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Posted By velahan 1 year, 2 months ago in Political NewsYou might have dozed off a bit during the multitude of Democratic primary debates, but presidential debates are different, and this last of three has everyone on their toes speculating on what Sen. John McCain will say to mount his much needed comeback.
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gamahuche1 year, 2 months ago
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It seemed as if Obama was playing it safe and that McCain, try as he might, couldn't find a real opening to score a significant hit - though he was certainly trying.
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It was certainly the most coherent and focussed of the debates and though the attacks were direct they stayed within the boundaries of good manners.
Can either of them deal with the current real problems?
I doubt it, especially in the partisan nature of small d democratic politics.
A government of national unity is what's needed but that's not going to happen, is it?-
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't know, I'm a little mystified on this rating system.
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As to your first comment, It seems we are more divided in more ways than ever with this election cycle. I was still somewhat disappointed that we didn't hear more that we haven't heard over and over.-
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DeauxNut1 year, 2 months ago
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McCain FINALLY said it, "I am NOT George Bush", etc. I almost fell out the chair. That was the highlight of the debate.
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The "rating system" is quite a bit skewed in Obama's favor. You could see it on the panel at CNN last night after the debate, David Gergen especially as he commented that the poll numbers are skewed. He stopped short of saying that the polls are invalid. If he would have said that then he wouldn't be invited back to CNN/DNC.-
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DeauxNut1 year, 2 months ago
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Sure he did, you must have gotten up to cook some popcorn or something. Seriously, it was the highlight of the debate, even the democrap pundits said so on CNN, a very big point in his favor especially with the independants. Obama was way too laid back like an old stick in the mud. Also, he failed to answer (successfully) the ACORN topic. But in all reality it doesn't matter as the economy is the topic, not the mud slinging. Even tho I'm for the McCain ticket I think it was improper to bring up the Ayres issue. Both candidates have to reach out to the middle class a bit more and stop all this nonsense of "did too", "did not" crapola.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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So, enlighten me, what is he going to do different? His economic plan is just a continuation of what we have seen for the last 8 years, his health plan is the same as the one Bush outlined in his State of the Union speech 2 years ago, his policy toward the war on terror is the same. So what is left? Change the name on the door, that's about it.
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Grancher1 year, 2 months ago
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I'm pretty sure governments of national unity only happen in countries with parliamentary systems or only one party.
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Really what do you want a government of national unity for anyway? That just means there is no one interested in letting the press, and indirectly the people, know what's gong on in government. Division in politics is good, it spread out the power so no one gets too much, its the American way.
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orndorffter1 year, 2 months ago
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Sometime and olace I went to sleep during the debate, it was almost over when I woke up, the sad thing about these debates are to have to listen to -two good men attacking each other. You have to admite they say some words that hurts the other one I wish they woulden't have to do that. But what I got into was a pretty good debate even the part of Joe the Plumer.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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I felt that Obama won again. McCain keeps coming with the same attacks on Obama's programs. Obama explains them away and McCain just repeats the same attack. McCain is not showing us anything new. Just the same policies that we have seen in the last 8 years. McCain says he's not Bush but he hasn't shown us any difference in the last 8 years.
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DeauxNut1 year, 2 months ago
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IMHO, McCain won but the polls say just the opposite. I think he addressed the "Joe the plumber" issue much better than Obama when he said he's going to let "Joe" keep his own wealth rather than the Obama plan of spreading Joe's wealth around. That's part of the problem now, what YOU make and what I make is spread around and we can't keep what we have to secure our own futures. Thank God I had the foresight many years ago to secure my own financial independence in my retirement that I am enjoying now and not everybody else that may be enjoying theirs at MY expense.
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prater56001 year, 2 months ago
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I don't think Joe the plumber did much for most of the people watching. First off, I didn't know plumbers made over 250K. Second, this guy wants us to believe that people making 250K and up won't be able to start businesses under Obama's plan. I don't think most people believe that.
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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That may sound like a lot to the average person but that's not really his take home. When you realize the equipment, tools, and truck along with extra crews when needed, that's not a lot. Add to that your insurances, licenses and other expenses, it's not a lot of money. At the time Joe asked about buying his bosses business. You then have a bank loan too. Senator Obama made it clear Joe's profits should be taken and used to help someone else. A tax increase. I wonder why he doesn't say the same thing to his Hollywood friends or fellow lawyers? Your salary is capped at $250,000, the rest goes for taxes. That's what he wants to do for the CEO's and apparently Joe Six Pack, but doesn't tell that to his people. Go figure. Liberal Socialism at work once again.
