK?"
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You people won't let us forget. That's the group that lynched mostly Republicans. That's the group that Democrat Senator Robert Byrd recruited for while blacks were being lynched in West Virginia. We stopped waiting for that apology long ago.
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jcygotucrazy11 year, 1 month ago
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Oh yes, I REMEMBER THE KKK! I am old enough to remember seeing my uncle lynched and burned while he was hanging from the oak tree in front of my grandmother's house in Mississippi! It is the SAME kind of hate that McCain supporters are exhibiting today. "You people?" YOU PEOPLE are the ones I fear. Whites are still holding on to that hate mentality. Are they going to revert back to that mentality? Will they start attacking people with shear animal agression? I dont expect an apology from whites for the bad things they did because I know they feel they did nothing wrong. They will have to answer to their God for that. I have not heard any Republicans condemn McCain supporters for their hate filled comments because they are urging them and inciting hate. Face it--this kind of behavior is in the white man's nature and they are reverting back to that caveman mentality. As you can see, edcuated people do not behave in this manner. They need to get out and experience life and not hold on to that "everything belongs to me mentality". The older whites are holding on to the past. They need to go on and die so the future can progress.
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Dobes_Rule1 year, 1 month ago
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jcygotucrazy1 - First I'd like to say that I feel very bad for you having to witness the atrocities of the KKK - they are barbarians; however, in your comment you lump "Whites" into one horrible category, and I have to tell you that reverse discrimination is not the answer. I am white, and I am a die-hard Obama supporter - NOT because he's black...purple...whateever the hell color we want to see him as - he is the best candidate for the position of President of the United States of America - period. I am nothing like the McCain-Palin clan or many of the so-called right wing posters on Propeller, so please understand that lumping this kind of behavior into something called "white man's nature" is very inaccurate and inflammatory and frankly racist. I can only speak for myself, but really we are all individuals...not a mob of white or black. We ALL have to do better than this and come together as a nation.
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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jcygotucrazy1: "Face it--this kind of behavior is in the white man's nature"
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No, it isn't. Hate is learned everywhere. Whether it's whites against blacks, or one tribe of blacks against another tribe, or one faction of Muslims against another, or Catholics against Protestants, or any group against another, the hate is taught by hateful people, and it's usually taught in early childhood.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 1 month ago
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jcygotucrazy1 - As a black man who understands your anger, I have to tell you, you don't sound any different than the people you are berating. I don't think this is a productive way to broach this conversation.
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Obama would not be where he is today were it not for white voters who have obviously transcend race unlike you. While your comments contains some elements of truth, you have done those truths a disservice by appearing just as racist as those you accuse of being so.
Obama's position is not a ticket for us to enact or exact any sort of revenge...as a people we stand on the precept of a moment that can change the course of race relation in this country. I see most of the hate in whites as fear of the unknown and rightfully so, they have had little to no experience of a black man in power. Very few know that 4 of our nations largest company, where many of us invest were or are ran by black me, because like you jcygotucrazy1, they have been misled into thinking nothing has changed, this is the news media's doing.
Please pass this onto your friends, let's not blow this by doing to others what we have had done to us, this is bigger than your pain and or hate/revenge...we must turn the other cheek starting now or we will lose more that you can ever image,
Mr. Obama carries a burden heaver than your memory, what you said is only adding to his load, maybe it's time you take a step back and see the big picture, and not your small selfish motives!
Truth is, comments like yours is doing Obama more harm than good, and it's the equivalence or premature ejaculation, he hasn't win anything yet...people can still change their minds and even if he did it gives you no right to behave this way...i know bit mama thought you better than this! -
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Keep up the racism, hatred, and bigotry. We expect this from Obama supporters. I mean let's face it...what else ya got? It's people like you who will send people out in droves to vote for McCain. We do not want to see YOUR hatred in the Oval Office.
We post undeniable facts about Obama that are in the public domain, and you Obambies label us racist for doing so. I guess you didn't get the memo.
IF EVERYONE IS A RACIST, THEN NO ONE IS A RACIST.
(You can use racist and victim interchangeably in that sentence.)
