Obama: Constitution Reflects Fundamental Flaw In This Country »
Posted By JaimieM 1 year, 1 month ago in NewsEven more audio damaging to Barack Obama has surfaced from 2001 Chicago Public Radio interviews. Via Drudge, here we find Barack Obama saying that the U.S. Constitution “ reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day” .
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JaimieM1 year, 1 month ago
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JaimieM1 year, 1 month ago
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The first of the tapes I saw is at: http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/27/obama-bo...
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Is this the Obama-gate coverup? -
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earthlingerer1 year, 1 month ago
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I'd have to hear a bit more from before the carefully trimmed quote to hear which flaw Obama was referring to, otherwise, it would be impossible for any person to understand what exactly is meant.
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If Obama has a "secret plan" to change the constitution, at least he's keeping it secret, unlike the current administration. -
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DarkWizard1 year, 1 month ago
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JaimieM,
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Amazing! This is the second video that lasts less than 30 seconds. It's easy to change the context and meaning of the message when you use sound bites. Obviously, he said what is being played, but what exactly is the message? Here again we have a bunch of scared right wingers grasping at straws in attempt to divert from real issues.
BTW - The Constitution was written 300 years ago by men who had to compromise their religious, philosophical, and political views. Of course there would be some flaws. Unless you think the Constitution is the equivalent to the Bible?! (That statement is for you Neocon faithful that equate the Constitution to a "religious" proclamation).
Next...saying there are "flaws" within the Constitution is a hellava lot better than GW's claim that it's a goddamn piece of paper! -
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Leemck021 year, 1 month ago
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If the People did get scared from W's preemptive strikes, Patriot Act, economic policy leading to the financial melt down, trade policy and torture, Obama is a cake walk. McCain being a Republican, he will want to do as bad as 'W' and heaven help us if Palin inherits the Top Executive and CinC position.
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Just give it a rest, like we are that concerned about the nation, the Constitution when we would not challenge the voter irregularities in 2000 and 2004.
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erectoraz1 year, 1 month ago
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Absolutlofreakinamazing !!! I just imagine all these fools who voted for Obama. Standing in the middle of the road asking themselves. What the "F" happened??? All dazed and confused when their country is gone. Change is coming alright...Most certainly not the change they think.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 1 month ago
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What about all the fools that voted for Bush. Now they're standing in the middle of the road asking themselves what the f*ck happened. All dazed and confused that their house is gone, their job is gone and their savings are gone.
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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All dazed and confused when their country is gone.>>>>
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Just like you are right now. In 8 years bush and the fools who voted for him put the greatest nation in the world in the toilet. And here you are, rather than facing up to what you've done, trying to deflect to Obama being a boogey man! You haven't the courage to face what you've done with your ignorance, and actually want more of the same with mccain and a fool for a VP. Now THAT is "absolutlofreakingamazing!!!"
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Karlyc1 year, 1 month ago
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When you get sworn in as President you put your hand on the Bible and swear you will uphold the Constitution. Will Obama have to like about that ... or does he have a secret plan to fundamentally change the constitution. Scary stuff.
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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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Hmm. I think that Sarah Palin's ties to a group sworn to overthrow the government from within the current parties and another group sworn to Alaska's succession from the US are a little more scary.
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But then those are known insanities as opposed to lies, hints and oblique references and assumptions. -
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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This tripe reflects nothing. There was obviously a more entailed discussion that has been omitted, so you can't tell what 'the' funamental flaw is that Obama was addressing. Taking things out of context is typical dirty CON politics. And guess what. Americans are sick of it.
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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jordan11,
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You can HEAR Obama, in his OWN voice, say what he calls a "FLAW" at either Yahoo or AOL news; this morning's editions, 27OCT08. Will that suffice? Somehow I doubt it. There were those who pshaw-ed Hitler's "Mien Kampf" too. He wasn't KIDDING about his published plans. But history can teach nothing to FOOLS. "This time", they tell themselves, "it will be different." This IS NOT to equate Sen.Obama with the Nazis, this is to show that some people will DENY no matter what the evidence. WAKE UP! -
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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If I were to sport a guess, I suspect he was referring to the Constitution's original legitimization of slavery and commenting that the consequences of that legitimization are continuing to this day. Like Jordan11 and earthlingerer I'd like to hear more of the context the statement occurs in.
