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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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Both Sen. Obama and Mr. Ayers spoke at a testimonial dinner for Rashid Khalidi, a former member of the Palestine Liberation Organization and a founder of the rabidly anti-Israel Arab American Action Network, when Mr. Khalidi left the University of Chicago for Columbia University. Sen. Obama lectured part time at the University of Chicago law school from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.-
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Karlyc1 year, 1 month ago
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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EHS1 year, 1 month ago
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Obama states in his book, The Audacity of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." He has had questionable friendships throughout his life even in college. What do we know about his college, Pakistan roommates? His associations all appear radical even with this Acorn group whose actions are questioned by protesting and intimidating bankers and their families to make them give out loans to people who coudn't afford them.Then Obama takes in Frank Raines as an advisor, who took $90 million dollars from Fannie Mae while working only 6 years there. And now we have to deal with all the voting registration fraud. This is just like his Socialist cousin Raila Odingo in Kenya who caused so much distress while running for president and lost., leaving the country in turmoil last Dec. 07. Is Raila in the country to help with registration??
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crespi1 year, 1 month ago
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Since you conservatives hate Muslims so much could you please teel me why so many ultra-conservative (formerly American based) corporations are moving their main offices to Dubai and other Muslim countries?
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Also, if the goal of the Iraq "war" was to bring them Democracy why are you so anti-Muslim as to constantly let them know you feel they are not welcome?-
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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I'm still trying to figure out how cons think we can win a so called war on terrorism if we behave as if all Muslims are terrorists. That doesn't seem like a very realistic approach to convincing people our way of life is worth emulating but maybe that's just me. ;-(
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. This is supposed to be an election for president not PR rock star. You are hiring the CEO of Firm USA. Who do you want to run the firm, a manager with over 25 years experience or the newly hired stockboy, with questionable judgement? If you complain about Palin's experience to be VP candidate where does that leave Obama? She has more real experience than he has. Or is Obama really running as Biden's VP? Birds of a feather flock together. With friends like his, why would the USA need any enemies?
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If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill-
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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"I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said
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"He's a decent family man, a citizen who I just happen to have serious differences with on fundamental questions." McCain said -
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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http://themocker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/mc...
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I think McCain is dangerously unstable and unfit to lead. I didn't trust George W Bush to lead our country effectively and he didn't prove me wrong even once. -
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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Age and experience unfortunately can't be give to the young, but you can try to educate them to avoid the mistakes of the past. Whether they learn or not is up to them. Experience is the best teacher, but it charges a hell of a price.If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain--Sir Winston Churchhill
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Karlyc wrote: "It turns out that terrorist Ayers actually ghost-wrote Obama's first "memoir""
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This is just more Palinopsia. It's a real medical disorder. Look it up.
You see "facts" drawn from a well established liar, Andy Martin, and end up thinking lies are facts because they keep dancing before your eyes. Obama wrote both his books with his own hand. His connection with Mr. Ayers is tenuous at best. Ayers is not a terrorist. He did some terrible things 40 years ago when Obama was a child, but has redeemed himself and is a prominent member of his community today.
That's more than can be said for the rabid right and their push for a new racist, fascist state in America.-
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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What was McCain's class rank, Klarissa? And how many years did Palin spend hopping among multiple colleges to get a journalism degree, Klarissa? Please remind us and remind us what she told Katie Couric when asked what news sources she reads to stay informed. Thanks. ;-P
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RedstateLib1 year, 1 month ago
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" Ayers is not a terrorist. He did some terrible things 40 years ago when Obama was a child, but has redeemed himself and is a prominent member of his community today."
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Right and given the chance by technicality and a rich father to pave his way Timothy McViegh may have redeemed himself and become a prominent member of his community today. Maybe we should have just overlooked his actions as well?-
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ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago
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Timothy McVeigh deliberately killed 173 innocent people. The Weather Underground set off a few bombs intended to do nothing but property damage. The only people who ever were injured or killed by their activities were 3 of their own members when a device they were building went off in their hands.
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I'm certainly not excusing what Ayers did. But to equate the two shows your depth of blind hatred.
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mama-d1 year, 1 month ago
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WAKE UP sheeple before it is too late. obomba is lying through his teeth and you all want to run up for a second serving. maybe most of you are not old enough to remember slick willie and his "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" speech but obomba's "he is just a guy who lives in my neighborhood" speech sounded so similar in delivery. and low and behold the truth came out about the true connection and it was a little more than "just a guy in my neighborhood". his constant lies amaze me that sheeple are still moving towards the slaughter with this guy. maybe it is his hypnotic style of speaking where he hisses after each s. sooth smooth sounds special........HELLO ARE YOU STILL AWAKE?
