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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 2 months ago in Business & Finance"Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain.
Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews.
Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.
The Yahoo article, that i couldn't get to post, said that Joe was very uncomfortable that his name kept coming up in the debate and that he wished there had been more talk about the economy and real issues.
There you go McCain, your buddy Joe the Plumber just threw you under the bus! LOL-
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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My first reaction to 'Joe' when I saw him ask his question of Obama was that he was a plant ... his question was so specific to the edges of Obama's plan.
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Then, when McCain latched onto Joe the Plumber like a lamprey onto a shark ... and proceeded to bring him up TWENTY TWO times!!
LOL!!!
My wife and I thought McCain was going to burst a blood vessel in his brain the way he was huffing, puffing, and being just generally provocative.
Poor guy ... and to think I would have voted for him in 2000.
But Man Alive ... has he changed. What an erratic Flip-Flopper.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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not2needy, years ago I used to catch myself starting to feel sorry for W. That hapless helpless, befuddled, bewildered expression, and his apparent inability to express his thoughts coherently. I no longer have those twinges. My pity is for the country. Like Tiny Tim said as Scrooge sat down to supper with the Cratchits,
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DeauxNut1 year, 2 months ago
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If you've ever studied body language, one is laughing when put on the spot or the defensive. Laughing translates to a feeling of insecurity and not having the courage of your convictions. This fits Obama to a T. McCain's body language says he's angry, very angry and also fidgets when on the spot as well. But if I have to rely on either one "in a spot" I'd much rather have the experience and military background of McCain to rely on.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Well to me, first of all being in control of 4 planes that were wrecked and being shot down in a 5th, being a POW for a number of years is not any kind of experience that would help in making decisions about ground wars, or a naval battle, or in politics for that matter.
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He is not JFK and the PT-109.
What he has gone through is commendable and honourable, but means little in reality.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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McCain won't win.
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He is a good man, but he had way too many losers supporting him.
But if Obama loses, we won't cry.
This is a battle; not the war; win or lose we keep on going, -
until our country is freed of the malicious, tin flag-pin patriots and
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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As I said on another post there skippy, only the smart and tough would come to Canada as wusses like you couldn't handle it.
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I can just see the frozen tears on your face if you were up here in Jan, hell we might have to stop our hockey game to save you from frostbite.
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DeauxNut1 year, 2 months ago
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It was 26 times - 21 McCain and 5 Obama. 'course that was CNN's figures, I didn't personally make the count.
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McCain used "Joe The Plumber" as representing all American middle class working class individuals, not just the Joe himself that we saw-
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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NO EXCUSES AND NO PRETEXTS CAN HIDE MCCAIN LIED TO MILLIONS OF US, THE PEOPLE. GEE, IS THAT WHAT HIS YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE CAN DO? BLATANT POLITICAL CYNISIM? IS MCBUSH AWARE OF HOW HE HAS DIVIDED AND ANTAGONIZED AMERICANS? NONE OF HIS MALICIOUS REMARKS AT THE DINNER MADE ME LAUGH.
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IS A FALSE ICON ALL MCCAIN CAN FIND? TSK, TSK, TSK , OH, BOY, THIS MCCAN'T SEEMS WOULD SELL US ALL IN ORDER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY. -
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lfergie8121 year, 2 months ago
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"DeauxNut"
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McCain used "Joe The Plumber" as representing all American middle class working class individuals, not just the Joe himself that we saw"
McCain tried to use Joe the plumber as a typical example of a small businessman that would be harmed by Obama's tax plan but the idiots didn't check to see that he was a typical Republican that lied about his situation. In other words he's a typical Republican liar.-
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Lurch1 year, 2 months ago
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I have a hard time giving much credence to anyone who lies about their situation to beyatch at a candidate while not even being licensed to do the job for which one is complaining about.
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Oh, and Joe, pay yer taxes for crying out loud. The rest of us do.
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe the plumber is the problem here? It's OBAMA'S ANSWER THAT WAS TROUBLING. Spread the wealth around, is kind of like socialism is it not? It seems there are many that are racing toward Obama and his socialist C-H-A-N-G-E we can believe in? Raila Odinga gave Kenya change but I think they are probably wishing they could have had an alternative candidate. Listen to Obama's speeches, they echo O-D-I-N-D-G-A.
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually Red the problem is a rigged system that guarantees that american wealth ends up in the hands of the super-rich. That has been the problem ever since Reagan started with voodoo economics. Already with Reagan 40% of americans lost their savings and became net debtors.
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The "idea" of trickle down was that the super-rich would be so clever in investing american wealth that something would be left over for the rest. Wrong. Already Reagan made america a net debtor to the world and Bush has now achieved that we pay more out to foreigners that we earn from international investments. Meantime, the situation of jobs, wages and savings of all but the super-rich have deteriorated steadily. We need to jettison the whole failure of voodoo economics and the idea the super-rich know how to invest productively - it is now a 30 year failure.
As for Odinga, you are aware that rampant corruption by a rich elite (shades of America) was the cause of the eruption of violence?
Why do you keep on chanting slogans that make most Americans poorer Red? Are you that easy to fleece or are you on the gravy train?
The free market preachers have long practised state welfare for the rich
According to Senator Jim Bunning, the proposal to purchase $700bn of dodgy debt by the US government was "financial socialism, it is un-American". The economics professor Nouriel Roubini called George Bush, Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke "a troika of Bolsheviks who turned the USA into the United Socialist State Republic of America". Bill Perkins, the venture capitalist who took out an ad in the New York Times attacking the plan, called it "trickle-down communism".
They are wrong. Any subsidies eventually given to the monster banks of Wall Street will be as American as apple pie and obesity. The sums demanded may be unprecedented, but there is nothing new about the principle: corporate welfare is a consistent feature of advanced capitalism. Only one thing has changed: Congress has been forced to confront its contradictions.-
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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One of the best studies of corporate welfare in the US is published by my old enemies at the Cato Institute. Its report, by Stephen Slivinski, estimates that in 2006 the federal government spent $92bn subsidising business...
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... But the Cato Institute's report has exposed only part of the corporate welfare scandal. A new paper by the US Institute for Policy Studies shows that, through a series of cunning tax and accounting loopholes, the US spends $20bn a year subsidising executive pay...
... Another report, by a group called Good Jobs First, reveals that Wal-Mart has received at least $1bn of public money.... Sometimes state governments give the firm straight cash as well: in Virginia, for example, Wal-Mart's distribution centres receive handouts from the Governor's Opportunity Fund.
... Corporate welfare is arguably the core business of some government departments. Many of the Pentagon's programmes deliver benefits only to its contractors. Ballistic missile defence, for example, which has no obvious strategic purpose and is unlikely ever to work, has already cost the US between $120bn and $150bn...
