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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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The 9/11 plot depended upon George Bush ignoring the numerous warnings he was given by the intelligence community and depended upon his close ties to the Bin Laden family, which provided Bush with three of the many companies he drove into the ground before driving the US into the toilet.
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Patience1 year, 1 month ago
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"The 9/11 plot depended upon George Bush ignoring the numerous warnings he was given by the intelligence community"
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You mean that same intelligence community that said there was WMD in Irag?
Everybody listened then and turns out we were wrong. They prob cried wolf to many times so we ignored it, Then the wolf came and went. The next cry we acted and now we look like fools. Sounds like someone is playing games.-
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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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Actually, the intelligence community said there was overwhelming evidence that there weren't WMDs in Iraq. BushCo cherrypicked the 'evidence' they wanted and then forced people to spout it as truth. I swear. Americans can barely remember what happened two weeks ago much less eight years ago.
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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No.
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The same Intelligence community that repeatedly said there was no evidence of WMDs, nor for any attempts to acquire them, and then had members of staff fired for doing their job well, and refusing to provide 'politicized' intelligence on demand -- add rinse repeat -- until they found folks more interested in retaining their jobs than providing accurate intelligence, and caved to Cheney's demands for false analyses.
NO ONE who was actually listening to the intelligence community should have ever thought that the claims of the Administration about WMD were true.
The yellow cake nonsense had been easily identified as forgeries, at least as early as the October preceding when the Administration trotted it out as 'proof'. (This was known publicly, and details of the forgery had even been repeatedly covered in the mainstream news.)
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This is a completely bogus story, anyway. Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
The hijackers were in the US -->LEGALLY<--.
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reidgator1 year, 1 month ago
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Dionys, you are the one doing the “cherrypicking”!
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In Sept, 2002, Bush announced his plans to invade Iraq and gave his justification for the invasion in his address to the United Nations General Assembly (September 12, 2002): “The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of U.N. demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?”
Note that Bush did NOT use the alleged WMDs to justify the invasion. It was Saddam’s violation of 17 UN resolutions. Resolution 1441 authorized the use of force as of December 7, 2002, the deadline that had been set by the Security Council on November 8, 2002.
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix (a Swedish constitutional lawyer) opposed the invasion. But he states in his book (“Disarming Iraq”) that "Saddam failed to meet the requirements of UN Resolution 1441, that he showed his contempt for them in fact, and that they were a legal justification for force."
There was one way for Saddam to stop the invasion. All Saddam had to do was leave Iraq. US forces waited for 48 hours to give him time, but he refused. That was the real reason for the invasion - regime change - and the existence or non-existence of WMDs was secondary.
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"In the 4 years since the inspectors [were kicked out of Iraq], intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001….It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security.”
Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 Senate floor before her vote in favor of authorizing the president to go to war in Iraq.
Was Hillary lying? Did Bill Lie? How about Al Gore? Sandy Berger, Madaline Albright, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi?
The TRUTH is this: Those of you accusing Bush of lying are the real liars!-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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The Project for the New American Century.
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The People versus the Powerful is the oldest story in human history. At no point in history have the Powerful wielded so much control. At no point in history has the active and informed involvement of the People, all of them, been more absolutely required.
By William Rivers Pitt
02/25/03 -- - The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington-based think tank created in 1997. Above all else, PNAC desires and demands one thing: The establishment of a global American empire to bend the will of all nations. They chafe at the idea that the United States, the last remaining superpower, does not do more by way of economic and military force to bring the rest of the world under the umbrella of a new socio-economic Pax Americana.
The fundamental essence of PNAC's ideology can be found in a White Paper produced in September of 2000 entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." In it, PNAC outlines what is required of America to create the global empire they envision. According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
Most ominously, this PNAC document described four "Core Missions" for the American military. The two central requirements are for American forces to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars," and to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions." Note well that PNAC does not want America to be prepared to fight simultaneous major wars. That is old school. In order to bring this plan to fruition, the military must fight these wars one way or the other to establish American dominance for all to see.
