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Posted By Nixie 1 year ago in NewsAsk a person why he/she is voting for Barack Obama and you will inevitably hear a response that begins with, “ Because I feel…” It actually made me sick listening to Sean Hannity’s "Man on the Street " radio segment last night. He asked a number of random (mostly college-aged) people who they were voting for and why. Everyone I heard said Obama. Every reason they gave was a ridiculous reason to vote for a candidate.
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Nixie1 year ago
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"Some of the greatest leaders the United States has ever known were terrible, completely uninspiring speakers. Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln are just two that would fall into that category. Yet, according to many Obama-supporters, Obama’s ability to inspire and his talk of hope and change seems to be his biggest qualification for being our next president. What about experience? What about leadership ability? What about fundamental, American principle?"
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But he's such a great orator!!! He says nothing, but he does it so nicely!!!-
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sinophil491 year ago
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Nixie - If you think about the last election of Bush, his entire campaign was built on the emotions of fear and paranoia. Fear of WMD's, fear of terrorism, fear of infiltrators into our society, fear of Muslims in general. The Republicans portrayed themselves as the only politicians who could defeat the forces of terrorism.
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McCain, too has played on fear, though not as blatantly. He says Obama is not ready to be president. Unspoken is the part where McCain hints that Obama is not ready to take on the terrorists.
McCain and Palin keep alluding to an association of Obama with Jeremiah Wright and to Bill Ayers. Again, there is a play to fear Obama because he may secretly be a Muslim, or a radical leftist and adopt Black, radical policies guided by Ayers and by Wright. Then there is the charge of Obama being a socialist or communist, that he will take away wealth and transfer it to the poor. The poor are just a faceless mass of money-thirsty zombies who will suck up all that cash and turn normal white folks into poor folks.
Of course there is a great deal of emotion in any election. Who isn't afraid of losing your house or becoming more dependent on oil from Muslim countries?
But think about it. The emotion that Obama inspires most is hope. Maybe an undefined, incoherent hope for many of the poor and those who have lost their homes. Maybe they can not clearly verbalize what they are hoping for. But isn't hope a better emotion to evoke to inspire a vote instead of fear?
I myself have read the policies of both candidates about health care, tax plans, foreign policies, military plans for Iraq and Afghanistan. I have listened to all 4 national debates.
I have watched the demeanor and behavior of the 3 men and one woman thru the months of campaigning and their responses to the mortgage and credit collapse.
I have watched the anger and racism that McCain and Palin arouse. I have watched the young folks of our country become inspired by Obama and how they now rouse themselves to participate in the glorious responsibility of voting
Obama clearly is the better candidate for this historical juncture and for this generation.
Please read both websites about all their policies and a variety of editorial analyses and opinions of both candidates. Obama does say a lot of substantive matter. You must educate yourself on both sides. I have.-
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BB641 year ago
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Which ones? When he promised to take federal funding and then backing out of his "promise"?
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How about his promise to bring people together. If he continues on this path and wins, I see a repeat of history. I see a great division. They're following a playbook written by the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler. He has most of the press, after the fairness doctrine ends talk radio, his party will control all of the media. His party will hold the House, Senate and the White House. We've seen what happens when they control a state like Wisconsin or Michigan. Now it will be the whole nation. Jobs will go away as businesses are taxed to death. Like the NKVD, Gestapo, SS, SA or KGB, he's promised to create a civilian security force equal to our military. For what? Gun collections? Who would control them? The "Party" bosses? The more I'm hearing the more it reminds me of the stories of Austria in 1938. A part of my family left only days before the Anschluss. We supported the Engelbert Dollfuss. Not a good thing when he was opposed to Hitler. As I was saying, this is exactly how they started. First winning, then the taxes, restrictions, and security. You guys always claimed Bush was the bad guy. I think we're seeing an iron curtain being drawn in our own nation.
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cmm123051 year ago
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McCain is not ready to be President. He's an angry old man with poor judgment. Why did he challenge his party and vote with Bush 90% of the time? Good question, I'm thinking it was probably because everyone else had enough sense to know Bush was flushing us down the commode and McCain didn't. Look at his choice of running mate? Not a very "bright" choice.
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4thchance1 year ago
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Most who plan to vote for Obama will say they're voting for him because he will bring change.
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The problem I have with that so called "change" is that Obama has never really said what that change will be. He says crap like...He will raise taxes only on people who make over $250,000 per year, then he say's $200,000 then it was 175,000. The last I heard it was $120,000. I say if Obama is elected we ALL will pay more in taxes. Anyway, the bottom line is that Obama is full of CRAP. He has pulled the wool over many peoples eyes!-
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nostalgia1 year ago
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Here's Obama's "Defining Moment" Ad
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Did you miss it or just not listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJvkRFKGgGw
Do you need a link to: Biden Changes Tax Policy! Now Obama Campaign Considers "The Rich" to be Those Making $150k+
It's on YouTube
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truthiness1 year ago
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if its a tax break at 200 for single and 250 for jointly (meaning their income is listed as one income) how is that a penalty? with two incomes the total should be larger, therefor by increasing the ceiling of those included in the tax break for the couples, he is benefiting marriage not punishing it.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Not really. 2 married people working in comparable professions making about the same salary, just say $200,000. One of them starts paying higher taxes at $50,000, not $200,000 even if they file separately because they both itemize. One reason for that could be if one of them owned a business as sole proprietor, and Obamas talking gross, not net.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
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You should stop being so cynical.
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Only good cabinet appointments and an effective staff can get any good legislation through the house, and only after the President gains their support
Bush had the support of many nations and both parties after 9/11
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year ago
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Vote for the one that appears presidential!
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sjmxrHygBno/SQVUNVRLYMI/...
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Not a doctored photo.
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era1 year ago
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Nixie,
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I'm sorry your candidate doesn't inspire the passion that Obama does.
He makes people feel powerful. This is the kind of leadership our country needs right now.
Not the rich getting richer and Cons manipulating the masses with fear.
We're tired of the petrol dictators,tired of seeing our earth get sicker and sicker with no acknowledgement of responsibility.We are better as a country united,that is part of Obama's message
Yes,I've been moved to tears by his words and vision for our country.
I've always gone with my gut feelings in my life and it has served me well.
I truly FEEL Obama will be a great leader and change will come.-
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RickyDawkins1 year ago
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Nice knowing ya Connie! I bet you won't be flexing your Republican Intellect around here for much longer!
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"Another Con bites the dust"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Here is a list of intellectual Republicans for you. http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3341
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y_soitenly1 year ago
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era,
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re: "Yes, I've been moved to tears by his words and vision for our country."
OMG! The tears that fill your eyes now? Are you kidding me? L.O.L.
