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Posted By not2needy 1 year ago in Business & Finance"Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one.
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not2needy1 year ago
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Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain.
Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews.
Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.
The Yahoo article, that i couldn't get to post, said that Joe was very uncomfortable that his name kept coming up in the debate and that he wished there had been more talk about the economy and real issues.
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Goppy1 year ago
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My first reaction to 'Joe' when I saw him ask his question of Obama was that he was a plant ... his question was so specific to the edges of Obama's plan.
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Then, when McCain latched onto Joe the Plumber like a lamprey onto a shark ... and proceeded to bring him up TWENTY TWO times!!
LOL!!!
My wife and I thought McCain was going to burst a blood vessel in his brain the way he was huffing, puffing, and being just generally provocative.
Poor guy ... and to think I would have voted for him in 2000.
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mivan41 year ago
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For those who want a good understanding of what has happened watch these 2 links in their entirety. For further study use the pause button to slow things down
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Klarissa1 year ago
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"He doesn't need a license because he works under the common license held by the company. My father-in-law has such a company (plumbing company) and many of his employees do not have the license but are just as competent as ones that do and somethimes moreso. So your argument is failed on that respect." -
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tchef1 year ago
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Here are the facts on Joe's situation and how he would fare by Bloomberg.com
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAM ,INDEED:)) I NOTICED A FANCY CADILLAC OR CHEVROLET PARKED OUTSIDE THE GARAGE WHICH SEEMED LIKE ANOTHER CAR WAS INSIDE THE GARAGE,ALSO THE HOUSE WAS VERY LARGE. IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE JOE IS POOR AT ALL OR EVEN MIDDDLE CLASS! ANOTHER FALSE STEREOTYPE "MCPALIN STYLE" :))))))))) IN THE DESIGN CHANNEL THOSE HOUSES SOLD FOR 500,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
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ONE MORE MCPALIN RICH DONATOR? SO IT APPEARS. BUT MCCAIN PASSIONATELY HIS RATHER WEALTHY "FRIEND." IT FIGURES :))))))))))))))))) -
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Joe's problems (if he is real and not a plant) come from 30 years of "trickle up" to the super rich. He is better of than many american victims of the neo-liberal corruption started by Reagan.
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Nearly 30 percent of US families subsist on poverty wages
A report released Tuesday by the Working Poor Families Project
reveals that more than 28 percent of American families with one
or both parents employed are living in poverty.
The report, “Still Working Hard, Still Falling Short,” is based on data for the period from 2004 through 2006 gathered from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the US Census Bureau’s American Community Survey and the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey.
... In 2006 there were more than 29 million jobs in the US that paid below the official poverty level—defined as $9.91 an hour for full-time labor—an increase of nearly 5 million poverty-wage jobs from 2002.
...These families struggle under poverty conditions despite parents working long hours. According to the report, “Adults in low-income working families worked on average 2,552 hours per year in 2006, the equivalent of almost one-and-a-quarter full-time workers.”
This total is about one third of all the hours that pass in a year. It is nearly twice the total yearly work hours of the average German worker, who works 1,362 hours per week, and 162 hours more per year than the average South Korean worker, according to statistics from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
The report documents the sharp decline in living standards for wide layers of the working class, the result of decades of corporate downsizing and wage-cutting presided over by Democratic and well as Republican administrations. It shows that poverty-level jobs are increasingly common and are held by broad sections of the population. Contrary to certain stereotypes promoted by the media, the majority of families living on poverty wages are neither immigrants, minorities or families with a single parent.
...The other side of this process is the vast enrichment of the top 10 percent of the US population and the ever-greater concentration of wealth in the hands of the financial elite.
In 2005, the top 1 percent of US households accounted for 21.8 percent of all pre-tax income, twice the figure in 1970s. This represented the greatest concentration of income since the year before the onset of the Great Depression, 1928, when about 24 percent of national income went to the top percentile.
It should be noted that the “Still Working Hard, Still Falling Short” report reflects conditions that existed prior to the eruption of the financial crisis in August of 2007 and the subsequent slide into recession.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Explain to me liberals why the issue is who and what Joe is and not Obamas answer? That is the real question that liberals want to ignore. n2n as a Christian why do you support attacking Joe when he is not the issue.
This is a typical attack the person and not an answer the candidate gave. Answer the question about what Obama said and not what Joe is. Quit evading the issue. It is the socialist/communist concept of take from the rich and give to the poor. Take Obamas words and defend them. Or can you?
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Will13131 year ago
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jordan111 year ago
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http://blogs.marketwatch.com/election/2008/10/16/j...