I am curious as to how your uncle would react knowing that you turned your experience--and what you claim was his experience--into a brazen trivialization of what he went thhrough. Let me translate that for you: if merely opposing Obama politically makes one the same as the racists that you say killed your uncle, then the racism you say your uncle experienced is rendered meaningless.-
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Dobes_Rule1 year, 1 month ago
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Wooooweeee....WHAT a spin session that is georgia! Bigotry, hatred and racism...have ya looked in the mirror lately? Obama supporters include ALL races...and guess what georgia, they're also white & from the South!!! And I LOVE the "undeniable fact" statement, my GAWD, I think you people really are starting to believe the trash that you're posting on the front page - I really feel sorry for you - you are pathetic.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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I love it when cons tell me what I'm supposed to be good at one moment "duhhh...I thought u liburrals were supposed to be the party of tol-uh-rance" (as if this gives wingnuts a free pass to be hateful) and totally contradict themselves with a statement like "we expect this from Obama supporters". Cons are complete nut hut escapees. Wow. ;-(
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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You people write the words, we read them. If you have a problem with us using a basic dictionary and common English to interpret your words, either find something else to say or another language to post in.
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But until you do either, know these two things:
1. Words have meaning.
2. Reality is not optional.
Just look at jcg. Awash in hatred, and claiming to be recoiling in fear of white people. One glance at FBI or CDC web sites, and any black person in the US knows the most likely means of death by young blacks is to be murdered by other blacks.
Blackracereturn offers a reasonable response to jcg, and he is seconded by no one. Instead, without taking the least exception to jcg, the rest of you continue the pointless, hate-filled attack.
Like Obama, I was married by a black man. I have lots of connections to the black community considering that I grew up in lilly white rural Ohio. What I don't have are black friends who like to hang around with proven racists the way blacks in Congress pal around with former KKK members.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Georgia, if you remember things like the KKK, why would you want to foment religious hatred in America?
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Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/06/where-ha...
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 1 month ago
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This is evidence of why we should supports Obama who supports education for all Americans. These poor folks are driven by Palin fear tactics. They clearly cannot tell the difference between being manipulated by fear and actual fact. The ignorant will always follow their feelings even when the facts prove otherwise.
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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And you think McCain doesn't support education for all Americans? Really! They may be driven by the fact that the Obama Camp threatens anyone that says something he doesn't like. He threatened the TV and Radio stations that were set to run NRA ads, telling the truth about his position on gun rights. He yells racism everytime someone says something negative about him. He only believes in free speech for himself and no one else. That is scaryreeeeeeeeeeee! He says, "get in their face". What kind of human being is this anyway. I've been around a few more years then you whippersnappers and I think I could teach you a thing or two. I've hear about these things happening in Russia and under Hitler or some dictator but never in the U.S. God help us all!
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jcygotucrazy11 year, 1 month ago
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That's right--God help us all from John McCain and Sarah Palin. You would rather believe lies than the truth. You need to do your research buddy. I believe in gun rights, I have several myself, except for the unstable violent white people who want to kill you because of your beliefs. McCain is one of those who is unstable and he can not be trusted with this power. He will have us at war with the WORLD. America will have a bullseye on it of they get power. We will go back 100 years if they get in office. It will be chaos!
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diogenes21st1 year, 1 month ago
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You've been around a few more years than us whippersnappers? Is that you, John McCain? It sounds crazy enough to be you. But I tell you what, I feel sorry for you today. Why? Your party's failed Reagan trickle-down, invisible-hand, voodoo, dog-eat-dog, socialism-for-the-rich economics were exposed this week for the fraud they are; you had to back peddle on your fear mongering and divisive hate tactics at not one, but two rallies; Obama has reached new heights in the national and state polling; and your vice presidential pick is not only still dumb as a hamster, but now has been exposed for the lying megalomaniac that she is. You've had a bad day, huh? No wonder you're grumpy and hallucinating about WWII and the Cold War.
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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bluebirdwatcher1: "He yells racism everytime someone says something negative about him."
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I'm calling you on that. Give me a single example when he, himself, yelled racism.
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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Isn't he part of his campaign and responsible for what his campaign staff say? I remember when Hiliary ran for president. Remember it was this year? Her husband was acused of racism and also Geraldine Ferraro. If you lived under a dictatorship then you should know the language they use to control free speech.
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 1 month ago
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Your man McCain told his followers Obama is a good man. Another words STOP the name calling and stop spreading lies that creates fear in people. Your own leader tells the truth about Obama and the ignorant booed him. MCain coming to the defense of Obama against the ignorant in his own party was a class act. I have great respect for McCain who had the courage to go against his own to defend the integrity and honesty of Obama. You angry, hate filled McCain followers need to listen to your leader. -
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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mox,
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Obama voted against an Illinois law that would have allowed school officials more leeway in removing troublemakers from the classroom.