Buy yourself some extra boxes of Kleenex. You will need them. Later on, you can use whatever is left for when Obama screws up the US even more than it is now, that is, IF, he is elected.-
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era1 year ago
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y & Fair,
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Is it better to be completely cynical and make fun of others?
It takes passion and conviction to make changes.
It's not ALL about feeling.
Obama is extremely intelligent and visionary He is an intellectual well aquainted with critical thinking.
Can't say that for the other ticket
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GehlLady1 year ago
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"The poor are just a faceless mass of money-thirsty zombies who will suck up all that cash and turn normal white folks into poor folks."
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There are plenty of 'white folks' that are already poor. Why does it have to come down to race?
"I have watched the anger and racism that McCain and Palin arouse"
It was Obama that said they're going to tell you that I don't look like them. It was Obama and his supporters that have focused on race.-
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sinophil491 year ago
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GehlLady - It was Mccain and Palin who were aiming their propoganda at rich and middle class whites to make them fear the poor.
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Obama was trying dispel the racism and prejudice by encouraging everyone to disregard the differences in his external appearance. It was McCain and Palin and the neocons who keep saying that Obama is different, that he has a muslim name, that he is a follower of Wright, that he is not a citizen, that he is actually a kenyan citizen. It was McCain and Palin who were playing on the subconscious racism and fears. Obama was mentioning it to dispel it.-
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Perhaps, but there were charges of the 'race card' being pulled between Clintons and Obamas campaign before the general election. I feel it was inevitable it would be an issue in the process of this election, and I fervently hope it can now be put away.
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Since you mentioned Rev. Wright, I do feel he was fair game due to Obamas words, that he was a mentor, and all the accolades Obama gave him early in his campaign. I felt John McCain showed much class in taking the issue off the table because, imho, it was too racially tinged to be examined without the true racists and lunatics becoming the issue instead of the other radical statements made by Rev. Wright, ie 9/11 and HIV.
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markmawn21 year ago
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Apparently I got negged for a misunderstanding. The STORY is the STORY of a man who went from ordinary to extraordinary and changed the landscapes of political discourse forever. THAT is the STORY! and THAT is what MATTERS MOST HERE! Otherwise, you get the tired old crazy white rich guy wins again story.
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markmawn21 year ago
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Maybe that's your problem that you don't feel anything, except maybe anger. Somehow hope has been knocked outta ya by your dad or something. Whatever the reason, feeling is what being human is about. It's the hate and anger that are a result of Fear and that's not healthy. Hope is a dynamic process.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Interesting take KISA452a,
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Ask a person why he/she is voting for John McCain and you will inevitably hear a response like this:
"Because I hate Obama, I hate Democrats, I hate Liburals, and I'm not too sure how I feel about Democracy."
"All I know is, I want to pay as little amount in taxes I can possibly pay ... but I want the biggest Military in the world ... bigger than all the other nations combined."
Then, they spit on the ground, unfold their arms, turn their baseball cap around, and walk off ... cursing.
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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I think we are om two different wave lengths here, Majority in who votes for whatever, is what I meant, and they come in all kinds of flavours, and they are supposed to respect the minority which is also all kinds of flavours, Majority rule is rich, poor, black, white, tall, short....opps short people have no rights LOL
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the_heat1 year ago
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Another stellar example of the many reasons we have to vote Obama:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381gFG4Crr8
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mesodude1 year ago
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--But Nixie, how could your conscience even allow you to press the send button to post a story on voter integrity when it was mere months ago that you said:
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"Sorry, I will stay home if my options are Hillary vs. McCain. If we are going to have a liberal president, then I want the Democratic party to get the blame when things get screwed up."
--?? I've never been more disappointed in you than now, Nixie. How could you? ;-(
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Nixie1 year ago
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We've been through this before, meso.
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1. Hillary isn't the opposition, is she? That was a qualifier.
2. Sarah Palin changed the entire scenario.
You are such a creepy little person, where do you find the time to scrabble through everyone's comments like that? I've made almost 3,000 comments myself, and I see you do this to everyone, so you must be searching through hundreds of thousands of comments. You have a serious mental problem and should seek help immediately.-
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mesodude1 year ago
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"We've been through this before, meso."
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--My sentiments exactly...Yet you persist in the lie that you're thoughtful and principled when it comes to voting and choosing your elected officials. Why, Nixie? ;-(
"1. Hillary isn't the opposition, is she? That was a qualifier."
--Yes, but Obama is even more of a liberal than Hillary so your "qualifier" defies logic and reasoning, Nixie. ;-(
"2. Sarah Palin changed the entire scenario."
--I considered asking you how Sarah Palin caused you to suddenly decide (way back in February) within a matter of days that you liked McCain (after you hated him) but I already have a headache. So I won't ask that question. Maybe someone else will ask you. But I won't. Not tonight. It's been a long day. ;-( -
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mesodude1 year ago
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"You are such a creepy little person, where do you find the time to scrabble through everyone's comments like that?"
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--You're making me blush, Nixie. ;-P And it's not that I have unlimited free time, it's that you cons lie, distort and rationalize with such wild abandon that showing you examples of your own lies is like spearing fish in a barrel.
"I've made almost 3,000 comments myself, and I see you do this to everyone, so you must be searching through hundreds of thousands of comments."
--Nixie, why are you blaming me for showing everyone that you have a habit of lying through your teeth? Is it my fault you're a hypocrite? If you don't like what you read about yourself, maybe you should stop lying and stop being a hypocrite? Just a suggestion. It's up to you, of course...I'm not one to push. That's not in my nature. I'm not a pushy guy.Just trying to be helpful. ;-(
"You have a serious mental problem and should seek help immediately."
--It thought we were discussing your unbelievably extreme hypocrisy and inability to be truthful to save your life, Nixie. Why won't you stay on topic? ;-(
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
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It is creepier to use deception and deny comments to suit your needs..
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You, Klarissa and Luzmyredpreztomato have led the pack in creepiness.
You're in your own league..Slowly followed by FSU and a small sad lot closely behind..
You deserve a crown!
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jovial1 year ago
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Emotions are better than outright ignorance. See a story here on some "McCain" supporters.
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UnusualSuspect1 year ago
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Nixie....
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Yes, Obama is a good speaker, debater and leader...no doubt about it...
And Bush...an excellent example of neither...(1/20/09...End of an Error)
And while it's Ok to be a great leader and a terrible speaker, why not go with a candidate who does both well? Vote for Obama if you want both...
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FairNBalanced1 year ago
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Oh come on.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U
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Klarissa1 year ago
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year ago
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Actually Lincoln is said to have been one of the greatest orators the nation has ever produced.