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The poor guy. Just barely making it. A tax lien. People saying he's not certified to even be a plumber. I think we should all send Joe some money, get his life on track (it's hard being a single parent!) & then leave him alone.-
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not2needy1 year ago
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From the link you posted Jordan11,
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But the scrutiny around him also intensified — much to the plumber’s dismay, no doubt. Various news outlets are reporting that records indicate Wurzelbacher is not licensed as a plumber, and that he has a tax lien pending against him for $1,182.92.
Now since Mc is so againse taxes, wonder why he doesn't get it fixed for him. Joe can't be too smart. If he were, he would figure out that the tax lien he has on him is the result of a failed republican administration, and the most he made was 40,000!
Libbies trying to give him a break, and all he can say is, people shouldn't be penalized for hard work! Give me a break, those billionaires that are reaping the rewards probably have never worked a real day in their lives. -
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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We already know too much about "Joe the Plumber".
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If the dude wants to vote for John McCain, that is cool.
I sure am glad they weren't talking about Richard the carpenter.
He was misrepresented, dudes that work with their tools do not make $250 G.
It makes me sad to see this guy dragged through the mud.
I have worked with my tools for more than 30 years, I did not go to trade school, And I am only licensed in a tiny township where my shop is.
I have owed way more in back taxes.
Should I be smug that I earn way more than double he does?
No! my smile is missing front teeth, and I have been lucky enough not to have gotten seriously hurt on the job.
A person will vote in the hope of getting a fair shake, and look to the cleanest path to claw their way out of dept
I am about 20 years older than Joe, but have a lot in common with him.
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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POOR JOE. LIVING IN A BIG FANCY HOME. OWNING (IT SEEMS) TWO CARS AND LOOKING WELL FED AND HEALTHY.
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PLAY AWAY YOUR EVANGELIST PAIN VIOLIN STUFFED WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
FROM WORKING ILLEGALLY. REAL TOUCHING.
FOR THE TRUTH GO TO GHETTOS AND SEE MEN LIVING IN TRASH BINS. CRY FOR OLD VETERANS SLEEPING IN THE STREETS ON COLD WINTER NIGHTS. THOSE ARE THE REAL POOR JOES.
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sumptuousdigs1 year ago
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"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday.
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Really? ... Not in my wildest, or wettest dreams did I ever think being your under achieving, over exposed, phony, would be realizing the American Dream. His life must be taxing, for sure, but give me a break, Mr. Joe Blow from Oh High Oh...you sound like you have a nice built in defense for your future failures.
Lol! How about trying this line out? "I was ruined by cheap labor...My own!"
I think it's more fitting. By the way, check your mail, McCain ought to be sending you a check...any day now.-
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not2needy1 year ago
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JEBUS081 year ago
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when it comes to the iraq war - joe is probably one of those guys that claims freedom isnt free. but the instant they have to pay for anything they b@tch and moan - those people need to start using their own advice FREEDOM ISNT FREE
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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JOE, OR SAM IS NO VICTIM. HE APPEARS SMILING AND POSING FOR THE CAMERAS. HIS SUDDEN NOTORIETY MAY BRING HIM A REAL JOB AND CONTRACTS. HE IS NOW THE POSTER BOY FOR THE POLITICAL RIGHT. HE WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TURN INTO A MINOR CELEBRITY. HE WILL GET PAID THOUSANDS FOR THOSE APPEARANCES.'
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IT IS NAIVE TO VICTIMIZE HIM. HE IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO SEEM "FOLKSY" LIKE SARAH PALIN. HOW MANY MORE STEREOTYPES WILL MCCAIN USE? PRETTY BORING :))))))))
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BigBadJohn6661 year ago
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Why do you make such an asinine statement. There are thousands of real plumbers that don't have a license. They don't need one if they are working for a licensed plumber. If all plumbers were licensed, they would be in business for themselves and this wouldn't work because they wouldn't be able to find any help. It's like saying a cook at a famous restaurant is not a real cook because he doesn't have a business/restaurant license.
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sumptuousdigs1 year ago
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That shaved pate does remind me of a rather high profile lowlife plumber from the past, who had a particular party association. Give him a mustache and he could be the famous international man of mystery G Gordon Liddy. Or drop a hundred pounds, add a gabardine suit and some wire rimmed spectacles, and voila, Walter Mitty.
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Okay, okay, I'm getting carried away with this little bit of fun, but hey! The public spotlight wasn't thrown on him by Barak. Let McCain make the apology for his 15 minutes of fame, and all that it entails.