Obama is the slave of teacher's unions. What they want, he does, education be damned. Period. And you tragically have neither the ability to prove otherwise nor the inclination to research how wrong you are.-
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most_reasonable1 year, 1 month ago
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Don't forget that Obama also supported giving information to young children to protect them from child molesters, or as the GOP/WINKY/FAUX NEWS/LIMBAUGH would call sex education.
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 1 month ago
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It is school adminstrators job responsibility to insure ALL chidren are educated. Removing a child from the edcuational system to make work easier for adminstrators is a simple solution to a problem one would expect an administrator should have the experience and intelligence to manage. What becomes of the troublemakers? An UNeducated social problem that the rest of society has to take care of.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 1 month ago
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Wonderful post gm, it's bringing the worst out of the right wing and that is a pretty frightful thing. "My Friends", fellow Americans, does it bother you to hear this type of racist talk along with the mob mentality at these rallies???
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The fact that people stoop to a mob mentality is a horrible reflection on the American people who pride themselves on being the most progressive in the world. Some times I wish I was still computer illiterate because I didn't know racism was this alive and well in America.
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frctm51 year, 1 month ago
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The angry white man is a Republican staple. They have their nuts tightened daily by Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, and Hannity. They can't express their racism overtly but find countless ways to vent it in more subtle forms. Occasionally, they slip and just say things that are clearly racist.
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bill-smith1 year, 1 month ago
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It's kind of sad, and to be frank a little frightening that there can be that much hatred, ignorance, and stupidity out there in America's heartland. Ignorance can be cured with education, but stupidity and hatred are the plagues that stay with a person for a lifetime. God help some of those people, they need it.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Actions often speak louder than words. I consider the actions undertaken by Palin when she had political power to be profoundly anti-american.
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Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/06/sarah-pa...
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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And here you have it: increasing seize-anything desperation from those who fear that Obama will in fact win the presidency.
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Of course they are greatly threatened by the idea that the other --someone ABSOLUTELY and "dangerously" unlike themselves, as they see it--will gain power. The brighter the light, the more they scream at, and attempt to douse it.
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most_reasonable1 year, 1 month ago
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I couldn't understand your anti-semitic (read anti-jewish in this country) until the phrase: I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US
You have NO perception of the good jewish influence in America and in any world where they have been allowed to build schools, hospitals, art and entertainment centers and the like.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Sorry I did not grow up in Iran. But I respect the opinion of the American that wrote the comment. Just like I respect the comments of this American jew, who it seems to me represents the finest traditions of american democracy.
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The End Of Israel?
By Hannah Mermelstein
I am feeling optimistic about Palestine.
I know it sounds crazy. How can I use "optimistic" and "Palestine" in the same sentence when conditions on the ground only seem to get worse?.....
.... We can never forget these things and the daily suffering of the people, and yet I dare to say that I am optimistic. Why? Ehud Olmert. Let me clarify. Better yet, let's let him clarify:
"The day will come when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights. As soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished."
That's right, the Prime Minister of Israel is currently trying to negotiate a "two-state solution" specifically because he realizes that if he doesn't, Palestinians might begin to demand, en masse, equal rights to Israelis. Furthermore, he worries, the world might begin to see Israel as an apartheid state. In actuality, most of the world already sees Israel this way, but Olmert is worried that even Israel's most ardent supporters will begin to catch up with the rest of the world....
...Perhaps Olmert is giving American Jews too much credit here, but he does expose a basic contradiction in the minds of most American people, Jewish and not: most of us -- at least in theory -- support equal rights for all residents of a country. Most of us do not support rights given on the basis of ethnicity and religion, especially when the ethnicity/religion being prioritized is one that excludes the vast majority of the country's indigenous population. We cannot, of course, forget the history of ethnic cleansing of indigenous people on the American continent. But we must not use the existence of past atrocities to justify present ones....-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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I am optimistic not because I think the process of ethnic cleansing and apartheid in Israel/Palestine is going to end tomorrow, but because I can feel the ideology behind these policies beginning to collapse. For years the true meaning of political Zionism has been as ignored as its effects on Palestinian daily life. And suddenly it is beginning to break open. Olmert's comments last week are reminiscent of those of early Zionist leaders who talked openly of transfer and ethnic cleansing in order to create an artificial Jewish majority in historic Palestine....
