Did Muhammed actually exist? »
Posted By RickyDawkins 11 months, 4 weeks ago in ReligionI realize that I make considerable numbers of people upset when I question whether Jesus exists. Today, I found a WSJ article indicating that serious scholars studying Islam have their doubts about Muhammed too... "It came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed"
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RickyDawkins11 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany’s first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn’t like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.
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So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed . . .
Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad’s life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad’s existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus . . .
He has doubts, too, about the Quran. 'God doesn’t write books,' Prof. Kalisch says."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122669909279629451...
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BigBadJohn66611 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have 3 korans and a couple of moehammad biographies. I've never really doubted the monster existed but he was definitely not a prophet of a god. If he existed, he was probably the most evil man that ever lived and islam is an evil cult. the man spent his whole life with a band of thugs raiding towns and caravans raping, robbing, murdering etc.. He had at least 16 wives and countless slave girls. He married a 6 year old girl by the name of Aisha when he was around 54 years old. I suggest everyone get a koran and moehammad biography and read it because there is plenty more crap.
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Daylight11 months, 3 weeks ago
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He has doubts, too, about the Quran. 'God doesn’t write books,' Prof. Kalisch says."
Perhaps you are right in your own mind of everything evolved. God doesn't create, God doesn't write books, he revealed it to people, so the people write and then distort things to suit them but the Qur'an is different. ("It is for us to send the revelation and it is for us to reveal it") If God doesn't create who created? According to you everything evolved but no designer but there are designs, there is no purpose in life but everybody has a purpose to live, there is no after life for the Evolutionists, they are just here like the zombies groping in the dark but everybody feels that there is after life. If this life is real then after life is equally real. -
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skyanglfyre11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, Since Michelle Osama has openly admitted that “her husband’s family (himself included?) is more that 80% Muslim”, I think it's high time we learn just EXACTLE what being Muslim MEANS. So here's my attempt to enlighten some of the readers, if you don't take it upon yourself to GET EDUCATED, you have no one to blame but yourselves!
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I'm going to ask that EVERYONE who wants to know the TRUTH about how Muhammad started his movement (religion) please, please Google "The Prophet of Doom". It's a free online book and it tells everything you ever wanted to know about Islam, and much more.
You will never again believe it's a peaceful religion!
In it, it tells how the founder of Islam, Mohammoud (illegitimate son of a slave), used lies, trickery, violence, and deceite (sound familiar? like your new Muslim president?) to forward his agenda.
Oh yeah, the god in the Quran began as a moon-god (hence the moon cresent on the mosques still used to this day).
The Prophet of Doom is quoted 'scripture' right from their own Quran. After you've read it PLEASE forward the link to everyone you know!! -
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RobertLCrocker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Of course the prophet mohammed existed. He led armies into battle. His first major victory being the battle of "Badr" and he cut off the heads of his enemies. That kind of stuff is unforgetable and that's why everyone who was present tended to remember and write it down. It was at the battle of Badr that Mohommed pushed his men (he was outnumbered 3 to 1) by offering them promises of virgins in heaven if they died. His soldiers were convinced and they won the battle even though many died.
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Mohommed's life is celebrated by the imams who run "peace organizations" like hamas and hezbollah. Like mohommed they like to lead armies into battle and cut off the heads of their enemies.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 4 weeks ago
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3 separate questions...
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Does God exist?
Not in the sense people generally believe, if at all.
As Woody Allen famously said...
..."If God does exist he's an underachiever".
Did Jesus (Or Mohammad) walk the earth?
Maybe so, maybe not.
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Spadecaller11 months, 4 weeks ago
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Fictitious or undocumented stories of Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha or even Chicken Little can either be used to further ignorance and malevolent ideologues or enrich the lives for those who can find merit in their messages.
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Some use the legends and stories of the past to share peace and love; others use it to condemn, manipulate, and cheat people out of money. As is true for most things, it is not black or white.