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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After I get mine for impersonating Goppy, slate. And how typical that you'd ridicule those of us who can't keep track of cons' multiple Propeller personalities (because this or that con has been banned multiple times) rather than the poster who was banned. Just like you, slate. Warped perspective as usual.
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vor1 year, 1 month ago
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That's BS and you know it! I just read the article you are referring to. It, like all of this krap is insinuation.No actual evidence of impropriety just your sleazy little imaginations running wild. Do you really think Obama sympathizes with terrorists? That he is running for this office to give away America? If he did his damndest he still couldn't compete with the damage done by the Bush administration.
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You would have attacked Hillary in the same way if she was the nominee. Just absolutely disgusted with the behavior of my fellow Americans. You don't realize the damage you are doing to this country. Nor apparently realize the damage those you previously brought to power have done. We will all go down on the same sinking ship.-
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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slate? C'mon, slate...Why do cons like to pretend that Bush's low 20s approval ratings are because 80% of Americans are Democrats? Maybe the Democrats had some help in like-minded Independents and Republicans? Do the math... You people rejected your own party for a RINO. Was that due to lies by those on the left, slate (besides McCain's lies, that is)? C'mon...What happened to the party of personal responsibility, slate? Where'd it go? ;-(
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Ahhh ... the Wolfie / redtomato tag team.
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What's happened to Nixie, redtomato? Has she lost interest in joining you in fomenting your typical propaganda?
I hope not ... I like when Nixie posts ... she does a lot to show the depths of Moral Decay among the Right Wing.
Of course ... please don't think I'm selling Wolfie and you, redtomato (aka luvmyprez & AlphaGnosis) short.
Fact is ... I look for your posts because they do such a good job of displaying for all to see .... exactly how Morally Depraved your position is.
Hey ... there's a story that our friend Beau7890 posted elsewhere on Propeller. I hope you check it out.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/13/the-man-...
It goes into fine detail about the profile of Andy Martin ... apparently, he's one of the inspirations for much of the garbage that you and the other 'Government Hating' Right Wingers get your material from.
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"Andy Martin is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of 'moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.' "
So ... blast away with your Lies, Cheats, Dis-Information, and blatant Propaganda ... but just remember ... ultimately the source is from loony paranoiacs.
And please ... keep posting your regular garbage.
America saw this with the whole 'Swift-Boat' thing.
We've been through 8 of some of the worst years in American History.
George W. Bush has the lowest recored approvals.
George W. Bush the president you have unwaveringly supported from your first day on Netscape ... initially as luvmyprez ... then as AlphaGnosis ... and now ... well .... now you don't bring up his name any longer ... has the lowest recorded approvals.
Americans have awoken to this type of garbage.
'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.'
I realize that Wolfie, redtomato, Nixie, Klarissa ... y'all don't have a very high opinion of American intelligence ... and God knows ... when Bush was given a second term ... I had my doubts ... but ... I'm hopeful that Americans have finally realized that the Neo-Con ideology that you support ... is contrary to traditional American Values.
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toph19731 year, 1 month ago
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Hey wolfie, you've posted the same garbage on here twice this week already. The ayers association has been debunked yet you keep trying to cram the same lies down our throat. We've all hear about Wright. All of this has been brought out by the Clinton Campaign. There is nothing new here. Nothing spectacular or a scandal. You cons are sure narrow minded.
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GWHayduke1 year, 1 month ago
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Putting together a coherent, intelligent and accurate post is somehow a show of 'ignorance'?
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Right!
Parroting garbage about 'Muslim religions', 'terrorist associates', 'campaign plane odors' and 'birth certificates' is the height of intelligent discourse!
What Americans want to know now, during this time of economic peril, can be found in the tabloid submissions paraded about by the frightened bigots right here on our own propeller.
Good luck with that, cor, pc & woofie.
What'll you be posting on 11/5?
More obstructionist nonsense to further disparriage the country's leader, President Obama in an effort to prevent the betterment of our great land?
Why do you hate America so much?-
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toph19731 year, 1 month ago
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GW wrote "Parroting garbage about 'Muslim religions', 'terrorist associates', 'campaign plane odors' and 'birth certificates' is the height of intelligent discourse!"
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Judging from the posts on here it would seem that intelligent discourse is something lost on the right.