Why is this important? After all, wacky think tanks are a cottage industry in Washington, DC. They are a dime a dozen. In what way does PNAC stand above the other groups that would set American foreign policy if they could? Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the disputed election of George W. Bush, and the attacks of September 11th. When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive policy.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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Vice President Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC, along with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group. Bruce Jackson, a PNAC director, served as a Pentagon official for Ronald Reagan before leaving government service to take a leading position with the weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin.
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PNAC is staffed by men who previously served with groups like Friends of the Democratic Center in Central America, which supported America's bloody gamesmanship in Nicaragua and El Salvador, and with groups like The Committee for the Present Danger, which spent years advocating that a nuclear war with the Soviet Union was "winnable."
PNAC has recently given birth to a new group, The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which met with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in order to formulate a plan to "educate" the American populace about the need for war in Iraq. CLI has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to support the Iraqi National Congress and the Iraqi heir presumptive, Ahmed Chalabi. Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court in 1992 to
22 years in prison for bank fraud after the collapse of Petra Bank, which he founded in 1977. Chalabi has not set foot in Iraq since 1956, but his Enron-like business credentials apparently make him a good match for the Bush administration's plans.
PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report is the institutionalization of plans and ideologies that have been formulated for decades by the men currently running American government. The PNAC Statement of Principles is signed by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, as well as by Eliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, Bush's special envoy to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad, and many others. William Kristol, famed conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, is also a co-founder of the group. The Weekly Standard is owned by Ruppert Murdoch, who also owns international media giant Fox News.
The desire for these freshly empowered PNAC men to extend American hegemony by force of arms across the globe has been there since day one of the Bush administration, and is in no small part a central reason for the Florida electoral battle in 2000. Note that while many have said that Gore and Bush are ideologically identical, Mr. Gore had no ties whatsoever to the fellows at PNAC. George W. Bush had to win that election by any means necessary, and PNAC signatory Jeb Bush was in the perfect position to ensure the rise to prominence of his fellow imperialists. Desire for such action, however, is by no means translatable into workable policy. Americans enjoy their comforts, but don't cotton to the idea of being some sort of Neo-Rome.-
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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On September 11th, the fellows from PNAC saw a door of opportunity open wide before them, and stormed right through it.
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Bush released on September 20th 2001 the "National Security Strategy of the United States of America." It is an ideological match to PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report issued a year earlier. In many places, it uses exactly the same language to describe America's new place in the world.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
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On September 11th, the fellows from PNAC saw a door of opportunity open wide before them, and stormed right through it.
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Bush released on September 20th 2001 the "National Security Strategy of the United States of America." It is an ideological match to PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report issued a year earlier. In many places, it uses exactly the same language to describe America's new place in the world.
Recall that PNAC demanded an increase in defense spending to at least 3.8% of GDP. Bush's proposed budget for next year asks for $379 billion in defense spending, almost exactly 3.8% of GDP.-
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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Sigh.
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Talk about a gift for blurring the line between opinion and fact.
In your opinion you don't lend it credence.
Stating that you hold a given opinion makes for an amazingly weak, and completely pointless fact, since it isn't any stronger than the opinion to which it refers.
It certainly doesn't qualify as a fact that would counter any of what Hannibal just posted, which is documentable, as both of his references are a matter of public record.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Redi, even the Republican House Majority Leader of the time, Dick Armey, says Bushie and the zioncons lied to americans, the congress and the world to get their war for oil and israel in iraq.
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You should take time out from the sect and begin to educate yourself. Then you can begin to act like an American patriot instead of goosestepping.
Conservative: Are Bush/Cheney Offenses Impeachable?
Have President Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney committed impeachable offenses for which they should be convicted and removed from office by duping then-House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey into supporting legislation authorizing war against Iraq with twin lies -- that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had personal ties to Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; and that Saddam had miniaturized nuclear weapons, which could be unleashed by employing al Qaeda as a delivery system?