If McC had contacted Mr. Wurzelbacher, and Joe gave him the green light to use him, then 'Joe the "plumber"' should probably tender his apology. Either way, I'm just tickled.-
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Tcaros1 year ago
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The plumbing industry has a high rate of acloholism. The reason- they can work hours by appointment in the afternoon. Also, they aren't rigorous on licensing- if you can swing a wrench you can find a plumbing job. I've have no problems with plumbers, but they aren't the shiniest rocks if you know what I mean..
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I was sitting at a town hall meeting where Obama answered questions. This one obese lady with a bright yellow outfit sat right in the middle. When it came time to pick people out- he picked her.
It would be interesting to know if they spend time "grooming a questioner" so that they can provide the "soundbite" they want.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
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This shows the kind of morons that think like the neocon base. Duhhhhhhhh !!!!!! Obamas plan would help me ?????? Oh well, I don't care because I like making the wealthy more wealthy while I struggle by.
I'm thinking of buying the business even though i'm not a licensed contractor, that way I can reap all the rewards of being an idiot.
This guy is a moron and a sad case of not knowing what is good for you. I hope he is thouroughly embarrassed and made to look like complete dufus he acted like.
Then maybe he will start to understand that taxes based on income should be higher for those who receive the greatest benefit from this country. Take away the tax breaks for the extremely well off.
Allow some of the smaller businesses to compete and get a foot hold.
Yep, this guy is the kind of guy who shoots hiimself in the foot, then wonders why he can't keep up. LOL
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Eagle_Eye1 year ago
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IMHO, John McCain seems to think that the "Average American", aka "Middle America" is making more than $250,000 per year, that is how really out of touch they are.
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My husband is a school teacher and far from even coming close to $100k a year.
I don't think McCain has a clue since he never had to work a day in his life at a real job making honest money. He has lived off the taxpayers back his entire life.-
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not2needy1 year ago
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Well, he said that he didn't consider you wealthy unless you were making 5 million a year, so there you go EE..
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And you're right, he's lived off tax payers, bribes and illegal money ever since he came back from Nam, before that i guess Daddy took care of him, or his model wife, much like W. -
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FSU92grad1 year ago
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McCain hasn't had to work a day in his life ?
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ROTFLMAO !!!
Oh, and Osama has ? LOL !!! Pluh-EAZZE !!!
READ MY LIPS ! Tax cuts for EVERYONE ! Not just 95%, which when you really look at the numbers it's actually only 70-80% ....
Now, I'm no Harvard grad, but EVERYONE versus 80%, seems a LOT better....
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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AGREE, I USED TO WATCH CHANNEL 53, A HOME REMODELING AND SALES PROGRAM. REAL FANCY AND BIG HOUSES COST MORE THAN 100,000 DOLLARS AND WERE FROM250 TO A MILLION OR TWO M. BUCKS. IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE I STOPPED WATCHING.
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HOMES LIKE PALIN COST UP TO TWO MILLIONS.IT IS TRUE AFTER THE HURRICANES AND REMODELING TREND OLD COUPLES WHO HAD BOUGHT AT CHEAPER PRICES BACK DECADES AGO SOLD FOR MUCH MORE THAN THEY ORIGINALLY PAID.
SO THEMODERN EXAGGERATED HOUSING BOOM ATTRACTED OPPORTUNISTS WHO MADE QUICK FORTUNES, BUT LED THE HOUSING MARKET TO EXPLODE AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR PRESENT CRISIS.
YEARS AGO, A WRITER PUBLISHED A BOOK TITLED: THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS IS PEDDDLING (OR WORKING) VERY HARD BUT GOING NOWHERE." YES, LIKE A STATIONARY BIKE THAT TAKES ONE NOWHERE, NO MATTER HOW HARD A RIDER PEDDLES. :(
NO WONDER JOE, OR SAM? WORKS REPAIRING HOMES :))))))))))))
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GehlLady1 year ago
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The man was playing football with his son in his yard when Obama stopped in his neighborhood. Are you folks suggesting he asked for this? He talked about buying a business, not a paycheck that made him 250K. Making the childish rude comments both sides make about the other candidate is bad enough, but to trash a man OBAMA thought would make a good campaign moment out of should be out of bounds. Shame on you.
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sumptuousdigs1 year ago
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Wrong, lady. Obama was on the stump. Conversation over. McCain took the footage and ran with it. Feel free to suggest what ever you like. I do. But do get your facts straight. Remedial reading and ESL courses are available online. Have a pleasant day.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
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Boo Hoo Hoo !!!!! Come on your guys got caught playing the idiots they are and you want to spin it !!!!!!
I'm not sorry the guy made a fool of himself !!!!! He did it to himself !!!!!
If one is not wise enough to keep ones mouth closed when it benefits one to do so. Well, that is fair game.