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Tangent0011 year, 2 months ago
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Then who is the 'he' you are referring to here?
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"I wonder why he doesn't say the same thing to his Hollywood friends or fellow lawyers? Your salary is capped at $250,000, the rest goes for taxes. That's what he wants to do for the CEO's and apparently Joe Six Pack, but doesn't tell that to his people."
Oh, I get it, this is part of his 'Secret Agenda' that we won't know about until we wake up one morning to find Obama has changed the flag, rewritten the Constitution, and mothballed the entire military, right?
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amervtrn1 year, 2 months ago
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Apparently few of you realize that most small to medium businesses are S-type Corps,LLC, and such, where the company is all shown as a pass through on personal income tax. Obama's tax plan would kill those businesses.Thats a lot of unemployment.
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krystaleahs1 year, 2 months ago
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Okay first of all Joe is interested in buying the business. He doesn't currently make 250,000 but has the potential to if he buys the company and it does well. Second of all there is a lot more overhead and payroll costs that come along with owning a business. It's not that Obama's going to necessarily cap his earnings but given the Corporate Tax rate under Obama's administration, Joe will be paying .65 on the dollar to the government. These so called corporate loop holes that Obama wants to close are the much needed tax deductions that businesses rely on to stay afloat sometimes. Clinton did it in his administration and Bush gave the deductions back.
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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I heard a blurb of Obama saying the same line at a rally today that plumbers don't make that much. LOL, I can tell you haven't had to call a plumber lately! Seriously though, it was the company as I'm sure you are aware, and that's not uncommon, or rich. He's not going to get the truly rich to pay more, simply won't happen. He's going after the upper middle class, the people who still work 10-14 hours a day. Where is the fairness in that?
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't have much retirement saved. With three children I'm just making enough to put a little money away. My company is small and offers no insurance or retirement. It's all up to me. I have watched the value of my dollar shrink in the last 8 years. I'm moving backwards instead of forward. McCain wants to give the tax break to the CEO's who make more in their bonuses than most of us do all year. Trickle down doesn't work. It has helped put us where we are.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe the plumber? It was like watching Jackie Gleason (Obama) polishing a glass as "Crazy Guegenheim" (McCain) whined about life* The opposite to Gleason's "Joe the bartender" was played by Frankie Fontain, a very good singer*
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Like Joe the bartender said during the skit, "Sing another song for me Crazy" *** Lol!-
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amervtrn1 year, 2 months ago
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If you worked for a small to medium business you wouldn't laugh. Apparently few of you realize that most small to medium businesses are S-type Corps,LLC, and such, where the company is all shown as a pass through on personal income tax. Obama's tax plan would kill those businesses.Thats a lot of unemployment. So I'll ask again can the USA afford Obama's Socialist fairy tale?
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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Here's a story on Joe the Plumber, turns out he isn't even a licensed plumber or any where near making $250K.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/16/joe-the-...
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 2 months ago
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I fell asleep near the end and woke up to post debate analysis. I can't say who won. There is no winning or losing. It all depends on whether you believe Obama's or McCain's promises, experience, judgement, record and basic philosophy. Both are liberals but, of course Obama's past suggests he is far more liberal regarding federal spending, taxes, drilling offshore, and new government programs such as health care. Joe the plumber was contacted and said he thinks Obama's tax plan would hurt him more than McCain's but wouldn't say who he would vote for.
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As for Obama's associations with "bad" people, such as Ayers, apparently many believe it doesn't matter, and he has learned his lesson just as McCain said he learned his lesson about illegal immigration. They believe he will "unlearn" all the far left lessons he learned from Wright, Ayers, Phleger, ACORN, Chicago Democratic machine, et al.