...There is not and has never been a free market in the US. Why not? Because the congressmen and women now railing against financial socialism depend for their re-election on the companies they subsidise. The legal bribes paid by these businesses deliver two short-term benefits for them. The first is that they prevent proper regulation, allowing them to make spectacular profits and to generate disasters of the kind Congress is now confronting. The second is that public money that should be used to help the poorest is instead diverted into the pockets of the rich.
....A report published last week by the advocacy group Common Cause shows how bankers and brokers stopped legislators banning unsustainable lending. Over the past financial year, the big banks spent $49m on lobbying and $7m in direct campaign contributions. ..
.... Taxpayers everywhere should be asking the same question: why the hell should we be supporting them?
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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hyperbola I work for every penny I have, hard work, no gravy train here. I paddle the middle class boat just like most.
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Obama is one of the 'rich elitists' you guys seem to be angry with. Well, I am angry too. I am fuming over the so called Bail out, mad at Bush for not finding a way to get the word out to the American people that we are IN TROUBLE. I am very disturbed that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Chris Cox are not being questioned and that there is not some kind of 'rapid' investigation going on right now.
Frankly this 'crisis' you must admit couldn't have happened at a better time for the democrats. Do NOT think I give the Republicans a pass I DO NOT.
If I had my way and I had the power I'd fire all of them and start over. There are maybe 5 that I feel are worthy having another chance.
I do not dislike Mr. Obama as a person, it is his policies and his disturbing associations I dislike very much.
Do I can if Joe the Plumber has a licenses nope, I don't. Do I care if Ayers and Obama promote radical activism to promote socialism and teach it in public schools to YOUR CHILDREN. YOU BET I DO.
That's why Bill Ayers MATTERS!
http://www.newsmax.com/reagan/bill_ayers_obama/200...-
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lfergie8121 year, 2 months ago
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You should be for Obama because he worked his way to where he is now by hard work and intelligence. McCain on the other hand had an Admiral father and grandfather help him into the Naval Academy where he partied all through it them when he had to fly combat planes he crashed 5 of them before being captured. Got out of POW camp and left his disfigured wife for a rich trophy wife with her influential family and the rest is history.
"I do not dislike Mr. Obama as a person, it is his policies and his disturbing associations I dislike very much. "
Consider the source of the information and who won't let it die. Obama has explained Ayers a hell of a lot better than McCain has explained his association with C Gordon Liddy and his involvement with members of the Iran Contra scandal.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/ .
Just for a matter of record, that web site is a conservative rag. In other words--anti-liberal-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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You don't seem to understand what was said. It is his views and previous actions that give a lot of us heartburn. Why do you try to change the subject away from who and what Obama stands for and to who Joe is or that Obama earned his money. We look at how he earned he earned his money. As a lawyer he trained ACORN staff, went to court for ACORN to try and force Citibank to give bad CRA loans, with Bill Ayres he gave ACORN and radical education groups millions of dollars.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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NOT AT ALL, YOUR CHRIST URGED "SPREADING THE WEALTH" AND HELPING THE POOR.
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HE ALSO SAID THAT IT WAS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO BE ADMITTED TO HEAVEN.
WOULD YOU CAL JESUS A "SOCIALIST?" ACTUALLY IT SEEMS HE WAS THE FIRST SOCIALIST:)
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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I AGREE MR. MCCAIN HAS CHANGED SO MUCH! I USED TO ADMIRE HIM TOO. I WONDER WHAT MEDICINES HE HAS TAKEN. LIFE IS VERY STRANGE. STILL VOTING FOR HIM OUT OF PITY IS BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY AND ECONOMY.
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ACTUALLY, LETTING GO OF MCCAIN WOULD GIVE HIM A MUCH NEEDED VACATION AND REST. THE SENATE NEEDS PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH SENATOR OBAMA. RATHER ELECTING MCCAIN IS TOO ENERGY CONSUMING AND ACCELERATING HIS DEATH.
HE MAY LOOK FORCEFUL ON TV, BUT AT WHAT PRICE? SO HE COLLAPSES AFTER NOVEMBER FOURTH?
EVANGELISTS: IT IS MATTER OF COMPASSION AND EMPHATY TO YOUR CANDIDATE, NOT DERAILING THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN. PUT AWAY YOUR NEGATIVE FEELINGS, FOCUS ON FIXING THE US ECONOMY. DO NOT VOTE ON NOV.4TH.
RELIGION IS ABOUT HELPING THE NEEDY, NOT INTERFERING WITH OUR CONSTITUTION SEPARATION OF STATE POWERS. MUCH LESS POLITICAL ACTIVISM. FALWELL, FARRAKHAN, JACKSON WERE VERY WRONG.
RELIGIOUS DOGMA IS ANATHEMA TO ORDERLY REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY.
YOUR JESUS SAID IT: GIVE TO CESAR WHAT BELONGS TO CESAR (TAXES) AND TO GOD WHAT BELONGS TO GOD. THAT MEANT: STAY AWAY FROM POLITICS.-
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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Since 1964 the United States Governments (Federal and State) have transferred over five trillion dollars from the middle class and the rich to the poor. Are the poor better off today or have they become more enslaved and dependent on government?
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How much is five trillion dollars? A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars. A trillion dollars is one thousand billion dollars, thus five trillion dollars is five thousand billion dollars. That amount is inconceivable to the human mind. That is how much government has taken from the middle and rich class and transferred it to the poor. This money did not cost the poor anything. They did not have to earn it. It was given them.
This scenario described is why so many are up in arms about the subject of welfare. There are still over three million Americans on the welfare rolls. Some are being helped by it and learning to stand on their own feet someday. This is the goal. Others have become enslaved by it and are dependent on it. Some are second, third and even fourth generation dependents on welfare. There are special cases where some are worthy of help and compassion such as the disabled veteran, other disabled, orphans, handicapped, retarded and other extraordinary cases. These can be helped when there is no one else to help them.
The average middle class worker today works till the middle of May each year for the government. Everything they earn from January till about the middle of May is taxed and taken by the government in some form. These hard working people are feeling slighted that some of their money is given to some poor people who have not earned it and do not deserve it. Needless to say, welfare is a very volatile subject and our goal again is to find out what the Bible says.
I think we pay enough taxes, Obama doesn't. We all pay enough.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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NOT BAD AT ALL, THANKS :)))) DO YOU KNOW MCAIN OFFERED TO BOY ALL UNPAID HOUSING MORTGAGES? ASSUMING A MEDIUM NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 500,000 DOLLARS, MULTIPLIED BY THE ENTIRE AMERICAN ADULT POPULATION (A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS AND YOUNG COUPLES), WOULD COST:
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250,000,000,000 (TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND TRILLION DOLLARS)
THE ACTUAL TOTAL WOULD RAISE IF NEWCOMERS AND YOUNGSTERS BUY HOMES.
