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    orndorffter1 year, 1 month ago

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    I dont think that there well be any catching up, Obama has won this election and all the lies put out against him proved that evryone was caught up in the lies The McCain Campaine put out all it did was hurt mcCain and Obama wins.

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    ljponejolic1 year, 1 month ago

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    theres a lot about obama that the media will not bring out if the people in this country are that stupid i feel sorry for a lot of people if this guy pulls this off so lets all tellour children how the greatest free nation went socialist

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      Natureboy1 year, 1 month ago

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      "lets all tellour children how the greatest free nation went socialist"

      Righto, we can tell them it happened when Bush nationalized the banks.

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        Independent991 year, 1 month ago

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        "Righto, we can tell them it happened when Bush nationalized the banks."

        In which all parties McCain and Obama as well as Congress agreed upon! Poor argument.

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          Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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          It's not a poor argument for making the case that Bush is the worst kind of 'socialist' this country has ever seen, redistributing the country's wealth into the pockets of corporations and criminals on wall street. The last people who should see monetary gain for their actions.

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            prater56001 year, 1 month ago

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            Why is it a poor argument? Aren't conservatives against socialism? You don't think it's significant that a conservative president would nationalize the banks?

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              tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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              Who was it who called for the bailout in the first place? George W. Bush.

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                HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                As if that matters, hell all went along with shrub and Iraq also, and now think it is ok as it is now part of everyday life.
                Elected officials get a great health care plan, courtesy of the tax payer, and that is socialism; just don't give it to the tax payers though.
                As Snowball said (think it was Snowball)
                "All animals are created equal, just some are more equal than others"

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                  DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                  First suggested by former Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady, former Controller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, and Reagan-era Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker.

                  Question for you .. test ... who voted for it besides McCain?

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                DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                "Bush" can't do ANYthing by himself, he needs the democraps support which, btw, he got. Read your history.

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                  HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                  Well I do agree with your first 6 words.....truer words have not been spoken
                  LOL

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                  mdsky011 year, 1 month ago

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                  Bush didn't "nationalize the banks". Clinton did it in 1999, Bush wasn't in office yet.

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                    cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                    actually, Andrew Jackson nationalized the banks when he created the Federal Reserve.

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                      Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago

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                      Which piece of legislation was that? I think you're referring to the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. Allowing banks and insurance companies to merge is hardly 'nationalizing', quite the opposite, it is removing government regulation.

                      But perhaps you are referring to something else?

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                    SENIORLADY1 year, 1 month ago

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                    PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FACT AND FICTION SHOULD NOT OFFER COMMENTS. THE FACT REMAINS, THAT OBAMA HAS BEEN UP FRONT DURING HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. HE HAS BEEN MUD SLINGING - AND HAS PROVEN HIMSELF TO BE A MORAL AND ETHICAL INDIVIDUAL.

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                      DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                      " HE HAS BEEN MUD SLINGING - AND HAS PROVEN HIMSELF TO BE A MORAL AND ETHICAL INDIVIDUAL."

                      Hmmm, so what you're saying is that HIS mud-slinging is moral and ethical. Interesting ...

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                        Sludge-Guzzler1 year, 1 month ago

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                        ...plus she spewed all that BS in caps.

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                        Codi69341 year, 1 month ago

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                        If McCain had half of the questionable "friends" that Obama had. The media would branded him as a card carrying member if the clan. Obama is far form ethical or moral. He is a crook that has not been caught , like some of his friend, .yet!!

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                        Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago

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                        Yep, as we watch the real-time results of the 2048 elections flicker in over the holovision, a string of micro-wind generators fluttering like hummingbirds outside the window, I'll set my healthy and well-educated grandkids on my knee and tell them how Obama helped steer America away from becoming a fascist plutocratic oligarchy.

                        "Yes, dears, that was a few years before Dick Cheney and the CEOs of Halliburton and KBR were sentenced to have their 'nads yanked off at a monster truck rally for Iraq war profiteering. Ah, memories!"

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                          Om1 year, 1 month ago

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                          The greatest nation went socialist with the current administration. Wake up.

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                            HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                            Sorry guy but Canada is not socialist....lol

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                          MILITA1 year, 1 month ago

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                          Sen. McCain won the debate and thank God because
                          Obama is a socialist and his supporters should
                          wake up and vote for Sen. McCain too
                          Sen. McCain should continue to make it hot for
                          Obama and win the election. Not only is spread-
                          the-wealth Obama a socalist but his friends are
                          dangerous and therefore Obama has a questionable
                          reputation which McCain should continue to zero
                          in on and win the election. I shudder to think
                          what would happen to us if Obama won. This
                          guy is not qualified to be president of America
                          and he is unfit as well. He belongs in jail.
                          Phyllis Kunz

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                            Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                            McCain didn't win anything with his 'pat' answers that you could tell were overly practiced and thrown out to questions they didn't quite fit. He did well enough, though, that he shouldn't be too embarassed. I wonder, though, if the shaking in his hands was being nervous or early onset alzheimers. It had that circular twitch aspect to it that I so often see in hospice work.

                            As for socialism, like most neo-CONS, you wouldn't know it if it bit you on your big fat arse. BushCo has redistributed our wealth into the pockets of corporations and corrupt bank officials, not to mention a wall street which played loose with the laws and lost (and should have lost). Not to mention the nationalization of banks. *That* is socialism. Of the very worst kind.

