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Posted By Nixie 1 year, 1 month ago in NewsBarack Obama trained members of the Chicago ACORN staff, and his campaign has paid more than $800,000 for "voter registration" to an ACORN front group.
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Look ... we all know that the Republicans only hope is to try to disenfranchise as many Americans from voting as they can.
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That's because more and more Americans have been adversely affected by the Perverse Ideology that Republicanism has become.
When you Lie to launch a pre-emptive war .... when you FIGHT AGAINST Children getting health care.... when you attempt to Politicize our Judicial System ... well .... people begin to see a pattern of anti-Americanism.
The fact that Republican Policy has harmed our nation more than any Terrorist could dream of doing ... well that's it.
Here ... check out this video.
It appears that even McCain's fellow veterans think he's unfit to be president.
In fact, THEY MOCK HIM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g
If you support our troops ... support the candidate THEY support ... Barack Obama.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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Well if it is the illegals you have a problem with how come your Rep party did little to nothing to solve it.
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Hell they (shrub and company) even decided to build a 12 lane highway to the inland port of Omaha so that your western ports could be bypassed for Mexican ones, and now you are using them as a defense for your thinking?
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Well gee HannibalBarca, don't you remember the money they allotted for the fence that was going to block farmers from the water of the Rio Grande?? Here's a video of Bush talking about the border security.will work. Note behind him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4VQnBQxCtM=related
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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LOL...already getting your excuses ready for protesting Obama's win, huh? How many times must we play this game? This isn't going to be another 51/49 deal, cons. Obama will win decisively and no amount of alleged voter fraud will be able to change that. We won't be repeating 2000 so just let it go already. ;-(
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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I agree that, at this point, it looks as if Obama will win handily - - but, if it's close, you have to admit that the democrats have a far more strident and eager to dispute election result track records than the Republicans.
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Even NIXON didn't dispute Kennedy's election, although it was almost certainly fraudulent.
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linda48471 year, 1 month ago
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I agree with Wolfie, the most important thing we have is our vote and if people cheat by doing what Acorn is doing and as you see it is only one sided Democrat, it takes away from our voice. One vote that is the rule. Play fair or is that the only way you all can win
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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linda4847 said "doing what Acorn is doing "
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Just what is ACORN doing? They are taking applications for registrations and after checking them out, they separate them between valid and invalid applications and turn them in. It's not their fault if some Republican that is already registered fills one out with fake information and then calls the RNC to report is so a compliant can be made. I would wager any amount of money that the Republicans are responsible for a large percentage of bad applications. Can not be proven either way but just ask yourself who would have the most to gain by destroying the creditability of an organization that is trying to get more people to vote. -
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mark-stevens1 year, 1 month ago
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Your links are useless because they are incomplete and take you nowhere.
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I can see that one is a blog and that proves nothing.
google "ACORN bailout bill" and there were about 489,000 hits.??
No joke. Now which ones points out the fact "it's that the bailout (at least at one point) was going to support (fund) ACORN." because I'm going to waste time on 489,000 hits that tell the same thing. You made the statement, so show the link from a reputable source where the bailout was going to support ACORN and not a right wing rag or blog site. -
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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OK, after researching and maybe finding the story you listed, I find that you did not give the whole story. Your claim was that the bailout money was earmarked for ACORN which was a Republican argument. But reading down further in the article you hear a comment from Barney Frank's spokesman.
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"In the end, how much of the bailout's potential profits are earmarked for ACORN? "None. Absolutely none. All funds would go to state and local governments," said Steven Adamske, spokesman for Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the chairman of the Financial Services Committee and a lead negotiator."
Now I see that you chose to believe the Republican but I don't because at the time they were all playing politics with the bill. So I see nothing here that hasn't already been going on and that a vendetta of the Republican party by the Republican appointed federal attorneys to stop ACORN from getting more voter registration by harassment.
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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au contraire, fergie
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blog.heritage.org/2008/09/26/text-of-the-acorn-rel...
google ACORN bailout bill for about 489,000 other hits.
that should be enough even for you.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Yeah, he's serious. I should have said reputable sources.
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The links are unusable because they aren't links but I can see that one is a blog site that I'm sure has unquestionable information. LMAO
"google ACORN bailout bill for about 489,000 other hits."
I asked for proof and he supplies nothing.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Nice try RIChris.
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Barack Obama has received over $60,000 in donations from active duty troops overseas. (This information is all over the internet - if you choose to do a search.)
McCain? ... ... ... A little more than $10,000.
I guess our troops don't like the fact that McCain has been fighting them on everything from releasing classified information on MIAs to fighting against the GI BILL.
Our troops are funny that way.
They expect loyalty.
If any of you want to support the troops ... vote for the candidate THEY support ... Barack Obama.
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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Not only are they wrong, they are misleading.
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All of my liberal brethren made great efforts a few months ago to create headlines to the effect of: "Troops Support Obama 6 to 1 over McCain."
In deference to Paul Harvey, here is the rest of the story.
This 6 to 1 figure is accurate when you consider the caveats of the data.
Caveat # 1 - These figures represent active, overseas military who made contributions of over $200.
Caveat # 2 - Donations of these type for Obama = 134 donations.
Caveat # 3 - Donations of these type for McCain = 26 donations.
Caveat # 4 - These donations are through June 2008.
Caveat # 5 - Since Palin was announced these numbers have changed.
Caveat # 6 - There are approximately 250,000 active military in overseas operations.
SO - using a handy calculator, these statistics show that the donors to Obama represent a sample size of less than (0.1%). That is statistically too small of a number to use to correlate into a liberal stance of "Troops support Obama 6 to 1."
It is not reliable to say these numbers can be extrapolated, as is standard polling practice, into a general statement of the same level of support in terms of overall numbers. Polling asks questions, donations represent monetary gifts.
One can not be used to represent the other. It is wrong.
Any headline at the time that read "Troops support Obama 6 to 1" was a lie. Howard Dean even made it a talking point for the base to use, as shills are prone to do-
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tatf1 year, 1 month ago
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With so many questions concerning the sources of the donations that Obama has received, I have a problem believing that the donation from active duty GI's for Obama is not another of the Socialist left getting money into Obama's coffers illegally.
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DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago
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Great mis-leading story there "Goppy". Here, read this:
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"The analysis of campaign records found Obama has raised more than $60,000 from 134 military service men and women who are deployed overseas. McCain has raised $10,665 from 26 donors."
Now you tell us how 134 + 26 represents "The Military" overseas. So don't go and tell us that troops overseas don't support McCain. They also don't support Obama, donation-wise. If the greater percentage of troops support Obama, fine, I can live with that but don't expect us to believe "out of context" figures that don't support the totals. -
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automan9091 year, 1 month ago
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My son is in Iraq right now and says that everyone he knows is for McCain and that
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they don't trust Obama. They still remember how Obama voted to not fund our troops during the war and how that vote had cost them unnecessary lives and injuries. They hate him.-
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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GOPPY , I doubt you have ever served. From you choice of words and phrasing you sound like a 20's something who has no idea of life. The Troops are as diverse as the population of the USA, with the same diverse ideas. As for your ideas of change, I survived that once I really doubt you have any truthful idea of what you are spouting.WILL you make the same mistake?For those too young to know or remember. Change for the sake of change is seldom for the better. 1975-76 the U.S. was in turmoil, and people were demanding change. An obscure young man with good credentials(exceptional credentials compared to the aspirants today). 1977, President Carter inherited an economy that was slowly emerging from a recession. After four years of the Carter presidency, both inflation and unemployment were worse than at the time of his inauguration. The annual inflation rate rose from 4.8% in 1976 to 6.8% in 1977, 9% in 1978, 11% in 1979, and hovered around 12% at the time of the 1980 election. Carter had pledged to eliminate federal deficits, the deficit 1979 $27.7 billion, 1980 was nearly $59 billion. Inflation(11-12 percent), and skyrocketing interest rates(21.5 percent). July 1980, Carter received a favorable rating of only 21% in the Gallup Poll. That was the lowest rating any president, including Richard Nixon at the time of his resignation, had received since polling began in 1936.This not to mention the devastated military preparedness and income tax rates. Do we need to re-live this in 2008-2012?
