Propeller Week In Review: October 17, 2008 »
Posted By JamesMarcus 1 year, 1 month ago in NewsWith the election less than three weeks away, stories about Barack Obama and Sarah Palin (but, oddly, not John McCain) had a near monopoly on our Top Twenty. What will we talk about when the election is over?
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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JamesMarcus: Thanks for the invitation and mention.
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BTW...This is my latest personal message from the sock puppet, Clockworkorange:
"Shut UP
Clockworkorange 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
You are a complete jackass."
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I would be inclined to participate more on Propeller if it wasn't for these kind of comments and childish insults.-
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 1 month ago
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I agree Spade, it is getting really disgusting on the threads with them, the sock puppets are out in full force and it is no longer any fun to post knowing your going to get hammered.
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I can't wait, 3 more weeks and then all the little trolls can crawl back into their holes and we can have our community back along with our self respect and dignity. Politics is dirty and for some reason it brings the worse out in people and their puppets.
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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Just to clarify the issue. I have had my moments like most of us ... but a "complete" jackass. This is a gross exaggeration. Regarding the "shut up"... that seems more reminiscent of childhood spats with my brothers.
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Is there an age limitation for participation on Propeller? Perhaps an emotional IQ test should also be administered during the application process.
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gamahuche1 year, 1 month ago
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James asks:
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"What will we talk about when the election is over?"
Swords will be turned into plowshares, the lion will lie down with the lamb and peace will reign for 10,000 years.
But that darned propeller will keep spinning and getting everyone charged up again and the 10,000 may be abbreviated to c. 10 minutes.
It WOULD be nice to have an occasional truce day, however. They even managed it in the 1st World War for Christmas, on the front.
Stop the propeller spinning and gather on a virtual village green.. Equinoxes and Solstices, perhaps?-
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JamesMarcus1 year, 1 month ago
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I foresee an interval of tranquility lasting about three days--call it Pax Propelleriana--followed by more hostilities. But maybe tempers will cool more quickly once the election is over, whoever wins. The tension has become hard to take.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 1 month ago
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James asks:
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"What will we talk about when the election is over?"
How about what it takes for every one to pull together and get our country back on track. It is going to be a long hard time for who ever wins and it is going to be a grueling task to sort out the mess of the last 8 years.
Why don't we all discuss how we can make a difference no matter how small. How about coming together in a group/community mentality of no longer slamming one another but working with one another to effect a positive change.
I know I will have a hard time getting over the horrible things that have been said, but I put my Country first and the future of our country and that should be what is making the front page instead of all the "tabloid" stories with exaggerated headlines inciting anger and hatred.
I will not forget those that have stooped to such lows though, the past 2 weeks my friends list has shrunk greatly as I have cleaned house and removed those that have been offensive, I can not consider them "My friends" any longer. But I have a strong list of "My Friends" people with higher moral values that don't slander, threaten, or abuse. -
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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To set the record straight, directly from the official report
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Stephen Branchflower public report, Oct 10, 2008
I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governer Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public safety.
In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a PROPER and LAWFUL exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.-
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JamesMarcus1 year, 1 month ago
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All true, Klarissa. But the very same report concluded that she had violated the state's Ethics Act, even if no laws were broken in the process. From the Wall Street Journal account:
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Mr. Branchflower, who based his report on interviews, emails and other records, said Gov. Palin violated Alaska's Ethics Act. The statute is meant to "discourage executive branch employees from acting under personal interests in the performance of their public responsibilities," he said.
The governor engaged in "official action" by her inaction "if not her active participation" in assisting her husband, Todd, to get Trooper Wooten fired, the investigator said. Mr. Palin gave testimony to the investigator that he repeatedly tried to get the trooper removed, as a threat to the public as well as his family.
Mr. Branchflower's report pointed out that Gov. Palin had declined to be interviewed. "An interview would have assisted everyone to better understand her motives...," he said.
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GehlLady1 year, 1 month ago
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LOL, my comment mentioned was the more emotional of any I posted. If the man had tazered my child for any reason, he'd have gotten a shock of his own. Considering at no time was Monegan told to fire Wooten, I don't feel the report was correct in their finding as to an ethics breach.
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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It's a bone, GehlLady. Those who already dislike Palin just see it as a political opportunity and don't care about the details. If Joe Biden had done something similar, they'd be focused on the tasered child, too, and would be making the arguments you are making.
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Branchflower obviously dislikes Palin and is using every tool in the box in his effort to discredit her before the election--as any good political operative would do. We see it coming thick and loud from both major parties right now.
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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Please explain how comments like these are considered acceptable under the Terms of Use that we all agreed to when we joined Propeller?
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(Clockworkorange):
"Dont like black people? Well ****, lets get a S.W.A.T. team out there right now and fugg up them black hatin bastards!!"
"Damn wolfman, that got me to laughing so freaking hard!! Yes, I am a nut job and I enjoy yanking the chains here on nazipeller. Thanks for the gut laugh and have a great day tomorrow! :)" -
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Spadecaller1 year, 1 month ago
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"victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;"
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What do those words actually mean? I see a small group of members on propeller who regularly present degrading, harassing, and intimidating statements about others on the basis of religion, age, sex, disability, and race. Am I really the only one who sees these comments?
(I guess I won't be invited back to participate on the WIR again; but my observations constitute much of the week in review at hand.)-
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 1 month ago
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Your not alone in what you see Spade, I see it also.....and admit at times i come down and gravel in the mud, but not to those extremes......just think, they will be gone in 3 weeks. Just fly low under the radar like me and you can make it the next 3 weeks......
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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Spade,
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I think some of that comes under free speech, and to limit it would be application of political correctness.
And some of it is based on one's choice of reaction: some people are covered with hot buttons and become upset at the least little needling. They ride their emotions into fits of anger or angst and lash out at perceived attacks and injustices.
I think the moderators do a good job at killing spam and abuse--and I suspect it was an innocent oversight that the first comment you cited by CWO wasn't zapped.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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Hi James; have a few querries for you.
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1) Will sh it ever be allowed to be printed here as it is in many articles we read ?
2)Will we be able to find comments better, as opening and closing tabs is bothersome when there is a large response to it
3) Honestly, we need to able to see who gives positive and negative votes on comments; the one that got me was "ProundblueTexan" getting negs for quoting Sinclair Lewis, as it would be great to see who those fools are.
Other than that, have a great day...EH!-
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memestryker1 year, 1 month ago
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HB,
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On #1, we all know work arounds if we are dead set on saying something (as you prove in your post).
#2 especially is a challenge. Many times I just throw my hands up and move on because it would be so time-consuming to dig through the comments, so I have fewer ongoing conversations now.
#3 it used to be useful to see this, because one could get an idea of which of my positions was being taken a certain way. Now I sense that people who dislike me or my views, for whatever reason, just neg anything I say to express their contempt for me as a person rather than on the content of the post.
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GehlLady1 year, 1 month ago
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JMarcus
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I'm not sure seeing the identity of the neg/pos is a good thing. As memestryker said, it seems to be used against the person instead of the specific comment. I try to be civil in my posts, but have been attacked with name calling. I'm a big girl, it's OK. My concern would be being attacked for simply the neg/pos. At times I see someone else has said what I would have, so leave no comment.
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JamesMarcus1 year, 1 month ago
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The original goal in making negs/pos anonymous was to tamp down some of the personal animosities. Whether that worked I'm not sure, but we've gotten a fair number of requests to make those votes visible again, and are reconsidering.
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