                            I don't know where you poorly educated morons get your information. No wait. I do. McCain/Palin talking points. Which have been show to be out and out lies. I don't want a liar to be President. Especially not one who continues to lie and froth at the mouth when called on his lies.

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                              DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                              McCain won the debate with only one line, "I am not President Bush, if you wanted to run against him you should have run four years ago". Even the pundits on CNN agree with that one and got a few smiles. Buttt, being the CNN/DNC that they are had to wrap up by saying that McCain was only on top for the first half.

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                                cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                mcsame couldn't even find his way off the stage and you think he WON???

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                                  HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                  well deuxnut; you are partially right, he did well the first half and more than held his own, but lost it when Obama informed him that Joe the Plumber would have NO penalty directed at him.
                                  The little boy lost look that came over his face was priceless.

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                              djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago

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                              Sen. McCain won the debate

                              Hahahahahahahaha

                              Good one.

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                              Will13131 year, 1 month ago

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                              McCain.. master debator....

                              http://masterdebater.ytmnd.com/

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                                prater56001 year, 1 month ago

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                                As an independent who's voting for Obama, I'd have to say McCain won the first half of the debate and the rest was a draw. Obama became better at defense during the latter half and was able to deflect McCain's attacks. Problem for McCain is he didn't do anything to stop Obama's momentum. Short of a major scandal, Obama is going to win this thing.

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                                  OneLove20081 year, 1 month ago

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                                  I still don't understand why so many of my fellow Americans are against socialism. France, Britain, Canada... all socialist countries. Those countries have excellent health care and education. The worst thing we have to say about Canada is that they are beer drinking, maple syrup eating and polite... sounds horrible! I am not saying I want to be exactly like these countries as we have so much more to offer but we won't be able to advance as a nation if we are so sick and uneducated that we can't stand up and fight against our biggest problems. If socialism is going to get me health care and a better education I am all for it.

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                                    willottica1 year, 1 month ago

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                                    Oh come on, surely you can think of worse things to say about us up here!

                                    Don't we harbour terrorists?
                                    Aren't we so spineless that we have to be defended by the US military all the time?
                                    Don't we talk funny?
                                    Aren't we too poor to afford real houses so we have to live in igloos?
                                    Don't we all club baby seals for fun?

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                                    djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago

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                                    I still don't understand why so many of my fellow Americans are against socialism.

                                    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

                                    Or "Don't look now but we're already a socialist nation. during the last 8 years we've become more fascist too.

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                                      HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                      OneLove2008
                                      "I am not saying I want to be exactly like these countries as we have so much more to offer"
                                      As a Canadian, I do not want or need what you have to offer, most likely we already have it, and if we don't, well we don't need it.
                                      Comments like that tick me off as I am not, never was or ever will be, whether as a man or a citizen of Canada inferior to you or USA.

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                                        OneLove20081 year, 1 month ago

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                                        HannibalBarca,
                                        I did not mean my comment to be taken as an offence. I have several family members and friends in Canada and would never say that we are superior to any country. By my name you should've realized that this. What I meant by the comment was that we have a large land mass with a very large population. I believe the population of Canada is around 30 million, whereas the US is around 300 million. We literarlly we have more to offer because there are more people, more businesses, properties, schools etc. If we could stream line the political and social policies we could offer a lot more to the world.

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                                          HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                          OneLove;
                                          Point taken.
                                          I don't think my country has to take a backseat to anyone, we have our faults, but we also shine at times too.
                                          And I misunderstood your comment as a small put down.

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                                        cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                        and canadians have beautiful teeth!

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                                          HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                          And the Beaver is our national animal, any more body parts to discuss.
                                          And when you use small letters for another's country, it is usually taken as an insult.

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                                            HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                            Opps, saw down farther that you didn't even capitalize ""i"" when you spoke of yourself so I take it you were not taking a swipe at Canadians.

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                                        tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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                                        Obama won. McCain used the same attacks and when Obama explained them away McCain just repeated the same attacks. McCain claims to not be a continuation of Bush but does nothing to show how he is different. Even his health care plan is one laid out by Bush in his State of the Union speech 2 years ago.

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                                          dunkirk1 year, 1 month ago

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                                          I f you listened to the Daily show yesterday it was hilarious. He took McCains new stump speech and played it aginst the speech he made at the rnc convention. Almost exactly the same eword for word.

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                                            tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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                                            I saw that. It was awesome. Obama should use it as a commercial.

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                                              Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago

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                                              During the RNC, The Daily Show also ran McCain's acceptance speech alongside Bush's acceptance speech. They were practically identical.

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                                              DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                                              Shoot!! You mean I missed the part of the speech where he was gonna give me $5000.

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                                              greenmac1 year, 1 month ago

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                                              McCain looked frustrated and lost .... and I believe he is. he can read the writing on the wall.... he has lost. Maybe if he hadn't focused on destroying Obamas character and encouraging others to do the same ...he may have done better. He didn't though, he was unable to see how this would reflect badly on him and his party ..... He was destined to fail and he set thr path to his failure.

