SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters »
Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 1 month ago in Religion
A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
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Aidenag1 year, 1 month ago
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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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The obnoxious thing is that if you look beyond the surface of the abortion wedge, it is extremely likely that McCain's policies would have resulted in the deaths of easily as many, if not more, innocents. So this priest should be denying communion to everyone who voted if he's going to play games like that.
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He has, however, exceeded his authority. He should and likely will receive a reprimand from his bishop. Frankly any priest who would deny someone communion in such a way should be removed from being a parish priest and sent off to a contemplative mendicant order. -
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mark-stevens1 year, 1 month ago
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You're not suppose to enter communion without first having gone to confession the prior Saturday. Ask how may Catholics practice that. I am a Catholic only when I have to be, when standing outside the Church it looks and acts like a crappy boss!
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djn3nunez31 year, 1 month ago
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John Paul II stated before the 2003 war that this war would be a defeat for humanity which could not be morally or legally justified.
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In the weeks and months before the U.S. attacked Iraq, not only the Holy Father, but also one Cardinal and Archbishop after another at the Vatican spoke out against a "preemptive" or "preventive" strike. They declared that the just war theory could not justify such a war. Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran said that such a "war of aggression" is a crime against peace. Archbishop Renato Martino, who used the same words in calling the possible military intervention a "crime against peace that cries out vengeance before God,"
http://www.cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html
Opps does that mean the Bush war supporters should not be given the body of Jesus too?-
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Ciera-Marie1 year, 1 month ago
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djn I didn't agree with a lot of laws of the Catholic Church. However Pope John Paul II to me was/is one of the best Popes the Catholic Church ever had.
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I've noticed a more troubling trend in the Catholic Church since this new pope took office / control. The Church is / has become more conservative. Some of the changes have become down right scary. -
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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The Catholic church. What a cauldren of liquid festering crap.
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Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yup makes perfect sense.
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived ~ Mark T
Why, would anyone in their right mind, ever give a dime to these leeches? These con men.
They claim morality flows from believing in insanity. Then they torture themselves with abstinance and lonliness as priests, most of them homosexual to start with, or pedophiles.-
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antibrainwasher1 year, 1 month ago
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But I must add, compared to Mormons, Catholics look rational. If you look at Scientology and Mormons, the history and what they believe, its really incredible how stupid and gullible you have to be to have faith in that insane festering liquid crap.
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willottica1 year, 1 month ago
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Why, would anyone in their right mind, ever give a dime to these leeches?
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Entertainment. I look at a weekly church service as a form of entertainment, as a concert or a show. It's very similar to a live theatre event. You guy, you see people dancing around, acting, singing, and if you're lucky, it makes you think about what's important in life.
The Catholic Church is a giant, predictable theatre. Everyone has the script, but they still like to have it acted out by professionals.
Another reason people donate is to enable the charitable works done by the church. I may not want to enrich some Bishop somewhere, but I might see true value in the Churches home-building missions to Mexico. -
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Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago
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Have to say I'm not proponent on anti's "liquid festering crap" stance regarding religion. There are many who look at religion and see all the injustices it has been used to justify, however I see religion as just another means to a common end: "be excellent to each other."
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While I understand their anger toward religious extremism, I cannot truck a broad brush approach to every single person of faith.
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Markdistinction1 year, 1 month ago
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That makes perfect sense; withhold communion from those you think have sinned. Include the liers, the cheats, the wife-beaters, the child-molesters, those who support illegal and immoral wars, those who miss mass on Sunday, those who ate meat on Friday before it was OK, those who cheat on their spouse. Add in those that covet their neighbors goods and those who use the name of God in vain. Not many left are there. It's a good thing that real Christians speak of forgivness of sin.
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slate1 year, 1 month ago
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Man Oh Man,,,,,,, All men/women sin. For the love of God, you should take them to the front of the line and give them sacraments instead of denying them. After all, the sinners need it the most do they not? Did not Jesus forgive another hanging next to him before he died? Would Jesus have asked him how he voted if they had such a thing back then?
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This is why there was only one Jesus and he told us that many things would be said and done in his name that would be false.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 1 month ago
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I’m proud to say that the catholic church has turned me into Atheist. There was a time when religion ruled the world. That time was called the dark ages.
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Religion is a vain attempt to explain the universe and man’s place in it. It doesn’t matter if that answer is correct just as long as there is an answer. -
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bamababy1 year, 1 month ago
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This is no surprise at all, it's a wonder it took this long for this to happen. Remember the same thing happened when Kerry was running with some priest somewhere, trying to "play god". This makes me sick, this man is a supposed teacher of acceptance of that which is not the same as ones self, yet, tries to dictate from the alter on peoples political ownership? Please, mean while he's collecting money every week to pay for the sexual abuse perpetrated by the Priests within the catholic church itself. Sickening. It's okay to abuse a child and wrap them for a lifetime but, god forbid you try to spare an innocent from a lifetime of poverty, neglect and who knows what else by being born to a parent that is neither prepared or able to meet the needs of a child. There are too many unwanted, abused, neglected, diseased, starving children in this world as it is, can you imagine? All these do gooders, I wonder how many children they've opened their homes up to, either through foster parenting or adoption. Probably not too many. A great vast number of these children are special needs, ie, children of color or older and people just don't take these children. Too many American's facinated with adopting foreign babaies, oooh look at me I have a chinese baby, what about American children? Not status enough I guess. I know one thing the catholic church will never dictate whom I vote for or don't. I'm finished...
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Bluedragon9121 year, 1 month ago
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AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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I USED TO GO TO THAT CHURCH!
My soul is in trouble? Tell me something I don't know. Some other priest tried to refuse an Obama supporter Holy Communion for simply that. The guy got an apology letter from the Vatican and from the priest within a week. So that means the Church knows they can't do this. But they do it anyways?
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Sklerotes1 year, 1 month ago
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"Father Newman is off base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."
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Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago
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You are spot on. I think their vehement stance against women joining the clergy and allowing the clergy to marry is largely to blame, as is their stance against birth control. I can understand birth control measures after an ovum has been fertilized (e.g. IUDs, the morning after pill, etc.) but condom use? Birth control pills?
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The Catholic Church is against any form of sex for pleasure. I just don't get that.
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Sklerotes1 year, 1 month ago
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“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, IF he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
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So wrote Cardinal Ratzinger in a confidential memorandum titled Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles that became public earlier this year."
A BIG IF. It boils down to this. If you vote precisely because of his stance on abortion that's a sin. Voting for him doesn't mean you support that stance anymore then voting for MCcain means you support everything he stands for.
And people should go to confession to confess sins when they are sorry for them not as a convenient magic eraser. "I firmly intend, with your help to do penance, to sin no more." -
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