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Candida1 year, 1 month ago
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It never ceases to amaze me how greedy Americans are. I used to think that they just want things that others outside the US have, but I'm starting to be convinced that they are envious toward each other. What's even more puzzling is that most Americans call themselves Christians.
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I found the recent media frenzy about Joe the plumber really funny and revealing. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out what his problem was with Obama's tax plan. Since he makes well under $200,000 now, he would enjoy a tax break. Why is he worried about a hypothetical situation that may or may not happen? How do Republicans convince so many people to vote against their own self-interests?
His story reminds me of a folk tale I heard in my childhood. Briefly, it goes something like this:
A man goes home one day and finds his wife in tears. She is looking at his gun and is crying her heart out. He asks what the problem is. She tells him that she is grieving for their son. "What do you mean?" he asks. She tells him: "You are so selfish. You never think of anyone but yourself. You put that gun on that shelf in that cupboard and never even considered that our son could find it and shoot himself accidentally." Puzzled, the man says: "First of all, the gun isn't loaded, and second, we don't have any children." "But one day we could," says the woman, "and if we had a son, he could open that cupboard door, pull a chair there, climb on it, reach the gun, which could be loaded at that time, and shoot himself accidentally."
This is what Joe the plumber sounded to me. Even though Obama's plan would benefit him now, which would make it easier for him to save up some money to buy a business one day, he is against it because if and when he does, and if and when he makes more than $250,000, he will have to pay higher taxes. Who knows what the conditions will be by then if that time ever comes!-
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italymeetsdixie1 year, 1 month ago
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I know a few plumbers. Even if they had the inclination to buy the business they for which they had been working, their only possible hope they would have for the purchase would be to use a second mortgage on their house. In this economy, which has been made possible by republican party, his house is nearly worthless.
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Which brings me to my next point. How is he going to keep a plumming business afloat in a housing crisis? Instead of worrying about taxes he might have to pay if he can afford to buy a this business, it looks more prudent to think about saving his money until the crisis is more settled and the housing market starts building.
It is the "American Dream" at work here. Everyone believes that one day they too will be rich and powerful and that at that point the higher taxes will be an issue. It is classic, putting your cart before your horse. -

theido1 year, 1 month ago
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Blah blah blah. The main point which you are ignoring or are completely ignorant of is that Joe the plumber and 84% of the country do not want wealth redistribution.
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You are also forgetting that Obama and the rest of the Dems will let the Bush tax cut's expire, which will INCREASE YOUR TAXES.-

Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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You are right about the fact that America doesn't want Wealth Redistribution.
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That's why George W. Bush has the lowest approval rating of all time.
Americans look at how he's redistributed immense wealth to the wealthiest ... simply because they were already wealthy ... and to pay for this scheme ... he borrowed from Communists in China.
Ideological Idiocy.-

theido1 year, 1 month ago
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-"That's why George W. Bush has the lowest approval rating of all time."
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You're not gonna find me defending Bush when it comes to the bailout and other such policies he's signed for.
You can dodge the issue by bringing up Bush, but the fact is that Obama is for wealth redistribution and we can do something about it. We can't do anything more about Bush. Nice try though.
-"he's redistributed immense wealth to the wealthiest "
Taking less is not giving. Taking without earning is stealing, or taxing if you want to be politically correct.-
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theido1 year, 1 month ago
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I'm "parroting the pathetic and patently false nonsense you heard on the radio?"
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INCOME is taxed and then that WEALTH is giving to others, hence wealth redistribution. You can say anything you want, but taxing someones wealth OR income is still taking money from someone and giving to someone else.
Please stick to the points instead of trying to discredit me which does nothing to validate your views.-

GWHayduke1 year, 1 month ago
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Wealth is the accumulation of property and assets.
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Income is liquid money earned from employers or interest.
And it DOES make a significant difference:
I can earn $500,000 a year and spend it ALL and not have ANY wealth.
My grandmother earns ZERO and has enormous wealth left to her by her family. She LOVES W's tax plan, particularly the estate tax portion.
-"You can say anything you want, but taxing someones wealth OR income is still taking money from someone and giving to someone else."-
Like Halliburton, Blackwater, General Dynamics and any other corporation subsidized by the government?
You're OK with that because.....why?
To live in a civil society there MUST be a certain degree of equality or civility will not exist.
Those points are very relevant, but because you want to reduce everything to a black and white issue that simpletons can agree with, in order to support your weak assertion really does bring into question your ability to analyze complex situations.
Just as McW planned.
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