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                                                HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                He did OK in the first 30 minutes but lost it when he brought up Joe the Plumber (Watergate?)and the fine he would pay under Obama's plan
                                                The look on his face was priceless when Obama said" Joe gets zero fine"; a deer in the headlights, kinda like when he was confronted about Viagra and birth control.
                                                SNL I hope has a run on this.
                                                LMAO

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                                                  cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                  i took special note of that "dear in headlights look" and that is the exact phrase that popped into my mind.

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                                                  tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                  McCain should have spent this whole campaign showing how he was going to be different than John McCain. But he just showed us how he is the same.

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                                                    cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                    but he sure gave it a good shot!

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                                                    DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                    I disagree

                                                    without the negative campaigning, McCain had nothing but 'he's inexperienced and I was a POW' in addition to the traditional GOP platform [party of morality, pro-gun, pro-life, fiscal conservatives [!] against the 'tax and spend party' etc.]

                                                    not a lot to run on, ESPECIALLY when you've got the albatross of Iraq and the current financial crisis around your neck like the proverbial millstone, and when you yourself have said you voted along the lines of the party and president in power at the time of those two things, over 90% of the time

                                                    there was just no way to distance himself from Bush after he admitted that 90+ thing. Too clear, too believable-and McCain said it himself, now way to refute it

                                                    I think the negative campaigning galvanized his in-the-bag supporters mostly, but may have gotten a few on-the-fencers' votes thru fear and smear and made it a little closer

                                                    but barring a major CLEAR AND BELIEVABLE scandal from Obama, McCain was just a deckhand on a sinking ship, doomed from the get

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                                                      DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                      ''over 90% of the time''

                                                      now that I think about it, it's kinda like karma bit him in the butt:

                                                      if he woulda stayed true to himself and not buckled under to the people who stabbed him in the back in a dirty 2000 campaign, he might not be losing in a dirty 2008 campaign

                                                      by selling out and going along to get along with that 90+ voting-along-with-Bush record, there was just no way to overcome the attachment to Bush and party and retrieve his 'independent maverick' reputation from long ago

                                                      somewhere along the line he went from proud upright maverick to the broken shouldered man we see today-and he did it to himself. Maybe he felt his age and heard that political clock ticking away his ambitions, and then kissed party butt to get the nomination, since playing it straight and proud in 2000 didn't work-I don't know for sure

                                                      But I can see a lesson in there somewhere for all of us

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                                                      Mdiar1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                      I have one video for you, that sums up the entire debate:

                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-R2HcxkeA

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                                                        DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                        oh sh!t... just look at his face!

                                                        McCain is no poker player

                                                        ouch

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                                                          HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                          Still a good one Mdiar...ROTFLMAO

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                                                            Will13131 year, 1 month ago

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                                                            good one.. I watched that last night at the local pub..... my friends all said the same thing.. McCain was looking for a gotcha.. and he got one..

                                                            looked like a man that had just had an involuntary bowel movement...

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                                                            DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                            "destroying Obamas character and encouraging others to do the same ". Didn't need encouraging. Obama purposely dodged the ACORN issue. But at the same time, I don't think it a wise move for McCain to pursue the Ayers issue either. He should have left that out, IMHO.

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                                                            medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                            McCain clearly Won! He's back, and I have made my decision to vote for him, because he represents ME not a Welfare SSI recipient that wants MY MONEY AGAIN!
                                                            Obama is a typical Hoover, and only wants to lie like Clinton during Campaign, right after his cut-middle-class-tax talk turned into higher Middle-Class taxes!
                                                            Obama's very clear, uppity-proud pompus attitude, extremely un-apolagetic over the shrewd way Senator Lewis spoke about McCain & Palin, if YOU READ IT YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT HE SAID!, Obama Loves African Americans to TALK DOWN TO WHITES, in particular he has vengence in his heart for Elder Whites, like my Grandparents, and I will have NONE OF THAT.
                                                            There is actually a growing Movement of Middle-Class to Upper-Middle Class taxpaying workers, that see rising Entitlement costs and MORE new Entitlements buy Obama, that will cause MASSIVE RETIREMENT, either Early Retirement or take their Retirements ASAP, so as NOT to have to pay Obama's Tax and Spend on Entitlements Agenda.
                                                            Obama is classicly Open Book, Racist, Revengeful, Socialist Pro Gigantic Government Entitlements.
                                                            His love for Swollen and Bloated Pork Barrell Entitlements, will cause the US of Entitlements to EMPLODE!
                                                            When will Obama cause the US to EMPLODE From Entitlement Overbloat? Between 2010 & 2011 for sure, no later.
                                                            McCain will CUT THESE BLOATED Programs, because SSI's Pay Zero Taxes! They go to college free, their whole SSI family get's to go to college free. Free SSI Medical Everything and DiVinci Caps on their Teeth Free, Free Food STamps, the SSI's CAN OWN A HOME OF ANY VALUE WHATSOEVER, even a million dollar homeowner CAN collect Tax free $925 per person of SSI in the household!

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                                                              seasplash1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                              YOU SAID IT ALL...

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                                                                tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                Here's a little article about "Joe the Plumber". Seems that he isn't even a licensed plumber and no where near making 250K.

                                                                http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/16/joe-the-...

