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german-shepard1 year, 1 month ago
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It makes sense. Papa B. did the same thing after he lost to Clinton. He invaded Kuwait and left the slamassel to his victor. I wouldn't expect any less from Baby B.
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Republicans do not think of the country, but of revenge. As one of my earlier con-acquaintances in Phoenix put it, "I don't get mad, I get even."-
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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(Operation Desert Storm) began on January 16, 1991, two years before the end of his term.
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And Off topic he(Pappa_Bush) did write this about invading and occupying Iraq:
We were disappointed that Saddam's defeat did not break his hold on power, as many of our Arab allies had predicted and we had come to expect. President Bush repeatedly declared that the fate of Saddam Hussein was up to the Iraqi people. Occasionally, he indicated that removal of Saddam would be welcome, but for very practical reasons there was never a promise to aid an uprising. While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome
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splitrch1 year, 1 month ago
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Bush Sr. isn't a dastardly person like Jr. is. It is too bad his brains didn't make it into W's head. The problems we have are a result of W's feelings of inadequacy (well founded I might add).
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Senior had 2 problems - the economy turned sour (Voodoo Economics bit his ass - not Reagan's and Ross Perot split the Republican ticket enabling Clinton to win the Presidency).
As far as the video clip goes I think Bill Kristol and the Fox Noise talking heads are trying to scare the sheep and the fence sitters away from voting for Obama. Kristol repeats the lie that Obama would sit down with our enemies with no precondition. Obama has repeatedly explained himself. They only spout what the sheep will buy.
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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Not sure about the interim period. However the first gulf war need not have been fought. GWHB snookered Saddam into invading Kuwait. Why would he do that? Well he is an ex Navy pilot with strong ties to the military. He just could stomach the cuts that the end of the cold war was bringing to the military(and military contractors). What better way than to turn their ally into the new Hitler and frighten Americans into defending the freedom....er,..um the Kingdom of Kuwait.
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I retrospect this snooker turned out to be a good thing. Why? Because Saddam, was developing a nuclear capacity, undetected by his enabling allies in the West. I say enabling because Saddam would never had gotten the materials had Raygun not taken him off the list of nations who supported terrorism. That allowed Saddam to buy Western technology from us and our other allies. Saddam even sent undercover procurment agents to get items that even the Rayguns wouldn't let him have, right under their noses. Anyway the facilities were destroyed by bombs during the run-up to the first war and Saddam was never able to rebuild them.-
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Thinker221 year, 1 month ago
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> GWHB snookered Saddam into invading Kuwait. Why would he do that?
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I don't know. I also don't know HOW he did that. "Snookering" Saddam into invading Kuwait assumes that Saddam was either an idiot or a trator (or both) willing to bring a disaster to his own country in order to please a foreign "snookerer".
I'm very sceptical about arguments based on an assumtion that everyone is an idiot.
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bef10001 year, 1 month ago
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you are such creeps, all of you are disgusting, who support Obama, he is the lowest form of scum. Anti-American, wont produce hisown birth records,to even show he is a citizen, people are not listening, just hearing their savior speak, well they better be listening. He is not for America, he is destroying Everything we stand for, him and all of his ACorn, and domestic terrorist, Willam Ayer and his sick wife, all the other scumhe hangs with isdisgusting,
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fresnodanny1 year, 1 month ago
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Are you even bothering to think before you type? If anyone is anti-american, it is everyone who has been behind bush/cheney/mccain and gang this whole time. THEY/YOU have reduced our country to what it has become today. The name calling is not only juvenile but dangerous because you are an ADULT not a child on a playground. You are scary and are likely indoctrinating your children to be as ignorant and foolish as you are. If you would just stop a moment and try to look at everything objectively, you would see the error of your ways. However, if after reading, hearing, seeing and knowing all that we've had before us in way of information, you still can believe what you wrote, you'll never be able to do that. All objectivity is out the window and insanity rules your household. That there are so many more of you out there is frightening for our entire country.