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klr601 year, 1 month ago
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Yes the interest rates were high but were brought on by Nixon's Phase I, II, III, etc until the inflation could not be contained and while Ford was still in office, started coming down like an avalanche on the country. That's why he lost the election in 1976 by the way. And before you start blaming Carter for the interest rates, anyone with a little intelligent of our government knows that the president does not set the interest rates.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,9...
Ah yes, the life and times of another Republican administration that nearly brought down the country and only by having a president like Carter was this able to be turned around. Wages were frozen for years, food, energy, and necessaries like toilet paper and coffee were allow to rise because of artificial "shortages created to circumvent the law of the Phases.
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skeek1 year, 1 month ago
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Firstly, you clearly have not comprehended the extreme dire predicament your country currently faces, but you will soon enough. What will happen to your country over the next 5 years will make the Carter years look like holidays in The Maldives.
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Secondly, Carter was a one term president because he had no choice but to pick up the pieces from the devastating years prior to his presidency; a legacy left by other presidents and either their ineptitude, outright scandalous behaviour or both. He was further lumbered with the backlash of Iran, resentful of 25 years of US interventionism aka the Shah of Iran, Iran's subsequent revolution followed by a hostage crisis which played nicely into Reagan's hands.
But mine is just an outsider's point of view from somewhere out here in the world that you arrogantly dismiss, ignorantly seek to control and now unashamedly beg to save your arse.
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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amervtrn, now you've got me confused.
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I thought you'd said that George W Bush, a two term president, couldn't be blamed for the financial problems we're having right now. If that's so than how can you blame Carter, a one term president for the financial problems that developed while he was president. You seem to be speaking out of both sides of your mouth.-
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Ratskii you missed the point I was making. No Carter is not to blame for the current mess. What I was saying change for the sake of change is seldom for the better. The Media hype was almost word for word a match to Obama's hype, slogans,ect. If Carter with his experience could fail so badly what are Obama's chances as inexperienced as he is? Now do you understand?
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Racism knows no color. There are White racist,Black racist,Brown racist, ECT. To some it is a hatred, to some it is distrust, and to others it is a tool of deceit. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one "guppy" called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type of situation, and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. His record shows nothing to recommend him. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well amer, perhaps you should ask yourself why this keeps happening over and over and over. And why it is the little people that suffer everytime. Maybe our system is not what it seems?
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Bretton Woods was the system of global financial management set up at the end of the second World War to ensure the interests of capital did not smother wider social concerns in post-war democracies. It was hated by the US neoliberals - the very people who created the banking crisis.
...The immediate origins of the current meltdown lie in the collapse of the housing bubble supervised by Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, which sustained the struggling economy through the Bush years by debt-based consumer spending along with borrowing from abroad. But the roots are deeper. In part they lie in the triumph of financial liberalisation in the past 30 years - that is, freeing the markets as much as possible from government regulation.
...A study by international economists Winfried Ruigrok and Rob van Tulder 15 years ago found that at least 20 companies in the Fortune 100 would not have survived if they had not been saved by their respective governments, and that many of the rest gained substantially by demanding that governments "socialise their losses," as in today's taxpayer-financed bailout. Such government intervention "has been the rule rather than the exception over the past two centuries", they conclude.
... The financial market "underprices risk" and is "systematically inefficient", as economists John Eatwell and Lance Taylor wrote a decade ago, warning of the extreme dangers of financial liberalisation and reviewing the substantial costs already incurred - and proposing solutions, which have been ignored. One factor is failure to calculate the costs to those who do not participate in transactions. These "externalities" can be huge. Ignoring systemic risk leads to more risk-taking than would take place in an efficient economy, even by the narrowest measures.
In a functioning democratic society, a political campaign would address such fundamental issues, looking into root causes and cures, and proposing the means by which people suffering the consequences can take effective control.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/12/anti-dem...
Anti-democratic nature of US capitalism is being exposed
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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The conservative christian group have every right to go out and register voters. They don't have the right to preach in favor of a political candidate or party from the pulpit, at least not if they want to keep their tax free status.
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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Can you show me where he said anything favoring a particular candidate or party while he was the minister? I know he said some things that you don't agree with, but in all the quotes that were put online about him, I never saw one like that.
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My Church has an online site, and I've seen them warn people a number of times not to put that kind of political comment on the site as it could endanger their tax free status.-
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120511457633523621...
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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Goppy,
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Bush's anti-science views, entanglement of religion in extending "faith-based funding," and lack of support for birth control, which would help people at the bottom more than almost anything else we could do (look at what a difference it made to the Chinese) are clearly a travesty.
But I don't think McCain would continue those policies. He's just trying to get elected, which all politicians do. I just can't paint McCain with the "Bush" brush. Anyone who attacks Bush immediately finds himself kicked out of the kingdom, and McCain has had to carefully walk a fine line.
Everyone has enemies, but even most democrats have a positive view of McCain outside of the election season.
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tchef1 year, 1 month ago
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McCain has voted lock step with Bush since 2000. He has supported all the policies of this administrations. Everything that he proposes is the same as Bush has proposed. He is nothing more than a continuation of this administration. And we can't afford that.
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BB641 year, 1 month ago
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Then you haven't done your studying. I was a part of the GOP that wanted to dump McCain because he stood with the Dems a little too often. McCain Finegold is little more than an incumbent protection act. It takes rights away from the electorate and gives more the the 527's, reducing their accountability.
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As to my reasons for supporting McCain, that's easy. Of the two running, he's the more conservative Democrat in the race today.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 1 month ago
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I don't understand why people can't see through this freaking smokescreen. This is about scaring minorities out of the vote. It's as simple as this, ACORN register people to vote, the state voter registration department check them to see if they are eligible voters, if they are not they are not allowed to vote.
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FOX and the pretentious right keep asking why the Feds haven't gotten involved...they haven't because there is no wrong doing here. If those people had voted then we could say there were wrong doings here, but since these forms were sent to the proper checkpoints none of this noise is valid!
There is also a thought process that this organization has been infiltrated by the republicans to make them seem as a bad voter registration group. There is a reason why the McCain group is not calling for the Feds to get involved...and this is mostly about the disenfranchisement of low income and minorities once again in this country.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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I think you've got someone mixed up with Michael Bloomberg--but he's getting his rich buddy Lauder to fix the law temporarily so he can have a 3rd term because he doesn't want to leave--then change it back so no one else can have one. Ultimately same thing, just accomplished through a different abuse of power.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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BAT, I think Obama will probably win, and I think ACORN has aggressively politically strong-armed anyone and everyone to push through their agenda, which is noble in its hope, but not always in step with reality.
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If he wins, I hope Obama is a good president, and as an American, I support them all once the election is over. But he's presenting himself as a talker and persuader, and his experience doesn't suggest a much successful innovation.