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                                                                  DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                  Geeze, you should have read the real story. Yes, he is not a licensed plumber but rather working on the owner's license which a lot of them do and are just as proficient as ones with the paper and sometimes moreso. Joe wants to buy the business and it doesn't matter if he's licensed or not but I strongly suggest that he gets licensed. After that purchase he will probably be in that income bracket.

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                                                                    Will13131 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                    actually without the license. it's a moot point. the business would CLOSE..

                                                                    the plumbers union.. says JOES NO PLUMBER....

                                                                    gonna hold yourself out to BE A PROFESSIONAL.. better have a piece of paper..

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                                                                  dunkirk1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                  yeah the republicans seems to be hung up on that going to college free thing. Abominations isnt it. God almighty what will we become if everyone got to go to college for free. Just the horror of that thought sends chills down my spine. Im not sure what those Obama voters are thinking by leting everyone go to college for free.
                                                                  /sarcasm off

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                                                                    beavith11 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                    then how about the Gov't just writing everyone a check for $1 M?

                                                                    or offering free food?

                                                                    or free housing?

                                                                    or free health care?

                                                                    our success as a nation comes from an ability to work hard for something. handouts are -well- wrong.

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                                                                      DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                      handouts may be 'wrong'[JC's opinion not withstanding] and may even be bad for those that accept them in the long run...but without handouts, sometimes there IS no long run

                                                                      sometimes its a choice between letting Darwin rule the day and letting the weak die, and offering to help those who happen to be in a position where they can't help themselves

                                                                      then there's those two kids under the ghost of Christmas Future's robe, ones born into a position where they need handouts thru no fault of their own

                                                                      not a black and white/wrong or right issue

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                                                                        beavith11 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                        i know what you mean, but that's an over-the-top analogy. we are nowhere near a Dickensian economic state.

                                                                        right now? its a lynch mob/tar and feather party for anyone that has been successful.

                                                                        and its not because of any other reason 'than we can .'

                                                                        beyond the mouth breathers that cry about hte wealthy stealing from the poor, this 'taxes are patriotic' bushwa actually slits our 'productive' throats.

                                                                        we will all be beggared. the only winners wil be the ones the gov't picks. i don't know about you, but that's anathema to what America is... or was....

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                                                                          HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                          Did you know that there is a group of lawyers in Wash DC that have been pationing the IRS to show where and when income tax was made legal for over 7 years, and no answer.
                                                                          Seems not all the States did ratify it so it may be illegal for the Gov to do this.
                                                                          This is off the top of my head but the jist is somewhat correct.
                                                                          1913 Randolf Hearst, J.P.Getty and someone else, maybe Rockefeller hoodwinked the Gov into it.

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                                                                            Will13131 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                            wealthy aren't STEALING from the poor and middle class.. many.. such as the people who have supported Bush the last 8 years.. are willingly just handing it to them.... and asking to give them more.....

                                                                            in the past 2 months.. the government has handed the RICH over 1 TRILLION... because of the stewardship of the Bush administration...

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                                                                        krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                        So it's acceptable for the government to pay for college too?! How much of a deficit would you like this country to have???

                                                                        Keep in mind, nothing is ever free!

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                                                                          cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                          no nothing is free, but educated people get better jobs and pay more taxes. that's how to fund higher education. once started it will fuel itself, and the economy as well.

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                                                                            krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                            Depends on what field you study in. Some people go for the easy degree and expect to make lots of money right out of college. I have a friend that has a masters degree and is over qualified for the jobs she applied for in her field. If everyone has a college degree wouldn't certain jobs be below their paygrade? Not every high school kid and elderly can work the unwanted jobs.

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                                                                        Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                        You believe that? Hey, I've got a toll bridge in Brooklyn that you can have cheap. It'll make a million dollars for you.

                                                                        Take a look at all the programs and tax breaks that McCain is offering. A freeze in discretionary, non-military spending isn't going to come close to balancing them.

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                                                                        medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                        I also want McCain to Win, so he will cut 'Section 8' that the Demogrants have OVERFUNDED, and caused inner city bums to move to my city to Destroy it!
                                                                        Google: Antioch, California Section 8
                                                                        They will have to lEAVE, and my City will come back to normal once they do!
                                                                        Obama will only OVERFUND Section 8.
                                                                        Section 8 has recieved 2 HUGE Fundings HR-1851 Maxine Waters and HR-3221 Pelosi, and SSI is getting a raise for Janurary 2009, and they pay ZERO TAXES, and get absolutely everything else Free and then some.
                                                                        This Entitlement Mania of Obama's will Cause a bigger Depression than the 1st one.
                                                                        Because Obama is like Hoover, and Roosevelt invented and implemented the Welfare system to get America OUT of the Great Depression.
                                                                        But, Obama is going to ADD TO existing Entitlement Programs, and ADD 2-Trillion in NEW Entitlements.
                                                                        I don't care if he quits the War, ends the Military, Taxes ALL rich people, He Spends TOO MUCH AND Plans To Spend Even MORE.
                                                                        I and many others WILL RETIRE EARLY, Poor Ourselves down, so as not to get STUCK paying for YOUR Entitlements.
                                                                        Then, Entitlement Emplosion Great Depression #2, No More Entitlements EVER AGAIN!

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                                                                          tchef1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                          How about all the entitlements that McCain will give the upper class?

