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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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The problem with your argument is that Jeremiah Wright is much more a patriotic American than Palin and her goofy preachers. One only has to look at what Ronald Reagan's Asst. Secy. of Defense has to say about Wright to see how degenerate the GOP has become.
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Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a True Patriot
By LAWRENCE KORB and IAN MOSS
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?....
.... How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
(Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.)
http://www.counterpunch.org/korb04052008.html-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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The problem is what happened to him after that part of his life.
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Why would someone with that background say that the CIA created AIDS to kill black people.
Why would someone like that say G-D America?
Why would someone like that pastor a church where the congregation swore allegiance to Africa?
Why would someone like that say that whites in America were keeping the blacks under their yoke.
Answer - He learned about James Cone's Black Liberation Theology that teaches that the Bible and history shows that blacks are held in subjection by whites and blacks are trying to liberate themselves from that yoke. That turned him from that hero into what he became. A racist hate filled anti American.-
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djn3nunez31 year, 2 months ago
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Why would someone with that background say that the CIA created AIDS to kill black people.
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Why would someone like that say that whites in America were keeping the blacks under their yoke.
Probably because of things like this:
Using Human Beings as Laboratory Anima
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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And don't forget the 1200-1500 Nazi scientists that were incorporated into the American Armed Forces at the end of WW!!, Didn't matter if they worked in the camps or not as they had valuable info on how to inflict pain or brainwashing.
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Hell Ken Kesey got free acid courtesy of the US Navy in 56, and he became the worlds biggest acid head; and for those who figure that dope automatically makes you braindead, he later wrote "Sometimes a Great Notion" and "One Flew Over the Cockoo's Nest"
Go figure.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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You're asking all the wrong questions (they've all been asked before, including dozens of times by you, and debunked). Try these:
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1) Why does the beauty pageant runner up who likes to shoot defenseless animals a lot think she's above the law?
2) Could the average con shill being paid by the McCain camp to post horsecrap online be found guilty of abusing their power and then skip merrily along the next day as if nothing happened?
3) Why did it take Sarah 5 years of criss-crossing among 3 colleges in three states to get a journalism degree?
4) Why can't someone with a journalism degree think of what the names of sources she reads to stay informed when asked by a broadcast journalist in an interview?
5) Why was someone with a journalism degree caught like an Alaska moose in a shotgun sight when asked by that same journalist what her running mate's qualifications are?
6) Can Sarah Palin read?
7) Given the state of America today, aren't cons even remotely concerned that, in voting for Sarah Palin, they could possibly be voting for someone even dumber than Dan Quayle?
8) Whatever happened to Dan Quayle?
9) Why don't cons want Sarah Palin to be interviewed (even by the right wing media)?
10) Why are cons so confident about voting for her in a few weeks (by which time they will have known John McCain's dizzy, winking trollop of a vp choice barely two whole months) and yet they can't stop whacking off out of frustration over what they don't know about Barack Obama (who's been campaigning for the last two years)? ;-(
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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depends on where you look. A Patriot, I think NOT. A little sample of the Patriot Rev. J. Wright's sermons.
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WRIGHT: And they will not only attack you if you try to point out what's going on in white America, the U.S. of KKK A."
He regularly mocks black Republicans as sell-outs.
WRIGHT: They live below the sea level, they live below the level of "Clarence Colon" and "Con-damn-nesia."
In his first sermon after September 11th, 2001, Reverend Wright said the U.S. had brought on the attacks with its own terrorism.
WRIGHT: We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant?! Because the stuff we have done overseas is not brought back into our front yard? Americans chickens are coming home to roost.
care to read more?
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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The sad truth is that neither the Reverend Wright nor black liberation theology is being misunderstood.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_real_ag...-
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/07/28/specter-...
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RedRiverJ posted:
"Ghost, you are right, they just don't get it for us, they get it for themselves. They are self serving, power and money hungry so and so's. I sure hope we all remember them when they all come up for reelection. I hope Ted Kennedy, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Kyl to name a few get the boot. For good."
--eeek...not a ringing endorsement of John McCain, Red. ;-(-
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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mesodude you really need to get yourself a social life sonny. going back over things i posted long ago, perhaps a year ago......... tells me you are one lonesome person. i feel your pain...........