I'm leaning towards writing in Ron Paul, anyway, since I'm less than enthusiastic about the major tickets. We know that's really a vote for Obama, but I live in an area where Obama is such a shoo-in that who I vote for doesn't matter, and my state is a winner-take-all state, which obviously is moving away from, rather than towards, a more representative democracy. Until we have a close race in the state (and it's pretty deep blue), it will not be challenged in the courts.
Most members of the GOP are not the very vocal goddy freaks who seek a theocracy, just as most democrats are not the very vocal leftists who seek a socialist dictatorship.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well here we see the same old desperate screamers trying to dupe gullible americans.
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GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Lie Ramped Up
I had been intending to post an answer to the ongoing -- and quickly escalating -- ACORN smears being issued of late by the GOP enemies of democracy out there, who have decided to intensify their unsubstantiated assaults on the community organization, given its effectiveness at registering millions of low-income voters across the country....
... Doubtless you've heard the smears by now: that ACORN is committing "voter fraud", on behalf of Obama, in hotly contested swing states. The media has been all too happy to pass that garbage on, without bothering to note that, in fact, the organization attempts to authenticate every registration form their workers submit and by law they must turn in every form to election officials -- even if they find a registration to be fraudulent when they call the phone number submitted on the form, or if the forms are otherwise suspect or incomplete.
They do so, and they flag all questionable registration forms as being suspect before turning them in to officials.
The thanks they receive for registering millions of new voters that nobody else has bothered with, and for notifying officials about questionable registration forms when they turn them in, is that the GOP's democracy-hating propagandists and election officials run to the media shouting, "ACORN is committing voter fraud! They've turned in hundreds and thousands of fraudulent registration forms!"
Of course they have. They have to by law. But what those GOP despots of democracy always forget to mention is that it was ACORN themselves who notified officials about the potentially fraudulent and/or incomplete forms in the first place!
For the quickest idea of how the GOP ACORN scam has run amok, dutifully forwarded by the often clueless corporate media, and then the rightwing wankers in the blogosphere who are only to happy to help enable those who are lying to them -- by putting truth, democracy and country second -- take a look at the following game of rightwing "blogosphere telephone" concerning a recent news conference called by a Lake County, Indiana GOP chair in order to sound the phony alarm about "fraud" committed by ACORN....
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Frankly the whole "ACORN" campaign (about voter REGISTRATION) by the GOP seems to be an effort to distract attention from their campaign to block real VOTES.
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Vote Rigging and Suppression Ahead of the 2008 Election
Election Day is less than a month away, and a record-breaking voter turnout is expected in the 2008 race. But voting rights groups are warning that tens of thousands of registered voters might not be able to cast a ballot come November 4th.
Beyond the documented problems of electronic voting machines, thousands of names have been purged from the rolls in several states, including at least six swing states.
Democrats and Republicans are locked in court battles over these in a number of states across the country. While Democrats say they’re trying to prevent attempts to block votes, Republicans say they are trying to prevent voter fraud.
BBC investigative journalist Greg Palast travels to New Mexico, Michigan and Colorado to investigate how both Democrats and Republicans are accusing each other of trying to steal the election.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/11/vote-rig...-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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No Klarissa, that's what the Republicans did in PA during the 2004 election and of course you would know about those things because that was your job . LMAO You can't do it now though because they're looking for that.
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Yeah there were people that went to vote after registering with a Republican group in PA and found out that someone had already voted for them. Yep, that made the news up north and was hushed up because the election was over. Same in Ohio. Voter fraud by Blackwell but with Republican control there was nothing done about it.-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Once again we have a reading comprehension problem now don't we. The Republican group that took the registrations as you well know were the only ones that knew the information on them and cast the vote. Now they think that ACORN will do what they did. No wonder they're scared to death. They are afraid the Democrats will try to do what they did.
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orndorffter1 year, 1 month ago
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Klarissa; I work at the voting polls and nothing goes on like that, You could be jailed for somethig like that no one can copy the paper and vote under A fake name, and there is alot of scurity there noone could get away with something like that.
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Times of peril are no time for Amateurs. Socialist debt is what will sink us.WILL you make the same mistake?For those too young to know or remember. Change for the sake of change is seldom for the better. 1975-76 the U.S. was in turmoil, and people were demanding change. An obscure young man with good credentials(exceptional credentials compared to the aspirants today). 1977, President Carter inherited an economy that was slowly emerging from a recession. After four years of the Carter presidency, both inflation and unemployment were worse than at the time of his inauguration. The annual inflation rate rose from 4.8% in 1976 to 6.8% in 1977, 9% in 1978, 11% in 1979, and hovered around 12% at the time of the 1980 election. Carter had pledged to eliminate federal deficits, the deficit 1979 $27.7 billion, 1980 was nearly $59 billion. Inflation(11-12 percent), and skyrocketing interest rates(21.5 percent). July 1980, Carter received a favorable rating of only 21% in the Gallup Poll. That was the lowest rating any president, including Richard Nixon at the time of his resignation, had received since polling began in 1936.This not to mention the devastated military preparedness and income tax rates. Do we need to re-live this in 2008-2012?
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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You still believe that ancient propaganda?
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The fact is that Carter had higher economic growth, higher wage growth and less unemployment than Reagan. Yes we had inflation, but that was mainly caused by Nixon running his part of Vietnam on borrowed money and an oil shock. We will probably see inflation again since Bush has run his wars on borrowed money (even more expensive than Vietnam), Bush has produced a major economic crash with "deregulation" corruption, and we again have an oil shock.
You also seem to forget that it was Reagan who raised taxes on average Americans (twice) and only gave tax cuts to the super rich. 40% of Americans lost their savings and became net debtors under Reagan. Reagan managed to produce a major market crash and a major corruption scandal which taxpayers had to bailout (and all the Bush brothers as well as McCain already made out like bandits in that scandal). As a country, Reagan made us the world's biggest debtors (now Bush has achieved that we pay more to foreigners than we earn from our overseas investments).
As for military preparedness, by now we know that Reagan's "star wars" was mainly a boondoggle to pay off corrupt cronies in the "defense" business.
I could go on. You should broaden your sources of information and try to get beyond the slogans fed to you by corrupt politicians.-
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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You still believe that ancient propaganda?
I survived it, I was there. I know it is true, as I have said before, been there, done that, and it cost me the shirt off my back. I'll be very,very lucky if we go through it again and that is all it cost me.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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That was years ago when I myself was a conservative but this conservative group today is not the same as yesteryear. Since they joined forces with the religious right they have become another animal that has an appetite for power and greed that surpasses anything that Winston Churchill could ever comprehend from a democratic government. In fact Churchill fought people like this while he was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Nixie, you seem to think that screaming lies loud and furiously will dupe Americans. Frankly such lies about this and other topics aresimply showing Americans how destitute of ideas and morality the GOP has become.
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This article has lots of links to sources where you could begin to educate yourself (unless your lies to americans are purposeful).
GOP lies about affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis
Conservative and other media figures, echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans, have attempted to deflect blame for the financial crisis onto proponents of the expansion of affordable housing and legislation and institutions created to effect that expansion. The attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods and, in the case of CRA and attacks on minority lending, have taken on a racial tinge.
MYTH: The 1977 Community Reinvestment Act forced lenders into irresponsible lending. ....
The suggestion that the financial crisis was caused by banks lending irresponsibly to comply with the CRA is widely discredited. According to housing experts, a large number of subprime loans were not made under the CRA, which applies only to depository institutions. A study released earlier this year by a law firm specializing in CRA compliance estimated that in the 15 most populous metropolitan areas, 84.3 percent of subprime loans in 2006 were made by financial institutions not governed by the CRA. Moreover, Janet Yellen, president and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, stated in a March 2008 speech that "studies have shown that the CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households".