Does not bigotry towards the spiritually inclined deserve a fair and critical analysis, as well?
There is a treasure trove of unexplainable and unknown experiences in this world for those who have the humility to admit they do not know it all. Among my favorite quotes on that subject is the one I posted below; for me it opened a new world -- one that I have enjoyed learning about. It even allows for me to change my mind without being that concerned about how right or wrong I may think I was.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”-
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RickyDawkins11 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Does not bigotry towards the spiritually inclined deserve a fair and critical analysis, as well?"
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I don't think that religious views should ever receive a free pass (from criticism).
"There is a treasure trove of unexplainable and unknown experiences in this world for those who have the humility to admit they do not know it all."
God done it!
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lvrofwolves11 months, 4 weeks ago
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I actually don't care if the stories are true or not, what I care about is the message, if it's good and positive great!, if it's used against others or in a negative way..forget it.
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I love the concept of 'Jesus' as much as I love the concept of Santa Claus, I don't believe in either but the concept and guidance of the idea is great, again for those who use it in a positive way. that goes for any other profit, messiah etc...
Muhammad, Jesus etc, may have truly existed as men, just as there was a real St Nickolas, but I don't believe any of them had special powers, except for persuasion.-
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vor11 months, 4 weeks ago
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What is the "concept of Jesus"? It would seem quite simple; to love rather than hate, to care for those less fortunate than yourself, to not take advantage of others misfortunes. I do believe a man of this name walked the Earth and likely fished near Galilee. But as far as the divinity of such a man I defer to Jefferson's view.
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I always refer those who wish to deconstruct an ancient religion to Mormonism which is of much younger origin. This religion is a perfect study in creating something of supposed validity from spurious roots. So easy to see where the core story came from, why it was so quickly believed, and that the finder of these unreadable documents was a charlatan and a fraud long before any idea of forming a sect occured to him. Imagine the Bible being developed from an encrypted code that only one man could read! His bank failure and the continued persecution of his flock were at odds with the utopic vision he offered. Sadly, if he had not been killed in jail he would likely have been revealed as a complete fraud by the Kinderhook Plates. But Mormonism survives, as irrational as its beginnings may be. Great proof that religions are not founded on fact but are more the product of one's vivid imagination (sometimes referred to as faith). Why anyone followed Smith is nearly illogical unless you look at the history of the region and time from which he came. Both Jesus and Mohammed arose from similar circumstances. -
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italymeetsdixie11 months, 3 weeks ago
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L....wolves: I have read the Bible and the Qoran. They are both full of the best stories that I have ever read in my life. Some of them have inspired me to change things in my life and some have taught me to avoid various character flaws (selfishness, hate, and vanity among others).
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But grandmother's words ring in my ears every time I start to have a conversation about faith. What is true for me, may not be true for others. For instance, I have never found it a difficult task to be faithful, but others may struggle with this daily. While I believe in a higher power, the source and significance it plays in my life is not the same for others.
I am not sure about the existance of Muhammad, although many legends have some foothold in reality. Jesus however, did exist. There are Roman documents, Greek documents, and various historical writings outside the Bible that have been enough proof of his actual existance for me. He was without doubt, in my mind, a holy man.
Sent from God, not so sure.
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orndorffter11 months, 4 weeks ago
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Tell me there is not a God or Jesus. when I fell down two flites of stairs I brock my foot and leg Buy I had prayer the same day That I was put into the cast. after prayer I decided to go to the Doctor the very next day, and I said"My foot and leg is not brocken, because I had prayer and I could fell God workin on my brocken foot and leg" the doctor refused to take my word on it, so I demanded him to xray it with the cast on. I sat there in the room for some while waiting for hm to come back in after he had re xrayed it. Suddenly he came in snd with a look on his face that I well never forget. he said, "Are you ready to get that cast off? and the he said you have no brocken bones in your body", There has to be a higher power somewhere and said the him being a Doctor he thought that I was nuts. I looked at him and said ,"as long as you have the faith of a grain of musterseed your prayers well be answered, and that higher power your talking about is God himself." and pointed up towards heven, the cast was taken of that day and I sure had the most wonderfulest news to gave to my church, family members and friends. what wondreful things that God has done for me and I can't began to count them all. yes ther is A God and Jesus!.Prayer does not hurt anyone as long as you belive.