WHERE ARE MCPALIN GOING TO GET THE QUATRILLION DOLLARS? TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH AND MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING CLASS TAX INCREASES? DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. NO WONDER THE ECONOMISTS BOARD ENDORSED OBAMA :))))))))))))
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mivan41 year, 2 months ago
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For those who want a good understanding of what has happened watch these 2 links in their entirety. For further study use the pause button to slow things down
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io=iv_id=e...-
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GLee1 year, 2 months ago
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MIVAN4,
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I have seen these and read the act put in by Carter in it's entirety and later propped up by Bill Clinton. Problem is, people don't want to seek the truth. These 'people' have had thier vision blurred by all of the BS.
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djn3nunez31 year, 2 months ago
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That dasterdly Carter. The Bushes love to blame him for everything. It's like there is a feud between them going on or something......
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key twilight zone music
http://moderate.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/obama-brz...
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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"He doesn't need a license because he works under the common license held by the company. My father-in-law has such a company (plumbing company) and many of his employees do not have the license but are just as competent as ones that do and somethimes moreso. So your argument is failed on that respect."-
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earthlingerer1 year, 2 months ago
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You're right....
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He's Joe the "Plumbers helper". Well, not even...
In all reality, since your father-in-law runs such a company, can you tell me why there are so many journeymen and master plumbers licensed by the time they are 22 years old?
What does this tell us about Joe, who doesn't even have an APPRENTICE license? Is he too stupid? His boss won't sign his papers? Why? What is Joe's real issue? Can he read?
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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TO KLARISSA: WELL, IF SO, YOUR DAD IS IN LEGAL TROUBLE BECAUSE HE IS NOT COMPLYING WITH COUNTY LAWS. UNLESS HE MADE SWEET DEALS AT THE COUNTY PRIVATE GOLF CLUB :) DID HE? IF SO, THE WHOLE THING IS CORRUPT. MANY OF HIS "PLUMBERS" PROBABLY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS. ?????????
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Lurch1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe the unlicensed says he cannot take over the company because taxes are too high. He does not even have a license yet so how the heck does he think he`s going to take the company over.
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Typical Republican, out of touch and blames others for the problems he created.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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Here are the facts on Joe's situation and how he would fare by Bloomberg.com
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAM ,INDEED:)) I NOTICED A FANCY CADILLAC OR CHEVROLET PARKED OUTSIDE THE GARAGE WHICH SEEMED LIKE ANOTHER CAR WAS INSIDE THE GARAGE,ALSO THE HOUSE WAS VERY LARGE. IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE JOE IS POOR AT ALL OR EVEN MIDDDLE CLASS! ANOTHER FALSE STEREOTYPE "MCPALIN STYLE" :))))))))) IN THE DESIGN CHANNEL THOSE HOUSES SOLD FOR 500,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
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ONE MORE MCPALIN RICH DONATOR? SO IT APPEARS. BUT MCCAIN PASSIONATELY HIS RATHER WEALTHY "FRIEND." IT FIGURES :))))))))))))))))) -
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe's problems (if he is real and not a plant) come from 30 years of "trickle up" to the super rich. He is better of than many american victims of the neo-liberal corruption started by Reagan.
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Nearly 30 percent of US families subsist on poverty wages
A report released Tuesday by the Working Poor Families Project
reveals that more than 28 percent of American families with one
or both parents employed are living in poverty.
The report, “Still Working Hard, Still Falling Short,” is based on data for the period from 2004 through 2006 gathered from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the US Census Bureau’s American Community Survey and the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey.
... In 2006 there were more than 29 million jobs in the US that paid below the official poverty level—defined as $9.91 an hour for full-time labor—an increase of nearly 5 million poverty-wage jobs from 2002.
...These families struggle under poverty conditions despite parents working long hours. According to the report, “Adults in low-income working families worked on average 2,552 hours per year in 2006, the equivalent of almost one-and-a-quarter full-time workers.”
This total is about one third of all the hours that pass in a year. It is nearly twice the total yearly work hours of the average German worker, who works 1,362 hours per week, and 162 hours more per year than the average South Korean worker, according to statistics from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
The report documents the sharp decline in living standards for wide layers of the working class, the result of decades of corporate downsizing and wage-cutting presided over by Democratic and well as Republican administrations. It shows that poverty-level jobs are increasingly common and are held by broad sections of the population. Contrary to certain stereotypes promoted by the media, the majority of families living on poverty wages are neither immigrants, minorities or families with a single parent.
...The other side of this process is the vast enrichment of the top 10 percent of the US population and the ever-greater concentration of wealth in the hands of the financial elite.
In 2005, the top 1 percent of US households accounted for 21.8 percent of all pre-tax income, twice the figure in 1970s. This represented the greatest concentration of income since the year before the onset of the Great Depression, 1928, when about 24 percent of national income went to the top percentile.
It should be noted that the “Still Working Hard, Still Falling Short” report reflects conditions that existed prior to the eruption of the financial crisis in August of 2007 and the subsequent slide into recession.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Explain to me liberals why the issue is who and what Joe is and not Obamas answer? That is the real question that liberals want to ignore. n2n as a Christian why do you support attacking Joe when he is not the issue.
This is a typical attack the person and not an answer the candidate gave. Answer the question about what Obama said and not what Joe is. Quit evading the issue. It is the socialist/communist concept of take from the rich and give to the poor. Take Obamas words and defend them. Or can you?
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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dandt, you are so desperate to see a woman in either the presidency or VP that you would accept anyone. I remember how adamant that you were about Hillary, now about Sarah Palin. I am a woman too, and all for women getting the credit we deserve, but not at the expense of the whole country! Sarah Palin isn't intelligent enough to wash Hillary Clinton's dishes, let alone lead this country if something happened to Mc.. Get over the feminist garbage, this is the 21st century and we're not burning our bras here.
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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"dandt, you are so desperate to see a woman in either the presidency or VP that you would accept anyone"
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Gosh, not2smart,
Sounds an awful like you and your kool-aid drinking friends voting for Osama...
With his ties to ACORN, Rev. Wright, terrorist like Bill Ayers, sounds more like YOU guys are more desperate and accepting of just about anything with a pulse...
I don't know how many times we have to print this, but Palin has clearly more experience than Osama EVER had....She's got executive and legistlative experience, mayor of a city and govenor of a state....Doesn't matter how many people are in Alaska, or whether or not "Joe the Plummer" has a license, or WIlliam Ayers was "just another guy in the neighborhood"....You guys will spin a friggin' tree if you could....
The point is, Obama could rob a bank, n2n, and you would swear he did it to take the money and give it to the pooe....
That is why liberalism is delusional and why many Americans will not vote for King Zeus....You're thinking and ideology are warped and Obama could kill a man and you would ALWAYS give him a pass...Always....
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willottica1 year, 2 months ago
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"Obama could kill a man and you would ALWAYS give him a pass."
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What a crock of hypothetical bull.
As to my comment, it was an extrapolation of his war record. McCain participated in aerial bombing of a city. Children live in cities, children die in wars. Did he intentionally target and murder children? No, of course not! Nevertheless, he participated in a war in which he probably did kill some. Furthermore, he was an avid supporter of the Iraq war, in which many other innocent women and children have died. He has repeatedly stood on the side of the military industrial complex, choosing war over diplomacy. HIS actions and support for war have likely indirectly caused the deaths of children by the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands.