All we have to do is look back at how the republicans have run their campaigns. Keep the minds of the voters off of the important issues and assasinate the character of the other candidate. Which why we have what we have here, Which is the way they want it. -
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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The USA's enemies are drooling at the thought of Obama. They love the naïve inexperience weak amateur. Where there have been young leaders in the past, they had over a decade of (real)experience, yet we paid a price for it. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one "guppy" called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type situation, and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. His record shows nothing to recommend him.His choice of associates is a fair indicator of where his preferences lie. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems. Especially when the come from they Socialist/Communist handbook.I've hear it before.
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beymudakov1 year, 1 month ago
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amervtrn: “The USA's enemies are drooling at the thought of Obama. They love the naïve inexperience weak amateur.”
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You know dude I’m sick and tired of stupid and hateful people like you! Tell me you shadow of McCain’s brain: who has experience?
If you would say to your buddy bomb, bomb, bomb Iran or send all the cigarettes to Iran so they all can die it’s fine it’s just saying how incredibly stupid you are. But when an old fart claiming that he wants to be our next president saying such things – it’s dangerous!
When guy, who want to be our next president saying: We all Georgians now. What that means to the Russians? That just reinforce their claim that USA was behind the attack on South Ossetia!
In the same speech the same genius said that in the 21-st century countries don’t invade other countries! Really! What about USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Maybe it was in 20-th century?
So, tell me you Palin’s wink who has experience here?-
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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its a dangerous world.
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dropping a rookie into the role as the free world's leader makes it even more dangerous.
the US had a UN mandate for iraq and afghanistan. Russia did not have any reason to invade Georgia, other than they could.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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As a member of the free world, I am more scared of another shrub like leader than Obama.
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shrub has been the biggest upheaval this planet has seen since WW!!.
And you want more.
Do not even try to think for the free world as you are so far behind you think you are in first place.-
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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biggest upheaval? are you kidding?
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i'd say the collapse of the old USSR or the growth of China India, Brazil, the Tigers, dwarf anything that we've done.
you seem to neglect 9/11 as having any importance.
do you think that if the WTC was still standing any of this would have happened?
blaming Bush is the simpleton's choice, but if that's enough to get the dems elected, who cares how hypocritical it is. victory over substance.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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Get real for once, 9/11 was a terrible event that was financed by Saudi and carried out by an organization in Afgan,,,,,,,so why Iraq
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Simple,,, read about PNAC, Bill Kristol, dickless cheney, rummy, wojo, and others who are firmly entrenched in the Rep party and the WH.
And shrub is a puppet on a string.
A figurehead, just like the other loud mouth in Iran.
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amervtrn1 year, 1 month ago
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As I have said before Racism knows no color. There are White racist,Black racist,Brown racist, ECT. To some it is a hatred, to some it is distrust, and to others it is a tool of deceit. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one "guppy" called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type situation, and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. His record shows nothing to recommend him. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems.But I've heard them before, straight out of the Communist Handbook.
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Educate yourself!
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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"I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said
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"He's a decent family man, a citizen who I just happen to have serious differences with on fundamental questions." McCain said -
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toph19731 year, 1 month ago
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Ahh, yes the typical con lie "if dems win we'llhave arabs dancing in caves." All the cons on here were predicting attacks, etc after the dems took control of congress. None of which happened. Why the difference now? Keep cowering in fear in your closet while rational, openminded people fix the mess that your party created.
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beavith11 year, 1 month ago
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ratational open minded people?!?! the DEMOCRATS?
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the democrats that can throw stones? the democrats that can run congressional investigations? the democrats that don't have a plan, and what few plans they DO have will damage the nation? THOSE democrats?-
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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much of what Obama says he wants to do is almost a repeat of Johnson's great society.
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Now, some people think that was a good thing, but many other analysts believe that Johnson's "great society" policies were directly responsible for the breakdown of the African-American family, the increase in the rate of poverty, especially in families where poverty spans generations, the exponential increase in the rate of out-of-wedlock births which indirectly led to the gang culture.
one of the other things Obama would like to do is redistribute income "more fairly". He says he will do this by raising taxes on the "rich"people and giving "rebates" to those who are in too low an income bracket to pay income tax. First, if you didn't pay it in the first place, it's not a rebate, it's a handout. 2nd, how do you know that that guy that you deem to have made too much money didn't work 80 or 100 weeks busting his butt to make that? How do you know that he didn't employ several other people? Cries of "make it more fair" that are really saying "soak the rich" don't make things more fair, they just make our society even more divided.
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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You're right, amazed... that CEO may have worked 2X as hard for his 300+ X as high wage... we should give him a break!