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when McCain supported the McCain Kennedy amnesty bill YOU bet I wanted him to get the boot. He does it again and I will speak up and do all I can to stop it. Him or Obama either one.
what is so sad is obama is just as soft on immigration but fooling a lot of the American people does that include you?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view=77...
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Juggonau1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't know I see some truth in what he says. People are getting upset because they are reluctant to admit that there are very strong race problems still existing today.
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As Mr King said very aptly "Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual"
I would say that many White Americans (excuse the racialization of these terms) are completely blind to realize that everything isn't OK. Because White's don't really face the issue of race in such a direct way as visible skinned Americans, they assume that what has happened in the past is a matter of the past - and that everything is now 100% fine. This isn't the case, Whites still hold a very large degree of power and this hasn't changed with time - they continue to hold the power, and only those who conform to White culture and expectations are allowed to have some power. If Obama wore traditional garb of his African ancestors, I can bet you many Americans would see him unfit to be president.
his statement about 9/11is very apt. I'm an atheist and I couldn't agree more with his sentiments. It's very very true and I think it takes a lot of courage for him to actually be so vocal and to say that. I don't agree with everything he said, but that statement that you posted right there hits the nail on the head.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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I agree with most of what you say but am not sure of your last paragraph
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"but that statement that you posted right there hits the nail on the head."
Do you mean this ?
"WRIGHT: We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant?! Because the stuff we have done overseas is not brought back into our front yard? Americans chickens are coming home to roost."
Because myself, I see that as an honest statement, only many Americans don't see it that way.
To most Reps they are Knights in shinning armour coming to our rescue ( no emotional in there though)but they are not, and what many have failed to realize is the have meet their Agincourt.
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Well Red, I suggest you have a look at what our military leaders of the time had to say about dropping nukes on Japan. They condemned the immorality of our corrupt politicians, especially Truman. Kind of interesting to learn that Jeremiah Wright is on the same side as Dwight Eisenhower.
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amervtrn1 year, 2 months ago
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1980 During the campaign most polls showed the two major candidates locked in an even contest. The election produced a different picture. The Republican team of Ronald Reagan and George Bush was swept into office in a landslide victory with about 51% of the popular vote (and 489 electoral votes) to Carter's 42% (49 electoral votes) and Anderson's 7% (no electoral votes). Here is the faith in McCain.The dumbocrat dribble and kindergarden whining is unbelievable. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Racism knows no color. There are White racist,Black racist,Brown racist, ECT. To some it is a hatred, to some it is distrust, and to others it is a tool of deceit. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one "guppy" called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type situation(Carter years), and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. Obama's record shows nothing to recommend him. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems. They came out of the Communist Handbook. A persons judgment or like there of says a lot.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 2 months ago
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http://www.tellingthoughts.com/us-politics/my-holi...
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My Holiday with McCain
It was just before John McCain's last run at the presidential nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle Island in Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including Bridget (their adopted Bangladeshi child). It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close quarters with John McCain for almost a week since Turtle Island has a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals force all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each other intimately.
He arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first thought was "if he likes this so much, why hasn't he memorized any of this yet?" I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his "readings" which then became a regular part of each meal.
Out of politeness, none of the vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful holiday, but people's buttons definitely got pushed as the readings continued day after day.
Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime entertainment. He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just couldn't meet up to this standard. He also made it a point that all of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she needed to lose weight. McCain's appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that David the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other side of the table from McCain as McCain kept aggressively flirting with and touching her. -
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antibrainwasher1 year, 2 months ago
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Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego, and his rude behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must have some redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child from Bangladesh . I asked him about this one day and his response was shocking -"Oh, that was Cindy's idea - I didn't have anything to do with it. She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me. You can't imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona . No, it wasn't my idea at all."
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I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time. I was shocked when he said "if I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson". Given McCain's personal experience with the horrors of war I had expected a more balanced point of view.