.... After discovering the truth, Mr. Armey lamented he could probably have prevented the Iraqi war debacle: "Had I known or believed then what I believe I know now, I would have publicly opposed the resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening, and I believe I would have done a better service to my country had I done so."
...Mr. Armey should be summoned to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee about his statements in "Angler" implicating Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney in lies to dupe the House of Representatives over war in Iraq. The president and vice president should be given an opportunity to respond under oath but subject to cross-examination.
If the totality of evidence corroborates Mr. Armey's recollection, shouldn't the House immediately vote to impeach Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and send their cases for trials in the Senate? Wouldn't that action honor the original intent of the Founding Fathers that the Bush administration professes to cherish?
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/24/conserva...
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reidgator1 year, 1 month ago
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Dionys,
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You also ignore that the 19 hijackers enter the country under Clinton's watch. While intelligence knew they were up to something, no one knew WHERE or WHEN. And because they carried out the attack on Bush's watch, it was GW's fault? Even Billary has refused to make that claim. Just what do you suggest that GWB should have done? Just what options did GWB and the FBI have that would not have satisfied your concerns about justice and our liberties.
I am a Democrat, but I get really angry when people blame Bush unfairly. They just want a scapegoat. As long as we are looking for scapegoats, we are not going to find solutions. Too many Americans refuse to take responsibility for their own problems.
We created our own problems with our:
- addiction to oil (we each use 5X the world's average)
- overabundance and misuse of SUVs (some people can justify owning a SUV)
- our greedy consumption of cheap imports (that is why 4M+ jobs have gone overseas)
- gluttonous and shameful waste of health care resources
- failure to exercise simple self-discipline (we eat and drink way too much)
- lack of WISE environmental responsibility (another reason for jobs moving overseas)
- insistence on easy credit and big houses
- failure to instill a solid work ethic in our children
and the list goes on.
That is why this is one MORE Democrat who is voting for McCain.
I do not want the POTUS, McCain or Obama, to make personal decisions for me and my family. I do not want the "guv'mint" taking care of me. That is NOT how America became the great nation it is! Yes- we have our problems, but, no other country is without their problems. I think in spite of our problems, we are the best country in the world and I am tired of liberal @$$holes trying to convince everyone that we suck!-
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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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"- addiction to oil (we each use 5X the world's average)
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- overabundance and misuse of SUVs (some people can justify owning a SUV)
- our greedy consumption of cheap imports (that is why 4M+ jobs have gone overseas)
- gluttonous and shameful waste of health care resources
- failure to exercise simple self-discipline (we eat and drink way too much)
- lack of WISE environmental responsibility (another reason for jobs moving overseas)
- insistence on easy credit and big houses
- failure to instill a solid work ethic in our children
and the list goes on"
I'm with you here. But you lost me when you said you're voting for McCain who stands for all that gluttony and the things you say have created the US's problems.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well Reid, you are so poorly informed that it is easy to fleece you. Apparently you bought into the "trickle-up" scam lock, stock and barrel. You have very little independence to choose anything in your life when the system is rigged so that you live in permanent debt in a "company town". Take off your blinders and begin to show some real backbone.
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America's Own Kleptocracy »
Nobody expected industrial capitalism to end up like this. A kleptocratic class has taken over the economy to replace industrial capitalism.
America has entered into a new war – a War to Save Computerized Derivative Traders. Like the Iraq war, it is based largely on fictions and entered into under seeming emergency conditions – to which the solution has little relation to the underlying cause of the problems. On financial security grounds the government is to make good on the collateralized debt obligations packaged (CDOs) that Warren Buffett has called “weapons of mass financial destruction.”
Hardly by surprise, this giveaway of public money is being handled by the same group that warned the country so piously about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Pres. Bush and Treasury Secretary Paulson have piously announced that this is no time for partisan disagreements over this shift of public policy to favor creditors rather than debtors. There is no time to make the biggest bailout in election history an election issue. Not an appropriate time to debate whether it is a good thing to re-inflate housing prices to a level that will continue to oblige new home buyers to go so deeply into debt that they must pay some 40 percent of their take-home pay on housing....