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antibrainwasher11 months, 4 weeks ago
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Outside the minds of millions of fanatic imbeciles, there is no evidence for the existance, historical or physical, of the existance of Mohammad, Jesus, Buddah, that wierd multi-armed hindu babe, or any of the thousands of demi-gods con men have invented to sell to the sheeple, to relieve them of their money in exchange for controlling their behavior for some king or other.
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While you morons face east 4 times a day, your despot king is safely equipping his private army to protect him from you.
Bunch of brainwashed lemmings.... the unexamined life is not worth living. Your contribution to civilization is to change food into fertilizer. It is my sincere wish, that the moment before your worthless life ends, you realize there is no heaven, no nirvana, no 40 virgins, and the only life you ever will have has been wasted in persuit of a lie, perpetuated by con men. Suckers.-
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Pecossam11 months, 4 weeks ago
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antibrainwasher, "...the fool has said in his heart 'There is no God.' "
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I truly hope you find your way one day, as Saul (St. Paul) did on his way to Damascus. God bless you.
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skyanglfyre11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Secular humanists, liberals, and agnostics - you are guilty of the very things you denounce in others.
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History is as condemning of man separating himself from God as it is of man-made religions establishing themselves as intermediaries to God. The last hundred years have been especially indicting; atheistic doctrines have annihilated more people than all religions combined. Truth is not relative. Yet in today's media, secular humanists judiciously edit under the guise of enlightenment.
While irritating, this practice is particularly lethal as it relates to Islam. The errant recasting of the religion as peaceful, the reshaping of jihad into a spiritual struggle, the impression you convey that Islam is tolerant and that the terrorists have corrupted their religion, is wrong. Thousands have died in the wake of your illusions.
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puffin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyaQyuLmUiI
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johnnyt11 months, 3 weeks ago
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can we prove that anyone existed that is over say 200 years old...
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did paul revere exist? maybe he was a story written by ben franklin to inspire the revolution.
what about thomas jefferson, did he exist? sure we have some old sheets of paper with the name on them and some people long ago dead saying he existed, but could they have lied and just forged the name to keep from incriminating themself in the eyes of the british government? thomas jefferson could have been an alias.
why do you believe history books, but not the bible? what is the diffence between the two? isnt the saying history written by the victors? does that make it accurate.-
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RickyDawkins11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why do you believe the chicken scratch in the Bible, but NOT the history books?
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Do you believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth too?
Do evil spirits make us ill?
Do you think germs are fake because you can't see them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH23kuniRNI
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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"why do you believe history books, but not the bible? "
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As you stated yourself, because there is a wealth evidence. We have writings from Jefferson. We know where he lived and where he is buried. We have portraits, personal effects, letters written to and from him, and we have his distant relatives. While it is true he may have been manufactured, if that were the case, it was a flawless piece of deception (all the portraits look alike, all the writings are in the same hand, etc.). If it were an alias used by someone else, then the 'actor' is certainly as praiseworthy as the 'real' Jefferson would have been.
Corroboration from multiple sources is a good standard. Some places and people in the Bible have such evidence, most do not. The Bible is known to have stories 'borrowed' from other cultures in the region. Even the account of Jesus contains elements from the stories of Mithras. -
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You know there is no talking to you people ! Frist of all you have to have the faith and belive without any dault what so ever that what ever you ask of him it shall be given. I wish that I had never stop to post my opion, but thereis nothing you or anyone can say or do to change my mind, and if you ever read the Bible it tells you there well be days like this, only I didn't know that it could hurt this bad. And one person cant pray for the whole country and God answer it because the people have to have the faith .I pray for this county all the time but without the help of others who have unbelife how can my prayes help if we are all undevided and have not the faith? Faith is a very strong word and I myself well not say anything againt yous because I do not want the raft of God fall upon me. I am sorry for coming to this Story. forgive me but I well not write another comment in it again. nor well I be back to this Story.