This is something you continue to give him a pass on. And you make the wild accusation that WE would give Obama a pass if he killed a man? Come to think of it, you might be right, because compared to McCain's record, responsibility for only one needless death would be downright saintly!
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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hey skippy
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How much experience did ray-gun have; He was an actor out of Hollywood and he is one of your hero's
And as a supposed university gad you post BS like you just did then criticize N2N thinking ??????you are one dense piece of wood.
As for acorn, Obama set it straight the other night, he represented them on a board along with others, some from the Rep party,,,,12 flipping years ago, mind you your party will go back to events in Obamas life when he was 7.
And if you say he has something to hide, maybe he does, but we have to take his word until proved wrong; I mean we all do that with McC and his sealed war records don't we, or is that an off subject to you.
So as you asked on the other post
Shut up.
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dandt16121 year, 2 months ago
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not2needy
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I am a man, so please get over the feminist garbage yourself. I am not desperate for a woman to be in office. I want someone in office that has some experience at running something other than their mouth.
I would like to see someone in office that is NOT known for all of their crooked friends they hang out with and, someone who is willing to make a hard choice and not vote present so that it doesn't look bad on them.
I would like to have someone in office that can do a good job and not just look good while trying to do it.
Take a chill pill not2needy.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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BUSH WAS PESTERED FOR NOT HAVING ENOUGH EXPERIENCE, SO DID BILL CLINTON, STILL THE PEOPLE ELECTED THEM.
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PLUS SENATOR OBAMA HAS LEARNED A LOT IN THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEE.
HE HAS A 149 IQ, WHILE SARA PALIN ONLY HAS A 119 I.Q. I GUESS THAT ACCOUNTS FOR HER REPEATED BLUNDERS.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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The poor guy. Just barely making it. A tax lien. People saying he's not certified to even be a plumber. I think we should all send Joe some money, get his life on track (it's hard being a single parent!) & then leave him alone.-
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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From the link you posted Jordan11,
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But the scrutiny around him also intensified — much to the plumber’s dismay, no doubt. Various news outlets are reporting that records indicate Wurzelbacher is not licensed as a plumber, and that he has a tax lien pending against him for $1,182.92.
Now since Mc is so againse taxes, wonder why he doesn't get it fixed for him. Joe can't be too smart. If he were, he would figure out that the tax lien he has on him is the result of a failed republican administration, and the most he made was 40,000!
Libbies trying to give him a break, and all he can say is, people shouldn't be penalized for hard work! Give me a break, those billionaires that are reaping the rewards probably have never worked a real day in their lives.-
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normallysilent1 year, 2 months ago
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Before you start building the hanging scaffolds for the guy you may want to check into just how the building trades operate.
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I know in the electrical field. To pull the permit from the building department for the work you need to be the homeowner doing your own work or be a licensed electrician. The Plumbing permits are issued by the health department and I beleive they work it the same way.
I do know that all employees in either trade actually out doing the work on site need not be licensed They are working under their employers license.-
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normallysilent1 year, 2 months ago
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Oh and FYI carpenters, roofers,drywallers, or even general contractors in Ohio are not licensed at all other than some cities require you to have a license issued by them to do work in their city and that is issued to the company. Its basically just a way of getting more money though.
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually what this shows is how bad the systems for education and training are in the US. Virtually all other industrialized democracies have very well developed systems for training and licensing of tradesmen. One cannot work without such training and licensing.
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Here's an irony. Much of the illegal immigration to Europe is from Africa. To help stem this and help develoopment in african countries, the europeans have been building schools and systems for training of tradesmen (which can be anything from plumbers to computer repair) all over Africa. In short, you might get a better trained plumber from Africa than in the US.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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How very true.
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In the 70's I apprenticed and got my airplane mechanics license, took me 3 years of working at it and a very hard exam,I could have gone to school in Canada or USA but didn't
But if I had, in Canada it was a 2 year course with 15 months working as an apprentice, and when one gets a license in Canada you are restricted on what you can work on.
When you get your license you are legal for any aircraft up to 12,500 Lbs loaded, and a single engine.
Add an engine, you need to write an exam on that plane only
So a Cessna 421 is a twin, you write an exam, but some are pressurized, hell another exam. So now you have your basic license plus a 421,
If it is over 12,500 but under 33,000 you need to work on it for 30 days then write an exam, over 33,000 3 months/exam.
And then we get into turbo props and jet engines.
As a mechanic, you are not allowed to split the crankcase, you need a special license and shop for that, and if you have structural damage, again a special license and shop.
And this is not covering helicopters.
But if I went to school in the USA, after 1 year of school, I can work on anything .
And Britain is even more strict.
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bigurn1 year, 2 months ago
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I do business in Ohio, and you're right. If you do COMMERCIAL work, you personally need to be licensed. If you do RESIDENTIAL work, you only need to work for a licensed plumber.
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Joe's employer is licensed; he doesn't need to be.
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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no, kitty-kitty....
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The issue is what your "Messiah" said about spreading Joe's wealth to losers like you and other libs who don't want to work for their money....
That's the REAL issue....This license bullcrap is just that....It's your failed attempt to get at the root of the problem and redirect - The key issue which you libs STILL have not answered is Obama's remarks about spreading the wealth, taking someone's hard-earned money and the government deciding WHO to give that money...That is the issue....
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Skippy,
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Obama said Joe would pay no fine if he makes under $250,000, but where did he say he would give it to welfare cases.
McC said he would give $4 billion in tax breaks to Exxon who is making record profits.
Duuuuhhhhhh, do the math.
And yes my statement is partial BS as it is not the whole story.
Both tax plans Obama's and McC's may save the tax payers money, if Congress will pass it.
And we see how great Congress is with the Reps holding things up, but that is Dems fault somehow.
Get over the party lines, start using that education you seem to think makes you some sort of genius.
The faults of today are due to policies of 40-50 years that have been heading to this, only shrub just sped it up. No one man or one party did this on their own, but a combination of both.
And you seem to think that Canada is somehow below you in standards of some sort.
I know up here we have building codes which means that yes a license is important, but we also can do some repairs ourselves, but major repairs will need to be done by, or signed as done by a licensed individual mainly due to insurance stipulations.
And as for this economic crisis, it is effecting us as the rest of the world, but our banks are stable, housing has slowed down, but stable and our GNP did rise .02%, not much but still on the plus side.
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Lurch1 year, 2 months ago
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No, the key issue here is wtf you cons have against the worker keeping his own hard-earned money instead of it all going to a few idle elite rich.
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Joe would have diddly squat if you cons got your fascist dreamland because he would be drowning in public AND moreover private debt if the Libs, Moderates, and Constitution did not stop your nefarious agenda.