MYTH: Excessive lending to undocumented immigrants is responsible for the financial crisis....
MYTH: Congressional Democrats, led by Barney Frank, opposed strengthening oversight over Fannie and Freddie...
In fact, Frank did not "s[i]t by." Frank's efforts to enhance regulatory oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac include: ....-
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MYTH: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac caused the "current financial mess"...
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...in a 2006 Securities and Exchange Commission filing (available here) covering its activities in 2004, Fannie Mae stated: "We did not participate in large amounts of these non-traditional mortgages in 2004 and 2005." In the report, Fannie Mae also noted the growth of subprime lending and reported, "These trends and our decision not to participate in large amounts of these non-traditional mortgages contributed to a significant loss in our share of new single-family mortgage-related securities issuances to private-label issuers during this period." ...
...Investment banks created a demand for subprime loans because they saw it as a new asset class that they could dominate. They made subprime loans for the same reason they made other loans: They could get paid for making the loans, for turning them into securities, and for trading them-frequently using borrowed capital....
MYTH: Sen. Barack Obama's campaign has significantly more ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than does John McCain's...
MYTH: Democrats sought to divert funding in the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act to ACORN....
MYTH: Former President Clinton has blamed Democrats for the financial crisis....
... Clinton said, "I think the biggest mistake, by the way, that contributed to the current circumstance that almost nobody talks about, is the repeal after decades of something called the uptick rule, which allowed the hedge funds, heavily leveraged, and others to just drive down the market without any kind of automatic stoppers." In a separate interview aired that day with Matt Lauer, co-host of NBC's Today, Clinton stated of the financial situation: "[T]his thing really took off when the SEC, under this administration, exercised less oversight and they got rid of something called the uptick rule, which enabled betting down on housing stocks to go crazy."
The uptick rule, which was created in 1938, was a securities trading rule that regulated market short selling, the act of selling a stock that an investor does not own (but borrows from a broker or someone else) in anticipation that the stock's price will decrease. After a June 13, 2007, decision that became effective July 3, 2007, the SEC issued a final rule that repealed the uptick rule.....
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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hyperbola: One whom Lenin would term "useful fool"
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Your so called "Facts" fly in the face of reason, by using the same trick the reds used, to wit: Mix-in your propaganda with just enough known facts to make the uninitiated believe your tripe. For one, I happened to be working at a bank during the Carter Years. His was an abysmal administration! You saying otherwise does NOT change what I actually lived through. I saw the loans that were processed. In fact, things were getting so bad, Arkansas had to amend its usury law due to the OUTRAGEOUS interest rates.
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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PacosFor those fighting the party wars.
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Party is the madness of many for the gain of a few.-Alexander Pope
If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill
sam glad to see I'm not the only one who survived the Carter years. If these children had any idea they would run for the hills.-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill"
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As long as you paste this quote I will paste my comment.
That was years ago when I myself was a conservative but this conservative group today is not the same as yesteryear. Since they joined forces with the religious right they have become another animal that has an appetite for power and greed that surpasses anything that Winston Churchill could ever comprehend from a democratic government. In fact Churchill fought people like this while he was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. -
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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If you had the horrible experience of actually reading the accompanying story of this post. Please take a look at this one submitted by hyper a couple of days ago.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/10/gops-aco...
It seems that conservatives just can't seem to steer away from personal attacks. It's because they are losing on every other issue. The strategy is to demonize theri opponent so people will vote for a less savory candidate. Appalling isn't it?-
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tatf1 year, 1 month ago
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For a Socialist to complain about Republicans making personal attacks ought to put down the bong and take a look at the real world. Try reading a newspaper or listen to the "news". The attacks against Sarah Palin, her husband, and her children have been generated by very disturbed people. Obviously people who suffer from deeplcognitive impairment
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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I'm having problems understanding why I end up with spam when I post a YouTube video when this whole story is from a McCain video. Would one of the nice people from Propeller please send me a message and let me know what the problem was with my post so we can correct the problem.
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All I did was contradict the statement of tatf and linked a couple of YouTube videos that showed McCain/Palin supporters at a rally.
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Racism knows no color. There are White racist,Black racist,Brown racist, ECT. To some it is a hatred, to some it is distrust, and to others it is a tool of deceit. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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amervtrn,
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I agree that bigotry comes in all shapes and sizes. And I do fear that Obama is a rank amateur, especially watching him just going through the primary election process. He was even less aware than Palin at first, and it's amazing to see the left attack her, since Obama was way behind the curve at one point. He's learned to talk the talk, though, and that sells, even if he hasn't yet walked the walk.
I think sexism is still more socially acceptable than racism in the U.S. (and the world), and many women have just learned to let it slide off and plow ahead. I vehemently disagree with Palin on abortion and birth control, but I'm amazed at the venomous attacks using traditional anti-female epithets by people here who frame themselves as "progressive."
I think Obama will win just on popular appeal. He's a very attractive guy, he has a very engaging speaking voice, and he makes the right promises. His followers don't seem much concerned with his political views--including some far more discomforting to me than ACORN, Rev. Wright, and his voting record. What about his current support for the U.N., George Soros, and Michael Bloomberg's anti-U.S. political views that are featured right on his campaign website? Why aren't people concerned about that on both sides of the aisle?
But it's easier to frame it as racism, because that's dismissive, and easy to toss into the conversationa and side-track it.
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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You really should research what you are voting for.If you think it hasn't happened before study history and economics. Just because you have never lived through it doesn't mean it has never happen.Learn to think not follow the Hype.
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This is supposed to be an election for president not PR rock star. You are hiring the CEO of Firm USA. Who do you want to run the firm, a manager with over 25 years experience or the newly hired stockboy?
If you complain about Palin's experience to be VP candidate where does that leave Obama? She has more real experience than he has. Or is Obama really running as Biden's VP?For those fighting the party wars.
Party is the madness of many for the gain of a few.-Alexander Pope
If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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You know amervtrn, I am not too impressed by Winston Chruchill.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill"
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As long as you paste this quote I will paste my comment.
That was years ago when I myself was a conservative but this conservative group today is not the same as yesteryear. Since they joined forces with the religious right they have become another animal that has an appetite for power and greed that surpasses anything that Winston Churchill could ever comprehend from a democratic government. In fact Churchill fought people like this while he was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
"You really should research what you are voting for.If you think it hasn't happened before study history and economics"
That is true
1929 stock market crashes Herbert Hoover
1986 Black Monday Ronald Reagan
2008 market. rash for a week G H W Bush
If you don't know what these have in common than you haven't researched what you're voting for. Add on top of that the Republican policies of deregulation which McCain supported until this crash and you have more reasons to trust Obama than you have to trust McCain with Phil Gramm by his side.
Vote for "Change You Can Believe In" from Obama and not the "Change Is Coming" by McCain which only means same polices different Republican.
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mark-stevens1 year, 1 month ago
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It is not VOTER FRAUD... it is voter registration fraud. I think that there is people getting voters on a quota basis to keep their jobs. Some of the voter registrant are.. R,r,r,r, Smith or Tony Romo... I doubt without Id they will be voting in Nevada
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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All voter request by absentee are checked for validation by the election board before they are handed out. So try to make up another lie while you're at it because what you are doing is accusing the election board as being a party to voter fraud.-
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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In Ohio, most dramatically, an individual can register to vote between September 30 and October 6, then immediately receive an absentee ballot. Existing and brand-new electors also can cast ballots at early-voting centers. This is a gourmet recipe for voter fraud.