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Jefferson's brilliant oratories leading up to the establishment of this nation can not be denied.
So much of our national persona originates from him and his ability to communicate his ideas.-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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The Lincoln comparison is interesting on another level as well. He and Obama were both from Illinois. Both were heavily criticized by their opposition for being too inexperienced for the job. Yet Lincoln is regarded by most historians as being one of the greatest of American Presidents. Like one to include on Mt. Rushmore good.
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Now you want real government experience, let's look at some of the top contenders. Dick Cheney you would certainly be familiar with. You may not recognize the name of James Buchanan, Jr. He was president just before Lincoln. He had an enormous resume that included legislative and top executive branch experience. Far better a resume than John McCain, by the way. Yet he is on just about every American Historian's short list for worst presidents ever.
Although it looks like Dubya will ensure that he isn't ever accorded the bottom spot.
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sinophil491 year ago
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McCain backed Bush on abandonig Afghanistan and invading Iraq. McCain has consistently voted against funding for green energy research. He decided to launch all these negative attack ads. He precipitously decided to suspend his campaign and fly to Washington whenn all the experts and the senators already working on the financial collapse told him not to come. He became more of a distraction than a help. McCain decided precipitously to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate. Palin is probably the most unprepared VP candidate in the history of our Republic.
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These are not the decisions of a wise, confident man. These are the decisions of a desperate politician anxious to create the illusion of action when in fact, these were just an exhibition of showmanship and political grandstanding.
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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"Abraham Lincoln are just two that would fall into that category."
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I am one of those big quite guys.
My arms are a bit thicker than most folks calfs.
Not really proud of it, I just work hard for a living, and that is how the work has effected my body.
I do the best I can to hide my emotions, and my wife will attest that I do a good job of it.
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Oh well. I was trying to reply directly to Nixie.
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Nixie, if your premise is "Ask a person why he/she is voting for Barack Obama and you will inevitably hear a response that begins with, “ Because I feel…” you clearly forgot to ask me. I would have told you why I plan to vote for Obama in cold hard Mr. Spock logic. Read my posts here. I've been doing that, as have a lot of us. What have we read to dispute our logic? Smear and fear. appeals to hatred, distrust and fear. Last time I checked, Nixie, those were listed as feelings.
But who are lowly fellows like us. Ask General Colin Powell. His endorsement of Obama was as eloquent and thoughtful as any I have ever hear. Here are a few more thinking Republicans who have thoughtfully, not emotionally endorsed Obama.
* Lincoln Chafee, Former United States Senator from Rhode Island
* William Weld, Former Governor of Massachusetts
* Arne Carlson, Former Governor of Minnesota
* Wayne Gilchrest, Congressman from Maryland
* Charles Mathias, Former United States Senator and Congressman from Maryland
* Larry Pressler, Former Senator from South Dakota
* Richard Riordan, Former Mayor of Los Angeles;
* Lowell Weicker, Former Governor and Senator from Connecticut
* Claudine Schneider, Former Congressman from Rhode Island
* Harris Fawell, Former Congressman from Illinois
* Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor
* William Milliken, Former Governor of Michigan
* Phil Arthurhultz, Former Michigan State Senate Majority Leader
* Lou Thieblemont, Mayor of Camp Hill, Pennsylvania
* Linwood Holton, Former Governor of Virginia
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
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We "feel" bad that it took you this long to admit that you have no feelings..
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But, acknowledgment is the first step to recovery!!
Good luck!
We hope you get that human "feeling" before you grow to old to learn the beauty of having feelings.
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Natureboy1 year ago
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"That is because words are easy to come by.Experience and the ability to make wise decisions are what really matter."
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Right. Iffn' you go by words, which are the symbols by which we communicate and convey meaning, Obama is the clear winner. But we should ignore words; McCain is older, and so we can hope wiser, and more experienced. So McCain is the clear winner. Even if he proposed to nuke Milwaukee, those would just be words.
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GWHayduke1 year ago
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Injecting logic and reason where the nixie sock would believe your emotion resides is confusing to those who would believe the ridiculous premise of the story.
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chevydog1 year ago
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nature --I'd make the point that we are a very youth-oriented society. For much of our history, we've been that. Conservatism by its nature values past sentiments, ways of thinking, etc. Not that these are always necessarily correct--or necessarily wrong-- but those who are young often have no experience of them, past successes or failures, and what may have been learned or not from them.
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There are a number of societies, some of them pretty successful over the years, that automatically associate wisdom with advances in age; but ours isn't one of them.
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cleare1 year ago
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just because some one is eloquent does not automatically mean they are lying.
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just because some one is inarticulate does not automatically mean they are "one of the people".
the power of words is very important to a successful leader. they DO need to sway the masses to "believe what they say", and follow their "lead".-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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One of the biggest problems I think with USA trying to lead the world with guns all the time is the leaders never did their part when they were asked to go into harms way, always an excuse, but never a problem sending other peoples kids.
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Klarissa1 year ago
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It is a follow the money campaign.
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People voting for Obama think that they are going to have more money in their pockets because they believe his promises.
Hope doesn't bring money into the treasury.
He has so many programs, it will be interesting if he does what is good for the country or does a payback to his lobbyist advisors.-
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mesodude1 year ago
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"People voting for Obama think that they are going to have more money in their pockets because they believe his promises."
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Tangent0011 year ago
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A tax cut would be nice, but I'm doing well enough for myself and my sons without one. Obama is not 'buying' my vote with the promise of a tax cut, I just like his policies regarding energy, healthcare, foreign policy, the environment, etc.
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ChefEOD1 year ago
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Like shutting down the coal industry and causing electricity prices to skyrocket? That is what he is on record as saying is it not?
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How about cutting our military to the point where the Muslim nations no longer feel threatened by us?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year ago
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John McCain has no less than 177 lobbyists working on his campaign, including many of his top advisors. McCain’s own campaign manager continued to receive money from Freddie Mac until August 2008.
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The vast majority of Obama's funding has come fro individuals such as myself who send what they can in small amounts. I for instance have sent 50.00 whenever I could.
I love the idea that it is citizens who "own" the campaign - not corporate oligarchs.
Barack is a blow against the intolerant election-stealing xenophobes!
He's the right man for this country at this point in time!
Everytime I read a cockamamie submission from a far right wingnut I get out my checkbook and write the Obama camp another check.
I'm signing one right now!-
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DropkickaLib1 year ago
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Obama has fugitives from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae serving as his advisors and he is receiving much more big business money than McCain. Obama is the hedge fund candidate. Nice try. Much of Obama's funding can't be traced since it is in the form of electronic transfers.