Since when did the constitution say that it is the govt`s job to take our money and give it to somebody who never earned it to begin with by creating some faux monopoly or Bridge-To-Nowhere earmark?
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 2 months ago
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We already know too much about "Joe the Plumber".
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If the dude wants to vote for John McCain, that is cool.
I sure am glad they weren't talking about Richard the carpenter.
He was misrepresented, dudes that work with their tools do not make $250 G.
It makes me sad to see this guy dragged through the mud.
I have worked with my tools for more than 30 years, I did not go to trade school, And I am only licensed in a tiny township where my shop is.
I have owed way more in back taxes.
Should I be smug that I earn way more than double he does?
No! my smile is missing front teeth, and I have been lucky enough not to have gotten seriously hurt on the job.
A person will vote in the hope of getting a fair shake, and look to the cleanest path to claw their way out of dept
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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That's OK I did it for you !!!!!!! I'm not worried about getting a new mouse, it is worth it to neg the most needed to be negged negative people. LMAO hahahahahahaaa
FSU... I don't neg a lot of people, but you are a special case. Full of crap and waiting to expel it on the least deserving !!!!!!!
Enjoy the joy of being reviled by many as not worthy of a human being status, reserved for the likes of Cheney the worthless, Bush the duplicitous lackey of the evil satanic neocon leaders, Rove the front man for the Fascist/Nazi programs reminiscent of the Nazi henchman Goebells, Reagan the great pretender whose lies and home spun greed was so helpful in getting the ball rolling downhill for the lying bunch of liars...... The list continues but I'm sure FSU knows all his dunderhead-ed heroes.
Hope you don't mind fly, but I happen to think you deserve better treatment than what that piece of flotsam gave you.
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Pecossam1 year, 2 months ago
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humemmacdonald,
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Perhaps that's the reason we never have anything but LOTE votes, Nobody wants the public scrutiny; for both themselves and their FAMILIES.
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JEBUS081 year, 2 months ago
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if joe the plumber had the benefit of some good health care he probably wouldnt have any back taxes to worry about - but being that capitalism brings out the greatest, i mean greed in people, poor joe is having a hard time making ends meet. dont let the frying pan hit you upside the head
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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Survival, is on the battlefield you confused little childish one.
It should not be a part of everyday living except for the love of the greedy for the misery of all except those they care about.
What a simplistic person you seem to be. You think that having wealth is equal to being right. Yeah good luck with that come judgement day !!!!!!!!
That is the very problem with capitalism or any ism, it espouses personal gain over the well being of all. Not what God had in mind at all. Why do you think Jesus died for all people ????? Not just the wealthy, not just the poor, all people in the world.
Wake up simple one.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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POOR JOE. LIVING IN A BIG FANCY HOME. OWNING (IT SEEMS) TWO CARS AND LOOKING WELL FED AND HEALTHY.
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PLAY AWAY YOUR EVANGELIST PAIN VIOLIN STUFFED WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
FROM WORKING ILLEGALLY. REAL TOUCHING.
FOR THE TRUTH GO TO GHETTOS AND SEE MEN LIVING IN TRASH BINS. CRY FOR OLD VETERANS SLEEPING IN THE STREETS ON COLD WINTER NIGHTS. THOSE ARE THE REAL POOR JOES.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday.
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Really? ... Not in my wildest, or wettest dreams did I ever think being your under achieving, over exposed, phony, would be realizing the American Dream. His life must be taxing, for sure, but give me a break, Mr. Joe Blow from Oh High Oh...you sound like you have a nice built in defense for your future failures.
Lol! How about trying this line out? "I was ruined by cheap labor...My own!"
I think it's more fitting. By the way, check your mail, McCain ought to be sending you a check...any day now.-
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Regulating big business isn't 'socialism.' That word is just used too randomly, and Joe needs to study what it really means. Without regulation we'd be dropping dead from bad drugs, (already has happened), our cars would be death traps (that's happened too), our food would be poisoning us (we're on our way there), our children's toys would be destroying their brains (oops, we are there), and so on. Joe is too far to the right, and lots of people are too far to the left. Either way, we lose. He seems like a nice guy, but like so many of us, doesn't get the whole picture.
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 2 months ago
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A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE NEOCON:
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Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and safe because some tree-hugging liberal fought for maximum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - and now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girlie-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat-packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby granola liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our atmosphere.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with good pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some commie leftist union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some ridiculous liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Made easier by shrubs tax breaks to the wealthy.
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If you study McC's plan you will see that this is an area he will do some cutting at, only not as much as Obama will.
But on the lower end Obama's plan will benefit those in a lower income bracket more than McC's will.
Both plans benefit the tax payer, do try and look at both sides SKIPPY; not just one
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cleare1 year, 2 months ago
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if you really believe the phrase "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.", as i do, then how do you explain bush administration's violations against freedoms guaranteed by our consititution...like habeas corpus, all in the name of security.
proudbluetexan is spot on. in none of his citations are the freedoms of americans violated. the freedoms of the employers were and should continue to be regulated in the interests of all americans.
the ruthless and persistent drive to deregulation desired by corporations and pressed into law by republicans has led to nearly 30 years of ever more economic hazard for ordinary americans...and even for "Joe, the plumber".
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cleare1 year, 2 months ago
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how do you know that, beavith? ever lived there? (incidentally, it is not longer called leningrad - back to st. petersburg now)
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my grandmother was born there and i can tell you that they never had it as good as proudblue describes. i'm an extremely progressive liberal, not a socialist or communist and neither is anyone i've read on any of these threads. in fact, i am extremely grateful my grandparents immigrated here, saved me from growing up in a former soviet republic.
balance is what is required in a successful economy. a fine balance of regulated capitalism. and there are instances where the government can do a project more efficiently and effectively than the private sector.
it is organized labor that has forced capitalism into some semblance of balance.
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 2 months ago
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It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who gamed the banking system just before the Great Depression.
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Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some liberal whiner decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal traitor fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal (FDR) stuck his nose where it didn't belong and created the rural electrification act.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, quiche-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved conservative Republicans fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man! All Americans should take care of themselves, just as I have.-
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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Now, i want to see some winger nut job dispute that! What a despicable bunch they are. The world would have been destroyed without us whale kissing, pot smoking, tree hugging, love bead wearing libbies. One of these days they will see it, but by then it will be too late.
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Elections have become a sporting event to right wing nuts. It's all about winning, nothing more nothing less.
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chevydog1 year, 2 months ago
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jordan-- Tend to agree. There is regulation and there is regulation. In my industry (chemical manufacturing), some of the regs we had to adhere to were merely codification of "best engineering practices" as published by our own professional societies. These tend to be pretty rational; although when read in isolation rather than context they could sometimes sound wacky.
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On the other side, earlier in my career I sat across the table from some EPA character who was no older than what I was. He dressed me down completely as to what we had to do technically with our older nitric acid plant; in the process he demonstrated that he didn't have clue the first about how the process worked. This kind of stuff leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
It's impossible to write a law that can cover all the vagrancies of human behavior; the law hasn' been written that someone can't find a flaw in and exploit if they so desire. Some people jump on this and say it's a good reason not to even write regs.