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...So this idea of a "two-state solution" a la Olmert -- which I would argue provides neither a "state" nor a "solution" for the Palestinian people -- is the new transfer. It is no longer popular in the world to openly discuss expulsion (though there are political parties in Israel that advocate this), but Olmert hopes that by creating a Palestinian "state" on a tiny portion of historic Palestine, he can accomplish the same goal: maintaining an ethno-religious state exclusively for the Jewish people in most of historic Palestine. His plan, as all other plans Israeli leaders have tried to "negotiate," ignores the basic rights of the two-thirds of the Palestinian population who are refugees. They, like all other refugees in the world, have the internationally recognized right to return to their lands and receive compensation for loss and damages. This should not be up for negotiation.
So why am I optimistic? Why do I think Olmert will fail, if not in the short term, at least in the long term? There are many signs....-
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Poulenc1 year, 1 month ago
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most_reasonable, though I applaud your post above, as a Jew and someone who lives in New York City, it's also somewhat...discordant (or even unsettling) to read your (surely unintended) condescension.
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Jews are more "inside" in this country than "outside"--so, in my opinion, your "where they are allowed" is, at least in America in 2008, inapplicable.-
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most_reasonable1 year, 1 month ago
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No condescension. There are jews all over the world, and the ability of jews to excel and attend higher institutions of learning even in the United States is really a relatively modern occurance.
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Don't be myopic they have also partook in many of the cultural advancement in Europe over hundreds of years WHEN ALLOWED TO.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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That's true and to be commended. What I object to is zionists using America to repeat nazi-style crimes in palestine. Isn't it ironic that the zionists share the nazi ideas of "master race", "subhumans", "living space for the master race", and "ethnic cleansing / genocide for the subhumans".
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We should never forget that zionism has its roots in the same east european racism and totalitarianism that gave the world both Hitler and Stalin. It is time for a single state in all of palestine with equal rights for christians, jews and moslems.
51 Documents:
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published my 1st book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators....
There are six selections re Zionism's relationship to anti-Semitism and racism prior to Hitler. ..
Zionism convicts itself. On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:
"Zionism believes that a rebirth of national life, such as is occurring in German life through adhesion to Christian and national values, must also take place in the Jewish national group. For the Jew, too, origin, religion, community of fate and group consciousness must be of decisive significance in the shaping of his life. This means that the egotistic individualism which arose in the liberal era must be overcome by public spiritedness and by willingness to accept responsibility."
...Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany."-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
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"The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."
They hanged people all over Europe after WW II for notes to the Nazis like these. But these treasons against the Jews were virtually unknown in the run up to the creation of the Zionist state in May 1948. Ninety percent of America's Jews suddenly became emotional pro-Zionists. With Democrats, Republicans and even the Communist-organized Progressive Party competing for Jewish votes in the November Presidential election, Harry Truman's monetary aid bought arms from pro-Soviet Czechoslovakia, and an Israel was born, run by the German Zionists' cothinkers in Jerusalem.
Jews and other Americans still know little of Zionism's sordid past. But today only programed fanatics can come away pro-Zionist after reading plain facts.....
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
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rimbaud1 year, 1 month ago
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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On the other hand, jews have been in the US for a much longer time than zionists. Frankly, the newly arrived zionists are endangering the fine traditions of american jews.
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How Jefferson’s Ideals Inspired the Levy Family to Preserve Monticello
Although Monticello is one of America’s most celebrated landmarks, much of its history has been lost. Until recently. For almost ninety years the Levy family owned, maintained, and treasured Thomas Jefferson’s architectural masterpiece. Yet this part of its past has been largely forgotten.
Uriah Levy repaired and restored the house. After his death in 1862 the Confederate government seized it. After this temporary seizure, it was disputed for seventeen years before it became the property of Uriah’s nephew, Jefferson Levy. The house had sunk into a state of disrepair and Jefferson Levy spent much time and money on the house, which clearly was close to his heart. ...
...Levy was born on April 22, 1792 in Philadelphia. At the age of ten he began his colorful naval career and ran away for two years to be a cabin boy. He returned to his family for his Bar Mitzvah but he was soon back at sea. He was court-martialed six times and killed a man in a duel. His biographers, who all wrote favorably of Levy chose the following titles for their books: “Navy Maverick,” “Pugnacious Commodore,” and “Intrepid Sailor.” He is remembered in the Navy as a hero. The Navy named a 1,240 ton destroyer escort after him, the USS Levy, which served in the Pacific from August 1943 until the end of World War II. The Commodore Levy Chapel at the Navy base in Norfolk was the first permanent Jewish Chapel built by the United States armed forces. The Naval Academy has recognized him by naming the Jewish Center and Chapel to be built in 2002 after him, as well as displaying a full-length portrait of the Commodore. Urofsky notes, “Had he never owned Monticello, the career of Uriah Phillips Levy would still be the stuff of heroic stories.”