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                                                                            Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                            The upper class recipients of McCain/Bush's welfare plan are just fine receiving a few million more. The upper middle class think they're really happy with the extra $82/yr in tax savings.

                                                                            Why would the wealthy who generally already pay almost nothing in taxes, thanks to all sorts of loopholes only available to those who can afford the right tax-preparers and lawyers, want to give money to help this country? They only want to help themselves. To this country's money.

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                                                                              beavith11 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                              the top 10% pay 70% of ALL income taxes.

                                                                              and you make the baseless accusation tha they pay 'almost nothing?'

                                                                              even with loopholes they are paying 70%.

                                                                              what do you think would be fair? the top 10% pay 100% of all income taxes?

                                                                              'want to give money to help this country?'

                                                                              why don't you make a donation to the IRS? they accept checks.

                                                                              first of all, you didn't earn the money. its not your call how it spent. if youwant to pay more, get a better job and stop sniping at the people that have made an effort and work hard.

                                                                              your logic is based on some kind of twisted mob mentality.

                                                                              this is O's mentality. by demonizing a class of society as the reason and the resource for money, i have ot make the parallel to Hitler's demonizing of the jews. he was able to set them apart, take their belongings because, after all ,they wer ethe cause of all the problems.

                                                                              '....tax the rich, feed the poor, turnaround, there aren't any rich anymore...' Ten Years After.

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                                                                                DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                I liked that post-made me think of this line

                                                                                'eat the rich'

                                                                                I also thought of that movie 'Gangs of New York', I think, were the rich were allowed to buy their sons' way out of the civil war with 500 bucks, and the poor rioted and vandalized the rich houses

                                                                                also a quote that goes something like, 'amass a mountain of gold and no army can defend it'

                                                                                and the Buddhist thing 'posses nothing so that nothing will possess you' and attachment brings suffering etc

                                                                                Lennon: 'you better free your mind instead'

                                                                                just a lot of echoes from that post

                                                                                from a less gestalten point of view, 'you didn't earn the money', makes me think of the expression 'old money'. A lot of the rich didn't earn that money either, and other ones earned it by exploiting the poor thru labor, and a lot of us poor give up our wealth voluntarily thru voting for hawks and wars, and otherwise coughing up our cash for dreams and fantasies [confer the wealthy founder of enzyte and ol' smilin' Bob, frowning from prison now I believe]

                                                                                there's just a whole lot to this rich/poor class thing

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                                                                                  willottica1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                  And a whole lot of that wealth was "earned" through the sweat and back-breaking labour of the working and middle class.

                                                                                  Or is pushing pencils around a desk really much harder work than heavy labour?

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                                                                                  Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                  "...the top 10% pay 70% of ALL income taxes." Because they make 70% of all income AND own 80% of all the wealth.

                                                                                  These people make money primarily from investments. Essentially, they move money around, 'earn' interest, or otherwise make their dough off of the productivity of some poor schmoe waaaay down on the food chain. Should those folks be taxed at a higher rate than the ones doing all the heavy lifting and sweating in this economy? You betcha! ESPECIALLY if they invest in companies that move American jobs overseas.

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                                                                                DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                You mean to create jobs and increase production? Yep, I'll go for that.

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                                                                                  cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                  problem is we've been following this track for almost 30 years now and what do we have as a result??? fewer jobs and decreased production. all under republican leadership. we are now living in a second gilded age similar to the turn of the last century with robber barons running wild.

                                                                                  and mcsame's solution???? give them even more tax breaks!!!!

                                                                                  jeez --- how long are you going to keep hitting your head against that brick wall?

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                                                                                    krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                    These corporations already pay a hetfy amount of taxes. By increasing the taxes on companies just means those companies are going to pass that increase onto you. You know the oil companies make 8-10% profit. All the other money goes towards taxes, overhead, ect.. If the government should do anything they should tell us where the hell all that money goes when it's paid to them!!

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                                                                                      cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                      actually they don't bay "a hetfy amount of taxes". we have the second lowest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. many corporations don't pay much in taxes at all...they have legions of tax attorneys working day and night to make sure they don't.

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                                                                              lifelvr201 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                              While I absolutely still support Obama, McCain looked the best he ever has in a debate...& yet...still not good enough. The only way he saw to come out looking stronger was in his flailing attempts to attack Obama again, reiterating his smear ads, because he has clearly given up impressing us with his ability to stay on point. (Similar to his running mate when she was in the debate). Obama's ability to stay calm & on point & focused on the issue at hand...resilient, making decisions & answering questions with absolute clarity, calmness, yet with compassion & the awareness that it is going to be a process. This is who I want to see running this country the next 4 -8 years. McCain doesn't even look well. & you know if something were to happen to him who we would have in office...How scary is that

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                                                                                DeauxNut1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                Not anywhere near as bad as having Pelosi and Reid along with the rest of the democraps in control of capitol hill.

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                                                                                  HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                  As if PNAC did anyone any favours.