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rightfromwrong1 year, 1 month ago
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"ditto" fresnodanny. It is so sad what new ows America has fallen to under this administration. All the people they have killed like the 4,000troops, the 3,500 in the towers and perhaps 600,000 Iraqis plus over 20,000 injured troop and another 1,000,000 displaced Iraqis.
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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Cleare, I think the number of dead among our allies is more in the range of 1,100 to 1,200. There are other dead though. There are over 1,000 military contractors. There are also about 1,000 U.S. and allied dead in Afghanistan. So your total is pretty close.
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rightfromwrong1 year, 1 month ago
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"ditto" fresnodanny. It is so sad what new ows America has fallen to under this administration. All the people they have killed like the 4,000troops, the 3,500 in the towers and perhaps 600,000 Iraqis plus over 20,000 injured troop and another 1,000,000 displaced Iraqis.
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StevieGee1 year, 1 month ago
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Hey bef!! First of all Obama IS American. He HAS produced his birth record. He WAS born in the USA....(McCain was born in Panama)... You just don't see what's going on because you are blinded by hate. As far as destroying everything YOU stand for, I think that's great because most Americans don't stand with you or others like you...(nazis).
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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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'When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
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“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.'
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...-
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SunSpot1 year, 1 month ago
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Thanks, Candida.....it's good to get that cleared up.
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It absolutely amazes me that someone who is, presumably, part of the "Christian Right" (Bef1000), or perhaps simply ultra-right, would even type a message portraying anyone who is supportive of Obama as "creeps...disgusting...and scum". That's "love thy neighbor" at its best {{NOT}}
I used to come onto Propeller daily because I could find intelligent - albeit it frequently conflicting - frames of reference. Because it WAS intelligent discourse, it would encourage me to consider both sides of the story...I followed all of the links provided...and actually thought (sometimes very hard) about everyone's perspective. I learned a lot. However, lately, the vitriol has become so infantile and acerbic that I tend to shy away from this site.
It's good to see some of the people from the "old" propellor. There were many of you, both sides of the fence, I simply just respected. You provided your thoughts, often times links, occassionally humor. For that, I that you all.
Bef1000, you simply spew hate. Thanks for your opinion, but no thanks. It's time for this populace as a country to move on....past the "same 'ole, same 'ole". It's time to anticipate future needs, and to act upon them. And we need an intelligent person to guide that helm; to look at various options; to anticipate "unintended consequences"; to just, plain old lead. I'm tired of riding "the hell in a hand basket" express. I want off. I need as a leader someone who can do that. My prayers (yes, I, too, am a Christian) are with Obama. Please save your hate for another forum.
And this, folks, is the most I've ever written on Propeller. Thank you...thank you, very much! (And God bless Elvis!)
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orndorffter1 year, 1 month ago
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You are right SteviiGee; I would for all of you to read http://www.prisonplanet.com and please read the up date of actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story. Sheen agreed that the biggest comspiacy theory was put out by the government itself and prefaced his argument by quoting Theodore Rooservelt in stating, that we are to stand by thr President right or wrong. There is enogh imfomation about 0/11 and conspiracy to back him. please read. this is something Bush would have done and the money that was paid.. It's time for me to jump in the sack and I have something for all of you's, Most of our leaders in the past missed the grear Secert, which is to empower and share with others. This is the best time to ever been alive in histiry. It's the frist time we've everhad the power to gain knowledge at our fingger tips, with this knowledge you are becoming aware of the truth of the worldand ourself. May the Secert bring you love and joy for your entire existense.--From me to all of you to all goodnight..
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Lurch1 year, 1 month ago
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There is no one more anti-american than McCain.
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Obama is a self-made man who worked his way up from school-lunch assistance to the Dem candidate for the presidency. He is the American Dream.
You`re just jealous because you`ve never seen such a real man before who actually worked for it and earned it.
McCain on the other hand is a socialist who has gotten ahead solely by living off other people and other people`s money. No talent, no brains, no nothing.