I commented on the tragic consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII - but no, he was not to be dissuaded. He went on to say that if it was up to him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan . I rapidly extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his experience being tortured as a POW didn't seem to have mellowed out his perspective but rather had made him more aggressive, and vengeful towards the world. -
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antibrainwasher1 year, 2 months ago
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My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was leaving Turtle Island . Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when McCain arrived and told Amy that she shouldn't be having pancakes because she needed to lose weight. Amy burst into tears at this abusive comment. I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately turned to McCain and told him to leave her alone. He became very angry and abusive towards me, and said "don't you know who I am" and I looked him in the face and said "yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever met" and headed back to my cabin. I am happy to say that later that day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the guests for having stood up to McCain's bullying.
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Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends, this is the first time I am making this public. I almost did so in 2000, when McCain first announced his bid for the Republican nomination but it soon became apparent that George Bush was the shoo-in candidate and so I did not act then. However, now that there is a very real possibility that McCain could be elected as our next president, I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story. I can't imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation. I have observed him in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays him to be. If his attitudes toward women, and his treatment of his own family are even a small indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our President.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Wow !!!!
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I do not doubt you or your story, but it is a lot to swallow.
Hopefully at tonights debate, we get to see this side of him, it also makes the issue of whether or not he called his wife the "C" word more acceptable.
Be prepared for a lot of hate being thrown your way.
And thank you for story.
That took guts.-
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willottica1 year, 2 months ago
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I doubt the story... it's not antibw's story, there's a link at the beginning of it. But the whole thing reads terribly. McCain has always been a Senator, and I highly doubt he would be so blatantly repulsive in public (and still get re-elected ever).
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Follow the link, and there's no verification, just a bunch of runaround.
That, and abw hasn't struck me as a paragon of virtue on Propeller. I'd put about as much stock in this as I would in one of AG's or Wolfie's submissions.
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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her name is ana dubey
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Well, for one thing; there is no listing of a psychologist with the california board of psychologists by the name of ana or anasuya dubey. Therefore, I am going with likelihood this is just rubbish blog.
The current McCain story in question originated with a San Francisco-based clinical psychologist named Anasuya Dubey, who is alleged to be the daughter of a former Indian Consul in San Francisco. I've tried to reach Dubey to no avail (she is said to be "private") but an e-mail chain has revealed a few things.
A woman who claims to have spoken to Dubey, an author named Frances Moore Lappe of Cambridge, Massachucetts ("Getting a Grip: Clarity, Creativity and Courage in a World Gone Mad") said in an e-mail to Kate Marianchild, whom I don't know, that Dubey is "wonderful" and that it "sounds like NBC is on it." Another interested reporter, according to a group e-mail sent out about the Dubey story by Mary-Kay Gamel, a UC Santa Cruz professor, is Jane Kramer of The New Yorker.
I called Lappe's office in Cambridge and left a message. I called Gamel's office and home number -- neither had a voice message and no one picked up.
The words attributed to McCain by Dubey are repulsive and incendiary, and it strikes me as awfully strange that a woman looking to see this story circulated and, more to the point, believed would be so difficult to get hold of. She thinks she can put out a first-hand story of this nature during a presidential campaign and just...what, be left alone?
I also flinch whenever words of this nature are attributed to any major-league politician running for high office. They seems too vile for even McCain to have said.
I also wonder how precise and exacting Dubey's memory may be after eight years, and whether she may have exaggerated the quote somewhat, being a woman of Indian ancestry who would naturally take great offense at such statements, if in fact they were spoken.
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That having been said, there is no clear line for what should be a required amount of "proof" for a posting. Can I confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Dubey wrote this? No, I can not. I do not believe that is the Blue Oregon standard (in fact, BO notes we are even a place for "gossip"), but if there are this many doubts -- and clearly they have not all come from trolls -- I respect the level of self-policing the true progressives on this blog are requesting. So down comes the post.
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vor1 year, 2 months ago
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....etc.
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Don't you pathetic people have anything better to do than smear this excrement all over the Internet. The more that is splattered the less and less believable it all becomes....not that any of it ever had merit in the first place...support your candidate by doing something other than smearing the opposition...how about stating why you support John McCain and not why you hate his opponent...or is there nothing for you to truly support? And we wonder why America is in such trouble?...-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Poor lib. Stanley Kurtz is the one who looked into the Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers. This is part of what came out of that investigation. Truth hurts don't it. Calling it names does not change the reality of it. Stanley takes great care in writing only verifiable facts that he has checked out himself.