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rosecityfriend1 year ago
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Maybe we should hold hands in a big circle and sing "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony." Oh wait, that was selling Coke. They're selling Obama here. "We are the world, we are the children." Oops, wrong cause. "Wahoo doray, wahoo doray, welcome Christmas, bring your light." oops, that's the Who's in Whoville. Well, sing, but please folks, if you're a grown-up, don't vote for someone whose main qualification is to "inspire."
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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dissent1 year ago
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i strongly disagree. you presumed you and wolfie were related because you agree. I concluded that this was possibly the product of inbreeding. therefore i offered both reason and debate. you, on the other hand, pulled out Predictably Boring & Standard Sanctimonious Response #564.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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I listened to the whole speech in where he calls for , exact quote "We can no longer rely on our military to achieve the security objectives we have set....." It's not as clear to me that he's talking about the organizations mentioned by Tangent that he does talk about. He also calls for middle school children be REQUIRED to perform 50 hours community service under threat of losing federal tax dollars for noncompliance. That gets too close to federal policing for me.
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rosecityfriend1 year ago
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Wolfie, yes, he's already training Obamabot children to sing it to their new Savior. Sad, we used to sing to our country, not to the leaders of our country. As far as the coke part, have you wondered what is in his medical records he is trying to hide?
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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Rose, I hadn't thought about that but yes what is he trying hide in his medical records. Then again he's hidden everything about himself that he possibly can..........yeah, why can't he be open and transparent? Isn't open and transparent how he said his government would be? Talks the talk but doesn't do the walk.
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y_soitenly1 year ago
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Wolfie2007,
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I wouldn't expect Obama to release his medical records. That's nobody's business. There's a federal law that protects everyone in the US to guard against that specific intrusion.
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RickyDawkins1 year ago
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Palin Kool-Aid Drinkers!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
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"Two weeks ago, Palin’s campaign told several reporters traveling with the campaign that a summary of the governor’s medical history would be made public before election day.
Reporters were told that details on Palin’s medical background would be released early last week. Last Thursday, after that timeframe had passed, a campaign aide backed off the previous pledge, saying the campaign wasn’t sure when the information would be released.
John McCain, Barack Obama and Joseph Biden have all provided details about their medical history"
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UpholdOurConsitution1 year ago
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Rose, Wolfie, K9, Klarissa & GLee... I am neither extreme left nor right, but if I had to choose, I would move as far away from you all as possible. Re-read your posts... you sound like a bunch of psychos sputtering out ridiculous nonsense and assumptions.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's not one good choice in this election. Picking what you perceive is the better choice does nothing but perpetuate the problem. NEITHER candidate is fit for the Presidency and everyone knows it. Then again, neither was GW or Clinton. The majority of politcians in Washington today should be thrown out! In fact, if you think about it, when was the last GREAT President?
I'm fairly young (which automatically means I'm an idiot to the extreme right), so I can't say I even remember one. Between Bush Sr., Clinton and GW, it's laughable! Well, all I can say is hopefully Obama is going to bring the kind of change people think he's going to be bringing. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
It will then be VERY interesting to see how each side responds. It's doubtful that you extremist cons will acknowledge your error, if it turns out that way. The hardest thing for most people to do is admit they were wrong. Same thing goes on the opposite end of the partisan scale. The mark of an advanced, intelligent being is their capability to realize their own faults and to adapt accordingly. (JMHO)-
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Dash-RipRock1 year ago
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Hey UpholdOurConstitution,
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I've got a question for you. This is hypothetical at this point, but since the lawsuit is going up to the Supreme Court at this point.
If it turns out that Obama isn't a natural born US citizen, or, isn't a legal US citizen, should he not be allowed to be President, even if he wins the election?
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epiphannyy1 year ago
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Considering its been PROVEN that he IS a legal citizen (the State of Hawaii has officially verified his legal citizenship just this past Friday confirming the legitimacy of his birth certificate), will you ever admit that such accusations are futile? And further, will you ever accept him if he wins and support his authority as the legally elected President?
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epiphannyy1 year ago
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Here is a link to today's PM article covering the verification of Obama's birth certificate once and for all.
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http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/11/03/o...
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Well, on Friday, the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health, Dr. Chimoye Fukino, finally got tired of listening to ridiculous chorus coming from McCain/Palin supporters and he went to personally inspect the original birth certificate.
Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures, Fukino said.
Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.
So........are YOU willing to admit your (and others') obsession with this subject has finally hit the brick wall? Will YOU support Obama, if not as President, at least as a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN or will you continue to find SOMETHING, anything to tear him down with...even if that anything is pure fabrication (like this lie about his birthright)????-
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corl641 year ago
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The birth certificate is real, that's not the question. Obamas mother applied for the birth certificate four days after he was born. That is where the problem begins. Hawaii can only verify that it is a real birth certificate, they have no way of explaining why the delay of four days, or the fact that there are no staff or hospital records from the day he was born.
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"anything to tear him down with"
This is going to go on for the duration of his presidency. He is the wrong man for the job. He scammed his way into every political position he has held. Now, he's worked his scam ways into being POTUS. You'll se in four years, the same people that have hailed him, as a saviour will be trying to get him out of office.
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UpholdOurConsitution1 year ago
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Well, IF it turned out he WASN'T a natural born citizen, the he should NOT be allowed to be President. However, it has been confirmed that his birth certificate from Hawaii is legitimate. No more debate here... he has the right, like every other natural born citizen, to run for the Presidency. Like I said before, I just really hope the change he's talking about is the kind everyone is looking for... ya know, the good stuff. LOL. I'm sitting tight and watching the show... it's quite funny at times.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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"This is hypothetical at this point, but since the lawsuit is going up to the Supreme Court at this point."
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It is being appealed to the SC, but I highly doubt they would hear the appeal. You can't just appeal because you don't like the judge's ruling.
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UpholdOurConsitution1 year ago
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No, I did not ASSUME that the extremist right would miss me at all. I would never do well with any form of extremism since I don't base my beliefs on assumptions and how it's going to affect my ego. Really though, I expected a better a response from an intellect such as yours Wolfie. And I'm not worried at all... But thank you for being so considerate of my feelings. I hope you had a wonderful day:-) Oh yeah, and BTW... my dog's name is Wolfie too and he's a feisty little guy. You don't breed Min Pins by chance, do you? Man, that would be IRONIC!
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corl641 year ago
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Do you remember this from a few months back? Spinward wrote this.
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ISITJUSTME1 year ago
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All I'm going to say is this, three of the greatest presidents of the 20th century were democrats. FDR, JFK and Clinton. We have already seen the worst president of the 21st century, so why no go with hope and Intellect. Vote: OBAMA/BIDEN
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chevydog1 year ago
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Just to add some semblance pf balance--IMHO FDR was great--he held the country together even when his progressive policies didn't really work. Took WWII to really end the Depression. JFK was middling to above--the above was due to how he motivated people, not so much as because of what he actually accomplished. Clinton -- middling at best. A great politician in the perjorative sense. Can't believe that you don't include Teddy Roosevelt as one of the best of the 20th century.
