McCain-Obama Debate Firsts 10-15-08 »
Posted By velahan 8 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsYou might have dozed off a bit during the multitude of Democratic primary debates, but presidential debates are different, and this last of three has everyone on their toes speculating on what Sen. John McCain will say to mount his much needed comeback.
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gamahuche8 months, 3 weeks ago
It seemed as if Obama was playing it safe and that McCain, try as he might, couldn't find a real opening to score a significant hit - though he was certainly trying.
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It was certainly the most coherent and focussed of the debates and though the attacks were direct they stayed within the boundaries of good manners.
Can either of them deal with the current real problems?
I doubt it, especially in the partisan nature of small d democratic politics.
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orndorffter8 months, 3 weeks ago
Sometime and olace I went to sleep during the debate, it was almost over when I woke up, the sad thing about these debates are to have to listen to -two good men attacking each other. You have to admite they say some words that hurts the other one I wish they woulden't have to do that. But what I got into was a pretty good debate even the part of Joe the Plumer.
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tchef8 months, 3 weeks ago
I felt that Obama won again. McCain keeps coming with the same attacks on Obama's programs. Obama explains them away and McCain just repeats the same attack. McCain is not showing us anything new. Just the same policies that we have seen in the last 8 years. McCain says he's not Bush but he hasn't shown us any difference in the last 8 years.
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DeauxNut8 months, 3 weeks ago
IMHO, McCain won but the polls say just the opposite. I think he addressed the "Joe the plumber" issue much better than Obama when he said he's going to let "Joe" keep his own wealth rather than the Obama plan of spreading Joe's wealth around. That's part of the problem now, what YOU make and what I make is spread around and we can't keep what we have to secure our own futures. Thank God I had the foresight many years ago to secure my own financial independence in my retirement that I am enjoying now and not everybody else that may be enjoying theirs at MY expense.
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sumptuousdigs8 months, 3 weeks ago
Joe the plumber? It was like watching Jackie Gleason (Obama) polishing a glass as "Crazy Guegenheim" (McCain) whined about life* The opposite to Gleason's "Joe the bartender" was played by Frankie Fontain, a very good singer*
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Like Joe the bartender said during the skit, "Sing another song for me Crazy" *** Lol!-
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amervtrn8 months, 3 weeks ago
If you worked for a small to medium business you wouldn't laugh. Apparently few of you realize that most small to medium businesses are S-type Corps,LLC, and such, where the company is all shown as a pass through on personal income tax. Obama's tax plan would kill those businesses.Thats a lot of unemployment. So I'll ask again can the USA afford Obama's Socialist fairy tale?
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tchef8 months, 3 weeks ago
Here's a story on Joe the Plumber, turns out he isn't even a licensed plumber or any where near making $250K.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/16/joe-the-...
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tiredofwhiners8 months, 3 weeks ago
I fell asleep near the end and woke up to post debate analysis. I can't say who won. There is no winning or losing. It all depends on whether you believe Obama's or McCain's promises, experience, judgement, record and basic philosophy. Both are liberals but, of course Obama's past suggests he is far more liberal regarding federal spending, taxes, drilling offshore, and new government programs such as health care. Joe the plumber was contacted and said he thinks Obama's tax plan would hurt him more than McCain's but wouldn't say who he would vote for.
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As for Obama's associations with "bad" people, such as Ayers, apparently many believe it doesn't matter, and he has learned his lesson just as McCain said he learned his lesson about illegal immigration. They believe he will "unlearn" all the far left lessons he learned from Wright, Ayers, Phleger, ACORN, Chicago Democratic machine, et al.
If Obama is elected I feel he will muddle through our crisis and if he gets lucky, we will be OK after 4 years of him and the Democratic congress. I don't see our national debt going down though and illegal immigration will not be stopped. Social security will be a big problem but I will probably be dead by the time it goes bankrupt. Save and invest your own money for your retirement.-
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
The debate seemed to be good for McCain but he didn't hit as hard as he should have. Obama is clearly a skilled trial attorney and dodged many of the questions. He claims of Ayers not working on this campaign was done well. The term was this campaign. It didn't mention the state for federal races nor did it mention the primaries. Ayers worked on all of them. On the other issues, it's clear the media doesn't care that he's associated with felons, racists or terrorists.
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In the end if Obama does win, I see bad time ahead. He's promised national health, tax cuts for all, more money for college and increasing our foreign aid many times what it is today. How are we going to pay for it? He's already told us that. Cutting the military. Reducing weapons system and cutting back development of new systems that would better protect our troops. In his one speech he's made it clear that he plans on resigning the military. We're seeing someone who will make Clinton look great and possibly rival Jimmy Carter for worst president ever. My only fear, the GOP doesn't have a Reagan in the wings.
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Grancher8 months, 3 weeks ago
Before the debate I thought maybe one of them would be an ok president, but now I don't want to vote for either of them.
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Obama pretty much told us straight out that he plans to greatly increase the speed at which the Federal Government is centralizing power in the US. This, combined with his suggestion that we should goad Russia into nuclear war and beat Pakistan into submission during the first debate, eats away at the credibility I was giving him for his apparent willingness to explain things.
McCain on the other hand kept repeating popular misconceptions as though they were some sort of justification for something. Things like the claim that corporate taxes in the US are some of the highest in the world, while this is true on paper, not long ago we saw a IRS study that said due to loopholes and tax credits many (certainly most of the largest) US corporations don't pay any taxes at all. There were others that I had heard of before, but I forgot what they were. Anyway he didn't dispute too many of Obama's repudiations to his claims. McCain also avoided saying much of anything about his own policies, he said some vague things yes, but he avoided meaningful detail, which would make it clear exactly what he plans to do.
So to me it looks like a choice between another great centralizer of government who says what he wants to do up front, or someone who is using old lies (or misconceptions if that word sounds better) to justify vague plans, which could have the same result as those of the first guy, but could be worse, or could be better, we don't know, but if he's better than Obama you'd expect him to say so.
On the one hand it might be better to vote McCain and hope he's not too bad. On the other hand maybe it is better to have a President who is going to let you know before he punches you in face, in which case Obama might be a better choice.
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
As a life member of the GOP, I would agree. This whole campaign is like a cell phone commercial. My coverage sucks but not as bad as the other guys. In this case you have a liberal Republican and a socialist Democrat. In the end it's not that I'm voting for the best candidate. It's a my candidate may suck but not as bad as yours. Terrible. Once again voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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Grancher8 months, 3 weeks ago
This article wasn't all that great, but we need somewhere to talk about the debate. Thanks velehan for getting something on the front page fairly quickly.
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jaern8 months, 3 weeks ago
John McCain sounded and looked desperate. The snorting, the faces. I loved Obama's quick response to his well rehearsed line, "I'm no George Bush."
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ETproductions8 months, 3 weeks ago
Reading the comments, it seems that McCain supporters thought he won and Obama supporters thought he won. The important opinion is that of independents and undedcided voters, and the after-debate polls show Obama scored far better than McCain with this critical set.
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