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                                                                                medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                Then Jose, If McCain DId Not Please You Enough to Vote for Him, Go Head and Vote for the ONE THAT WILL CAUSE THE GREAT DEPRESSION #2, real fast!
                                                                                He will bring the US into the largest Depression in the History of the World, caused by Entitlement OVERLOAD!
                                                                                He's got way too much he wants, and wants more for what we already have, and this is WHY we are where we are right now!
                                                                                It's the Demogrants that have overspent for the last 2 years.
                                                                                ACORN will never be prosecuted under Obama, and the CROOKS in the Grand Theft Demogrants will walk, and continue to Greedily Steal, Lavishing MORE AND MORE Entitlements, to keep the masses happy, but it will not be enough Income to Match the Put Out of All that Tax Free Money.
                                                                                Oh, and person Up Above that Talked about Joe the Plumber, I DON'T CARE ABOUT JOE or his lack of License, at least he's not of SSI!! He pays Taxes.
                                                                                What you better worry about is:
                                                                                The Back To The Land Movement #2
                                                                                Alot like the Original Back To the Land #1 with Cosby, Still, Nash & Young playing in the background but with a Twist.
                                                                                We are EX-Demogrants, workers that are saying, "We Have Had Enough of Demogrants and Entitlement OVERSPENDING"
                                                                                And, we are going in Mass to become living independent of Utilities, on our own lands, yes we will pay property taxes, BUT FORGET OUR PAYROLL TAXES, We are Bailing Out On YOU PEOPLE that have been getting away with way to much Gratis/Free for much too long, and Obama is the Straw that Broke the Taxpayers Back!
                                                                                We also are Very Self-Defensive!

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                                                                                  Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                  How about we prosecute the crooks in the Bush/McCain administration first? We can start with KBR/Haliburton for screwing over the troops while pocketing billions of dollars in kickbacks, hidden money and no-bid contracts and then move on to the wall street criminals who walked away with golden parachutes despite having lost billions of dollars and caused most of America's retirees to lose their retirement portfolios with their criminal actions.

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                                                                                    OneLove20081 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                    I can appreciate your personal views, however, I sense a lot of anger. You seem very sure in your position so I am sure that nothing I or anyone else has to say will change your mind. I am impressed with your ability to forecast the future "the one that will cause the great depression #2". I am not sure where or why you feel this way unless you only feel this way because that's what McCain said in last night's debate... and then compared him to Hoover as you did above. It worries me that there are citizens like you who take what someone says as face value. I disagree with some of Obama's plans but I disagree with a lot more of McCain's plans. It's funny that when talking about Health Care McCain said that you will be forced to provide Obama's health care plan if you do not offer one yourself. The terrible health care plan of Obama's is also the same Health Care plan for McCain. It seems to suit him just fine. And the company should be fined if they are able to afford it and don't. McCain just assumes the employer will get a different plan and take the $5000... but given a choice between providing a plan and providing no plan, they will choose no plan because that's what they are doing now. Think your own thoughts... that's all I ask. More education for our children will help allow our children to think their own thoughts down the road... for now, please do more research.

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                                                                                    medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                    Go ahead, I don't blame you if you Love your Entitlements, lot's for Tax Free!
                                                                                    But, it will BACKFIRE, and BACKFIRE, it will bring every living creature into it's Wake of Destruction.
                                                                                    It's coming with Obama, it's not going to be averted, there's no way it can be. And Remember You will NOT be getting more of my money!
                                                                                    Alot of others will be doing the same. Not enough taxes paid to pay for the non-taxpayers. Simple Math really. Good Luck, your gonna' need it!
                                                                                    I will be all set up by then, but there's not much time left!

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                                                                                      Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                      You're a nutjob. I feel sorry for your neighbors. No doubt you're one of those crotchety old people who has a pristine lawn and screams at your neighbor's children for laughing while they're playing (then you secretly throw poop from your crappy little dog into their yard because you're too passive aggressive to actually talk to them).

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                                                                                        medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                        Oh, I get it, your one of those 'Mental Other' SSI Recipients...It's OK, your Psychiatrist is available, it's OK, get your Meds, it's OK, the Psyc is in...Go there quickly, oh, you probably cannot drive because of 'Mental Other'..It's OK, just keep telling yourself that, it's OK, only a few weeks till' the check-in-the-box comes, it's OK

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                                                                                          medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                          Talking about throwing poop is 'Mental Other'...It's Ok, only a few weeks to go, the check is in the box for this month, it's OK, get the Med's It's OK..

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                                                                                        medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                        Remember too, the Illegals KNOW about SSI, and are waiting to Apply and Qualify, adding up to 10-20 MORE Million on SSI non-taxpaying Entitlement Recipients!

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                                                                                          Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                          Wow. The GOP *really* has you living in fear, don't they. Kudos to them for their fear-mongering plans working so well.

                                                                                          Doesn't it bother you to live in constant fear, a fear sold to you by those who claim they want to protect you? It's called a protection racket. Just like the Mafia.

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                                                                                            krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                            No, it's simple logic. Give people free stuff they will expect and depend on more. Once dependent on more they will take advantage. Why do you think Medicare has so much fraud?

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                                                                                              beavith11 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                              exactly. its called being a free rider.

                                                                                              i live in fear of working hard for what i have and having it taken away by gov't fiat.

                                                                                              Joe the plumber is also exactly right, whether he has money or not....

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                                                                                                Dionys1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                "Why do you think Medicare has so much fraud?"

                                                                                                Because it benefits the corporations and drug companies that rake in the money from Medicare and no one from the Bush-stuffed DOJ wants to take on big-Pharma? It's not the people getting treated that are making the money.