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What if some new registrants turn out to be non-citizens? Or felons? Or gung-ho 16-year-olds who only look 18? No problem. Why, we'll just fish out their ballots from the pile. Uh-oh. The secret ballots all look alike and no longer can be tied to any given voter.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Yes Nixie, IN PERSON. I've lived there for 30 years and have voted absentee. When I voted absentee ballot, I had to do it in the election board's office and seal it up and then hand it to them. I'll grant a difference if someone is disabled but the ballot is sent to the person's registered address. What I'm trying to say is the election board would not give an absentee ballot and let you leave with it when I was there.
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As the story is saying, you can register and then receive a ballot but what they didn't say is you have to show proof of identity and residency in the state of Ohio. An electric bill in your name at the address given is sufficient along with proof of your identity. But all are checked before they are given out.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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You have a really wild imagination. None of that is happening at all. You're lying, Nixie. And for someone who hated McCain before you loved him and loved Palin 5 minutes after you heard of her existence, that's really, REALLY sad. ;-(
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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Nixie, this is such a pile of cr**. First, ACORN hasn't been convicted of anything. Remember the firings of republican federal prosecutors because they wouldn't push cases that they knew they couldn't get convictions on just before the 2006 elections. Well, that is what this is all about. They got rid of republican prosecutors that had any personal convictions and put in a bunch of people that would prosecute a bunch of bogus cases a few weeks before the election.
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Now the republican cheerleaders are crying out that they are guilty before the investigation is finished. Guess you don't believe in America's justice system.-
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4thchance1 year, 1 month ago
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You should say,
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(Acorn has not YET been convicted of wrong doing.) That will come a little later.
Stop your goofy spin on this issue. Acorn and Obama were working together. The DemoRats are going to be in big trouble with this Acorn crap. Voter Fraud, Intimidation of banks to lend money to high risk people....Intimidation that the Republicans TRIED to stop a long time ago. This looks really bad for both Acorn and Obama. In fact, it appears that Acorn and Obama did all this deliberately to ruin our economy and to win the election. By what ever way they can. Cheating, lying, voter fraud, it's all there!
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 1 month ago
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Who cares about ACORN? If the local election boards do their jobs, and authenticate voter registrations properly, it's not an issue. What's all the fuss about? Are you saying that local election boards EVERYWHERE aren't doing their jobs?
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Leaders like McCain who lurch from "the economy is fundamentally strong" to "the economy is in crisis" in the space of two hours are too risky for America.
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Leaders who grasp at the remotest connections trying to win by smear campaigns while having no ideas how to lead the country are too risky for America.
Believing that the issue is William Ayers or Acorn or even Troopergate is too risky for America. As Bill CLinton so aptly put it, "It's the economy, stupid."
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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The Republicons do this every election and their gestapo tactics will not work here. This is the very reason Bush fired the attorneys in 2006 because they wouldn't do the crooked harassment that is taking place now. Crying foul and raiding places just before election to persuade voters is low life politics because there is no voter fraud . It's the Republicans that are involved in voter disenfranchisement as can be proven by Blackwell's actions in Ohio.. Here's a statement from Iglesias, who was fired for not targeting voter registration drives by ACORN because there was no evidence of voter fraud.
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"I was aware that the Justice Department was interested in having U.S. attorneys investigate and prosecute voter fraud going back to 2002," Iglesias told PBS. "Upon reviewing the evidence and looking at the FBI reports, I concluded, as did the public integrity section at main Justice and at the local FBI office, that we didn’t have any prosecutable cases."
"No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation," the memo read.-
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Only proves what I said in the article. Republican attorneys using gestapo tactics to bring charges that are thrown out of court because of lack of evidence after the election. After McKay was fired in Washington his replacement passed down indictment that were thrown out of court. It's only in the eyes of Republicans that there is organized voter fraud.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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Does that include shooting a Republican?? Of course Democrats have done things illegal but that does not make them all criminals. Just because someone working for ACORN get's arrested does not make the organization illegal any more than Foley makes all the Republicans in congress child molesters.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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I can tell you what Blackwell did in Ohio. Every Democrat district was short of voting machines while Republican districts had more than they needed.
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http://www.mediamouse.org/video/111905what_.php
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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My hat's off to mntnman for wading into this cesspool of anti-American Propaganda.
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What Republicans are most angry at ... is that many citizens ... long disenfranchised by Right Wing Extremist Policies are being organized to vote.
This REALLY angers Right Wingers.
They want ... they work at ... denying citizens their rights. They believe in the ideal that only the 'privileged' ... upper classes should have the right to express themselves. This is their fight.
Just like they fight against cost of living wage increases for our troops.
Just like they fight against health care for children.
Just like they fight for unaccountability for banks and insurance companies.
There's a fundamental Moral Vacancy that pervades the Modern Republican Party.
And mntnman ... I salute you for wading in here and fighting the good fight against these Ideologues.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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That's what the Republicons have said but still no proof. All baseless accusations with merit. Now if you want to know about disenfranchised voters all you have to do is read about what Blackwell did in Ohio. Now that's where voters were disenfranchised with more votes for Bush in the district than people.
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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I am not at ALL upset with ANY US citizen exercising their right to vote. I am concerned about
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the same person registering to vote in several precincts (very possible when no proof of residency is required)
a person who is not a US citizen registering to vote (very possible when no proof of citizenship/and or identification is necessary to register)
totally fictitious names being registered to vote and then imposters hired to vote for these made up names (again, totally possible when no proof of identity, citizenship or residency is required either at the time of registration or when actually voting).
Now, I know many of you on the left say that this type of attitude is "disenfranchising minorities and the poor", but I really think it's just common sense.
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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Here's an interesting related article:
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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I think Bush has made some egregious errors about science and religion, and his inflexible personality has been terribly destructive to our political capital.
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But money talks, and those we'd like as friends sell their products and services to those who would destroy us, so it's always a balancing act.-
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skeek1 year, 1 month ago
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If you think money talks then perhaps you should try listening to it. Your country now faces its greatest economic crisis since the Depression. It will go down in history as one of Bush's many, great errors; the damage it will do to your country is, in the foreseeable future, irreversible.
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Shellfish7891 year, 1 month ago
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It's a Shame after a lot of people have lost their homes. jobs, 401K's, pension and their minds..People are still hanging on to the people who cause this distruction...
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When will you get enough...The BIG shots don't care about you! are you kidding....All of them have line their pockets with Tax payers money and Guess what WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY!
When will you see the light and vote for a man who is for everybody..not just the rich.....
What does it take .....we have lost too much already...
How much worser can it get....
Their is no more Middle class, we are in a depression because of the GREEDY CEO's and Other high officials...who stole large amount of mney and getting away with it....
WAKE UP and SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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I think it's hard for cons to accept the fact that our country has been destroyed AND that their extremely poor judgement in voting for Bush twice is the reason. They aren't even interested in redeeming themselves. They just don't want Democrats to have the satisfaction of saying we told them so. The country is in a shambles and they actually think they deserve another chance to cause more destruction. This is simply delusional on the part of cons. ;-(
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shellfish789-761 year, 1 month ago
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It's a Shame after a lot of people have lost their homes. jobs, 401K's, pension and their minds..People are still hanging on to the people who cause this distruction...
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When will you get enough...The BIG shots don't care about you! are you kidding....All of them have line their pockets with Tax payers money and Guess what WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY!