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most_reasonable1 year, 1 month ago
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"You also ignore that the 19 hijackers enter the country under Clinton's watch. While intelligence knew they were up to something, no one knew WHERE or WHEN. And because they carried out the attack on Bush's watch, it was GW's fault? Even Billary has refused to make that claim. Just what do you suggest that GWB should have done?"
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Remember:
"Ms Rice" what was the title of the CIA report that you and Ashcroft chose to disregard?"
"OH YOU MEAN, MUSLIMS PLANNING TO ATTACK AMERICAN CITIES WITH HIJACKED AIRCRAFT?"
"What did Ashcroft do?"
"OH, HE WAS VERY BUSY COVERING THE STATUES AT THE DOJ....VERY NAUGHTY...HIGHEST PRIORITY".
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Dion...
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Ah...the oft-mentioned August 8 memo. The one with that all-too suspicious title. The title that came from Philippine intelligence about Bin Laden flying aircraft into buildings. The one that Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee said was old news...c. 1999. I think we all know who was ignoring al-Qaeda in 1999.
Nice try. No really....that is clearly A-plus effort on your part. Your rapier insight is priceless. Just because we conservatives dismissed your lie YEARS AGO is no reason to stop repeating it.
Hey...tell us the one about John McCain being the ringleader of the Keating scandal. Just one more time....pleeeeze??? ...that one gets me every time.-
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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Nice try on your part. Really.
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"ignoring al Qaeda in 1999"
The phrase you're looking for is "igonorant of al Qaeda in 1999", which would have been the shrub, who was completely clueless -- and who continued to be after taking office.
Clinton had authorized the assassination of Bin Laden, if the opportunity presented itself, and his administration did make al Qaeda a priority. The outgoing administration specifically asked for time to brief the shrub on al Qaeda, and they were told not to bother because the new administration would be determining their own priorities.
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GehlLady1 year, 1 month ago
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From wiki:
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The national license/ID standards cover:
What data must be included on the card;
What documentation must be presented before a card can be issued; and
How the states must share their databases.
This may sound not so bad, but, you now will be required to, in essence, have a federal ID issued by the states in order get on a plane, do business of any kind, medicare included, with the federal government.
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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Several states have passed laws prohibiting that their DMVs comply. More of them should.
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Not only is 'Real ID' an unfunded attempted mandate, but DHS (let alone TSA) has NO authority to require or enforce Real ID be implemented in the manner they're attempting to do so.
The law they keep touting out as providing their authority in the matter even specifically stipulates that they have NO authority to create, are actually prohibited from creating a National ID. (That's why they're attempting to do an end run and make the states do it for them.)-
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GehlLady1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes, unfortunately Florida isn't one of them. Our Governor was Jeb Bush. Question: What is REAL ID?
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Answer: REAL ID is a nationwide effort to improve the integrity and security of State-issued driver licenses and identification cards, which in turn will help fight terrorism and reduce fraud.
Question: Does Florida plan to issue Real ID licenses and ID cards?
Answer: Yes, Florida has already met most of the requirements and is on track to begin issuing Real ID licenses and ID cards by no later than January 1, 2010.
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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Uh, dude, exactly what is to keep the same state workers issuing false drivers licenses now from issuing them with false insurance account numbers later?
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
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I live in DC and I just think it will be so cool to have a President and a Mayor who are both African American and who are my contemporaries. Very cool, indeed. Oh...Sorry. I'm off topic...hehe... Ok...And Nixie, isn't it better to have licensed and insured drivers than uninsured drivers with fake licenses sharing the road with you? ;
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Georgia501 year, 1 month ago
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You may feel free to ignore my logic. I was referring to actual cases of fraudulent licenses being issued to illegals. Big business here in Georgia. Fortunately each license can be tracked to the person who issued it. Almost down to the exact terminal it was keyed on and the minute it was keyed. Once the fraudulent driver is caught, finding the state employee behind it is merely a matter of time. Assuming it was not done by 3rd party document forgery.