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                                                                                              ETproductions1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                              Obama's job for the next 19 days is to keep the ground effort rolling to get the vote out and not let people start taking the outcome for granted so much they don't bother to vote. That, and they've got to stop the Republican effort to massively disenfranchise legitimate voters in battleground. That fight is already on its way to the Supreme Court, where the Republican appointees that elected George Bush in 2000 still sit.

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                                                                                              medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                              Why in the Sam Hill would I be living in Fear? I will be living in a mountainous region, remote, and completely self-sustaining, and eco-friendly-clean, on my own land, so why would I be feared?
                                                                                              Oh, You mean the Fear of the Taxes to pay BLOATED Entitlements, right? YES, those Taxes that Obama will try and take from me, and the other's I know that will Massive Early Out, Retire, or just leave the regular work force, are doing so to Expidite what Obama is doing. Causing an Entitlement EMPLOSION. There's not going to be enough money to keep Bloating Entitlements, These people pay ZERO taxes, if they do it's not much compared to what they take, so it matters NOT what Obama does now, it's going to FAIL..Ending in a huge massive Great Depression by Entitlement Emplosion #2!

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                                                                                                medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                I'm not old enough Mental Other Woman, to be throwing poop, I just finished 4 years in the US Navy overseas, and am now going to college with my earned money, and working too.
                                                                                                My Grandparents are some of the original Demogrant hippies that bailed on San Francisco to the Oregon mountains.
                                                                                                I have learned much from them, and many others they know.
                                                                                                I am taking my skills, my earned money, my savings that I denied myself amenities and luxuries, to save, save, save, pulled my money out when Obama started talking about 'Spreading the Wealth', just in time, and now have a nice bundle to begin on, self sustaining.
                                                                                                My own lan, timber, fish in my stream, grownds to grow, solar powered, self-defending, clean, water-filtration system ready!
                                                                                                And, I worked for it 'Mental Other'.

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                                                                                                  ice_fire1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                  i thought this stupid voting thing was already over my husband is over sea but he is coming home i 1 week but i have news that he might not suvive

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                                                                                                  medusax61 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                  The Socialism in Europe is NOW coming to an very hidious end!
                                                                                                  In France their enoumous Social System is calling for the Piper to be Paid!
                                                                                                  Watch France as they struggle to figure out what to do in the near future, because they paid people to sit, eat, get high and be worthless, for tax free nothing!

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                                                                                                    HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                    And in the USA capitalism is crying for the Piper to be Paid, but Frances problems are France's; USA's are the worlds.
                                                                                                    And while you are talking on how socialism is dying, it seems Russia is expanding
                                                                                                    Militarily as in Georgia and sending warships to Venezuela
                                                                                                    Lending $500 bill to Iceland as they are having economic woes; but what a nice possible base for Russian bombers or subs in the future.
                                                                                                    And don't forget China
                                                                                                    Man is the world ever shrinking.
                                                                                                    Reminds me of a "Risk" game , and you pile all your men on a country and hope your opponent doesn't roll 6's

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                                                                                                    Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                    McCain's campaign is losing.

                                                                                                    They're looking for gimmicks. The "cute" games they played at the debate last night were comical. McCain gets all feisty and says "I'm not Bush." It may have worked, only if it had been the truth.

                                                                                                    Catch phrases or one liners only work if they have an element of truth. McCain voted with that turd Bush 90% of the time.

                                                                                                    Also, they were looking for a Reagan "one liner," but the problem is he's not Reagan.

                                                                                                    Did anyone hear the comment about Nancy Reagan during the debate? Do you think that was a "Rove" tactic to put the "Reagan" name out, then follow it up with a bunch of "cute one-liners?" The Republicans have come up with all sorts of gimmicks- McCain running back to DC, Palin not answering media questions, brining up Reagan on the day of the debate.

                                                                                                    These Republicans are filthy.

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                                                                                                      HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                      And another of their arguments is that Obama has no experience, but ray-gun, a Hollywood actor was good enough to elect and now worship as some kind of demi-God.
                                                                                                      Now that is logic

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                                                                                                      ice_fire1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                      if anyone can please do something i miss him soo much i married him 10 years ago and i have a 4 year old daughter

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                                                                                                        krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                        My heart breaks for you ice_fire. I hope he stays strong and holds on for you. I just lost my grandma last week =(

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                                                                                                        tfc771 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                        Bless this country if Obama wins. It will be our demise and I'm a democrat!!!!

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                                                                                                          Om1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                          We will need a blessing no matter who wins. It's hard to imagine the angry and erratic man McCain and the outclassed Governor in a meeting with other world leaders. Obama clearly won all the debates. He looked and acted cool and Presidential, while McCain looked like the angry old man who lives in every neighborhood in America, but is outnumbered by compassionate, real Americans. The GOP is pulling out all their negative shenanigans in an effort to derail the inevitable. Even Joe the plumber is a hypocritical sham. I'm concerned that the Limbaughesque hatred of Democrats will continue long after the election. At least Rush may finally get off the Clintons and vent his thinly-veiled racism against the Obamas. Yes, you are right. We need divine guidance for wisdom, compassion, and moral leadership.