Levy was a great patriot. He fought in the War of 1812. At the time he was one of only five or six Jewish officers. Levy served on the Argus, a raider, which hunted and sank ships in the English and Bristol channels and along the British and Irish coasts. In May 1813 the Argus captured a British merchant ship, Betsy. Rather thank sink Betsy and its valuable cargo, Uriah and a small crew were charged with sailing it to France. He was captured aboard the unarmed ship in May 1813 and spent the rest of the war as a prisoner on parole in Ashburton, Devon. ...
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Amongst the traditions of american jews that the zionists are destroying is this:
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Zionism at 100: Remembering Its Often Prophetic Jewish Critics
.... In 1919, a petition was presented to President Woodrow Wilson entitled "A Statement to the Peace Conference." It reflected the then dominant Reform position on Zionism and Palestine. The petition asserted that the opinions expressed therein represented those of the vast majority of American Jews. Those signing included Rep. Julius Kahn of California; Henry Morganthau, Sr., ex-Ambassador to Turkey; Simon W. Rosendale, former Attorney General of New York; Mayor L.H. Kampner of Galveston, Texas; E.M. Baker, president of the New York Stock Exchange.; R.H. Macy’s Jesse L. Straus; New York Times publisher Adolph Ochs; Judge M.C. Sloss of San Francisco; and professors Edwin H. Seligman of Columbia University and Morris Jastrow of the University or Pennsylvania. President Wilson brought the petition with him to the peace conference.
The petition criticized Zionist efforts to segregate Jews "as a political unit . . . in Palestine or elsewhere" and underlined the principle of equal rights for all citizens of any state "irrespective of creed or ethnic descent." It rejected Jewish nationalism as a general concept and held against the founding of any state upon the basis of religion and/or race. ...
...With regard to the future of Palestine, the petitioners state: "It is our fervent hope that what was once a ‘promised land’ for the Jews may become ‘a land of promise’ for all races and creeds, safeguarded by the League of Nations which, it is expected, will be one of the fruits of the Peace Conference . . . We ask that Palestine be constituted as a free and independent state to be governed under a democratic form of government recognizing no distinctions of creed or race or ethnic descent, and with adequate power to protect the country against oppression of any kind. We do not wish to see Palestine, either now or at any time in the future, organized as a Jewish state." ...
http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id...
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rimbaud1 year, 1 month ago
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It looks like it is fear of Obama which has translated to vitriol for the likes of Rev Wright and Profesor Ayers. Hey, they are not running! They have a right to deflect the smears against them. If you want to get to Obama, concentrate on him... you can call him bad words, like (oh my gosh my golly, is he really a) SOCIALIST!
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Personally, I wish he WERE a socialist... but his solutions, like his health care solution, are firmly in support of existing free-enterprise entities (like insurance companies). He has proposed little to cause conservatives the fear and loathing they are demonstrating on these boards and in the mainstream media. (P.S. The RIGHT wing in Europe are closer to our Democrats and are socialist). -
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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We've built the greatest country on earth by recognizing what the word "united" means in our name, The United States of America. In their desperation to win at all costs, it is sad to see a once honorable man like John McCain unleash and even join a lying, smearing attack dog like Sarah Palin. What do they expect to actually win if they turn us into the Untied Stated of America?
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It's time to set aside the rethoric of the Rabid RIght and the Loony Left alike and for Americans to unite to solve the greatest challenges we have faced since the great depression. -
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Dobes_Rule1 year, 1 month ago
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Did you just write FEAR...INTIMIDATION? What rock have you been living under during the past 8 years of the Bush Administration? They have majored in Fear & Intimidation among MANY other equally destructive methods for controlling & manipulating this great nation. Have you been paying attention at all and do you understand that McCain will DEFINITELY give you another 4 more years the same?
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And from what I read on these threads...I really have to say, Christian & Republican seem like the ultimate oxymoron.-
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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Yes, I said "against fear and intimidation. Fear is the opposite of faith. Fear and faith cannot occupy the same vessel for where one leaves off the other takes over. Besides we may still be hit by the enemy as we were on 911. Besides you can only be munipulated if you allow yourself to be.
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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The main stream media, CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC are in bed with Obama, so what do you expect. They want him elected PReZ. CBS does one article not in favor of Obama and his supporters go balistic. I won't even watch these networks as they are so biased so as to be ridiculous.
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