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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Exactly. Nothing at all. Real ID accomplishes nothing other than to provide unnecessary police powers to the folks who failed to use the powers they already had, that were already more than sufficient.
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It's not a lack of police powers that led to 9/11. It was bureaucracy.
And the shrub's solution was what? Build a bigger bureaucracy, while actively attacking the Constitutional protections of innocent everyday citizens.
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orndorffter1 year, 1 month ago
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mesodude; you need not to exsplain anything to anyone, thats not you, be yourself, if you want a African American as president thats up to you and people shpuld keep their big nose ouy of other peoples affairs. I want an African American for my next presiden and the hell with what every one else wants.
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ibstilyn1 year, 1 month ago
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Nothing insane about it. It cuts down on UNLICENSED drivers causing accidents. They study , take the test and they have ID to cash checks with. The licensing proceedure weeds out those that shouldn't be driving . If they have a license and insurance , it's less likely to lead to a hit & run situation.
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Also.. the 9/11 hijackers were more dependant on getting lessons on flying a plane straight (with no instructions on takeoff or landing) from a flight school that didn't ask the right questions. Drivers licenses didn't help them much there.-
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ibstilyn1 year, 1 month ago
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What makes it "the Clinton" FBI? Maybe the agent was a republican who is in favor of "less government intervention".
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This from your revered FOX news http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52408,00.html
The operations manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix said she called the FAA inspector that oversaw her school three times in January and February 2001 to express her concerns about Hanjour.
January and February of 2001 makes it the BUSH FBI/FAA now doesn't it?
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cleare1 year, 1 month ago
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actually the clinton administration tried to brief the incoming bush administration about the imperative of some of the "chatter" they were picking up and about some odd reports they were getting from field agents about muslim students at flight schools who weren't interested in learning to land...
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but the bush administration brushed aside the warnings. they already had their focus fixed on iraq. i think cheney was quoted as saying he didn't want to hear anything else about al quada.
i guess you "forgot" about that. also about bush sitting like an idiot listening to a storybook when for all he knew, our country was under full blown attack.
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_-m-_1 year, 1 month ago
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It's hard to forget what you clearly know nothing about to begin with.
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The FBI doesn't report to the president.
It specifically reports to congress, not the President. That's why it wasn't rolled up into the new Keystone Cops, over in Fatherland Security.
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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Well here is Nixie once again trying to distract Americans from the disaster created by Bush and which McCain / Palin promise to continue.
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It is telling that the GOP has nothing more to offer than smear campaigns. Would you vote for a campaign that lies to you continuously? Nixie's post is more of the same of the kind we see repeatedly from a desperate GOP.
Arab Slave-trader Obama: The Little Lie, and How It Grew
Last week, Gayle Quinnell, a septuagenarian reactionary from Shakopee, Minnesota, confessed - on TV - to G.O.P. candidate John McCain that she fears Democratic candidate Barack Obama because " he's an Arab." McCain replied that, no, Obama's no Arab at all, but a " decent family man" (implying that the two depictions are mutually exclusive).
...To me, the more intriguing element of this bizarre exchange was the word "Arab," rather than the more common Obama epithets, "Muslim," "terrorist" and "Osama." Mrs. Quinnell's "Arab" formulation was just enough off-key to make me wonder where she picked it up...
No matter where I landed after Googling "obama, arab," I inevitably returned to the same damning quote. It goes: "Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side." Also: "Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president."
Holy Leopold's ghost, Batman!
As I continued searching, I unearthed this shocker, verbatim, on a dozen websites, including Yahoo!Answers. I found it cited by conservative superstars Rush Limbaugh, Monica Crowley and Laura Ingraham. Every repetition of this statistical proof that Barack Obama is "legally" Arab-American circles back to a Web blogger named Kenneth E. Lamb, a self-described journalist who claims a career of "writing and researching" for such august media outlets as the New York Times, the Miami Herald, the Pentecostal Herald and the Jewish Information Network.