I seem to remember people poking fun at Joe Biden for telling a politician to stand up when he was in a wheel chair. Joe didn't know the man was in the chair or he wouldn't have said it.
But hey you shameless neocons took shots at him for that. This guy knew he wasn't a licensed plumber and still had the gall to act as if he were the potential small business man who was going to get hurt by it.
The player got played !!!!!!!!! And you don't like it !!!!!!!!! LMAO hahahahahahaaaahahaaa
Get real, you are trying to act as if you business owners have it really hard when the tax position is tilted in your favor.
Yes I know I know about the workmans comp insurance payments you have to make, hmmmm, if I remember right that comes off the bottom line as an expense, just as salaries, taxes, fuel and equipment purchased and used in the business operation.
I kept books for a few years, Did Profit and Loss Statements, etc. etc. etc.
There are many ways that businesses profit by the tax code.
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BronxBomber1 year ago
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I really think "Joe the Plumber" is "Stone Cold" Steve Austin:
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sumptuousdigs1 year ago
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Jeez....Bronxy, do you think he does some modeling on the side?
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Careful dude...I just got scolded for "childish remarks" by a small business owner.
And I hadn't even gotten to the potty humor yet.
This story just reeks of it. Can we call McCain "McCAN" now?
The whole affair has gone into the sh!tter for McCan!
Is Joe Sixpack guzzling liquid plumber?
Is a pipefitter a promotion, or demotion?
Will this story SINK McCan?
If I affix a trigger and butt stock to a 'plumber's helper, will I have a 'crap shooter'?
Has he met his water LOO?
Gonna quit for now, I'm feeling a little FLUSHED!
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Spadecaller1 year ago
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Joe the Plumber has associations with the son of one of the Watergate burglars. (just kidding.)
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Joe's a phony. He does not even make the money that gave McCain the opportunity to use him as an example to promote his discriminatory tax plan.
The fool does not care about taxes, because he does not pay them. He refuses to pay taxes and has opted out of enrolling for Social Security benefits as his legal defense against paying for taxes.-
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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I ENDORSE SENATOR OBAMA. JUST CURIOUS: HOW COME JOE HAS NOT BEEN JAILED?
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IF HE LIVED IN A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE POLICE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT LONG AGO? THIS IS A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. :( NOT EVEN MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS WOULD ESCAPE THE I.R.S.,UNLESS THEY COULD AFFORD THOUSANDS OF LAWYER FEES.
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Tcaros1 year ago
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I thought it was ironic that McCain was embracing this plumber who Obama was nice enough to attempt to answer his question out of the crowd.
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Obama reached out to answer the question, not McCain. McCain eagerly jumped on the bandwagon. Then he took some conversational words and tried to help his own campaign.
McCain looked silly. Most people watched as he "grimaced" uncomfortably since he knew he was being unfair with taking the words out of context.
Maybe when McCain goes back to Arizona he'll think about the things he's done this year that don't reflect a patriot or a honest man.-
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not2needy1 year ago
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McCain wsa downright rude and at times during the debate, almost denying Obama the right to complete a sentence before interrupting him. I find that very offensive. I know a woman who does that too, she's a republican also, and i avoid her like the plague because of her rude behavior.
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rossb11 year ago
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Joe works for a residential plumbing contractor who is liscensed. In ohio, residential plumbing contractors are the only ones who need a plumbing liscense. Their workers do not need to be liscensed.
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FOr commercial contractors, all of the workers need to be liscensed plumbers
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ETproductions1 year ago
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You forgot to mention that the firm he works for makes far less than $250,000 per year, isn't for sale, and even if it was, Joe has no hope of buying it. Maybe that's because he keeps voting for Republicans who funnel his income off to prop up the wealthiest Americans.
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Not only is Joe not a plumber. He's a right wing-nut radio hack who was obviously sent into the Obama rally as a Karl Rove plant. The fact that he was totally unvetted is testimony to McCain's lousy management style. George W. Bush's campaign would have vetted the guy before using him as political fodder. So in that respect, McSame is right. He's not G. W, Bush. As a manager, he is even worse!
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Look, I am a small business owner. I have been since 1985. So I know a thing or two about small business. With start-up credits, most small businesses in the USA pay Zero taxes in the first 5 years. The top business tax rate in the USA is 35% same as the personal top rate right now. But there are a ton of big businesses that don't pay ANY taxes. There are a ton of loopholes for selected businesses (read ones wealthy enough to hire top lobbyists).
A small business doesn't "make" $250,000 if it has sales of a $250,000. Earnings are calculated on profits after all costs are deducted, not sales. So to "earn" $250,000 the typical small business needs sales of $2,500,000 or more.
