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Posted By JamesMarcus 1 year ago in NewsThe election of Barack Obama to the presidency dominated this week's conversation at Propeller. But the community also sounded off about Sarah Palin, space junk, and the tantalizing advent of nude voting in the United States.
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ind061 year ago
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gamahuche1 year ago
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It was quite a week!
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On the plus side probably even the losers must be happy that its over and that its no longer requisite to summon up their daily triple dose of anti-Obama venom to "grace" the front page of propeller.
For Obama supporters a relief that no nasty surprises occurred no significant vote tampering took place or nasty surprises, except in CA where the gay community took a hit.
Personally speaking a significant lightening effect took place which was followed by my surprise anointment as featured member and all the responsibilities that entails!
Plus dire warnings from Slate, the previous incumbent, which led me to amplify my bio to make certain things clear!
Three cheers that we all survived this marathon and lets see what change looks like. -
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Ciera-Marie1 year ago
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Oh Wow one of my submissions got a mention! Thanks James!
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This was a great week.
I'm looking forward to next weeks Week in Review. Quick question, did Neophile's submission break the record for most comments? Last I checked it was at 1,007. -
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Eagle_Eye1 year ago
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Another Great WIR!
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It's going to be very exciting now with the change that has taken place, but I am afraid there is going to be so many hard ships. The Stock Market is sinking, Layoffs are climbing, houses are foreclosing etc. It will take a while but I have faith it will change for the better when the "Evil Empire" has been removed.
Also, KUDOS to all my fellow Dems., Inds., etc., it was a rough couple of years but we all stayed focused and positive.
Yes We Can, Yes We Will, Yes We Did!! New Day, New Age, New Era. A once in a life time experience. -
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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I saw this week as a mixed blessing. I am glad Obama won, but saddened that bigots won out in Arkansas, Florida, Arizona, and California. If this is the change for which we voted, then why should gays and lesbians bother going to the polls, when our proper place is under the bus.
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Eagle_Eye1 year ago
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david "If this is the change for which we voted", it is not, I hear your and others pain over this but the truth is the word "Marriage" is held very closely in religion and law since the beginning of written and oral records as a union between a man and a woman. Many straight people can't and have a hard time getting beyond that or changing that definition.
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This new law in Florida puts my son at risk in his "Common Law" rights with his girlfriend, they have lived together over 10 years, have a child but she passed away, he contributes to the household, but it is in her name.......if God forbid any things happens he is helpless, nothing protects him any more or he can't make any decisions for her. I don't think people realized this was going to also affect the "Common Law" status of couples residing together that used Common Law.-
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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However, two reasons dispel your argument. First, it is also true that plenty of evidence exists from Medieval France and before that valid gay marriages existed. The Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, and some tribes in Africa all have common experiences in which gay marriages were legal. To claim that traditionally it never existed is a fallacy.
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Second, the legal definition is the part to which most people fail to grasp that above all else, marriage is a legal contract. As such, it is important to remember that all Americans are entitled to enter into contracts with one another. Since the contract is about a relationship and not about sexual actions, the genders of the parties should not matter. After all, sex is not mandated to officially make a coupling into a marriage. Furthermore, marriage is not about children, for if it were, the elderly and the sterile would not be allowed to wed.
My sympathies to your son regarding common law marriage. That said, at least he has the option of marrying a female partner because he happens to be straight. Gays and lesbians want to be able to legally wed the partner of their own choosing. California has now taken away a right which had at one time been granted to them.
I am irked that no mention of this very important topic was made in the WIR.-
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gamahuche1 year ago
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"I am irked that no mention of this very important topic was made in the WIR."
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But here it is David! With a huge audience..
You have personally been able to remedy that omission and I doubt that anyone is going to criticise you for that.
I understand your shock and anger but the politics of this will always be contentious and are a long-term ongoing process.
The US is already further down the road than most countries to inclusion.
A democracy does not mean that all the participants in it will be perfect democrats - if that were the case there'd only be a need for one party. -
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Eagle_Eye1 year ago
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"The Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, and some tribes in Africa all have common experiences in which gay marriages were legal."
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This is not Europe, this is America that you are talking about. since you didn't seem to understand what I was saying then I don't think I can make it clear to you that Americans define marriage as between a man and woman.
NOW, if gays/lesbians would take another word like "Civil Union", etc and use that you probably would get your rights. Just don't use the word marriage and take a word that in religion and government gives rights to a man and woman since the beginning of the United States of America. Since you do not fit into that definition then create your own label like you did with "Gay" and "Lesbian" and you will make progress legally. -
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JamesMarcus1 year ago
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I sympathize with your frustration over the ballot initiatives in CA, FL, AR, AZ--it's an ugly business. I do think we are seeing a cultural changing of the guard, which goes far beyond party politics, and will ultimately create a climate in which such initiatives will fail. As for the WIR, I didn't mention the issue because no related stories received enough props or comments to make it into the Top Twenty for the week.
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jaern1 year ago
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Michigan banned Gay Marriage and common law marriages were caught up in it as well. A friend of mine has a family member who passed away last month. Her common law husband of 30 years didn't have the right to sign papers to have her body moved from the hospital morgue to a local funeral home. Her sister had to fly up from NC in oder to sign the papers.
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Its sad that our own insecurities in our relationships make us feel that who other people marry will affect our own choices. As david_npwa had proposed in an earlier submission- I think a ban on divorce would help the institution of marriage much more than a ban on Gay Marriage.-
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Eagle_Eye1 year ago
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Great example of how the common people got screwed over in this election. They rushed this on to the ballots with out even thinking about what it would do to a "Common Law", some thing that has been considered legal for decades, relationship. I see a lot of court cases regarding common law marriages headed for the courts. This is a sad mess for people that have felt they were secure in their relationships but now have no rights even as heterosexual couples.
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ETproductions1 year ago
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James Marcus. Thanks for another outstanding WIR and for yet again reminding us of one of the most humorous parts of reading Propeller comments. That would be the dead serious rants some members post in response to a humorous article -- the humor is totally lost on them, and that is truly funny. :)
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sonofjohn1 year ago
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Every great and important civil right has had it's set backs. And so will the civil rights for Gays. But, at one time, they said a multi-racial black man would never be president of the United States of America in our lifetime. It will take time but it is inevitable.
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Spadecaller1 year ago
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Quite a week, indeed.
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WE sure do have so much to be grateful for:
Africa became one country. My wife said, "at least they didn't name Obama "Sue", Hussein was more than enough to overcome." The KKK had to go back to the drawing board. Palin had to go back to Russia; ... well, it's close. Propeller's front page was not cluttered with hate articles against our patriotic terrorist sympathizer and President-Elect. Man! This certainly was a week for the world to remember.
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