...The above statement represents the sum total of Lamb's documentation. There are no footnotes, no genealogical lists, no weblink to the "Kenyan government." There is no proof of Lamb's assertion that every male ancestor of Barack Obama has an Arabic name. For all this "information," the only Web source - for poor gullible Gayle Quinnell, as well as Limbaugh, Crowley and Ingraham - is Ken Lamb.-
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hyperbola1 year, 1 month ago
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However, by delving into the Web beyond the point where Mrs. Quinnell hung up her mouse, I learned a few things about Obama's lineage. First, yes, his mom was white. Second, according to Wikipedia and Britannica, Barack Obama's African half originates in the Luo tribe, who fled their roots in Sudan, bound for Kenya, in roughly 1500 A.D. The Luo - who are black as the ace of spades - have no blood connection to the Arabs who invaded Sudan about 500 years ago. Until the early 20th century, Luos got by with only one name. Under British colonial rule, they were forced to take a family name. So Barack Obama's grandfather, Onyango, simply combined his name with his father's, relabeling himself Onyango Obama. Both names, by the way - according to Ethnologue.com - are Luo, not Arabic. Obama means "slightly bent."
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...For the record, according to the Sun-Times, prior generations of Barack Obama's male forebears (the Luos, until recently, never kept track of mothers' names) were named Mwiru, Sigoma, Owiny, Kisodhi, Ogelo, Otondi, Obongo and Obiyo.
So, what's the difference? Who cares if Barack Obama's forebears were Negro - as they appear to be - or Arab? For sane people, it's all the same. Most of us live side-by-side, in harmony, with Arab-Americans like Dr. Michael DeBakey, Jerry Seinfeld, Ralph Nader, Donna Shalala, Paula Abdul and Frank Zappa.
But Kenneth Lamb's point is that by lying about his Arabicity, Barack Obama is concealing his very identity. Hence, we cannot trust any word that comes out of his lying mouth. Lamb writes that if Obama were to admit that Mwiru, Owiny, Obiyo and Nyaoke were ALL Arab slave-traders, "Mr. Obama will have to admit that which he has never been forced to admit before, even in the face of the massive lies of his autobiography: Mr. Obama's entire projection of who he is, and what he is, is a lie."
Yeah, well, trouble is, according to the record, Obama is actually what he says he is - a half-caste darkie with a weird-ass name. So, how can we explain a growing posse of Web cadets out there - Gayle, Rush and Laura among them - who take Kenneth Lamb's dippy confection about Arabobama the Slave Prince of Wau at face value? Perhaps all we need to do is scroll back to a simpler, more analog era...
One of the Third Reich's lasting contributions to Western culture was the articulation by Nazi propaganda guru Joseph Paul Goebbels of a strategy he called the Big Lie - a whopper told so often, so brazenly and with such conviction that it morphs magically into Gospel in the minds of the masses. Today, the Big Lie remains alive and well, but - judging by Ken Lamb's blog, the Drudge Report and other Internet travesties - it's evident that the Web has spun a 21st-century subspecies of Goebbels' brainstorm: the Little Lie. .....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/20/arab-sla...-
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How desperate the zioncons like Nixie are to elect McCain! The israel-firsters really, really want to keep killing americans in the mideast for zionism. Will they be able to sucker enough americans with such silly stories?
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Neocons for McCain Take Action
...WASHINGTON - A group of hardline United States neo-conservatives and former Israeli diplomats were behind the controversial, allegedly Islamaphobic DVD which was recently distributed in US swing states ahead of November's presidential elections.
The 60-minute movie,Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West , was an initiative of the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), but produced by the Clarion Fund, an organization described as a "front" for Israeli group Aish Hatorah.