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You'll notice he did say that the constitution is a remarkable document and he respects it. I also notice that the usual suspects are immediately eating up this as an "Obama wants to overthrow the constitution" conspiracy, without asking what he was actually saying. -
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Magowah1 year, 1 month ago
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Um, you do realize there was a constitutional amendment concerning slavery, the right to vote, forbidding discrimination based on race, national origin etc...? If there was a "flaw" it has long since been corrected. The country "changed" a long time ago, and but for the constant resurrection of the "slavery card", that change would have been sufficient.
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Ratskii1 year, 1 month ago
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Of course I do. the 13th Amendment, reinforced by the 14th and 15th Amendments. But, as Obama appears to be saying, many of the attitudes reflected in the original constitution are still around among some parts of the population.
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By the by, the Constitution can have flaws, but still be a valid document as a whole. -
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jordan111 year, 1 month ago
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If there was a "flaw" it has long since been corrected. >>>>>
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On paper, by subsequent generations. And yet, subsequent generations of bigots hold true to the belief that black Americans are 'inferior', and had that been addressed from the git, might never have been set down from generation to generation. On the other hand, addressing it then may have caused such a rucus among the colonists, many wouldn't have joined the cause for THEIR freedom.
Of course from the perspective of a black man, given the treatment of the black race over the centuries, it's an honest view that not addressing it then was a flaw.
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Karlyc1 year, 1 month ago
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Obama explained his statement in the other tape circulating on the other thread. As explained here: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFhYzIzMGQ1Y...
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"And uh, to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution — at least as it’s been interpreted, and [the] Warren Court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: [it] says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf."
The United States of America — five percent of the world’s population — leads the world economically, militarily, scientifically, and culturally — and by a spectacular margin. Any one of these achievements, taken alone, would be cause for enormous pride. To dominate as we do in all four arenas has no historical precedent. That we have achieved so much in so many areas is due — due entirely — to the structure of our society as outlined in the Constitution of the United States.
The entire purpose of the Constitution was to limit government. That limitation of powers is what has unlocked in America the vast human potential available in any population.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Hate to break in on your myths Karly, but the US trails most of the industrial world in numerous areas: health care, press freedom, publication of new science, industrial efficiency, high tech exports, ....
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We have been deteriorating steadily ever since Reagan started "trickle up" to the super-rich and 40% of Americans lost their savings and became net debtors. -
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Magowah1 year, 1 month ago
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"...many of the attitudes...are still around in some parts of the population..." Last I heard, couldnt legislate someone's attitude! As long as there are people around, where-ever in the world, some will have good and some will have bad attitude. The only way to rid a country of people with "bad attitudes" is to do what Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Pol Pot, etc...tried to do---and even that ultimately fails as long as the good ole USA with its bad attitude in upholding the Constitution, continues to do just that.
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Karlyc1 year, 1 month ago
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I wish someone could rationally explain why anyone who claims to love their country would think the constitution is so bad that it is fundamentally flawed.
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To me it seems you have to be harboring an enormous amount of hostility to seriously hold such beliefs, and then go on the radio to announce them.-
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Pecossam1 year, 1 month ago
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Karlyc,
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As best I can figure, this is really all about the "Gimmes". The schools are never good enough, their neighborhoods are never good enough, Liberia wasn't good enough, King-Drew Hospital in Watts wasn't good enough. Why is it that nearly ANY OTHER ethnic group can be given what the blacks were given and MAKE A SUCCESS OF IT? Sound Racist? I don't really give a fig anymore, and if the FACTS sound "RACIST", that's too bad. There's is NO WAY one can have a MEANINGFUL dialogue if one can't mention the elephant in the living room. All one will ever hear from this segment of our population is what's wrong: ANYTHING and EVEYTHING BUT THEIR GROUP. LOOK IN THE MIRROR, DAMMIT! Slavery, yes it was most horrendous...BUT IT IS OVER---GET OVER IT and get off of your collective keisters and DO SOMETHING like every other ethnic group in this country---the greatest country on earth! There, I've said it, now ADDRESS IT. Oh I see; screw the facts, LET'S GET THE MESSANGER CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY! You, my Black Brothers and Sisters have the answer...YOU ARE THE ANSWER... GET TO WORK ON IT and don't look for false messiahs like THE ONE! This country WAS NOT built on GIMME! -
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 1 month ago
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I don’t think that anyone said that it was “so bad”. The American Constitution was, and is, a inspired and inspiring document. But, it is not perfect. It has been amended and it will continue to be amended. Anyone who fears change is doomed.