Like everything ele, there's a balance the process--between specifying minutae and total license. Many if not most businesses have evolved to the point that they can work comfortably within a regulatory framework. Obviously some haven't. But 'm not sure that those who write these things have evolved as much. Most of the horror stoies one hears revolve around over-zealous enforcement of a poorly written reg or specifying picayune stuff that doesn't even apply.-
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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Oh, I'm not saying that some regulation isn't goofy. But to say across the board that all regulation is 'socialist' is nothing short of stupid. And people who spew that mantra & vote for clowns who would destroy those safeguards are voting against their own interests.
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JEBUS081 year, 2 months ago
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when it comes to the iraq war - joe is probably one of those guys that claims freedom isnt free. but the instant they have to pay for anything they b@tch and moan - those people need to start using their own advice FREEDOM ISNT FREE
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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JOE, OR SAM IS NO VICTIM. HE APPEARS SMILING AND POSING FOR THE CAMERAS. HIS SUDDEN NOTORIETY MAY BRING HIM A REAL JOB AND CONTRACTS. HE IS NOW THE POSTER BOY FOR THE POLITICAL RIGHT. HE WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TURN INTO A MINOR CELEBRITY. HE WILL GET PAID THOUSANDS FOR THOSE APPEARANCES.'
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IT IS NAIVE TO VICTIMIZE HIM. HE IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO SEEM "FOLKSY" LIKE SARAH PALIN. HOW MANY MORE STEREOTYPES WILL MCCAIN USE? PRETTY BORING :))))))))
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BigBadJohn6661 year, 2 months ago
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Why do you make such an asinine statement. There are thousands of real plumbers that don't have a license. They don't need one if they are working for a licensed plumber. If all plumbers were licensed, they would be in business for themselves and this wouldn't work because they wouldn't be able to find any help. It's like saying a cook at a famous restaurant is not a real cook because he doesn't have a business/restaurant license.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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That shaved pate does remind me of a rather high profile lowlife plumber from the past, who had a particular party association. Give him a mustache and he could be the famous international man of mystery G Gordon Liddy. Or drop a hundred pounds, add a gabardine suit and some wire rimmed spectacles, and voila, Walter Mitty.
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Okay, okay, I'm getting carried away with this little bit of fun, but hey! The public spotlight wasn't thrown on him by Barak. Let McCain make the apology for his 15 minutes of fame, and all that it entails.
If McC had contacted Mr. Wurzelbacher, and Joe gave him the green light to use him, then 'Joe the "plumber"' should probably tender his apology. Either way, I'm just tickled.-
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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This shows the kind of morons that think like the neocon base. Duhhhhhhhh !!!!!! Obamas plan would help me ?????? Oh well, I don't care because I like making the wealthy more wealthy while I struggle by.
I'm thinking of buying the business even though i'm not a licensed contractor, that way I can reap all the rewards of being an idiot.
This guy is a moron and a sad case of not knowing what is good for you. I hope he is thouroughly embarrassed and made to look like complete dufus he acted like.
Then maybe he will start to understand that taxes based on income should be higher for those who receive the greatest benefit from this country. Take away the tax breaks for the extremely well off.
Allow some of the smaller businesses to compete and get a foot hold.
Yep, this guy is the kind of guy who shoots hiimself in the foot, then wonders why he can't keep up. LOL
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 2 months ago
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IMHO, John McCain seems to think that the "Average American", aka "Middle America" is making more than $250,000 per year, that is how really out of touch they are.
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My husband is a school teacher and far from even coming close to $100k a year.
I don't think McCain has a clue since he never had to work a day in his life at a real job making honest money. He has lived off the taxpayers back his entire life.-
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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Well, he said that he didn't consider you wealthy unless you were making 5 million a year, so there you go EE..
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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McCain hasn't had to work a day in his life ?
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ROTFLMAO !!!
Oh, and Osama has ? LOL !!! Pluh-EAZZE !!!
READ MY LIPS ! Tax cuts for EVERYONE ! Not just 95%, which when you really look at the numbers it's actually only 70-80% ....
Now, I'm no Harvard grad, but EVERYONE versus 80%, seems a LOT better....
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Tax plan face off: Obama vs. McCain
WHITE HOUSE RACE | Whoever wins, you'll probably pay less
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June 30, 2008
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter/apallasch@suntimes.com
The rich would pay more under Barack Obama's tax plan, and the poor and middle-class would pay less, a nonpartisan analysis finds. Under John McCain's plan, the rich would pay much less than they do now, the poor and middle-class would pay a bit less, and the federal deficit would grow, the study found.
Each individual's tax situation is different, so it's hard to say for sure how much more or less you would pay under the presidential candidates' ever-evolving tax proposals.
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Under the tax plan of John McCain (left), the rich, poor and middle-class would pay less. Under the plan of Barack Obama, the rich would pay more while the poor and middle-class would pay less.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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AGREE, I USED TO WATCH CHANNEL 53, A HOME REMODELING AND SALES PROGRAM. REAL FANCY AND BIG HOUSES COST MORE THAN 100,000 DOLLARS AND WERE FROM250 TO A MILLION OR TWO M. BUCKS. IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE I STOPPED WATCHING.
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HOMES LIKE PALIN COST UP TO TWO MILLIONS.IT IS TRUE AFTER THE HURRICANES AND REMODELING TREND OLD COUPLES WHO HAD BOUGHT AT CHEAPER PRICES BACK DECADES AGO SOLD FOR MUCH MORE THAN THEY ORIGINALLY PAID.
SO THEMODERN EXAGGERATED HOUSING BOOM ATTRACTED OPPORTUNISTS WHO MADE QUICK FORTUNES, BUT LED THE HOUSING MARKET TO EXPLODE AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR PRESENT CRISIS.
YEARS AGO, A WRITER PUBLISHED A BOOK TITLED: THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS IS PEDDDLING (OR WORKING) VERY HARD BUT GOING NOWHERE." YES, LIKE A STATIONARY BIKE THAT TAKES ONE NOWHERE, NO MATTER HOW HARD A RIDER PEDDLES. :(
NO WONDER JOE, OR SAM? WORKS REPAIRING HOMES :))))))))))))
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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The man was playing football with his son in his yard when Obama stopped in his neighborhood. Are you folks suggesting he asked for this? He talked about buying a business, not a paycheck that made him 250K. Making the childish rude comments both sides make about the other candidate is bad enough, but to trash a man OBAMA thought would make a good campaign moment out of should be out of bounds. Shame on you.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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Wrong, lady. Obama was on the stump. Conversation over. McCain took the footage and ran with it. Feel free to suggest what ever you like. I do. But do get your facts straight. Remedial reading and ESL courses are available online. Have a pleasant day.