Some 28 million copies of Obsession are currently being inserted in newspapers and delivered by mail in key electoral swing states - such as Michigan, Ohio and Florida which, according to recent polling, could go either way.
.... Of course, the title of this nasty piece of work itself is beyond irony. Obsession is an apt term for a group of people who don't care if they bankrupt the United States of America, don't care if the price of oil hits $200 a barrel because of the wars they favor, and who really don't give a flying fig about how many of our sons and daughters die in those wars, nor about the many more millions of innocent people living in the Middle East who will be killed, wounded or made homeless if America escalates its "war on terror" to even greater heights under a McCain administration. So who is really obsessed? This crap is so obvious that even some cash strapped US newspapers have rejected the siren call of money and refused to distribute the DVD, a rare ethical stance indeed for anyone in the corporate media to take...
...So who is behind this massive effort to scare people into voting for the most likely candidate to start more wars in the Muslim world (uh, that would be you Johnny "POW" McCain)? Let's take a look. Here's a bit of info on who's behind the Clarion Fund:..
...here's a list of people associated with EMET in one capacity or another:
The group is headed by Sarah Stern, who began her activism on Israeli issues in opposition to the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and Palestinians. She made a career out of her activism in the far-right Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) as its national policy coordinator from 1998 through 2004.
Notable members of the advisory board include prominent hardline neo-conservatives, including former US UN ambassador the late Jeane Kirkpatrick; Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum; and the Hudson Institute's Meyrav Wurmser - the Israeli-born spouse of Vice President Dick Cheney's former top Middle East adviser, David Wurmser.-
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Other prominent neo-conservative members of the board include Center for Security Policy (CSP) president Frank Gaffney; former Central Intelligence Agency chief James Woolsey; and Heritage Foundation fellows Ariel Cohen and Nina Shea, who has served for years on the quasi-governmental US Commission for International Religious Freedom.
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The US-born and educated hardline deputy managing editor of the Jerusalem Post and senior fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs at Gaffney's CSP, Caroline Glick, is also an adviser. Glick, Pipes and Walid Shoebat, a "reformed" terrorist and EMET adviser, are all featured as experts in Obsession. Also among the top names of listed advisers to EMET are three Israeli diplomats. Two of them, ambassadors Yossi Ben Aharon and Yoram Ettinger, were among the three Israeli ambassadors whom then-Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin referred to as "The Three Musketeers" when they lobbied Washington in opposition to the Oslo accords. ...
...Well, that seems pretty clear now, doesn't it. These groups are run and controlled by a veritable who's who list of hard right Israeli and American Neoconservatives with a history of promoting war against Israel's "enemies" in the Middle East. Many of them hold current, or held former, prominent positions in US and Israeli governments, and all are aligned with the most pro-war and far right political factions in both countries. And they just happened to spend millions of dollars distributing an extremely biased and hateful propaganda DVD to millions of American families just in time to attempt to influence the outcome of the US Presidential race.
Does anyone seriously believe that the McCain campaign, run by a former Rove protege, Steve Schmidt, was unaware of this targeted effort in battleground states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Colorado, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, Missouri to convince people the "filthy wogs" are out to kill us all? Well, certainly not anyone who can keep a straight face while asserting McCain and his minions' "ignorance" of this effort which, surprise, surprise, came only days before the first debate between McCain and Obama on foreign policy was to be held. ..
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"One of the Third Reich's lasting contributions to Western culture was the articulation by Nazi propaganda guru Joseph Paul Goebbels of a strategy he called the Big Lie - a whopper told so often, so brazenly and with such conviction that it morphs magically into Gospel in the minds of the masses."
Something that you are prone to do yourself with your constant reverences to zionism.
In 2000 the muslim (arab) community in Florida and elsewhere PROUDLY committed their votes to G. W. Bush for his promise to the Saudis to be the FIRST American President to call for a Palestain state.
A little disappointed? Your mentioned a while ago your lineage to Iran. Time to rejoin your Muslim friends. The Sudan is nice this time of year and you can buy Black Christians on the Cheap.
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