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if you want to play the party game, Lyndon Johnson gives Nixon a good run for the worst of the 20th century. No matter what his intentions were with the Great Society, he remains the only president we've rejected in the middle of a war. His decision to try to fund his domestic program and VietNam at the same time was almost singularly irresponsible; it set the stage for the whole inflationary spiral of the 1970's. -
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Klarissa1 year ago
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wikipedia
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Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2]
Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.
Anarcho-syndicalists, Luxemburgists (such as those in the Socialist Party USA) and some elements of the United States New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils.-
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Klarissa1 year ago
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a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom.
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Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely.
No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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No, I mean socialists like the ones in the USSR or China. I think people who work and make money should be able to keep it and spend it the way the want to spend it. I don't think it should be given to lazy slobs who don't work and are always wanting someone else to take care of them.
Calling people greedy and self serving because they want to keep the money they earn is so totally ignorant.
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ForrestPhelps1 year ago
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Gee Wolfie2007, I did "google" it, and this is what I found:
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The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to the United States Constitution.
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epiphannyy1 year ago
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Articles like this are such trash.....the same thing could be said for the vast majority of McCain/Palin voters...especially the wagon jumpers who support Palin. They like her because she makes them "feel" comfortable that someone "like them" is running for office. Just like those who love Joe the Plumber...he makes them "feel" important because he's "just like them". People like Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber make people "feel" good because they are proof positive that even morons have a chance at celebrity in this great country of ours.
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But I'll tell you....I have solid reasons why I voted for Obama, and NONE of them have anything to do with how he makes me "feel"..just like I'm not voting against McCain/Palin because of how they make me "feel" either. Why did Obama get my vote? I'm wagering its for the same reason damn near every other THINKING American supports him.....he's got a measurable IQ and, when tested (already with the financial crisis) he PASSED by not losing his head and flying off the handle. He's proven to have the judgment necessary to lead us through these difficult times (from being right on Iraq to commonsense approaches to what ails us most today) and his opponent has proven the opposite (from his hither, thither, and yon policy positions throughout his entire campaign to his choice to appoint an unvetted "vagina" as his VP as soon as the "vagina" running on the democrat side was defeated - like ANYONE with a "vagina" would replace Hilary Clinton and garner the female vote, proving how little he thinks of every woman/vagina out there).
For me, there is no comparison between the two candidates. One who thinks and one who has yet to prove the capability of thinking. And all the right-wing slime machine publications won't change the fact that MY reason for voting Obama is shared by the vast majority. Claims to the contrary only prove the desperation of the losing right has reached panic mode.-
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cleare1 year ago
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i'm with you epip. when i saw the title of the article, i assumed it was talking about republicons, who are all about emotion over logic. this thread is an obvious example.
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pboccuti1 year ago
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Excellent post. You hit the nail on the head. Republicans never use "logic". If they did, then George W. Bush would have never had a chance at the Office of the President.
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There is not one "logical" ad from the Republican Party. All of their ads are on how horrible the country would be if Obama is President. They never say anything about how well-off the country would be if McCain is President. The reason is because the Republicans know deep down inside that Obama is a much better choice for the Country then McCain. McCain is only a better choice for the Republicans. McCain's "Country First" mantra is such a pathetic lie.
If Repblicans had any logic McCain would have been the GOP nominee in 2000 not Bush. But we all know that Republicans never use logic.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Yeah right, don't use emotion unless it fear and smear. Hannity is the master of fear and smear. Too bad they were all geared up to smear Mrs. Clinton and had to change in the middle of the primaries to the "Stop Obama Express". The only thing worse than Hannity are the Hannity Kool-Aid drinkers out there surviving on hate and fear.
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smpjr1 year ago
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Anybody consider that if you rersearch the history of the great Depression 40% may lose their jobs with Obama.The lesson you should learn so that you won't repeat the same mistake is that the Depression started with a recession but President Hoover raised taxes on the rich and it turned to depression which took a long time to bounce back.PLEASE CONSIDER THIS PROBABILITY because we are in the same situation now with Obama,Pelosi and Reid ready to increase all taxes starting with rich and trickling down to the middle class.
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pboccuti1 year ago
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Oh it took a World War for the depression to end. Let me fill you in on a little secret. It took a World War to start the depression. Yeah imagine that. If Germany paid back all of the money, to France, England and the U.S., it was supposed to after WWI then the US.. never would have went into a depression.
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Lets see we have an unjust war costing us $10 Billion a month for 5 years. Lets add that up. $10 Billion X 12 X 5 = $600 Billion dollars. How much was that bailout? Around $750 Billion. Do you see my point. When you needlessly spend money on a stupid manufactured war, Iraq, then you don't have any funds left to use where and when it is needed.
Let me make it easier for you to understand. If you have a $100 a month and you spend $98 food a month then you are only left with $2 to spend on everything else you need, like a mortgage/rent, utilities and such..-
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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So what! If you can't make ends meet you need to get an other job and cut your spending. Of course, you think it's alright to get the government to steal money from others and give it to you. If you want charity then go ask your neighbors to help you out instead of sending government thugs to steal for you.-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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Hell no, just go to Baghdad, maybe another 15-20 Bill will be sent by the pallet full over there and no one will notice its disappearance.
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His analogy was about the Gov having $2 left to spend, and your answer is "If you can't make ends meet you need to get an other job" ????????..."Go ask your neighbours"??????
Well tomorrow USA will, in a manner of speaking, get another job....Obama.
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Bacalao1 year ago
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Wolfie, Did you just support higher taxes. As you know thats how the government gets paid. My question is where are we gonna get those taxes? You, me and everybody across the board? or just from the middle class because the rich have better things to do with their money.
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Painesright1 year ago
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." Norman Thomas - Socialist Party of America presidential candidate
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Isn't it tiring to hear this nonstop smearing crap from the trailer trash republican shills about socialism, when the morons have never been out of their trailer park.
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Joe the Scab plumber is your hero, and then you moron pack of barking hyenas cast your stones, somehow socialism is the new mantra, it used to be just screaming witch was enough to have a good burning, or Nig....was enough for you filthy lying scum republicans to have a good lynching.
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Yeah, you'd rather vote for the senile son of a son of a military man, 3 generations on the government dole, not a dollar earned in three generations of warmondering not coming from working mans taxes.