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traveler20001 year, 2 months ago
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you're not answering the question.
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As for your "facts" being checked out....
There are so many "facts" and rumors on the web that you don't find "the three in the wood any more".
Some facts (rumors) are truth, but were in the long (forgotten) past, or are taken out of context, or are exaggerated or deformed etc ......
Why can't the US politic debate not be politic debate?
Why is it that so much mud and dirt trowing exist in the US politics and elections?
That only happens in the US. Why???? And why are the "republicans" doing that the most (yes it does happen on BOTH sides, but predominantly from the republican side). .. Why??? Don't you have other "real" arguments?
Can't you discuss politics as civilized people?
Or is having a real, respectful discussion to boring??
How come the rest of the "western" democratic world doesn't do that?
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Yesterday, Canada just had their election. Same Gov as it turned out.
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And it got dirty up here too; Stephen Dion, leader of the Liberal party (close to Dems for you) called Harper, leader of the conservative party (Reps) a liar many times.
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traveler20001 year, 2 months ago
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I guess Canada, being next to the US, is getting the disease as well.
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And calling some one a liar (specially if truth), is bad language, but some of the things found on internet, about both US candidates, are real mud and slanderous, or have nothing to do with politics and ideas. I dont know if it was that bad in Canada.
Plus, also, did he called him a "liar" based on politics or "personal things"
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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No, it never gets as dirty as yours does and for many good reasons.
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We have a third and fourth party, so these cover much of the grey area; USA is 2 party, black and white, no grey as that is commie/lib/Marxists/nazi/neo-con or what ever thinking.
Also, while your economic meltdown has affected the world, it has not got as bad up here due to our different approaches to laws.
But mainly we can, but haven't lately have elections every 5 years, yours are always 2 years apart and being black and white the animosity grows while ours can cool off.
Also we love hockey, most of you love baseball, too slow of a game for us.:-)
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traveler20001 year, 2 months ago
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This is a reply on your later comment to me.
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Just a correction on a misunderstanding:
you're saying "..... as dirty as yours does ......"
"Yours" must mean you think I'm American
I'm not American, not in the short (US) NOR in the large sens of the word (as Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc ...., are Americans (continent) as well
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vor1 year, 2 months ago
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Why doesn't Stanley Kurtz then look into why Walter Annenberg ever got involved with Ayres? I just read the core article. I thought you said he operated only on facts? But he makes the same leaps in judgement we hear from Palin on the campaign trail. Maybe Stanley Kurtz should look into the Annenberg connection with Ayres. Afterall Annenberg is a major GOP contributor. .What is he doing associating with Ayres? He ignores this FACT throughout his anti-Obama diatribe. Even more pathetic is the defense of Kurtz offered by Michelle Malkin. If you want to be taken seriously by anyone other than the far right. I would suggest a Malkin defense is one of the last ways to achieve that aim.
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It is an interesting story how this former domestic terrorist has splattered himself all over the Chicago landscape and has been involved in so much public policy and how he teaches at a respected academic institution. That's a story worth investigating,. not his fleeting association with Barack Obama.
What you wrote is the purest of obfuscation. Apparently you can't find anything to support about McCain. You avoid the central issue addressed. Why can't you or your ilk ever answer a direct question?
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vor1 year, 2 months ago
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Bush deserves every bit of the sh*t thrown at him. A failed leader who allowed his VP to dicktate (sic) our Foreign Policy and completely lost control of the economy. His place in history is assured. The worst ever! Even the nominee of his own party will not run on his record and has to acknowledge his failures. Apparently you missed that FACT.
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The criticism of Bush is based on actual events. This crap with Ayres and Obama is all about speculation. We have no records of their supposed conversations and apparently not a single photo of these men together. Don't you find that abit strange?
And you neglected to mention that Kurtz writes for the National Review. Not exactly a publication known for its even-handed qualities.-
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vor1 year, 2 months ago
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BS, and i wouldn't care if this did actually happen. There is nothing you can tell me at this point that will change my vote. The word is out. There will be no fear mongering this time around. The people have hopefully had enough......if they haven't learned from the last 8 years they will never learn...I hope you are miserable as h*ll when the results come in...