When will you see the light and vote for a man who is for everybody..not just the rich.....
What does it take .....we have lost too much already...
How much worser can it get....
Their is no more Middle class, we are in a depression because of the GREEDY CEO's and Other high officials...who stole large amount of mney and getting away with it....
WAKE UP and SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Nice post shellfish.
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It's nice to hear a voice of reason amid the fray of partisanship.
It's extreme partisanship that drove the ideologues within the Neo-Conservative party to try to prove there was wide-spread voter fraud ... perpetrated .... supposedly ... only by those voting for Democrats.
After years of looking ... SEARCHING ... Albierto Gonzalez ... (The Appointed Liar Of The Bush Administration) ... presented his findings to the Supreme Court.
They laughed him out of court.
But this will not stop the Partisan Extremists on the Right from their efforts to deny Americans their Right To Vote.
Why?
Because ... frankly ... .it's the only way the can win any longer.
The Republican Party is in decay.
The proof is in the Bush administration.
6 Years ... 6 Years where they had control of the Supreme Court, The House of Representatives, The Senate .... and the White House.
What did they do with this ultimate control?
Well ... they had a feeding frenzy ... quite frankly.
Why did they do this?
Because they don't care about Government.
They say this themselves. You always hear them say ... 'Government is BAD'.
See? They have no respect for Government.
You see what this lack of respect has done to our nation.
Record Deficits.
Massive Corporate Bailouts
Endless Warfare ... incompetently managed.
Gutting of Government programs.
Who votes for these people?
Who votes for these types of politicians are other people who don't care about our government. Their cynicism of Government is so deep ... they don't even realize that Our Government DEFINES who we are as a nation ... it's our shared expression of our civic hopes and aspirations.
That's why I say ... these people who promote Dis-Information HATE America. I'm not saying they are terrorists. But they DO hate the American Government.
Which is why ... it's so odd they continue to support George W. Bush and this type of politician ... because ... Bush has made our Government 40% BIGGER than when he took office?
Bigger ... and more incompetent.
One place where Obama is going to save BILLIONS ... is to simply scale back the massive Government developed by the present Neo-Cons.
So yes ... we should give Barack Obama a chance.
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shellfish789-761 year, 1 month ago
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This GREAT country has already been ruin...are you kidding!
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How much more of a ruin can you get.....Please Wake up and get with it...The Repulicans has ruin this country...!
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NoWayMan1 year, 1 month ago
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acorn won't work either.
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first, the $800,000 everyone keeps pointing to was for services during the primary, so it has nothing to do with whats happening now.
second, all those extra and strange registrations didn't come from the obama camp. and unless someone's got proof to show that it did, you've got nada. and it ain't fraud unless someone goes and tries to vote under a false or dead person's name. until then, there's simply no wrong doing.
and it stinks like rove and his dirty tricks dept anyway. who else would have an intense interest in trying to nullify all voters registered thru acorn? who else would have an intense interest in trying to make obama look bad?
the execution of this is so sloppy, its obvious that someone was trying to get caught. its also obvious that when you're ahead and kicking assss, you con't need to cheat to win. which also excludes obama since he's ahead and his lead is widening.
and who broke the story? fox. and who works for fox? rove.
it all smells like rove. and everybody knows it.
you ship is sinking cons. you guys have slipped 2 points since tyring to "break" this story.
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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You say the money was for services rendered during the primary. That kind of fills in one big piece of the puzzle, huh? You see, I always wondered how Obama did so well in the caucus states compared to Hillary. Hillary carried the overall vote in the primaries by something like 400,000 votes or so. Obama carried the caucus states something like 15 to 2. No telling how many ACORN workers earned their money by helping Obama in these important caucus states. Hillary knew somehting was wrong and now we are just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Fasten your seatbelt, it's going to be bumpy for Obama from here on out:
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The link shows the roots of the alleged problem (from mighty ACORN roots grow mighty oak trees) :
Systematic Corruption of the Party’s Caucus Procedures
The Committee received substantially similar reports of improprieties of such a number as to leave no conclusion but that the Obama campaign and its allies and supporters engaged in a planned effort to subvert the Party’s caucus procedures to its advantage. For example:
- Preference cards were premarked for Obama.
- Clinton supporters were denied preference cards on the basis that none were left, while Obama supporters at the same caucus sites were given preference cards.
- Caucus chairs obviously supporting Obama:
- Deliberately miscounted votes to favor Senator Obama.
- Deliberately counted unregistered persons as Obama votes.
- Deliberately counted young children as Obama votes.
- Refused to accept preference cards from Clinton supporters who were at the caucus site by noon on the ground that the cards were not filled out fast enough.
- Told Clinton supporters to leave prior to electing delegates.
- Clinton supporters who arrived late were turned away from the caucus, while late Obama supporters were admitted to the caucus.
Manipulation of the Voter Registration Process
Numerous reports received by the Committee demonstrate a concerted effort on the part of the Obama campaign and its supporters to prevent eligible voters supporting a candidate other than Senator Obama from caucusing. The Obama supporters complained of were acting in positions of authority at the caucus sites. Some of these reports are as follows: -
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- Obama supporters wrongly informed Clinton supporters that they were not allowed to participate in the caucus if their names were not on the voter rolls. However, Obama supporters whose names did not appear on the voter rolls were permitted to register at the caucus site.
- Obama supporters falsely informed Clinton supporters that no registration forms were available for them to register to vote at the caucus site.
- Obama supporters wrongly told Clinton supporters who were attempting to caucus at the wrong precinct that they could not caucus at that site, while simultaneously permitting Obama supporters at the wrong precinct to participate.
- Obama supporters were allowed to move to the front of the registration and sign-in line.
Voter Suppression and Intimidation
The Committee received a substantial number of disturbing reports from voters that they had been subject to harassment, intimidation or efforts to prevent them from voting. Some of the most egregious of these complaints are described below:
- Voters at at-large caucus sites were informed that those sites were for Obama supporters only.
- Clinton supporters at at-large caucus sites were told that their managers would be watching them while they caucused.
- Workers were informed that their supervisors kept lists of Clinton and Obama supporters, and were told that they could not caucus unless their name was on the list of Obama supporters.
- Many Clinton supporters were threatened with employment termination or other discipline if they caucused for Senator Clinton.
- Workers were required to sign a pledge card to support Obama if they wanted time off to participate in the caucus.
- Workers at one casino were offered a lavish lunch and permitted to attend and register to vote only if they agree to support Obama.-
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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As usual you're spouting something that's not true. Fact was, in the non-caucus states Rush Limbaugh was urging his supporters to vote for Hilary. The caucuses required to much time and concentration for Limbaugh supporters. They didn't want to rub elbows with us heathen. The caucuses actually gave a result that was more closely in line with the state's democrats.
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bluebirdwatcher11 year, 1 month ago
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Texas had a terrible mess the night of the Dems caucus (here we have a two step process) and the votes weren't counted for several days. I don't caucus so don't know what all the troubles were but I surmised that hanky-panky was going on. Some were told to go to the wrong place and then were not allowed to enter. I was sure as an observer that Hiliary was not treated right. I liked Hillary
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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So you are saying that the state's democrats supported Obama 75% to 25%?
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You, sir, are spouting the untruth here. All I ask is that you look into the caucus state issue with an open mind. It's like a beacon of light illuminating the issue of ACORN, Obama and voter fraud.
