An Embrace of Lieberman? Not Exactly, »
Posted By Eagle_Eye 1 year ago in Political News
The political status of Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut was indefinite on Thursday after he met with Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader, to discuss Mr. Lieberman’s support of Senator John McCain, the Republican candidate for president.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Joe Lieberman has followed the same path as some other high profile Democrats when they got older and left the party - people like Scoop Jackson ... Jeanne Kirkpatrick.
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These people get old ... they become hardline hawks ... and suddenly the Democratic Party ... with it's philosophy of people, sanity, reason first ... arbitrary war second (or third) doesn't appeal to them.
If you look at Liberman's issue with the Democrats ... it's the Iraq war ... Joe believes that we have to apply our military might throughout the world to 'keep the peace'.....
This is classic Neo-Conservative stuff.
Peace through War.
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Teech1 year ago
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For whatever reasons, Joe made his decision, and now gets to live with the consequences.
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He's entitled to his beliefs, and to his vote. I can only admire him for having the courage to stick with his convictions, however flawed they are.
I, personally, disagree with his Republican ideology, and like the majority of Americans, voted accordingly. I would never trust him or depend upon his support for any Democratic policy. Perhaps Joe can be an architect of reform for a seriously ailing GOP.
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johnnyt1 year ago
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isnt what lieberman doing considered bi-partisan politics? you know looking at each issue and making the decision based upon what he feels that the people who elected him want? i respect him for not towing the party line (btw he isnt a dem he is indpendant) and voting on the issues with his beliefs. this is the problem with our government and society today i think there are many that believe their party is without fault. both sides have issues that need to fixed and the biggest problem is that lack of respect and cooperation across party lines. i find it sad that we feel that the best way to get congress and our government to work is by having one party control everything. the reason we have filibusters and the 60% majority override is to prevent one party from having too much power. though that seems to be the only way that we feel can get anything accomplished. can not we have a spirit of cooperation where we reach across the aisle and vote for what is right and not for our party wants?
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President Obama campaign was for change. well if he can change the government where both sides work together for your, mine and our benefit then he will have my vote in 2012. because if he can do that the rest of our problems will be fixed along with it.-
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sinophil491 year ago
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I would have nothing against Lieberman if he broke away from the Democratic party and declared himself a Republican and aligned with them in their voting preferences. Then everyone would say he followed his convictions and was completely intellectually honest. That I could even admire in a way.
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The problem comes when he has a history of voting with the democrats, but then even after declaring himself an independent, still caucuses with the democrats. Then he pops up with the Republicans on their convention and roundly criticizes the candidate of the party he caucuses with.
He holds the chairmanships of 2 committees by virtue of the fact he had seniority within the Democratic party. He has the right to declare himself independent and to campaign against the Democratic candidate. But he can not do that AND still take advantage of the positions he gained by virtue of being in the Democratic party in the past. He effectively loses his seniority status within the Democratic party.
If he were brilliant and is compatible with the Democratic elders, he could be allowed to retain his chairmanships AT THE PLEASURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. The party has the right to strip him of his chaimanships.
This is totally different from the firing of the 9 federal prosecutors by Alberto Gonzales. The functioning of the Justice Department should be impartial and free of political influence. The chairmanships in the Senate are completely political and are supposed to be dispensed as political awards.
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pvshelly1 year ago
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I cannot help thinking that Joe Lieberman simply likes attention, and the sound of his own voice, and these are the motivation for everything he has ever done in politics. His platitude style of speaking, and his constant attempts to place himself front and center as some sort of "voice of reason," are infuriating. I cannot remember a single thing that he ever said or did that helped this nation one bit. But I do remember his lecturely style talking about personal rights and wrongs and criticizing Bill Clinton personal life, and demanding attention while at the same time being such a complete overwhelming all encompassing bore. This guy has been a tremendous waste of a Senate seat, a VP candidacy, speaking time and television time. He ran a nasty ridiculous campaign against a good man, his predecessor, Lowell Weicker, and thereby removed a good and honest thinker from the Senate to replace him with a man whose actions speak not of courage, but attention seeking, and who is simply not capable of producing a useful honest thought on behalf of this country. His manner constantly suggests that this country needs him, but in all these years, I cannot think of a single reason why it needs him. At least Zell Miller had the entertainment value of an old crack-pot. Leiberman has no such charm, and the Democrats should put his head on a pike outside their caucus.
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Charlson1 year ago
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When you actively stump for Republican congressmen and McCain, you are no longer a Democrat. Besides, he changed his affiliation to Independent. Let him join the Republican Caucus and then he can work across the aisle to get legislation passed, but just not as a Democrat. He just can't be trusted. And before anyone asks. I'm not a Democrat but an Independent myself.
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Musquash1 year ago
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Mr. Obama ran on a platform of non-partisanship. It was the people who won this election not the party. Now the Dems are swooping in to punish those who did not lock-step with them during this election. Senator Lieberman is a fine man and has does much for the people in CT. Shame on the dirty politicians and their vindictive manipulations. I hope Mr. Obama can stop this. It's why we voted for him. But, it's business as usual in Washington, folks - so much for change.
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nikkibabe1 year ago
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What is it taking so long for Democrats to "kick" this stinking PIG from the party and his committee positions?
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I am sure Obama does not need any turncoats, hypocrites and back stabbers in his midst.
If there is a recall option in CT constitution, they should recall this PIG and vote him out.
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nikkibabe1 year ago
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What is it taking so long for Democrats to "kick" this stinking PIG from the party and his committee positions?
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I am sure Obama does not need any turncoats, hypocrites and back stabbers in his midst.
If there is a recall option in CT constitution, they should recall this PIG and vote him out.
He can then, get his uniform and go to his favorite place: IRAQ.-
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nikkibabe1 year ago
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It is a question of party loyalty vs going to the other camp all the way during a Presidential election as crucial as the one we just went over.
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He not only betrayed the party but called Obama, "unpatriotic", "muslim", does not put country first, "inexperienced", and etc., etc.,
Now he wants to come back!
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DarkWizard1 year ago
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Lieberman has made his own bed and now must lay in it. But, politics makes strange bedfellows and politicians will do what they think will be most advantageous for their cause.
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I don't disagree that Lieberman should probably step down from his chairmanships, but he could also be used to sway moderate Republicans to strengthen the Democrats' position within the Senate.
President Obama needs to unify the parties to make real changes and ostracizing Lieberman may not be a good first move (and don’t think that Congress won’t feel some immediate pressure from Obama). The timing might be wrong as both parties are looking at some hierarchal restructuring right now with the old guard and new guard of each party trying to figure out the dynamics of what just happened in this election.
Both Parties will have a power struggle as a shift in ideology has been coming for a while. This means that those who aren’t on board with changing the status quo may be marginalized within their respective parties as the moderates from both sides move to a more neutral position. And, this change within the Parties will be a big one as the need of our nation is a big one.
Therefore, “having talks” with Lieberman is probably the safest modus operandi in the wake of the political upheaval that “may” and should occur.
Of course, in any other scenario, I would have said that Lieberman had committed political suicide.
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