If Obama is elected I feel he will muddle through our crisis and if he gets lucky, we will be OK after 4 years of him and the Democratic congress. I don't see our national debt going down though and illegal immigration will not be stopped. Social security will be a big problem but I will probably be dead by the time it goes bankrupt. Save and invest your own money for your retirement.-
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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The debate seemed to be good for McCain but he didn't hit as hard as he should have. Obama is clearly a skilled trial attorney and dodged many of the questions. He claims of Ayers not working on this campaign was done well. The term was this campaign. It didn't mention the state for federal races nor did it mention the primaries. Ayers worked on all of them. On the other issues, it's clear the media doesn't care that he's associated with felons, racists or terrorists.
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In the end if Obama does win, I see bad time ahead. He's promised national health, tax cuts for all, more money for college and increasing our foreign aid many times what it is today. How are we going to pay for it? He's already told us that. Cutting the military. Reducing weapons system and cutting back development of new systems that would better protect our troops. In his one speech he's made it clear that he plans on resigning the military. We're seeing someone who will make Clinton look great and possibly rival Jimmy Carter for worst president ever. My only fear, the GOP doesn't have a Reagan in the wings.-
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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Actually, no he didn't answer the questions, he skirted the issues. I still can't understand someone as educated as Obama seems to be not understanding the hate spewed out from Wright's pulpit weekly. Hate speech whether pitched from an African American or Caucasian America is still have speech. Yet he didn't hear any of that. He's either incapable or lying. There's no way you spend 23 years listening to it and not understand what it is.
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fsev411 year, 2 months ago
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I'd love to know BB64 just how many of Rev Wright's sermons you have heard. Over 20 years and allowing for vacations etc. I figure well over 800 sermons were given. You imply that all of his sermons were hateful but I, for one, have only heard a short excerpt from one sermon repeated over and over again. I just have to wonder why his congregation grew from 80 people to about 8,000 people. He was a respected member of the community. He volunteered fro the marine corps and served six years. Me thinks you judge the man harshly and on little fact. Typical republican.
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Grancher1 year, 2 months ago
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Before the debate I thought maybe one of them would be an ok president, but now I don't want to vote for either of them.
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Obama pretty much told us straight out that he plans to greatly increase the speed at which the Federal Government is centralizing power in the US. This, combined with his suggestion that we should goad Russia into nuclear war and beat Pakistan into submission during the first debate, eats away at the credibility I was giving him for his apparent willingness to explain things.
McCain on the other hand kept repeating popular misconceptions as though they were some sort of justification for something. Things like the claim that corporate taxes in the US are some of the highest in the world, while this is true on paper, not long ago we saw a IRS study that said due to loopholes and tax credits many (certainly most of the largest) US corporations don't pay any taxes at all. There were others that I had heard of before, but I forgot what they were. Anyway he didn't dispute too many of Obama's repudiations to his claims. McCain also avoided saying much of anything about his own policies, he said some vague things yes, but he avoided meaningful detail, which would make it clear exactly what he plans to do.
So to me it looks like a choice between another great centralizer of government who says what he wants to do up front, or someone who is using old lies (or misconceptions if that word sounds better) to justify vague plans, which could have the same result as those of the first guy, but could be worse, or could be better, we don't know, but if he's better than Obama you'd expect him to say so.
On the one hand it might be better to vote McCain and hope he's not too bad. On the other hand maybe it is better to have a President who is going to let you know before he punches you in face, in which case Obama might be a better choice.
Who needs attack ads? Give these guys a little rope and they hang themselves.-
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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As a life member of the GOP, I would agree. This whole campaign is like a cell phone commercial. My coverage sucks but not as bad as the other guys. In this case you have a liberal Republican and a socialist Democrat. In the end it's not that I'm voting for the best candidate. It's a my candidate may suck but not as bad as yours. Terrible. Once again voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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This time I don't see it that way, as a one time Republican (voted for Reagan the first time) and the rest of the time Democrat, I truly feel that Obama is the man for this time. I have read his book, and watched him. I think that he knows what to do for this country.
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I used to like McCain, and would have gladly voted for him in 2000 if I was given the chance. Unfortunately I wasn't. I held my nose and voted for Gore. But after watching McCain change over the last 8 years I have concluded that he is not the man he used to be. He is no longer the Maverick reformer, he is now the Reformed Maverick. (thanks Jon Stewart)
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ETproductions1 year, 2 months ago
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Reading the comments, it seems that McCain supporters thought he won and Obama supporters thought he won. The important opinion is that of independents and undedcided voters, and the after-debate polls show Obama scored far better than McCain with this critical set.
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