He even betrayed our military and vets by voting against VA funding five times, voting against troop funding, voting against armor, voting against equal down time as combat time, voting against ending a counterproductive and completely unnecessary war, and being against the New GI bill. McCain has his world-class socialized medicine, so why should he care if any other Vets get what they deserve. He makes it incredibly obvious he does not care if they live, die, heal, or whatnot, just as long as he has enough fodder to become a `war president`.
As far as connections go, have you ever heard of the bin Ladens? They are family friends and past business associates with the Bush family. But that`s ok, right, cause the Bushies are Republicans and bin Ladin only killed 3,000 Americans. Ayers did not kill a fly, but Obama is a Dem so obviously Ayers is more dangerous in your RW logic.
The anti-earmark/pro-entitlement McCain picked the earmark queen for his running mate. Mr. Experience also showed some swell judgment by choosing an unvetted and completely inexperienced running mate.
Bush/McCain go against everything we and the Founding Fathers stand for. Honesty, ethics, constitutionalism, rule by law, fiscal responsibility, govt for the people, etc.-
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lisaanti-obama1 year, 1 month ago
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The only thing Obama stands for is winning the presidency for his on popularity. He's not going to do no more for all you people who votes for him than he has done for his half-brother in Kenya wholives in a shack. that's why you have Acorn the organization Obama and his campaign paid over 800,000 dollars to help register voters that are not legally registered to vote just duplicate copied signatures of ignorant people like you who dont care how he wins just so he wins. Watch the news and tune in to the ACORN INVESTIGATION!
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A proud registerd black voter! Mccain for President!!!!!-
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ttrojak-861 year, 1 month ago
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Justlike all the young people who will vote for bac o rama ( sounds like a flee market dont it)if they get out of bed that day. Well anyway you think obama will get you everything for nothing. I want my Ipod now and I dont care who pays for it. The generation of
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instant grad if cation
Have college but missed accounting 101
200,000 dollar house not enough want 500,000 dollar house , and dont even know the morgage guy you went to college with is selling you a bad loan, and you take it. Vote for bac o rama and suffer later.
I'm 67 years old worked hard all my life never asked the goverment to pay for anything, paid taxes did not like it, but I still Live in the best Country in the world. If Obama want to be president, let him go to the middle east ,where his money comes from , see if they will elect him. I dont think so they are not that stupid and need him to sell us out. how come that chicken **** obama never went in the service, he could have talked Arabic , or been a mouth piece for the goverment.
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fresnodanny1 year, 1 month ago
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an MRI may reveal you have an empty scull. there is absolutely no indication there's a brain in there. well... at least not a WORKING brain. have you even bothered to see where the money comes from on BOTH sides? they share many of the same contributors except mccain has a whole list of banks and oil companies that obama doesn't. you're pathetic.
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SunSpot1 year, 1 month ago
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Fresno....don't even bother trying. The comments of lisaanti-obama and ttrojak-86 are simply not worth replying to.
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They simply don't care. They will not listen to logic, reason, nor fact. I was going to say they are mindless clones, but then, I would be playing down to their level. Suffice it to say....the truth "will out".
I am simply appauled to where the McCain/Palin team has taken the rhetoric of this election. I have become almost.....and I say, ALMOST, ashamed to call myself an American because of their hateful spew. However, I LOVE this country too much....and I spent a good portion of my life living in other countries. America is the greatest country on the face of the Earth. I hope we can reclaim our supremacy.
Fres...once again, don't even bother trying. Intelligence, integrity and class WILL win.
Obama/Biden '08
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Daniele19691 year, 1 month ago
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I have to admit, bef1000, that your "violent" reaction scares me. Reminds me of those crazy people that were shouting at McCain's rallies. YOU are the reason for his statement on Saturday (was it Saturday?) He has become afraid of YOU PEOPLE - the rabid fanatics. Him and Palin and been pushing and provoking and now it's come to people shouting at his rallies to Kill Obama! McCain is now terribly afraid that one of you crazies is going to go after Obama with a gun and who will the press blame?