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, orndorffter, though you won't read this, I'm sure your faith is very strong and I respect that, but if you come to the table with a fantastic tale of a broken leg and foot healed the very next day, people are going to call you on it.
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I'm sure you're not the only person praying for the country and the world, but not everyone has to pray with you. -
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lvrofwolves11 months, 3 weeks ago
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orndorffter, What you said about ''first of all you have to have faith and believe without any doubt whatsoever that whatever you ask of him it shall be given'',
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is just plain incorrect,
millions of faithful believers have prayed for things and they did not have their prayers answered. I'm pretty sure I learned that it is said that 'God' does whatever he sees fit, and not always what you pray for. I respect your having faith, but you should not give false hope to people, it may prevent them from seeking REAL help someday because they think 'God' will provide. Just an example, parents not taking their children that need medical attention because they believe 'God' will heal them. So this is one example of many........ -
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I did not go back to the story, I clicked on comments and read your comments I wont say Im sorry because I do know the God is the one who healed my foot and leg I well not denie that. he has answered many of my prayers, and I know that the ones he hasnt answered is becaue it is not his will. God does answer prayer and sometimes he dose not, but trying to make me think that he did not heal it wont work because I would give my life for the Lord. so Please stop trying to make me belive differnt. I am not at the sight of the Story i am on comments, I hope and Pray that he well come to all of you that daults what I said,in your dreams. and I was not trying to put fasle hope for anybody. Me of all people know better then that and only he himself knows what hes going to do with our country, I could pray all day all night everyday, but if its not in his will it wont happen. I didnt mean to stir up something like this, I was Just sharing with you what he did for me and that I belive in him, what he did for me doesnot mean that he'll do it for everybody. he works in ways we dont understand ,and nither do I.
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chuck-the-canuck11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why is it, with almost anything except religion, most people are able to distinguish between things that are just too good to be true and things that are dubious. But, when it comes to religion, they suspend their ability of critical judgement and give themselves up to the patently ridiculous.
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Virgin birth, talking shrubbery, conversational livestock, six-hundred year old carpenters? Give me a break. -
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Listen to the atheists who believe that there is no God rant about this story.
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There is real evidence that there was a Jesus and real evidence that there was a Muhammad. The lunatic fringe in the atheists are trying to deny what history and other writing have said. Even if you take away the sacred writings you are left with the secular writings that prove they existed. Foolish people.-
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Daylight11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Listen to the atheists who believe that there is no God rant about this story.
There is real evidence that there was a Jesus and real evidence that there was a Muhammad. The lunatic fringe in the atheists are trying to deny what history and other writing have said. Even if you take away the sacred writings you are left with the secular writings that prove they existed. Foolish people.
This is something that can agree with you even though listening to Christians make me think that Jesus looks like a myth but he is not he is real. In fact listening to Jesus doesn't make me think that he is a myth.
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Daylight11 months, 3 weeks ago
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One of the best sayings I have ever seen on the subject of religion was on a bumper sticker which read " I believe in life before death". it was simple, sensible, and to the point.
That is the materialistic view of life and our bumper sticker reads "Our Lord give us something in this world and in the hereafter" and that makes more sense. It really gives and convince people the purpose of life in this world in a world which is full of uncertainty and mystery.
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Georgia5011 months, 3 weeks ago
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The bible is distinguished among all book ever written in two ways:
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1. Along with all other books of devotion, one reads them. With the bible, it reads you.