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NoWayMan1 year, 1 month ago
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the funniest part of the video is when it claims acorn "forced" banks to make bad mortgage loans, then fails to explain how anyone could actually "force" banks to do such a thing. and all these ridiculous claims that acorn made this happen come from Rupert Murdoch's NY Post.
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anyone with a brain stem knows the banks were NOT forced to make those bad loans. they did it on their own accord.
then the video claims that Obama is responsible for all the strange registrations that are happening now. again, with not one shred of proof. and as I stated above, this has Rove's fingerprints all over it, not Obama's. and its NOT voter fraud unless people actually try to vote under these fake registrations. so as is, there is no crime. no voter fraud. no matter what you say.
and your link is nothing but a rightist blog. its has a quote from hillary clinton's consel, who would say anything to win during the primaries, and it was still just opinion, and then the blogger immediately launches into something about the nazis (yawn).
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McCain plans to TAX everyone's health benefits, for the first time in history. how LAME is that?
so, good luck with ths strategy, but so far it ain't working.
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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Get ready, NoWayMan, it's coming. Here's a much more thorough explanation of several questionable results from the caucus states (it is a pdf file) :
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http://www.lynettelong.com/CaucusAnalysisCorrected...
In several of the caucus states, Obama won by margins in the 75% to 25% range. Doesn't it take the willing suspension of disbelief to think that there was nothing more than "Obama-mania" going on in these caucuses?
And before you try to sweep this link under the rug for being from a "right wing blog", Lynette Long is a lifelong Democrat and will be voting for McCain.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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Clinton won the popular vote in the democratic primary. I think Soros' MoveOn.org support of Obama was probably key in Obama's actually winning the primary.
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Like this you mean????
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John McCain funded by Soros since 2001
WND ^ | February 12, 2008 | Jerome R. Corsi
Posted on February 11, 2008 9:01:48 PM by Tigen
Candidate's Reform Institute also accepted funds from Teresa Kerry
As Sen. John McCain assumes the GOP front-runner mantle, his long-standing, but little-noticed association with left-wing donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics.
In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros' Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.
McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.
In 2006, the Arizona senator was forced to sever his formal ties with the Reform Institute after a controversial $200,000 contribution from Cablevision came to light. McCain solicited the donation for the Reform Institute using his membership on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. In a letter to the Federal Communications Commission, he supported Cablevision's push to introduce the more profitable al la carte pricing, rather than packages of TV programming.
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purpleicon1 year, 1 month ago
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It would be nice if the Republicans who call Obama a muslim would read once in a while. He is a Christian, and went to a muslim school for a year or two. There are people who go to schools that are Catholic that are not themselves. There a many good muslims as well as many good Christians. Spreading fear and misinformation just gets the rednecks going.
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They've read.
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They simply do not care.
It's the Swift-Boat faction.
The philosophy is ... 'throw as much mud as quickly as you can ... and hope some of it sticks'.
Of course, the problem with this philosophy is that ... it leaves more mud on those doing the throwing than anyone else.
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lovemylibs1 year, 1 month ago
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purpleicon, the fear and misinformation comes from both sides. Or did you not see the stories about Palin being her own child's grandmother or McCain's "cross in the dirt" story and how it was plagiarized? It comes from both sides. To say otherwise is being a propagandist.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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It probably will 'happen again.' Did you know that ACORN has turned in people they found doing 'funny stuff?' Did you know that when they find a registration card that looks fishy, they also turn that in to election officials? I know this is stuff you don't want to hear. But I'll say it anyway.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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I have to say, there is no word in our language to describe how fed up I am with this crap. There is NO evidence to ANY of the lies about ACORN, and this is NOTHING MORE than a smoke screen for the caging going on all over this country. Obama filed suit against one bunch of CONS who tried to disenfranchise people who'd lost their homes. They backed off.
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ACORN is nothing more than low income communities becoming involved in the political process & helping one another. There is no group with LESS of a voice in WA. D.C. than the poor. They are trying to give their neighbors a voice by getting them to vote, & it says a whole lot about the people on here who buy into this 'voter fraud' nonsense. WHERE is the fraud? WHERE is the proof? WHY aren't you up in arms about voter caging? Is it because caging is going on in districts that bend toward democrats? Of course it is! I just stopped by to put another voice to the un-American activity going on here. Silence is consent.-
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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Nope, sorry Nix....you lose. You're on the fear and smear bandwagon, & I know you like it there. But I'm afraid you don't have evidence of that. Just fear and smear. Say, where can I find your indignation about caging? Must have missed that.
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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I've had my registration thrown out. Watched them do it, the first time I registered to vote. I didn't know about people like this then. It took 11 attempts to finally get registered in my liberal state. So no, it's not smear. It's personal experience.
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lfergie8121 year, 1 month ago
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I'm suppose to believe you had your registration was thrown out in a liberal state? Why with all the lies that you've told on here should anybody believe that story? Knowing full well that the stories that are being spread about Obama are false and you repeat them makes your creditability questionable.
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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Thanks, you just won me $20.
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I really don't care what you believe. I never thought for a second that you would believe me anyway. You narrow-minded intolerant libs never believe anything a conservative says, why would now be any different? I know what happened to me, so I will continue to tell people that liberals throw away Republican registrations, because it is a fact. I have also had some lovely experiences with being denied service and assistance for being white. But you wouldn't be interested in hearing about them, either, as they do not fit the little liberal world view you have created for yourself.
The nice thing is, I don't hold grudges. I don't like Obama for the simple fact that he's a blazing liberal.
Oh, and I'd love it if you could point out a lie I've told in any of my comments.
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I have to say, there is no word in our language to describe how fed up I am with this crap. There is NO evidence to ANY of the lies about ACORN, and this is NOTHING MORE than a smoke screen for the caging going on all over this country
Just a few min ago i saw a report on tv where Acorn registered a 7 year old girl as being 27 and a bum was registered over a dozen times they had all the proof right there on the news.
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bobmendx11 year, 1 month ago
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lets say Obama is an honorable man., Lets take that bas a given... "but" does that qualify him to be the President of this the most power full country in the world. Sorry not from what I have seen I just see an empty suit with no lil flag on it's lapel. And the next "intellectual" who says I'm a raciest because I can not vote for him is going to find my size 10 jump boot where the sun don't shine. Show a man or woman ,black white or green who has accomplished something in there life besides always running for office and I'll give them a shot but not this Rev. Ike want to be
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jovial1 year, 1 month ago
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It appears that the submitter of this story hasn't learned from past history that stories should be submitted under the subject area. This was submitted under News. Since it was directly from JohnMcCain.com there is some doubt that this is indeed a News story, but instead a story that should be under politics. Duly noted and reported.
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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Or this one posted by VoteMeCool in News:
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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Did you also duly note and report this story posted by capj71 in News:
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McCain Forced to Reject Pastor’s Holy War Comments Against Obama
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Nixie1 year, 1 month ago
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And then there’s this one also posted by Capj71 in News:
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John McCain’s Fading Hopes in Pennsylvania
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/12/john-mcc...
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dissent1 year, 1 month ago
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yeah i think marx is cool but that's because i'm not afraid to read it. ever read any marx a***man? nah of course you haven't. you're too afraid of all those things you've been told to be afraid of without ever once asking why. a coward
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db5281 year, 1 month ago
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First McSame said the fundamentals of the economy are strong, then, when the financial institutions started failing, he said he had to rush back to Washington to "fix" the economy, then, at the meeting in Washington he didn't say anything. A vote for McSame is too risky.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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tatf, NBC came right out and stated they support Obama, and CNN has been very obvious about it, lately, too. And the Washington Post has long been over-the-top left-leaning in both their articles and the editorials and letters-to-the-editor they print.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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Fox is the only one pulling for the poor conservatives except for a few secondary news outlets. Red Eye is in poor taste, but can be amusing. And O'Reilly has mostly stopped shouting over those he disagrees with. He must have swallowed the blue pill.