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                                                                                                            krystaleahs1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                            I personally don't understand democrats anymore. They are not what they used to stand for. JFK's famous quote of "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" doesn't resound anymore. When did it become the governments responsibility to control certain aspects of our lives such as healthcare, wealth, and education??

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                                                                                                              HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                              No system is perfect, theories are great till you add people.
                                                                                                              Your elected officials get a health care package paid for by tax payers; but it is socialism if it is extended to the tax payers
                                                                                                              I am a Canadian who has 3 children, oldest is 20
                                                                                                              As a Canadian with Gov health care, my premiums for health care for my kids just went up 2-3 years ago to $264 every 3 months and in the last 20 years it has covered 3 pregnancies,ultra sounds, all dental for my kids till they are 18 (longer in in university)whooping cough, measles, broken arms, stitches and any and every kind of calamity a family can have.
                                                                                                              Many Americans lament that to get specialized treatment we have to go to USA for treatment, while this is true in some cases it is because we do not have the large centers like you do, I bet the people of Alaska suffer the same thing.
                                                                                                              It is run by the Gov, which everyone knows is an inefficient way of doing anything, but it sure beats paying $5800/year as McC says you do, or $12,000/year as Obama says, plus you have stipulations on these plans, we don't.
                                                                                                              As for wealth, what was it, the CEO of Merrill lynch took home $310 mill in the last 5 years (his account, your gov. say$500 mill)and he gets tax breaks that middle class doesn't?
                                                                                                              And education, saw in a report not to long ago that 50% of graduating high schoolers in Detroit will fail and minorities were even higher, so iif this is true; YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

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                                                                                                            Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                            TFC77

                                                                                                            First, according to God he chooses who he wishes to bless.

                                                                                                            Maybe we would be blessed if we were'nt killing innocent people. Don't tell me the Iraqis being killed are terrorists. We never found Bin Laden. He's over in Pakistan.

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                                                                                                            sanderglas1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                            I think that the media is all Democratic parties . I think McCain did a great job Obama never explains how or what he is going to do it is like and dog and pony show. When you say your not going to raise taxes we all know that is a lie how will he do any thing he has set out to do if he dont increase taxes? Maybe with all the money he has spent on TV Adds he should have use that to help America . I just dont feel safe with him leading our country. So go McCain I am behind you all the way . I want no more years of a taller version Bill Clinton

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                                                                                                              tatafio1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                              Ha, in a period of grave economic crisis, it is disheartening that so much trivia is still being flung all over the place. McCain has agreed with George Bush 90 percent of the time. An old dog can't learn new tricks. America deserves to keep its number one position. But it won't be by doing the same things that got us into trouble. We need a breath of fresh air, fresh ideas, fresh worldview. Obama is the right man for the job. Long live America!

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                                                                                                                cleare1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                obama was the clear winner in every respect in all three debates. and that's not just me talking. i was mesmerized by the independent focus group ribbon on cnn and their responses and according to them, obama nailed it over and over and his positive responses were more sustained.

                                                                                                                he was cool and collected under fire, while mccain visibly became angrier and more agitated.

                                                                                                                i thought mccain's lamest comment was about obama's "attack" ads..."he attacked my health plan. He attacked my economic plan." right, obama attacked mccain's policies while mccain has been attacking obama personally, not his policies. why? because mccain knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on. he looked very unstable overall...an unstable, angry old man.

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                                                                                                                  sealneagle1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                  voting for obama is a vote for who the media thinks you should vote for

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                                                                                                                    HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                    Well someone has do do some thinking, or the mess that has happened under a Rep admin will get worse under another.

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                                                                                                                    cubie1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                    Obama to me is nothing more than a good speaker, I personally think he is legally and underhandingly buying votes, I think his contacts and friends is all been thru the years for,moving his self ahead I think he will go to scum to get his way,He's promising people things that are other peoples dreams, I don't have much, but I have morals, and I don't want other peoples money It's not mine to take! Mccain speaks from the heart, I'm scared of going toward a global economy, I truly beleive obama is worse than any can IMAGINE.

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                                                                                                                      hisgrace031 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                      McCain did better this debate, but he's such a jerk, his antics took from it. He's such a liar, and number of times Obama had to correct him distracted from his offering. And what was with the raising of the eyebrow thing, he looked so stupid doing that repeatedly. He still came across as a cynical, grumpy old man who has a difficult personality. Obama was cool, calm and collected..and just looked and sounded and behaved more presidential. Vote the intelligent choice, vote OBAMA!

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                                                                                                                        Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                        "senator government"

                                                                                                                        It must have took the "whole team" on the McCain campaign to think up this "slip."

                                                                                                                        It was no slip- a planned gimmick. It was just like Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction."

                                                                                                                        I'd rather have seen Jackson's boob then this boob McCain.

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                                                                                                                          CHAM1 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                          Vote. Asking this question reveals that you didn't watch it.

                                                                                                                          But since I'm a nice guy, let me assure you that McCain beat himself horribly. Obama is the winner - no contest.

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                                                                                                                            wmortiz18001 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                                                            Everyone is scared that Obama will be a bad choice, errr, how much worse can it get? Bush has totally f'd up this country, and your worried about the guy who's not in office yet? Blind repubs. McSame will only follow McBush in his footsteps,Do you really want 8 more years of the same ****? I don't, so stfu take a seat repubs.

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