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The “mediocre book”, on the other hand, is pure unadulterated pixie twaddle. -
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AJ771 year, 1 month ago
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Come on, our founding fathers never intended us to look at the constitution blindly. To accept it as imutable. We are not talking about the Bible. We are talking about a document written by mortal, human beings capable of error. It is a fool that follows something blindly. It provides provisions to change it. Do you think our founding fathers did that so that it was never meant to change? Our founding fathers were radical, revolutionary, daring and they loved this country. I believe you can question the Constitution and be a patriot. American's were never meant to settle for the average. We are to push for the best. If that means finding flaws and fixing them, so be it. What are you people afraid of? I am a smart individual, voted republican (ALOT), but I just don't get the fear. American's were never meant to sit still and just ignore societies troubles. Something to your core feels threatened. I wish I knew what it was.
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pboccuti1 year, 1 month ago
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It is fundamentally flawed. It was written by slave owners who wanted to be free.
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If it wasn't fundamentally flawed we would not need admendments. While it is fundamentally flawed, it is still the best "piece of paper" ever written.
I think the Constitution is great even though it has it's flaws. Everything else man created is flawed, why not the Constitution?
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Ignis1 year, 1 month ago
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Context is ambiguous, also this video that keeps getting linked to about it is on youtube and disallows comments, which says a lot about the whole thing.
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The federal reserve was a mistake, Ron Paul declares that clearly, but that certainly wasn't intentioned by the founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson expressed quite clearly how dangerous the banks are, so I doubt he means that.
Obama could mean the electoral college, that's certainly garbage. But perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
I'm glad he plans on doing something for social security though, there's really nothing more patriotic then something Thomas Paine came up with and it's helped many people, we don't need someone like Reagen (McBushe's Hero) coming in and raping it again.
But as for slavery, I don't know he could mean that, like I said too ambiguous, no one should be satisfied without hearing what flaw he's talking about, for the sake of honesty to themselves.
Anyway people let me end this post by pointing out something obvious, if the constitution "written by men" is flawless than why did we need amendments? Sounds like some sort of idol worship to me.
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Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago
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There you go again quoting the "drugged" Drudge report.
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(for those who don't know Drugde you are better off)
Anyway, Jamie (guy, girl- can't tell) the only threat to the Constitution is our current president and his administration that collaborated in violating the laws of the land. -
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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the fundemental flaw that this marxist monster sees in our constitution is that it spells out what he calls negative rights..that is what the limits of what govt can do TO its citizens..in obamaworld the constitution goes out the window and would be replaced be a "document" that spells out what the govt is required to do FOR its citizens..theres no context or fox shading here..barry sees everything through his racist socialist view of this country..just like his redistribution of wealth gaffe..thats what he believes..thats why he stayed at rev wrongs church..thats who he is
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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but all this wont matter to the obama kool-aid drinkers..if they think that obama will make them richer at he expense of the 250,000 earner..WRONG..the obama socialist plan is for everyone to be at the same level ..broke and dependent on the govt fot their daily ration of rice
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AJ771 year, 1 month ago
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Huhh - I drink wylers ... not kool aid. Store brand is even better because its cheaper. What are you talking about. Again, you peole have an irrational fear. Should I dare say that you are afraid that black men and white men will be viewed equally? Hmmm, losing power is a scary thing isn't it. Don't worry, its not going to happen.
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By the way, I have a feeling that a lot of you Obama haters are Christian fundamentalist, as am I, however, I believe in the true fundamentals of Christianity, not hate.
Jesus gave us all a FREE gift. One that we DID NOT deserve. As good as you think that you are, the bible says that we are not good enough. There is none righteous - no not one. He says what we earn for our sin is death, but Jesus gives us grace - Life that we DO NOT earn.
My question to you is. If a Holy God can have mercy on you - save your miserable souls from hell, then why can't you have mercy on others.