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McCain.
Though, I do applaude his attempt to make Obama a "person" again, but I think it might be too late.
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r167271 year, 1 month ago
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As all who denies the birth of an child with a Kansas "White" woman and a African Father, get a life. He was born an American citizen, creeps. Get over it. The only thing that matters is If you feel he and his cabinet will be beneficial in changing the economy. America is composed of many ethnics backgrounds, Polish. Italians, Germans, English, Asians, Japanese, Koreans, etc. Learn your history bigot.
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dissent1 year, 1 month ago
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the next president won't have time for and can't afford the two wars we've already got going. there's no way we can afford an even bigger and third war. no this next president is going to be busy trying to save the country from the ruin left by bush. this next president will be too busy trying to keep people in jobs and food on the table. i'm afraid that ain't mccain. that's more "liberal" thinking than he can handle :|
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SunSpot1 year, 1 month ago
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Dissent....
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Hear! Hear! Yup, the next guy to inhabit the house at 1600 Pennsylvania is going to have a Ton O'Scheiss (sp?) on his plate. I just worry that we, the taxpayer, are paying so much right now to bail out the banks, Wall Street, AIG, etc., that we won't have enough to invest in those programs that will actually bring ASSETS to this country....Green Jobs, Factory Re-Engineering, Weatherization....etc......the investment in a Green Economy that is going to save this country.
We can only pray, hope and plan.
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SunSpot1 year, 1 month ago
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Hi ISITJUSTME.....
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NOPE...not another 4. We've just experienced today the socialization of the solvent banks. That's AFTER we bought an insurance company. I don't think ANYONE - either side of the aisle - wants to own companies. It's anti-American; it's anti-Constitutional; it's anti-Capitalist; it's anti-Free-market (God Bless Friedman, he's gotta be rollin' right now). It is...despite any fancy word-work they want to place on it....a BAIL OUT..... I've gotten fired from jobs doing a better job than this! And I didn't earn anywhere near $ 1/2 to $1 B/year
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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1980 During the campaign most polls showed the two major candidates locked in an even contest. The election produced a different picture. The Republican team of Ronald Reagan and George Bush was swept into office in a landslide victory with about 51% of the popular vote (and 489 electoral votes) to Carter's 42% (49 electoral votes) and Anderson's 7% (no electoral votes). Here is the faith in McCain.The dumbocrat dribble and kindergarden whining is unbelievable. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Racism knows no color. There are White racist,Black racist,Brown racist, ECT. To some it is a hatred, to some it is distrust, and to others it is a tool of deceit. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one "guppy" called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type situation(Carter years), and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. Obama's record shows nothing to recommend him. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems.
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A BIG ATTABOY to djn3nunez3 for setting the record straight.-
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SunSpot1 year, 1 month ago
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Excuse me, but we're already socialist. We bailed out AIG and now we're going to bail out solvent banks. This is under a GWB-Republican party. I'm sorry...if the party in power gets the credit, the party in power gets the discredit.
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splitrch1 year, 1 month ago
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According to the right wing it's only socialism if you take care of the poor, sick, uneducated and downtrodden. If you try to improve the whole country by strengthening it's weakest members you are a socialist. On the other hand, if you bail out corporations who made short sighted greedy decisions that brought us to ruin, it's considered good economic policy.
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The real issue is when will we take our country back from the crooks in Brooks Brothers suits? This country is so screwed its frightening.
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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The only way Jimmy Carter was going to win in 1980 is if he got the hostages back from Iran. Ronnie and George made sure that would not happen by illegally negociating with the Iranians to keep them prisoners until after Ronnie was in office.
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We have been sliding toward socialism and fascism for a century. It is ingrained and embraced by both the Republicans and Democrats. They are playing Good cop/Bad cop on the American people and we've been fleesed.
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