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slate1 year, 2 months ago
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Well I knew you wouldn't care though you know it's true. Keep feasting at the table of Obama, he's serving up the leftovers from your hate of the last eight years. Poop sandwiches.
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The hope of change is about my misery? LOL dude if he wins I will accept it far more graciously then you would if McCain wins. Thanks for being progressive of heart and wishing misery on me though, it suits people with a mindset like yours.
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somecommonsense1 year, 2 months ago
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Wow...great article...real hard hitting news...Afrocentrists...hmmmm...sounds different and scary...maybe you should kill them all...I wonder how many points this will put Obama up by next week. Hey red River...do You know who else was on that board??? I bet not...Do you know who Annenberg is Perhaps not.
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The negative smears are not working...try to find something with teeth to it, or better yet, maybe start posting articles that portray John McCain in a positive light...hmmmm...that's an idea...actually try to discuss why I should vote for your guy...-
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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why yes somecommonsense, i do know who else was on that board and working very, very closely with Barack Obama. Former domestic terrorist William Ayers that Obama said was nothing more than a neighbor and an aquaintance. But in reality there has been a long working relationship between the two on a project designed to spread radical political thought by essentially feeding it to schoolchildren under the guise of educational reform:
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CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
Mr. Obama once conducted “leadership training” seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama’s early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
CAC also funded programs designed to promote “leadership” among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children’s education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama’s alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents “organized” by community groups might be viewed by school principals “as a political threat.” Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber’s objections.
The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC’s first year. He also served on the board’s governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.-
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somecommonsense1 year, 2 months ago
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If Obama is guilty by associating with Ayers on the Boards of two non-profits, the Annenberg Foundation and Woods Fund, isn't it relevant to see who else serves on those boards?
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Take a peek at the Annenberg Foundation members.
1. Walter & Leonore Annenberg - founder who gave Bill Ayers a $49M grant. His widow, Leonore, has endorsed McCain. In fact, just yesterday the McCain Campaign released its list of Ambassadors supporting him. It included, Mrs. Annenberg, a former "chief of protocol" at the State Dep't under the Reagan Administration. A Republican, she also DONATED THE MAX OF $2300 TO McCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IN MAY 2008.
According to Opensecrets.com, she has donated to Republican candidates over 100 times in the past few elections cycles. Her campaign contributions have gone to George W Bush, Fred Thompson, Arlen Spector, Rick Santorum, Jon Kyle, Elizabeth Dole, Bob Dole, Richard Shelby, John Warner,David Dreier, Olympia Snowe, Jon Fox and Christine Todd Whitman.
Have each of these GOP candidates refunded her money because she's got a "domestic terrorist" on her own Board or because she gave that "domestic terrorist" a $49 million grant before Obama was on the Board?
In addition to individual contributions, Mrs. Annenberg also donated regularly to the Republican National Committee, the Republican Senatorial Committee and Republicans for Choice.
Other notable members on the Annenberg Board include:
1. David Kearns - former Deputy Secretary of Education under Bush I; former CEO of Xerox; Chairman of NASDC, a Bush I reform initiative for Education; WORKED FOR & DONATED TO McCAIN'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2000 AND AGAIN IN 2008.
2. Arnold Weber - former member of Nixon Administration; former President of Northwestern University and U of Colorado. Board Member of Tribune Company. DONATED TO McCAIN'S CAMPAIGN.
Other Board Members include leaders in the Education community including professors, deans, and presidents at some of the country's most prestigous colleges. They include: Dr. Patricia Albjerg Graham, Deborah Leff, Adele Smith Simmons, Vartan Gregorian, Ted Sizer, Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett.
Let's take a look at The Woods Fund . . .
Do you know that Presbyterian Minister Cynthia Campbell serves on the Board on the Woods Fund?. She got her Masters in Divinity from Harvard and her doctorate from SMU. She is author of A Multitude of Blessings: A Christian Approach to Religious Diversity, as well as a monograph, Theologies Written from Feminist Perspectives. She is also the current President of the McCormick Theological Seminary. Does this sound like a woman who espouses hate and would associate with domestic terrorists?-
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somecommonsense1 year, 2 months ago
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Additionally, today's Wood Fund's eight-member board includes three academics, a civic leader, a former Illinois state senator and executives from the BP oil company, UBS investment bank and Sahara Enterprises. Former board members include R. Eden Martin (1996-2004), attorney for the law firm Sidley Austin and president of the Commercial Club, Chicago's most prestigious business group. Many of these members are Republicans and supporters of McCain.