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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Have you taken advantage of those classes? Obama put the man on tape, McCain ran with it. Some on this, and other, boards have trashed this man that didn't ask for it, didn't deserve it. That was the point of my post. Conversation over.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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Just getting started. I didn't see a camera in Barack's (we're on a first name basis) hands.The media caught everything on tape. Nose picking, wincing, squinting, everything. McCan chose to use it, and the rest, as they say, is history.
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"Good night Mrs. Kalabsch, where ever you are! Ha cha cha cha chaaa!"
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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Boo Hoo Hoo !!!!! Come on your guys got caught playing the idiots they are and you want to spin it !!!!!!
I'm not sorry the guy made a fool of himself !!!!! He did it to himself !!!!!
If one is not wise enough to keep ones mouth closed when it benefits one to do so. Well, that is fair game.
I seem to remember people poking fun at Joe Biden for telling a politician to stand up when he was in a wheel chair. Joe didn't know the man was in the chair or he wouldn't have said it.
But hey you shameless neocons took shots at him for that. This guy knew he wasn't a licensed plumber and still had the gall to act as if he were the potential small business man who was going to get hurt by it.
The player got played !!!!!!!!! And you don't like it !!!!!!!!! LMAO hahahahahahaaaahahaaa
Get real, you are trying to act as if you business owners have it really hard when the tax position is tilted in your favor.
Yes I know I know about the workmans comp insurance payments you have to make, hmmmm, if I remember right that comes off the bottom line as an expense, just as salaries, taxes, fuel and equipment purchased and used in the business operation.
I kept books for a few years, Did Profit and Loss Statements, etc. etc. etc.
There are many ways that businesses profit by the tax code.
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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Putting words in my mouth does nothing. I'm not a republican, I'm an independent and more moderate than any other pigeon hole some posters want to put me in. The post you're referring to about the workmans comp was a simple statement responding to information that was incorrect in another persons post. I called her no names, did not intend to be nasty to anyone. As to my business, right now it is extremely tough. I'm in Cenrtal Florida in site work, the housing 'crisis' started for me about 9 months ago. All those expenses you seem to be envious of that I can deduct continue whether I work and have income or not. I don't show up in the unemployment statistics, no unemployment checks for me. I chose what I do because I truly love my work, and prefer to work for myself. I worked many years for large contractors and one advantage is being able to go home at the end of the day and leave the job behind. It's the security of a weekly paycheck. There's nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with choosing to go out on a limb, gamble with achieving the American Dream.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 2 months ago
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Was not intending to put words into your mouth at all. I'm sorry you are suffering because of the housing crisis. Many are, and it will not get better any time soon.
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Still what Joe claimed is a bunch of crap.
Yes I know, one must have income to meet all the company needs, such as payroll, payroll taxes, insurance, inventory replacement and storage costs,... all costly expenses.
Employees have expenses as well, which add up to more than they make a lot of the times when the government taxes them more heavily then the more profitable businesses.
I just think that the tax base should be more equitable is all.
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Spadecaller1 year, 2 months ago
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Joe the Plumber has associations with the son of one of the Watergate burglars. (just kidding.)
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Joe's a phony. He does not even make the money that gave McCain the opportunity to use him as an example to promote his discriminatory tax plan.
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tschrnywolf1 year, 2 months ago
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I ENDORSE SENATOR OBAMA. JUST CURIOUS: HOW COME JOE HAS NOT BEEN JAILED?
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IF HE LIVED IN A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE POLICE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT LONG AGO? THIS IS A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. :( NOT EVEN MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS WOULD ESCAPE THE I.R.S.,UNLESS THEY COULD AFFORD THOUSANDS OF LAWYER FEES.
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rossb11 year, 2 months ago
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Joe works for a residential plumbing contractor who is liscensed. In ohio, residential plumbing contractors are the only ones who need a plumbing liscense. Their workers do not need to be liscensed.
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FOr commercial contractors, all of the workers need to be liscensed plumbers
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ETproductions1 year, 2 months ago
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You forgot to mention that the firm he works for makes far less than $250,000 per year, isn't for sale, and even if it was, Joe has no hope of buying it. Maybe that's because he keeps voting for Republicans who funnel his income off to prop up the wealthiest Americans.
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ETproductions1 year, 2 months ago
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Not only is Joe not a plumber. He's a right wing-nut radio hack who was obviously sent into the Obama rally as a Karl Rove plant. The fact that he was totally unvetted is testimony to McCain's lousy management style. George W. Bush's campaign would have vetted the guy before using him as political fodder. So in that respect, McSame is right. He's not G. W, Bush. As a manager, he is even worse!
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Look, I am a small business owner. I have been since 1985. So I know a thing or two about small business. With start-up credits, most small businesses in the USA pay Zero taxes in the first 5 years. The top business tax rate in the USA is 35% same as the personal top rate right now. But there are a ton of big businesses that don't pay ANY taxes. There are a ton of loopholes for selected businesses (read ones wealthy enough to hire top lobbyists).
A small business doesn't "make" $250,000 if it has sales of a $250,000. Earnings are calculated on profits after all costs are deducted, not sales. So to "earn" $250,000 the typical small business needs sales of $2,500,000 or more.
If a business is doing that well, it has the option of incorporating and paying the corporate tax rate or staying sole proprietor and paying the personal tax rate. So if Joe the Plumber bought a business and earned over 2.5 Million Dollars, he could file as a corporation under the 35% or less rate instead of Obama's proposed 39% rate for high earning individuals.
But the truth is Joe isn't a plumber. He earns about $40,000 per year. He's not about to buy any business. And he's a right wing-nut local talk show hack voting against the guy who is actually running to give a tax cut to HIM and the real plumbers out there. Plumbers earn a taxable income on average of $47,000 per year.
McCain's entire plan is to cut taxes more for the rich and accelerate the Regean/Bush transfer of wealth from the middle class to the ultra wealthy. His tax on health care benefits amounts to a tax increase on most middle class workers. He wants to do this even though the collapse of middle class earnings has brought the economy to the brink of depression, hurting even the wealthy like the McCains. If the middle class has no money and no jobs, no businesses do well, mine included. And that's why I support Parack Obama for President.-
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Georgia501 year, 2 months ago
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Tragically, there's nothing about Joe the plumber you can say that diminishes the Marxist crap that came rolling out of Obama's mouth.
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You want to. You even think it's possible. And the reaction across America is such that you feel you must.
But you can't. And that's that.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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OMG, check this out! You won't believe it!
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http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-...
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ETproductions1 year, 2 months ago
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How surreal. Joe is a close relative of McCain's ex-con buddy and contributor, Charles Keating. And McCain wants to play guilt by association by drawing an incredibly tenuous link to a university professor who did something bad 40 years ago?