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kpo03271 year, 1 month ago
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Barack OBama supports getting more people involved in the voting process. Soemthing we have been talking about for years (low voter turn out).
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Now he is to blame for some bad actors in this large organization?
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crikit1 year, 1 month ago
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Finally we will have a President whose intelligence we can all respect and who is a declared citizen of the world.
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1. He believes vehemently in the good in man. He and his family listened to a repertoire of contemptible sermons for twenty years and heard only good utterances from his now infamous Pastor.
2. He is a very humble man who worked closely with a renowned activist (Bill Ayers) and now never mentions this formative relationship.
3. He believes in healthy spiritual activity, when he organized and paraded in the Million man march with renowned Chicago reverends (Wright, Farrakhaln & Flager) at his side.
4. He knows the importance of creating votes, when he helped create the ACORN political apparatus.
5. He is very creative, last Memorial day he stated that an imaginary WWII veteran Uncle of his was in the squad that first reached the Jews imprisoned at Auschwitz
6. He is a rapt student of finance/economics with Sen. Dodd and Rep. Frank as his sagacious mentors.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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jackisbackprt41 year, 1 month ago
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"John McCain and the Republicans are desperately trying to shift the blame for the economic crisis they caused with a philosophy of deregulation and indifference to homeowners" This is the key statement. McCain and his repubbie associates have worked diligently to prevent any attempts to stop deregulation and low or no oversight. McCain and his repubbies have ensured this trend went on for years. Now that the effects not only of predatory lending practices, but other more corrupt forms of greed and corruption by republicans in particular and their global counterparts have blown up in the face of the world, the spineless republicans are attempting to blame it all on poor people in America. Yet it is the republicans who made it possible for predatory lenders to thrive. Obama is not the head of ACORN and is currently not affiliated with ACORN. This ridiculous attempt to tie Obama in with ACORN to disrupt his campaign, does nothing but add to the confusion of the purpose the repubbies are attempting against Obama.
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tatf1 year, 1 month ago
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Why isn't Congress or the Senate asking for an immediate investigation into ACORN. Afterall the illegal activities are federal in scope(across state lines) and it afftects the national election. OH WAIT. I forgot. The Democrates control both the Congress and Senate. They absoolutely no interest in learning the truth; as a matter of fact they fear the truth. And the media is more concerned with some "abuse of power" in Alaska over the firing of a person of little consequence.
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The new motto of the Socialist left and the media is the same as that of Rev Wright: God Damn America.-
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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Because cons shrugged off concerns about voting irregularities from 2000 as sour grapes and you people trot out your same tired CRAP about ACORN every major election and yet somehow you can never get anything to stick against the wall. That's because all cons have left is desperation and lies. ;-(
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NancyCronk1 year, 1 month ago
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McCain is losing because he has never spoke about real issues, like Obama and Biden do. He only spreads deceitful rumors through his media puppet, Fox "news".
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It is always obvious who watches Fox "news" and who doesn't, based on the lies they believe to be true. Fox news is 100% corporate lies. They have no obligation to tell the truth about anything. They feed you lies so that you vote against your own best economic interests. They are completely paid for by big businesses that want to take your money. It is so sad to see people watch Fox news and not realize they are being "had" by one huge corporate lying machine. As you watch their programs and believe their lies, you vote Republican. They make tons of money off of you, and your children suffer. Tragic. TRAGIC. -
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McCain is losing because he has never spoke about real issues, like Obama and Biden do. He only spreads deceitful rumors through his media puppet, Fox "news".
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It is always obvious who watches Fox "news" and who doesn't, based on the lies they believe to be true. Fox news is 100% corporate lies. They have no obligation to tell the truth about anything. They feed you lies so that you vote against your own best economic interests. They are completely paid for by big businesses that want to take your money. It is so sad to see people watch Fox news and not realize they are being "had" by one huge corporate lying machine. As you watch their programs and believe their lies, you vote Republican. They make tons of money off of you, and your children suffer. Tragic. TRAGIC. -
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 1 month ago
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This is swift boating only in a different way, I am getting really tired of the sensationalized posting done by the GOP trolls, 3 weeks till election and then they will disappear. Never to be heard from again (I hope and pray) and not missed.
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It's really sickening how low these posters, grovel in their "National Enquirer" style posting, rolling in the mud of lies. You only have 3 weeks left to post your crapola and then you can go back to your caves.-
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myqwerty1 year, 1 month ago
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I am here to grovel in my Washington Times style posting. And while I am at it I will grovel with a letter from the President of Kenya. Now this to me seems like abuse of a senators power. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/ob...
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myqwerty1 year, 1 month ago
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Here is a sensationalized posting for you. Straight from the mouths of Kenyans.
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orndorffter1 year, 1 month ago
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Like I said you cannot get away with voting under a fake name you have to show Picture ID verifie where you live, and we can not even gave them help you can set at the table and explaine how to do it but no one can vote under a fake name , let them try sucurity would be on them like hot cake every move that is made in your voting precent is watched and theres no way .
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Like I said you cannot get away with voting under a fake name you have to show Picture ID verifie where you live, and we can not even gave them help you can set at the table and explaine how to do it but no one can vote under a fake name , let them try sucurity would be on them like hot cake every move that is made in your voting precent is watched and theres no way .
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We Americans have always come together to fight oppression and hardship, no matter what the time or place. Our country is in a war and a turmoil, there is great conspircies and corruption. Our governments has turned their back on us they all work together,our Leaders are behind this with all their cover ups. The united States of America is the freest nation of all but they have put America in such a big lose its terrible.And how did our great nation get this way? Our president Mr Bush,The Republicans with their wealth and thrier prommise of a better life has failed us we have to live in tolerance. IT'S HUMAN NATUR WHER WE CAN BELONG AND FEEL IMPORTANTAND ALL Americans should stand together as one to give of ourself to help one another as you see nobody cares anymor, and why is that? the word greed.most of us probaly find it hard to give of ourselfs because of all the confusion going on here in America. We have stoodtogether before and we did it thumbs up we can do it now
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We Americans have always come together to fight oppression and hardship, no matter what the time or place. Our country is in a war and a turmoil, there is great conspircies and corruption. Our governments has turned their back on us they all work together,our Leaders are behind this with all their cover ups. The united States of America is the freest nation of all but they have put America in such a big lose its terrible.And how did our great nation get this way? Our president Mr Bush,The Republicans with their wealth and thrier prommise of a better life has failed us we have to live in tolerance. IT'S HUMAN NATUR WHER WE CAN BELONG AND FEEL IMPORTANTAND ALL Americans should stand together as one to give of ourself to help one another as you see nobody cares anymor, and why is that? the word greed.most of us probaly find it hard to give of ourselfs because of all the confusion going on here in America. We have stoodtogether before and we did it thumbs up we can do it now
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xddy4u21 year, 1 month ago
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The FEAR factor won't work this time. Every Presidential election
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the GOP start some fear factor. Most of the REPs are descendants of this tactic. See what fear has gotten us,It's gotten us a President that have tanked not only this country, but the World. Get out of this funk ones in your life and support a REAL candidate, Obama. McCain has shown that he is a JOKE. And Palin couldn't even be Biden's maid, and you dummies what her as VP. Get real. -
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