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You'd rather hand the country over to a senile old man, who would after he overdoses on viagra trying to keep it up for his 2nd wife, who never worked a day in her priveledged hundred million dollar live,
and you'd rather hand the country over to an evangelical creationist book burning hick from moosefart Alaska, a complete uneducated moron.
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Klarissa1 year ago
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a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom.
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Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely.
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cleare1 year ago
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wow...some of you are so scared of obama, you're practically wetting your pants... and making outrageously dire predictions.
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gestapo??? get real!
we'll all be better off with obama. and those of you who refuse to believe it can just go ahead and develop the ulcers all that bile will create.-
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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No, cleare, nobody has wet their pants unless it's you and the dire predictions are results of what has come out of Obama's mouth.
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Very, very few will be better off under Obama. It's really pitiful how uninformed you are but this time next year if Obama has been elected you are going to be very sad.-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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In my job on the rigs, you find out that sooner or later everyone can teach you something
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In a span of 18 months I am still waiting for you to teach me ANYTHING besides hate
And in 18 days I have learnt from cleare a few things.
So you see there pup, the reason you don't wet your pants is because being a pup, you still squat to pee.
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theboltgal1 year ago
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epiphannyy-you are such an idiot! I am surpised that you have enough intellect to spell the word vagina. Talk about a sexist pig, the only reason why you are voting for Obama because he is part African American and male. Do yourself and the world a favor and stick to watching t.v. or play with your blow up doll girlfriend. Stay off the internet because it may stress the few brain cells you have left
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paramale1 year ago
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WHERE HAS THIS BLOGGER BEEN FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. If he's been awake during any of that period he would be so anxious to vote for Barack that he would be running to the polls. I don't "feel" this, I "KNOW" that with Barack we will get national healthcare and start pulling this nation out of the Bush/McCain gutter where its wallowed for so long.
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cleare1 year ago
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Bush/McCain gutter!!! yes, only push it back another 20 years. what we are witnessing is the final death knell of the republican "revolution" imposed on us by reagan.
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Patience1 year ago
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Why aren't any of McCain's military buddies supporting him?
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Patience1 year ago
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Oh and another!
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"America's most decorated hero on John McCain"
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willottica1 year ago
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Was that a total of 2? I didn't follow the links, because I don't particularly care for youtube as a source (and can't get it at work), but it looks like you found 2 military supporting McCain. That's quite impressive, you must have a lot of patience.
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Patience1 year ago
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Actually more like 7. When your able to get to a decent pc check out the links.
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The videos are news interviews with some Vets that served with McCain and there are plenty more!
If you would rather read up on McCain you can look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
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Wolfie20071 year ago
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I’ll quit before you get too depressed. Barack Obama and fellow liberals are successfully converting human emotion into political gain. The truth is, they are not champions for the little guy; they are hypocrites. They stand for adversity but condemn anyone who disagrees with them. (Ever heard of the Fairness Doctrine?) They cry out against the death penalty but support abortion. (At least the guy on death row has been convicted of a crime.) They say Republicans are evil and don’t care about the middle class, but it’s them who want to raise your taxes and continue to block relief at the gas pumps by not drilling our own oil.-
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cmm123051 year ago
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wow...some of you are so scared of obama, you're practically wetting your pants... and making outrageously dire predictions.
gestapo??? get real!
we'll all be better off with obama. and those of you who refuse to believe it can just go ahead and develop the ulcers all that bile will create.
I AGREE WITH YOU CLEARE...what these people represent is ignorance at it's finest. They have been brainwashed by the McPalinites and instead of researching and comparing they just swallowed the bait whole...YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WHOMEVER YOU CHOOSE JUST GET OUT AND VOTE!
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Isn't it obvious that McCain rallies are just a white supremacist gathering? There are no black faces, brown faces, only old white angry scared morons and their homeschooled evangelical inbred children.
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The GOP is doomed, the only ones left are the morons too stupid to leave a burning ship, even the rats have swam for shore, as soon as the mooseskinner Barbie was invited on board.-
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DropkickaLib1 year ago
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Not true. There is a growing number of Black and minority Republicans. The Obama Dems, for their part, have demonstrated a level of woman hating mysoginy unparalleled in American politics. The DEMS are doomed, at least the economically successful ones and there are a couple. Thanks for making my point by attacking Governor Palin in the typical crowd following Obamanite manner!
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cleare1 year ago
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polls have black voters at 97% to 1% in favor of obama. hispanics, being a little more conservative are breaking only 60 - 70% for obama.
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it's the republicons who are doomed.
free at last, free at last. thank god almighty, we're almost free at last.
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nickknight741 year ago
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Jefferson & Lincoln were NOT uninspiring speakers. As for voting with emotion any one with Logic can see why the Republicans must go. Their present policies began with Reagan who followed the Calvin Coolidge dogma of never allowing the government to regulate business. Those policies brought us the Savings & Loan Crisis of the '80's (Subprime's Little Brother) and the real estate crash and rescession of 1990. They also brought us leveraged buy-outs, junk bonds, Michael Milkin, Charles Keating Carl Icahn, Frank Lorenzo and other corporate thugs of the '80's. We had some respite under Clinton who was not perfect. After the 94 elections, he "republicanized" himself to keep power, even parroting some of their slogans. He continued some Reaganite policies like signing the repeal of Glass-Stiegel and authorizing Derivatives. Then came Dubya. These policies bring us to where we are today. It became clear to me after the S debacle in 1989, the Republicans were liars on everything and just no damn good. The Republican ideology belongs on the Ash-heap of history. Enough! Throw all of those bums out!!
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nickknight741 year ago
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Why the Republicans are REVERSE ROBIN HOODS: they steal from the poor to give the rich! I also have a news flash for the morons who keep crying "those liberals...": THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LIBERALS as long as they do not reach the point of the extremists of the late 1960's-early 1970's! Guess also what, Right Wing Nutjobs: (1) Crying "liberals" just will not work this time nor will any of your usual dirty tricks; and (2) All you Right Wing Nutjobs and Corporate Thugs better have your day cause after November 4th, YOU'RE THROUGH IN THIS COUNTRY!!!
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RickyDawkins1 year ago
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Poor cons, can't even read a simple graph. You Self-Loathing Cons lost the moment you decided to skip Statistics class to go watch the tractor pull.
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toph19731 year ago
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ROFLMAO,
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This needs to be in humor. Please cons, tell me what intellect you used in voting someone into office twice that is a traitor to the US? What logic did you use when voting him in the second time knowng that he lied to get us into a war. You need to look in the mirror before making such stupid assumptions. I've only met one con than thinks intellectually. And none of them were on here. -
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FrankHummel1 year ago
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To those who would at this very late stage of the “game” raise the “emotional issue” of Obama’s comments about “spreading the wealth”, I must point out to you the HYPOCRISY of your position:
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What is the "beef" involved saying something HYPOTHETICAL to Joe the Plumber about "spreading the wealth around"?? Does no one bother to think about the ACTUAL REALITY of how the wealth HAS ALREADY BEEN "spread around” by “our” CURRENT political crowd (of which the erstwhile Sen. McCain has been 90% a part!)??