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So why is it again the Obama should be chastised for serving on Boards with William Ayers? When the founder of the Annenberg Foundation gave $49 million to Ayers, then put him on her Board, and still to this day contributes thousands to GOP candidates across the country, should each of these GOP members be assailed for taking contributions from someone who associates with a "domestic terrorist" from the 60s?.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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also submitted by RedRiverJ:
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Sen. McCain Champions Illegal Aliens
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/01/06/sen-mcca...
RedRiverJ:
"H-E-L-L-O John McCain, texsangelwings here has the one hundred thousand dollar question for you and all your chums. HOW LONG TO YOU THINK ILLEGALS WILL WORK FOR PEANUTS? They come here learn to work the system via our own laws, (as many people do) political correctness and see just how much they can make and you are so right texasangelwings they will not work for low wages long." -
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somecommonsense1 year, 2 months ago
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In fact I challenge anyone to post a long detailed reason of why I should vote for john McCain...BUT...you can't use any negative attacks in it against Obama, you can say the normal nonsense about raising taxes and that old song and dance but I'd really like to read about why you guys love McCain so much. I know I have posted at length about why I feel Obama would be a better President, what I like about his character, his foreign policy his economic policies, etc...I can't recall reading ONE, ONE substantive post hear about WHY you like McCain, all I read here is why Obama is the devil, blacks cause d the housing crisis, and now black people are destroying our electoral process. Ok so again...why should I vote for McCain, can anyone here compose a rational fact based argument without calling Obama a terrorist?
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TheVisionary1 year, 2 months ago
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That is my biggest problem with debates I've had with McCain supporters including my mother. A severe lack of substance. Then when they try to mention some facts, you smack it down with the truth, and they're left grasping at straws.
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corl641 year, 2 months ago
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I'll give you a short, simple answer. John McCain served this country, as well as being a POW, he's a tried and true American. He has been involved in politics for a long time, this gives him the experience. Even though I have never met the man face to face, I'm sure that I would come away from the encounter knowing that he is a fair and descent man, I can't say the same about Obama. I think any personal meeting with him would be more like shopping for a used car. It comes down to a matter of integrity that I am looking at in combination with the experience to make my decision.
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I know you see all this, "smear" as the Dems are putting it, these are all questions of the man as a whole. I know some stories have been embellished or possibly even totally fabricated, and it's happening on both sides, you can't say that it's not. All the accusations lead me to question the mans judgement. If he is as intelligent as what everyone says, why has he always gotten himself into these situations. The only answer that I can think of is that at that particular moment in time, that is what he felt was the right thing to do, it's just poor judgement. All of us have had lapses of reason in our lifetimes, we're only human. But, someone running for the most powerful position in the free world, needs a cleaner track record of using common sense.
I've said it before, McCain is no angel, he's a politician, there has been lapses in his background, any politician will have that, but looking at the experience and the fact that he served his country and almost paid the ultimate price for his patriotism, he'll get my vote.
You see, no calling him a terrorist,or anything else along those lines, nothing racial behind my reasoning. I'm just looking for experience and some integrity.-
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bruhaha1 year, 2 months ago
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"I'll give you a short, simple answer. John McCain served this country, as well as being a POW, he's a tried and true American. He has been involved in politics for a long time, this gives him the experience."
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ETproductions1 year, 2 months ago
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RedriverJ, are you even aware that the Annenberg FOundation was established by arch conservative Walter H. Annenberg? No, obviously not. Facts are so clearly liberally biased that your sort avoids them. Besides, acquiring real facts requires reading, when it's so much easier to just listen to Rush.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Jan. 13, 2008, 9:39 p.m., RedRiverJ?warns us about John McCain's
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"Abysmal record on immigration."
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?D... ?http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.... ?
--Thanks for the warning,Red--at least we both agree in general that John McCain is extremely dangerous for our country and would suck in every conceivable way as President. Keep on reporting the facts about this unbelievably unstable man, John McCain.
xoxoxo Meso ;-P
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