2. The bible does not require scholars to authenticate it, because it is self-authenticating. When the woman annointed Jesus with oil, Jesus said wherever the gospel goes in the world, what that woman did would be told of her. And it just was...again. No other work of antiquity possesses this quality. -
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truthiness11 months, 3 weeks ago
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what possible difference does it make?
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if we found out the there never was a James Madison (author of the bill of rights) would it change the value of the work we attribute to him.
if people have faith in something, and it does them good, what possible reason could anyone have for trying to convince them they are wrong.. when there is no way to establish that sort of proof anyway.
and if they are using that faith to do harm (bin laden) is it really the faith we are trying to stop, or the harm? since there is harm being done across cultures and history, does it really seem likely that it is the nature of the faith that causes the harm? or does it seem more likely that people who desire to do harm will always find an excuse? and shouldn't those of us who wish to prevent it in the future should be trying to figure out the source of that desire?
religion didn't invent harm any more than money or politics did. when you go out of your way to tell someone that everything they believe is untrue, even though you can't prove it... that is also doing harm, but that doesn't make atheism the source of harm.
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RickyDawkins11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Many atheists find their way to disbelief through science. Over the centuries science has come to offer explanations of aspects of our world which were once the exclusive domain of religion. Because scientific explanations have been more productive than religious or theistic explanations, the ability of religion to demand allegiance has weakened. As a result, some people have come to entirely reject not only religion, but also belief in the existence of a god. For them, gods are useless as an explanation for any feature of the universe and provide nothing worth investigating.
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There are also philosophical arguments which many regard as successful in disproving most of the common conceptions of gods. For example, many atheists think that the Argument from Evil renders belief in an omniscient and omnipotent god completely irrational and unreasonable. Although gods without such attributes are not disproven, there is also an absence of any good reasons to believe in such gods. Without good reason, belief is either impossible or simply not worth having.
This last point is in many ways the most important. Disbelief is the default position — no one is born having a belief. Beliefs are acquired through culture and education. It is not ultimately up to the atheist to justify atheism; rather, it is up to the theist to explain why belief in a god is reasonable. In the absence of such an explanation, theism should be regarded as irrelevant at best, but more likely irrational.
Thus, a better question than “why are people atheists” would perhaps be “why are people theists?”
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RickyDawkins11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I distrust and criticise (sometimes strongly) certain organised religions because:
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* they are human inventions and many seem to be preoccupied with obsessively controlling aspects of peoples’ private lives instead of improving them
* many Christian churches seem primarily concerned with attracting money and then keeping it rather than using it charitably
* many holy books get descriptions of the world & nature completely wrong, which you would not expect had they been dictated by the omnipotent creator of the universe
* many holy books contain descriptions of human events that cannot be historically verified and in all likelihood never happened (eg. Exodus)
* many holy books contain numerous laws, acts & stories of a morality that modern, free societies find repugnant; these societies have passed many of their own laws contradicting such biblical “morality”
* as well as innumerable separate religions; there are so many separate & often violently opposed sects of each religion that it is more likely that none of them are correct than just one of them being so
* many religious groups demand special treatment such as the right not to be offended by statements, artworks, songs or anything else that may criticise or disagree with their dogma; their protests quite often run contrary to ideas such as free speech, beloved by most modern democratic societies
* religious groups frequently try to have laws passed which unfairly impose their narrow standards of behaviour, based on interpretations of specific holy commands, onto the rest of society
* religious people often tend to pick & choose from, or “interpret” their holy texts, discarding what does not conform to modern standards of morality, law & political freedom; they then bizarrely imply that modern morality, law and political freedom rests on the foundations of their particular religion
* there is such a wide spectrum of religious belief & adherence to dogma, ranging from light, barely-existent deism to the kind of rigid fundamentalism that oppresses and kills many, many people in its name, that it leads me to conclude that either their God wasn’t clear enough with his message, didn’t spread it to enough people or that humans have basically made their religions and associated rules up as they went along and have been in conflict with each other about them ever since