There is a whole lot LESS "wealth" to "spread around" now that Bush and the Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen have worked their "magic" for the last seven years. What REALLY needs to happen is that folks now need to get busy actually GENERATING SOME MORE OF THE STUFF! But REAL wealth this time, not make-work, make-believe activity conjuring up "money" that does not actually correlate with REAL WORLD GOODS AND SERVICES that are actually USABLE by REAL PEOPLE!
That is going to mean something along the lines of a NATIONAL MOBILIZATION TO RECONSTITUTE THE ENERGY DIET OF THIS WHOLE SOCIETY, so that “we” quit "redistributing" our wealth OFF TO THE OIL "SHEIKHS" (Arab and otherwise) of the world!
It is more than a little bit amusing to watch the crowd who have CRASHED our economy now pretending to have suddenly "gotten religion", and trying to pass off a TEN PERCENT MAVERICK as a "stalking horse" in order to hang on to their "control". If people actually FALL for THAT ploy, then they are SURELY fools, and all hope for this nation is GONE! -
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markmawn21 year ago
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This is too easy. Please try harder to say something original.
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He already has. He's stolen every catch phrase from Obama since the beginning. "Change" anyone? You're going to be asking for it on the street corners if he wins.
You're point must be on your head.
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RickyDawkins1 year ago
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nixie... intellect... LOL!!!
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tadair9191 year ago
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democrats vote for fear or mccain. republicans vote for fear of obama. it's all fear and duality. people don't get that we're all on the same team. so we vote for people we actually don't even like.
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i say voting for either of these two-major party candidates is aiding and abetting. it's criminal negligence. that's right folks. we're all accessories in the two-party crime.-
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willottica1 year ago
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voting for them? I disagree. Donating to them? Absolutely, that's aiding and abetting.
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The 2 mainstream candidates get "public funding" if the want it, they get hours upon days upon weeks upon months of free coverage in the media. They get their exclusive televised debates.
While third-party candidates get the shaft.
They are excluded from the debates. They have extra hurdles to overcome to get on the ballot. They are completely ignored by MSM, to the point where Joe the Plumber has had more air-time this year than Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, or any of the nearly a dozen OTHER unheard of political candidates.
You can't really blame people for not voting for someone they've not heard anything about... but to continue to give money to those who have the most??? Seems a little unbalancing to me. If I were American I'd be calling my local papers and TV stations and asking them when they were going to do their jobs, as IMPARTIAL ADVOCATES FOR THE TRUTH and cover the platforms and policies of the third-party candidates.-
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reasonable11 year ago
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Couldn't agree more Will! It's way past time for a third party to become viable! Rep. and Dem. are way too complacent and comfortable with their minions. They are far too esconced in their respective bureaucracies to actually worry about bettering America!! I pray for the sake of our country that we can shake it up some. Too late for this election!!!
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willottica1 year ago
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As far as reasons to vote. I would vote for Obama, because I think he IS the change that the country needs. I like his platform. I like his policies. I'm not afraid of his association to Wright, I'm not afraid of his association to Ayers... hell, I'd probably associate with them. I wouldn't condemn a man for his actions 40 years ago, and I wouldn't leave a Church because I disagree with some of what the pastor says: I ALWAYS disagree with some of what the pastor says. If you agree with anyone all of the time, you should seriously wonder if it's YOU or THEM that's refusing to admit your true opinions.
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Ratskii1 year ago
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Gee Nixie,
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Guess you never asked me. I'll give you three good reasons why I'm voting for Obama rather than McCain.
1) I don't want to see the Supreme Court packed with more ideologues like Scalia.
2) Obama has committed his office to seeking a Manhattan/Apollo type project for energy alternatives to fossil fuel.
3) I believe he will actually seek to expand medical coverage for Americans while trying to reduce costs. I don't believe McCain will. -
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FairNBalanced1 year ago
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People are voting from emotion, and I can prove it.
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NoWayMan1 year ago
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what total and complete horsesh*t.
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especially since McCain hasn't told America any specifics of his plans.
and then cons on these boards use Hussein like its a bad word, then have the idiotic nerve to say they're using reasoning rather than emotion in their choice not to vote for Obama?
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Poulenc1 year ago
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Nixie, this is trash, really.
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You should know, if you don't, that we don't easily compartmentalize feeling and intellect (let's call it). How we think about people has an emotional component and how we feel about them has its measure of reason.
People can be underinformed, ignorant or just plain stupid about their choices, but you can't hack these up into thinking and feeling, as if the two were mutually exclusive.
So the premise of the article, or your interpretation of it, is faulty.
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Choos1 year ago
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I'm a 53 year old WASP. I'm voting for the first time in my life this year. Why??!! I'm so sick of the last eight years under Bush, I can, and will, scream!!!
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What has Bush done, beneficially, for us during his Presidency? What have the Republicans done?? Let's see, they have, 1) Done everything in their power, even if it meant going against the CONSTITUTION & BILL OF RIGHTS, to wage war against Iraq, invade every American's home through ILLEGAL wiretaps, etc., and condone and endorse torture of prisoners (Remember WWII & Vietnam). 2) Done everything in their power, even if it means going against previous legislation, to wage war against our planet ecologically, without whom we would perish, and may still. 3) Given every Corporation, Ammunitions manufacturer, and Christian fundamentalist fanatic group, the endorsement of the United States government, and the money of EVERY citizen, while ignoring the needs and rights of everyday Americans.
I'm voting for Obama because:
1. He's a Democrat. (Republicans need to make a party decision to make an honest, concerted effort to connect with "real" Americans. Those with an intellect, under the age of 70, and those who make less than $150,000/yr. know what I'm saying!)
2. He's coherent. (McCain & Co. couldn't bring themselves to choose a Vice Presidential candidate that would be a viable President, in the ALL TOO LIKELY event of a life threatening medical issue facing McCain. Instead, they choose a candidate that would hopefully swing a majority of H. Clinton supporters to their camp.)
3. He is being attacked by every "Hate Group" in our country, and you have been all too helpful in identifying yourselves on this blogsight (Is that a correct phrase? I have never replied to one of these blog things.)
