Palin and Christian Right on Abortion Warpath »
Posted By ameliog 8 months, 3 weeks ago in ReligionAlthough the issue of abortion has not come up in either of the U.S. presidential or vice presidential debates, it is very much in play on the campaign trail, especially in a number of battleground states.
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chevydog8 months, 3 weeks ago
Though they cannot accurately be described as part of the "Christian Right", the Catholic Church and Catholic voters also have some concerns with Sen. Obama's position on abortion. There's an interesting article today (10/14) in the Newsweek section of msn.com concerning this. The author (not sure whether he's Catholic or not) basically asseses whether the justifications used by three high-profile Catholic lay people to support Sen. Obama are likely to pass muster theologically with Catholic bishops. His conclusion is no. I guess we'll see if that's really true and if so what actions spring from it.
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It's no great secret that Sen. Obama's voting record on abortion is basically "on demand, no restrictions". For the campaign, he's made some statements that the campaign says will lead to a reduced number of abortions. The three prominent Catholic lay people from above obviously believe this; one has to wonder how many others will. One also has to wonder what the bishops who "cover" this area will say. I'm no theologian, but my guess is that they'll basically say that it's way too little and way too late. Either way, there's going to be a lot of soul searching among Catholic voters.-
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antibrainwasher8 months, 3 weeks ago
I live by a Catholic Church, ever time the church bell rings, another Alter boy in america is sodimized by a sex starved priest.
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Why would anyone take direction from priests, who are all a collection of repressed homosexuals and pedophiles. Delusional believers in jewish fairytales, who live for a nonexistant afterlife, wasting the one life they do have.
There is no evidence of any of the millions of versions of afterlife religious con men have invented in the hundreds of thousands of years con men have been grifting religious morons.
No heaven, no hell, no gods, no demi-god jesus, no purgatory, no angles, saints, its all a steaming cauldren of con man invented crap. Liquid crap slurped up by MORONS. -
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mark-stevens8 months, 3 weeks ago
Abortion is the most misunderstood topic ever. The actual act of getting an abortion, can cause a serious infection that could cause sterility, serious life threatening hemorrhaging.
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There is a huge abortion clinic in Seattle name after the airport motel it's based out off.
The clients are treated like a Broadway play audition cattle call.
I have taken young women there, because they didn't want to cause a fight with their boyfriends over sex and the possibility of getting pregnant. It sounds like the boyfriends maybe more the problem than first reported -
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Dionys8 months, 3 weeks ago
The Catholic Church may have some concerns with Obama's abortion stance but the majority of 'average' Catholics do not, as they understand that the Catholic Church is not a monolithic Church in that often times individual Catholics disagree with certain policies of the Church as a whole.
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Considering that Obama has plans in place to reduce the number of abortions, and increase adoption / bringing pregnancies to term despite his abortion-rights stance for those who understand we don't live in a theocracy and McCain has no such plan other than being anti-abortion rights (which likely won't actually reduce the number of abortions -- just drive them underground resulting in more deaths across the board).. One could say that voting for Obama would more closely support the Church's stance on reducing abortions.
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antibrainwasher8 months, 3 weeks ago
On Tuesday, Matthew Dowd, the former Bush strategist who offered a famous apologia for helping get W. re-elected, offered a scorching assessment of Palin’s not being ready, saying that McCain “knows that in his gut. And when this race is over, that is something he will have to live with. ... He put somebody unqualified on that ballot, and he put the country at risk.”
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Christopher Hitchens endorsed Barack Obama on Slate on Monday, calling Palin’s conduct “a national disgrace” and writing: “Given the nasty and lowly task of stirring up the whack-job fringe of the party’s right wing and of recycling patent falsehoods about Obama’s position on Afghanistan, she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses.”
Christopher Buckley endorsed Obama on The Daily Beast, writing of McCain’s embrace of Palin: “What on earth can he have been thinking?” (The endorsement led to Buckley’s resigning from The National Review, founded by his father.)
On “The Colbert Report” on Monday, the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker stuck by her assertion, which she said caused the base to treat her like a traitor, that Palin should have bowed out. She said she’d gotten some secret e-mails from Republicans in the White House agreeing with her.
William Kristol, a Palin fan who thinks she has been horribly managed, wrote in The Times on Monday that McCain should fire his campaign for malpractice. David Brooks, speaking at an Atlantic Magazine event, called Palin “a fatal cancer to the Republican Party,” bemoaning the fact that she did not fit in with the late William Buckley’s desire to have a party that celebrated ideas and learning -
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antibrainwasher8 months, 3 weeks ago
Anybody considering abortion as a reason to vote is what is wrong with this country.
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The rich, which own lock and stock the republican party, are using that moronic issue to get the ignorant mal-educated mega-chruch racist inbred idiots to vote republican, and I promise you this, the rich don't give a flying fart about abortion, they can get their daughters one anytime they want, the rich are just using the unbelievibly stupid american gulible underclass to hand over their hard earned money by adopting an anti-abortion position based on religious ignorance.
The party of the rich bush/cheney war profiteers have destroyed human life faster than all the abortion doctors in the world put together, 500,000 Iraqis, which had nothing to do with 911, and 5000 us soldiers, all dead for a neocon lie.
And now, quietly, the Bush admninistration and Dobson and the murdering religious right have discontinued contreception distribution in Africa, guaranteeing millions of abortions, starvation of unwanted children, and the spread of aids, and disease for millions of women.
The republicans won't stop till american women wear veils, and have no rights, just like the repulican ideal, saudi Arabia, you know, the ones who actually bombed us. Bush arab buddies, they own all the wealth, the common man gets brainwashed by religious police. -
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Jayson8 months, 3 weeks ago
Abortion is one of the fundamental issues of our time. Over a million abortions are performed each year in the U.S. alone. That is a tragedy, no matter what side of the issue you are on.