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I think capping CEO salaries at 50 times the wage of the lowest-paid worker would be fair. You pay your workers a decent 20$ per hour, you can STILL earn $2MILLION per year, which should be PLENTY for anyone to live on. If you want more, and the company makes sufficient profits, pay your base-level employees more, and give yourself 50X the pay raise!-
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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That's not altogether a bad idea... it would ensure that the best and brightest are encouraged to look to government as an option instead of private enterprise.
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But the flip-side is it might put pressure on government to raise the President's salary instead of lowering those of other CEOs. It also prevents companies from raising the salaries of the CEOs. Putting a limit which is in relation to the company's lowest-paid worker makes it easy to raise the CEO salary in good times, by paying the backbone of the organization what they deserve. It would provide a direct incentive to management to pay the lower rungs adequately, because their own salaries would be directly dependant on it.
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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I have no problem with a reasonable cap on CEO's salaries. Frankly, I cannot believe that there haven't been stockholder revolts. Like, what are these boards of directors thinking?
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But $250K is NOT 300 times more than an average worker, and in some parts of the country, makes you comfortable, but not really rich. In addition, while a company that is formed as as C corporation, will pay corporate tax and the the owner/CEO will generally only pay income tax on his/her actual income, many small businesses are formed as S corporations or LLC's. In this case, any profit the company makes is taxed as personal income to the partners, regardless of whether they received it, it was ploughed back into the company or, as is often the case, simply a book profit. That will, indeed, put MANY small business owners (even quite a few who are struggling to keep their employees employed and their heads above water) above this $250 K mark.-
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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Or they could re-incorporate their businesses to get the most advantageous tax strategy for themselves, which they probably do already.
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No, 250K is not 300 times more, but I can pretty much guarantee that there are those pulling a whopping 30K that work JUST as hard as the guy who gets 250K.
The issue is fairness, and people are constantly clamoring about the value of hard work to make a good living, but there are some that put in that hard work, and struggle daily because they are not paid fairly for it. Either they aren't good at asking for raises, or the opportunities aren't there, or they really enjoy what they do, see value in it, and aren't driven purely by the almighty dollar.
Oftentimes, people take advantage of a generous nature.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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But I think the question I asked was regarding you cons' track record of mind-numbingly poor judgement over the last 8 years, amazed. Why are you somehow convinced your words and opinions are now credible or compelling after the horrific damage, death, destruction, and financial ruin caused by your lack of judgement? Try to focus...I'm not asking you about Obama, or Johnson, or Carter, or Bill Clinton or even about John McCain, really. My question is about cons' decision making. What have you learned from backing a colossal failure of a President in George W Bush (you voted for him TWICE. wow. I would have shredded my voter registration by now) and the extremely corrupt and criminal GOP which was kicked out of power in '06 that gives you the confidence that you now have sound critical thinking and decision making skills? Thanks.
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amazed1 year, 1 month ago
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((But how do you know what qualifies as a plan that will or won't work?))
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How about YOU focus? That was the question you asked and that was the question I answered, but I should have known better than to try to have an intelligent, reasoned conversation with you, Meso, because you are so blinded by your hate, you just can't seem to be civil.
I didn't insult you, or your intelligence or anything else about you and your reply is a personal attack. How would you know who I voted for in any election, let alone the last two? Did you follow me into the booth and spy on me?
You make the assumption continuously that anyone who is not in the tank for Obama MUST be a Bush sychophant. That is so far from the truth that it's ridiculous. if it WERE true, Bush's numbers would be approaching 50% as are McCain's (who, by the way, I'm not particularly fond of anyway).
But again, I don't know why I'm bothering to talk to you anyway -- you've made up your mind that you know more about everyone else than we know about ourselves and it's all ugly and YOUR mind is completely closed.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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If anyone is drooling because of Obama, it's panic-stricken cons who are re-posting the same, sad lies they've been posting all year to no effect other than giving Obama's campaign a boost. Please keep posting these "stories" so normal people can see how unhinged cons are becoming more unstable and frantic by the day. Erratic cons supporting an unstable John McCain--a recipe for embarrassment and failure. ;-(
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SpareChange1 year, 1 month ago
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Wolfie, in your little tiff-rant above, you point out the Univ. of Chicago as if it's a significant link between Obama and Khalidi.
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But if the Univ. of Chicago is (in)famous for anything these days, it's because that is the place where trickle-down economics, the failed theory both Bush and McCain espouse, was born, championed by Milton Friedman and future noecons like Paul Wolfovitz. -
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