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Albmore1 year, 2 months ago
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I cannot believe how I sit and watch America fall to its ruin. We are about to elect a president with NO experience that voted present more than he made a decission on anything in the senate. A senitor that wants to raise taxes as we head toward recession or depression. At a time when we see our jobs headed overseaes he wants to raise taxes on companies which give them more reason to send more jobs out of the country. A senitor with corruption ties, a senitor that in the middle of banking corruption was one of the top recievers in donations from those banks. (think there will be any investigation or any thing done to those who threw your money away? ) A senitor who will said he will take public financing for his campaign and then did not. A senitor who has promised everything but has NO plan on paying for it. A senitor who will reduce our military when countries like Russia are becomming more agressive. America has become bling bling, following a media star and not looking at all at the facts. WHY? because its in? To protest BUSH? The fall will be hard, and all will fall. Americas days are numbered unless they wake up before election day.
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Georgia501 year, 2 months ago
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Palin has more relevant experience than Obama, and of the 4 she has the most executive experience. It took Obama two weeks to come to terms with Palin, during which time he was reduced to nothing more than a stammering fool. The only way he was able to move on is because he finally realized that his mindless pied piper minions were going to follow him anyway so he didn't have to address the Palin issue. He simply sat back and let his feral MSM attack dogs do the dirty work.
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And this is the guy you want facing off against Putin, Amindyjab, Chavez, and Kim Il Jong? In a hostile international arena, Obama will melt like butter in an oven. Which is fine for him to be like any other Democrat...it's just that I don't want thrown under that particular bus.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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...and that's one of the reasons I'm voting for Barak! Let's stop and reverse the course the neo-Nazi steam roller has been on the better part of the last decade.
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You know, I couldn't have said it better myself. :)
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HateKoolAid1 year, 2 months ago
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"sumptuousdigs", like I said on another post. It's time we evolved. After voting for the last 240+ years for middle aged old white men, let us catch up with the rest of the world. A mixed race Commander-in-Chief does not scare me. If it does, the rest the rest of the country it must be 1908. If it doesn't, we are finally in the year 2008.
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Georgia501 year, 2 months ago
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So what you're saying is that Obama said what he said, either:
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1. Knowing Joe was a fake, which makes makes Obama more stupid than we thought; or
2. Not knowing Joe was a fake, which means he can't possibly be expected to go toe-to-toe with world leaders.
Life is choices...pick one.
Me? I don't care if Joe was an animated gay cyborg mannequin who broke out of the Macy's crossdressing department in search of an Idaho politician. The point is and remains how Obama responded to him.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
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Well georgia50, I pick #1, but as I have said many times, there are 2 sides to a fence, and even if you are only looking at one side many views and angles to look at it.
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"Knowing Joe was a fake, which makes makes Obama more stupid than we thought; or"
Or he moved his pawn, got himself out of check and put McC in Queen check, as it is both McC and Palin who keep saying that Obama is playing dirty but now they have to explain themselves as to why they are.
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djn3nunez31 year, 2 months ago
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If you have to explain to a liberal that "Joe the plumber" is not about Joe the plumber, then there's not much point saying anything else.
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The whole story is a lie. The business joe works for is not for sale. Even if it was, Joe couldn't buy it. Furthermore the business doesn't make 250,000 dollar a year. So explain how Barack's plan is going to stop Joe from buying a business that is not for sale?
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LADYSMITH1 year, 2 months ago
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They say the truth hurts. In Barack Obama's case, it is simply devastating.
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Not surprisingly the Big Media have kept the American public blind to the truth about Obama, including...
* The fact that a corrupt Chicago Machine politician "made a U.S. senator" out of Barack Obama
* How Barack Obama won his first election by having his lawyers knock all his opponents off the ballot on technicalities
* Obama's support for a grotesque "infanticide" law that was too extreme even for Nancy Pelosi
* The Tony Rezko connection: "I've never done any favors for him," says Obama about convicted developer Tony Rezko. Oh, but he has...
We at HUMAN EVENTS are set to embark on a massive truth-telling mission to unmask the real Barack Obama. And just like in 2004 when concerned Americans exploded John Kerry's presidential aspirations by helping the Swift Boat Veterans get out the truth about him. . .
We're going to stop the Obama campaign juggernaut dead in its tracks!
Just wait until Americans read the special editorial supplement produced (together with our sister company, RedState.com) by our HUMAN EVENTS team called "The Truth about Obama: What Every Citizen Needs to Know".
You see, while the Obama campaign is dying to keep the skeletons in Obama's closet hidden for just three more months, we plan to tell the truth to the American public before November.
Best Regards,
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President and Editor in Chief, HUMAN EVENTS
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
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"Just wait until Americans read the special editorial supplement produced (together with our sister company, RedState.com) by our HUMAN EVENTS team called "The Truth about Obama: What Every Citizen Needs to Know"."
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Just wait for more filth and lies to pour out of their usual source: the GOP.
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Georgia501 year, 2 months ago
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I guess that is why it is E-ville for Joe the Plumber to have a tax lien against him, but it's ok for Obama's treasurer, Martin Nesbitt, to have a tax lien against his bean-counting little fingers.
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The patriotic duty to pay taxes applies to us, not them.
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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from another story:
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"He doesn't need a license because he works under the common license held by the company. My father-in-law has such a company (plumbing company) and many of his employees do not have the license but are just as competent as ones that do and some times more so. So your argument is failed on that respect." -
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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The sad part of this is.... Not all conservatives are rich, but they support corporate welfare for the rich. They are taxed just the same as we are, although they whine and complain about it ad nauseam, but they find nothing wrong with corporate welfare, but hate the idea of spreading the wealth, or welfare for the poor.. They will shoot themselves in the foot to protect big business, that tells me a lot about their intelligence.
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WJ1 year, 2 months ago
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JOE THE PLUMBER JUST ASKED A QUESTION AND THE
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MEDIA, PROVES ONCE AGAIN THAT THEY ARE BIAS,
TRYING TO SMEAR AND DESTROY HIM.
SO WHAT! HE ISN'T LICENSED. BIG DEAL.
OBAMA HAS EGG ON HIS FACE, BUT THAT
WON'T GET ON THE NEWS NETWORKS.
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Lurch1 year, 2 months ago
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I bet Joe The Unlicensed Plumber and Tax Cheat will, at times, regret his choice of information sources.
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If he had chosen a little bit wisely, he would have known that already and would not have embarrassed himself, his family, his employer, and his son internationally.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 2 months ago
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Wealth, and all of the convenience and power that it affords, still comes at some cost. When my trucking company was asked to cart and safeguard Joe's assets, I named him a modest fee. When John asked for the same services, I said sure, but it's going to cost you more. I think some people forget one of the basic concepts of a capitalist system. It's called pricing at the ability to pay. What we really need is to make sure all of us are getting our money's worth. That should be the real debate.
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Too many people have called our system a capitalist government. I've read it right here on these threads. Where did that come from?
In reality they are being played. A democracy is the voice of all the people. A perfect example would be a consensus where everyone that chooses to, could grow and prosper. Taxes aren't penalties, they are levies to cover costs. Money is not mine. It is a service of the government to facilitate transactions, and has generally worked pretty well.
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