* many religious people & groups wilfully mis-characterise atheists as immoral, empty beings with no appreciation for beauty or mystery simply because we prefer natural explanations for the universe’s phenomena rather than defaulting to “God did it”; they believe that any explanation, even a wrong one, is better than “we just don’t know yet”
* many religious groups continue to deny long-accepted scientific facts such as the divergence of species through evolution and the verified age of the Earth; some wish their particular mythology taught as fact in science classes and go to extraordinary lengths to accomplish it; some even insist there’s a huge, dark Scientist Conspiracy quashing “academic freedom”
* many religious people & groups attempt to cherry-pick science (as they do their scriptures) for those parts which conform to their belief system while actively denying others, e.g. creationists agreeing with “microevolution” while denying “macroevolution” (which is like believing that matches cannot start bushfires) or attempting to use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to debunk the theory of evolution (which is like ajudicating a baseball game with a cricket rulebook)
* some religious groups deny the efficacy of modern medicine in favour of treating an ill person with prayer, a practice which has led to many preventable deaths, often of children
* they all make extraordinary claims based on their scriptures, provide no evidence beyond referring to their (unsurprisingly) self-confirming scriptures and then insist that the onus is on non-believers to disprove their claims
* many religions have become inextricably intertwined with the laws of the patriarchal or tribal cultures which spawned or adopted them, leading to divine justifications for such horrors as female circumcision and “honour killings”, which more often than not punish women, already under the thumbs of domineering males, for seemingly minute transgressions of law
* when it comes to the hot-button issue of sexual abuse by priests, many religions seem more concerned with good public relations, shielding themselves from culpability and keeping numbers in churches than with compensating victims and being active about either punishing perpetrators or preventing further abuse
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skyanglfyre11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You said, 'religion didn't invent harm any more than money or politics did. when you go out of your way to tell someone that everything they believe is untrue, even though you can't prove it... that is also doing harm, but that doesn't make atheism the source of harm.'
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The truth is obvious: the terrorists haven't corrupted their religion. Islam has corrupted them. The murderers are following their prophet's example. And while most Muslims aren't terrorists, all the really good ones are. They haven't corrupted Islam any more than the S.S. corrupted Nazism or the Kamikazes corrupted the culture of Imperial Japan. We have been fighting a war against the symptoms, not the source.
The Nation of Islam has been at war with everyone, including itself, for over 1,400 years.
Muslims celebrate their "victories," no matter how many innocents perish. Learn why their state-controlled media promotes terror. You'll know why their state-controlled schools teach hate. It will become evident why imams encourage martyrdom and jihad. And if that were not bad enough, consider this: our oil money pays for it all.
The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They reveal that he was a thief, a liar, an assassin, a pedophile, a womanizer, a rapist, a mass murderer, a pirate, a warmonger, and a scheming and ruthless politician. It's hardly the character profile of a religious leader. Gandhi he was not.
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vettenut11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Personally, I would like to ask another pertinent question, because of the moniker of the "poster" of this story, who obviously has a lot of pent-up hatred for, and extensively-cultivated bigotry against all "people of faith".......
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Seriously, there should be doubt as to whether or not Richard Dawkins actually exists, or ever did exist. Certainly, we who require proof beyond any doubt, and who think analytically, have grounds to doubt Mr. Dawkins' existence.
Various writings are attributed to him, you say. Nah, those could be contrived. And various critical analyses would reveal subtle differences in style and perspective. Therefore we must conclude that those writings originated from various other historically-known sources, not just from the alleged "Mr. Dawkins."
The sayings he allegedly uttered? Those can all be re-created in varying deviant forms by professional "voice-over" specialists. Hollywood and the BBC do this sort of thing all the time! No certainty to be had here either!
Eye-witness accounts, also are to be doubted. There are varying (and sometimes conflicting) "eye-witness" accounts of Mr. D. But, after all, those alleged "eye-witness accounts" could indeed be frauds, created with the help of elaborate stage and screen make-up, and complex schemes of deliberate deception, all fabricated to enhance the positions and authority of his "disciples.". Therefore, ALL personal accounts of encounters or visitations by Mr. D. are not to be simply "swallowed" or believed in a gullible fashion!