If a business is doing that well, it has the option of incorporating and paying the corporate tax rate or staying sole proprietor and paying the personal tax rate. So if Joe the Plumber bought a business and earned over 2.5 Million Dollars, he could file as a corporation under the 35% or less rate instead of Obama's proposed 39% rate for high earning individuals.
But the truth is Joe isn't a plumber. He earns about $40,000 per year. He's not about to buy any business. And he's a right wing-nut local talk show hack voting against the guy who is actually running to give a tax cut to HIM and the real plumbers out there. Plumbers earn a taxable income on average of $47,000 per year.
McCain's entire plan is to cut taxes more for the rich and accelerate the Regean/Bush transfer of wealth from the middle class to the ultra wealthy. His tax on health care benefits amounts to a tax increase on most middle class workers. He wants to do this even though the collapse of middle class earnings has brought the economy to the brink of depression, hurting even the wealthy like the McCains. If the middle class has no money and no jobs, no businesses do well, mine included. And that's why I support Parack Obama for President.-
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Georgia501 year ago
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Tragically, there's nothing about Joe the plumber you can say that diminishes the Marxist crap that came rolling out of Obama's mouth.
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You want to. You even think it's possible. And the reaction across America is such that you feel you must.
But you can't. And that's that.
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not2needy1 year ago
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OMG, check this out! You won't believe it!
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http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-...
Joe the Plumber is related to Charles Keating!!!!-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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How surreal. Joe is a close relative of McCain's ex-con buddy and contributor, Charles Keating. And McCain wants to play guilt by association by drawing an incredibly tenuous link to a university professor who did something bad 40 years ago?
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Albmore1 year ago
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I cannot believe how I sit and watch America fall to its ruin. We are about to elect a president with NO experience that voted present more than he made a decission on anything in the senate. A senitor that wants to raise taxes as we head toward recession or depression. At a time when we see our jobs headed overseaes he wants to raise taxes on companies which give them more reason to send more jobs out of the country. A senitor with corruption ties, a senitor that in the middle of banking corruption was one of the top recievers in donations from those banks. (think there will be any investigation or any thing done to those who threw your money away? ) A senitor who will said he will take public financing for his campaign and then did not. A senitor who has promised everything but has NO plan on paying for it. A senitor who will reduce our military when countries like Russia are becomming more agressive. America has become bling bling, following a media star and not looking at all at the facts. WHY? because its in? To protest BUSH? The fall will be hard, and all will fall. Americas days are numbered unless they wake up before election day.
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sumptuousdigs1 year ago
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...and that's one of the reasons I'm voting for Barak! Let's stop and reverse the course the neo-Nazi steam roller has been on the better part of the last decade.
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You know, I couldn't have said it better myself. :)
God bless America!
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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If you have to explain to a liberal that "Joe the plumber" is not about Joe the plumber, then there's not much point saying anything else.
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The whole story is a lie. The business joe works for is not for sale. Even if it was, Joe couldn't buy it. Furthermore the business doesn't make 250,000 dollar a year. So explain how Barack's plan is going to stop Joe from buying a business that is not for sale?
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LADYSMITH1 year ago
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They say the truth hurts. In Barack Obama's case, it is simply devastating.
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Not surprisingly the Big Media have kept the American public blind to the truth about Obama, including...
* The fact that a corrupt Chicago Machine politician "made a U.S. senator" out of Barack Obama
* How Barack Obama won his first election by having his lawyers knock all his opponents off the ballot on technicalities
* Obama's support for a grotesque "infanticide" law that was too extreme even for Nancy Pelosi
* The Tony Rezko connection: "I've never done any favors for him," says Obama about convicted developer Tony Rezko. Oh, but he has...
We at HUMAN EVENTS are set to embark on a massive truth-telling mission to unmask the real Barack Obama. And just like in 2004 when concerned Americans exploded John Kerry's presidential aspirations by helping the Swift Boat Veterans get out the truth about him. . .
We're going to stop the Obama campaign juggernaut dead in its tracks!
Just wait until Americans read the special editorial supplement produced (together with our sister company, RedState.com) by our HUMAN EVENTS team called "The Truth about Obama: What Every Citizen Needs to Know".
You see, while the Obama campaign is dying to keep the skeletons in Obama's closet hidden for just three more months, we plan to tell the truth to the American public before November.
Best Regards,
Tom Winter
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"Just wait until Americans read the special editorial supplement produced (together with our sister company, RedState.com) by our HUMAN EVENTS team called "The Truth about Obama: What Every Citizen Needs to Know"."
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Just wait for more filth and lies to pour out of their usual source: the GOP.
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