4. I make $30,000/yr., and my wife is currently unemployed, but our financial plight does NOTHING to dissuade our commitment to see Obama in the White House.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CALIFORNIA, AND MY WIFE WAS BORN IN IRAN, AND MOVED HERE IN 1977. WE ARE BOTH DIEHARD AMERICANS, WHO BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY "ONCE" STOOD FOR. EQUALITY, AND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERY AMERICAN. GOVERNMENT OF, FOR AND BY THE PEOPLE (A PHRASE FORGOTTEN IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS). MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, AN ELECTION THAT IS DRIVEN BY INTELLIGENCE, LOVE OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS AND...
A DESIRE, NO, A NEED, TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD, AS A COUNTRY THAT CAN AND WILL LEAD THE WORLD IN "LOVE OF THEIR FELLOW MAN", AND EVERYTHING THAT PHRASE ENTAILS.
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leftylemn1 year ago
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Rev. Chapter 13
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This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:
How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?
Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is. Almost a four-year term of a Presidency. All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:
The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
Do we recognize this description??
I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to post this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet.. do it!
I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of nowhere. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Dr. John Tisdale
Dear Friends, As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . 'We are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, . . .' As with so many other statements I've heard him (and his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--and to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding fathers intended it to be. I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns, written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list. With God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else, we can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation! Please pray for our nation!-
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blowback1 year ago
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According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:
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The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
Do we recognize this description??
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The Book of Revelations does not say this.
This is pure fancy of your own making
credited to pure fancy not of your own making.
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truthiness1 year ago
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>>The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
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I'd like to know where in revelations it says that since Islam didn't exist when revelations was written (handed down, or whatever you believe),
>>To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation...
our forefathers did not fight for a christian nation. the first amendment proves that. the diaries and letters of jefferson and adams proves that. simple logic proves that. . -
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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“Voting With Emotion Rather Than Intellect”
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I have a close friend who voted for the current administration twice.
He is a black minister, and the issues that guided his hand where Gay marriage and abortion.
Personally I think both those issues should be out of the jurisdiction of the federal government.
But for those that want the feds in the bedroom, I ask: what did you get?
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oneironaut4201 year ago
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McCain supporters are actually ridiculing Obama supporters for "feeling" that Obama is the best choice as president?
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Demographically, McCain supporters are predominantly Christian. Religious experiences have no basis in logic, they are largely emotional and based entirely on "feeling"...feeling that God is present in the church, feeling that Jesus loves them, and so forth.
Interesting that "feeling" a "truth" is acceptable when one is experiencing the emotion personally in a religious setting, but it's irrelevant and invalid when it's someone who has a different political view.-
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DropkickaLib1 year ago
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Actually, the fanatical Christophobe zealots who comprise so many of Obama's supporters are beyond the reach of logic. It's interesting that religious based morality is not a legitimate basis for voting but opposition to faith, pursued with religious fanatacism, is a valid motivation for voting.
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oneironaut4201 year ago
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Do you have any evidence that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that that "so many of Obama's supporters" are beyond the reach of logic?
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And who said that religious based morality is not a legitimate basis for voting? You were responding to my post, and I didn't say anything like that. I did, however, point out the fact that religious types think it's OK to base their spiritual beliefs on a "feeling", but that apparently, that same process is not OK when it's someone of a different political bent. Methinks you just created a straw man...typical tactic from someone who has no rational rebuttal. 8( -
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prater56001 year ago
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One of the reasons McCain will lose, and lose big tomorrow is because so many of you on the right don't have a clue at to why so many are voting for Obama.
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I'll make it simple: George W. Bush.
Now you may be saying, Bush isn't running, McCain is! That's irrelevant to the average voter. This will be a referendum on the republican party and it's support of one of the worst presidents in our lifetimes, if not ever. Where was the dissent from the republican ranks when Bush did one boneheaded thing after another? Why is it that massive amounts of spin are needed to justify the things Bush has done?
Go ahead and blame the media, stupid democrats, America haters, ex-real estate partners, and so on. Your petty bickerings will ensure that the republican party will become more and more irrelevant until it vanishes from the landscape altogether. -
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musicguy2381 year ago
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Ok...your wife has a high risk pregnancy, and your son or daughters potential life hangs in the balance. You have two choices for attending physician..one, a bright, good looking young medical school grad who has never practiced medicine before but has some "great ideas" about high risk pregnancy...the other, a scruffy looking, ill tempered doctor with 40 years of experience in labor and delivery...which doctor do you choose? The country is just as ill, and at the end of the day, I have to go with the resume and tomorrow vote for John McCain
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mamidee31 year ago
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I have been in this country for 25 years and became a naturalized citizen since 2004. I believe this country is wonderful, I will never burn, step, or destroy the American flag in any way, yet I recall the first time I felt when I saw a protester, in the great city of New York do this to an American flag. I began wondering why it was, this person had such hatred towards such a great country, then I realized, they probably never lived anywhere else. Americans don't know how lucky they are to live here. In this election, all I hear is how bad the leadership in this country has been, but frankly I don't see it. Bush kept his country safe. The economy is bad, yes, but, face it, you have freedoms, people like me only dream to see. Love your country and embrace it. Be proud and know that you would not be here in the first place if it weren't for men like John McCain.
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baldrz1 year ago
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This is not news! This is some wingnut wacko spouting some ill-informed opinion. What he pretends not to understand is that most people say "feel" when they mean "think," yet he doesn't notice or care when it comes from a fellow regressive. Americans don't know how to say what they mean, especially when they're in front of a camera or microphone.
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Why do you link to this garbage? There are plenty of legitimate news stories out there; try those instead. The last thing we need is more unedited crap posing as journalism. -
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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Obama is a Socialist!
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What metric should I use other than history?
If I tag and compare spending it looks like this:
Outlay Data from the White House:
Payment Where Earned Income Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax: 2000 = $26 B 2008 = $39.4 B
Payment Where Child Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax: 2000 = $.08 B 2008 = $16.3 B
Refunding Internal Revenue Collections, Interest: 2000 = $2.7 B 2005 = $6.1 B
Private Collection Agent Program: 2000 = $0 2008 = $12 M
Unemployment Trust Fund: 2000 = $20.7 B 2003 = $54.6 B
Grants to States for Medicaid: 2000 =$118 B 2008 = $204 B
Food Stamp Program: 2000 = $14.7 B 2008 = $34 B
Medicare Prescription Drug Account, Federal Supplementary Insurance Trust Fund: 2000 = $0 2007 = $49 B
I could go on and on…. and every budget Item That I tag with a socialist concept, has spent on average a great deal more than %100 than what was spent before the current administration came to power.
I try to look at crap pragmatically.
I am a dumb uneducated carpenter, but it is the law that I can look at this stuff.
It ticks me off that so much is hidden, but the hidden stuff is not social spending.
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