Its quite sad. You think poverty and dispair cannot happen to you. I used to think like that too, then life happened to me, buddy, and it can happen to you.
If you were to be in poverty and tried as you might to get your things in order, but just couldn't - Obama might not sound too bad. Pride comes before th fall - be careful.
I say this from experience.
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ningyo1 year, 1 month ago
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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You moron republiscum panty waist cowards think since you have a accounting degree your daddy paid for you are the poster boys for self sufficiency and the american way.
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You are driving on roads built by working class, living and working in buildings built by working class, enjoying freedom built by working class democratic soldiers some of whom died in battle, and now, like the panty waisted yellow bellied cowards you are, never worked a day on your cowards live, you are whining about socialism, because you are too lazy to educate your ignorant mind on the difference between socialsim and democracy.
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Beau78901 year, 1 month ago
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I see, ningyo.
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The Census Bureau will tell you that there are more people on welfare in rural areas than in cities.Do a little research.
So let's get down to what the real problem is.
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ningyo1 year ago
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actually..its only in the cities where people do look like me..when i travel to flyover country im more often than not the only "other" in the room..how bigoted and racist of YOU to assume what my background is...and i say "other" because for most of my life (before political correctness)that was my option..there was white..black..and other..im an other..and i dislike cities for other reasons..lived in NYC for years..dont now..like the country better..it smells better here...i have chipmunks and bunnies in the yard..now i dont need to live in a city for my work so i dont
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ChefEOD1 year, 1 month ago
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Check out this one...
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Tcaros1 year, 1 month ago
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The Republican party is the "party of the gimmick."
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Here's how it works.... you dig up something and present it out of context. Then you patent a product and try and pass it off like it's popular.
Does anyone remember the McCain tire guage? No. I thought so. McCain needs that tire guage for his "straight talk express." It's got a flat tire.-
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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Republican strategy (tactic sustitution, since they really have no strategy, no plan, no policy, other than to make the rich richer)
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LIE......., repeat,..........lie............repeat...............
swiftboat..............lie.............repeat
The repugnicon policy for America.
This also summerizes Faux Noise billionaire australian Murdock, and their echo, CNN/ Time warner/ AOL/ Propeller.
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NoWayMan1 year, 1 month ago
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like the first respondant said on the amerpundit blog post page: "So WHAT is the fundamental flaw/blind spot in the constitution that Obama is talking about? Providing some context for this clip would be nice!"
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and considering that the GOP has done more in the last 8 years to destroy our constitution than Obama ever could...
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Klarissa1 year, 1 month ago
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Obama wants the Supreme Court to stop defending the part that says what the government CANNOT do to the people (think King George) and wants the Court to tell the Government what it Must do.
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As as example of on one of his plans:
"Obama proposes to achieve almost universal service for the nation’s 17 million college students by offering a refundable annual tax credit of $4,000 toward college tuition. This program should cost about $65-100 billion a year, perhaps more if it substantially increases the number of students attending college.
In return for the credit, college students will be required to perform 100 hours of community service every year for four years.
By offering college students a hefty $40 an hour, Mr. Obama will ensure that nearly every college student will participate in his program,
without actually making their service mandatory."
Notice that last phrase:
Just give money to college students so that they will vote for him, under to direction of the Supreme Court, but with no personal responsibility.
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csunbean1 year, 1 month ago
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Heck Obama doesn't care about the consitution. His GLOBAL POVERTY ACT helps not one American. His actions help his Nonnegotiable Commitment to Africa.
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Presidents are supposed to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!
He is a fake a fraud, and maybe even a Satanists. SATANISTS are Supporting and Promoting Obama on youtube. WHY? Maybe because his Black Theology religion believes," Any GOD that doesn't work for the DESTRUCTION of the White enemy should be KILLED." SO this would mean Jesus and Christianity should be killed. Obama can't follow his religion and follow the constitution! The two are opposed.
Satanists for Obama on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvdm3EA5cE-
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pboccuti1 year, 1 month ago
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Jesus Christ, now Obama is a Satanist? you can't be a Muslim and a Satanist.
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I am not going to be polite with my words anymore.
When will you stupid idiots grow up and use more then jsut one brain cell.
I can't stand all the stupid people who inhabit this country.
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