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antibrainwasher8 months, 3 weeks ago
And just think of all those sperm which don't find eggs when the priest they come sends them into an alterbpy.
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Abortion is NOT a political issue, and was not a political issue until the Machivallian murdering Rovian a-holes of the party of the rich figured out they could brainwash you born again idiots into voting racism and religion, so they converted the southern Babtist white trash to republicans, getting them to vote abortion, not economic self intrest.
The current economic depression is a direct result in inbred morons voting to give the rich everyting there is, while they work a walmart and brainwash their inbred children at local mega church. -
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nikkibabe8 months, 3 weeks ago
It is OK for the state to ban abortions as long as it picks up ALL the cost of pregnancy, post pregnancy, child development, day care, school and college of the kids they save.
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Is it possible?
If they want to leave all this cost to the victim of a rape or incest, then they have no case. Stay out of it.
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bubba28 months, 3 weeks ago
I'll drag out my "old saw" because too many in the "pro-life" crowd are not - they are only "anti-abortion" and they are hypocrites.
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Anyone that claims to be pro-life had BETTER also be against WAR and against the death penalty. And, as noted above, they better be prepared and willing to HELP all of those babies and children when they need health care, education, food, clothing, and shelter.
No one can be "pro-life" if they approve of war and the death penalty. Those people are only "PRO-BIRTH".-
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willottica8 months, 3 weeks ago
I disagree bubba.
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I think Pro-Life and Pro-Death Penalty can live together unhypocritically. In the first case, the concern is for an innocent being, and is understandable. The second case is ALSO concern for the innocents (as the belief is that the Death Penalty will deter murderers and prevent re-offense).
However, I am in complete agreement that Pro-Life and Pro-War are in opposition. Advocating and encouraging war shows a complete disregard for the innocent lives that will inevitably be lost. War should be for Defense only - to protect America (and her treaty allies) from DIRECT threat of hostile invasion.
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Hobe8 months, 3 weeks ago
Really Now, WHY would any Normal Woman want to KILL her Baby?
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To the Baby Killer's thank Goodness Your Mother made the Right Choice.
Killing an innocent Baby for convinces is against all the Laws of Humanity....
It's NOT a choice, It's A BABY... Is that really hard to Understand? Don't Kill..... It's not Your Right...-
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bubba28 months, 3 weeks ago
You try to TWIST the right to choose into "killing her baby".
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Being a man, it is obvious you have NO CLUE.
There are no women out that that have considered or gone through with an abortion that wanted to "kill their baby". Their circumstances - rape, poverty, illness, and more - mean that abortion may be their only choice to either survive themselves or to be able to continue taking care of family that they already have.
I say to you and to EVERYONE who favors war or the death penalty - killing people in war and killing 'prisoners' is "against all the Laws of Humanity", so "don't kill ... it's not your Right".
Do you agree??? If not, then you are NOT "pro-life" - only "pro-birth".
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cloud158 months, 3 weeks ago
Personally I think abortion should be a personal issue. I personally don't think its right under certain circumstances. If you were being irresponsible and it happened by accident and know you just don't want it, well then that's your fault now you should deal with the consequences. If you were raped, or the birth would endanger your health then by all means.
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The biggest problem with outlawing abortion would be the explosion in back alley abortions which would lead to many deaths of the mother. In this case we would still have almost the same amount of abortions but we would have even more mothers dying. -
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kritikit8 months, 3 weeks ago
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
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What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her
charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative
qualities in another when there is a color difference.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population,
mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna *** Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
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McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire ?
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lbrtyordeath8 months, 3 weeks ago
George Bush got millions of votes based on the pro-life vote. Eight years later, we still have abortion.
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When are Conservatives going to realize that abortion is a big bright shiny flashy issue pulled out during election years by the GOP to garner votes, only to be shelved once the election is over?
The supreme court has refused to hear any abortion cases. John McCain is not going to change that. Barack Obama is not going to change that either.
Abortion is a NONissue, except for people who want to debate the semantics of morality. It should stay in the morality debates, not in the political arena, as it is NOT going to change anytime soon.
I would think it would be better for one to concern themselves with issues relevant to them, such as the mortgage and banking crises, the War in Iraq that is costing 10 billion dollars a month, the ballooning national debt, the influx of illegal immigrants in this country, and the shipping of US jobs overseas.
I would think that these issues are a lot more important and pertinent, and deserve more consideration than whether or not a candidate personally wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, when any thinking person KNOWS that it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Yeah, I know. I'm waiting for the "one justice away" comment. It still won't happen. Mark my words. And if on the off chance it does, you will see, as cloud15 said, a MASSIVE increase in back-alley abortions, as well as many people traveling outside of the US to have the procedure done. Because of this, you will see many teen mothers who feel like they have no other option experience death by coat hanger.
Yeah. It's crude, but it's the truth.
So let's stop letting ourselves be distracted from the REAL issues by this piddly little issue that neither candidate is going to address when they get in office.-
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most_reasonable8 months, 3 weeks ago
They are not targeted for their brains or common sense. the fact that they saw the Bush Twins lying in filth on a bar floor, the product of their father's devote borne again values, and did not uprise says it all. THE SON-IN-LAW OF Palin, A Highschool dropout and a pregnant teenage daughter the "flower of borne again christianity", is no distraction for them.
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The Kentucky theme park showing men and dinosaurs walking together ala the FLINTSTONES was not to attract the "faithful" but rather the GOP fund raisers who now are convinced that they could be sold ANYTHING.
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most_reasonable8 months, 3 weeks ago
Not necessarily.
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If McCain gets in, could be ALL birthcontrol will be outlawed.
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