Corroboration by other contemporary sources is likewise to be doubted. Especially if those corroborations are not word-for-word "identical" to the "original" utterances or writings of Mr. D.
Dates of Mr. D's birth, and of his remarkable acts or utterances likewise are not consistent, therefore ALL are to be doubted.
Therefore, there is only one conclusion for those who truly are objective and not simply "kool-aid drinkers" like many who post their comments here on Propeller:
Seriously, there should be doubt as to whether or not Richard Dawkins actually exists, or ever did exist. Certainly, we who require proof beyond any doubt, and who think analytically, have ample grounds to doubt Mr. Dawkins' existence.
There is no other logical or scientifically credible alternative to this view!!!
What a shame that the poster of this article "drinks the kool-aid" in such a shameless, un-scientific and gullible fashion.......
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kobzikov11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The only individuals that I'm aware of who ask for proof beyond any doubt are irrational.
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Rational individuals feel quite comfortable with proofs beyond reasonable doubt and usually don't feel the need to attempt to prove anything to the irrational who hold such laughable standards as requiring "proofs beyond any doubt". -
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truthiness11 months, 3 weeks ago
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and how do we know the earth is really round? has anyone here ever circumnavigated the earth? do you know anyone, personally, who has? it could be part of some vast conspiracy to break the power of the church which taught the truth heliocentrism.
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the only way we can all remain standing on a flat earth is with gravity, yet not a single scientist can explain the method of gravity. instead they create a myth of gravitons which they have no proof for and ask us to have faith in, because it is required for our faith in a round earth to work.
and doesn't mars look remarkably like the nevada desert?
and what is the basis for sting theory and dark matter? oh yeah, faith in their mathematical calculations.
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frctm511 months, 3 weeks ago
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Debating religious ideas is completely futile and pointless. When people ask me if I believe in God, I tell them I am waiting for better evidence. Its obvious to me that God does not want to show up himself to settle the debate. All these people are so self assured that their interpretation is the correct one but not a single one can produce a single piece of objective evidence to vindicate their view. I would suggest an experiment. Lets have a group of Muslims, a group of Jews, and a group of Christians have a prayer competition to see whose prayer is answered more often. They would all have to pray to alter the outcome of the same event so that all would be equal in terms of the laws of physics and probability. Science consistently demonstrates its veracity. No religion comes close to enjoying the same batting average. Talk is cheap. If your belief is the right one, demonstrate it. Show me a miracle.
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Popdisplay11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't want to say more.Its very big topic to discuss.
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You can see the the all proof here:
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chinadol12311 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am reminded of the story about the Russians who went to the moon during the space race. They looked around them and said "we don't see God anywhere he is not up here". Another Astronaut that went to the moon said "God is all around me".
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If the design is not proof enough of designer, I doubt much else will convince.-
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chinadol12311 months, 3 weeks ago
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That's a really good question. I'm sure it might sound like foolishness to you because you're coming from a different point of view but I'll try and give an answer. At least as I see it. Energy, according to scientific law cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. And yet, all of the energy in the world had to come from somewhere, had to start from somewhere. If you believe the big bang theory is the most viable explanation for how the world began, well the engergy and the speck that exploded came from somewhere. I'm just saying science still has a lot to explain about how the world began and I feel an intelligent designer is a distinct possibility. God, by the very nature of being God, is outside of time and creation. I know, to you it sounds like some convienent way of explaining things away, and I sure don't claim to know everthing or have all the answers about how the world began, but I think it's worth atleast considering and exploring. As for which God is the right God, well I could go on for pages on that but it would be pointless if you don't first believe there is a God.
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Sandokan11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Are you kidding me??? Sky and Bigbad John are related????
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Let's see...hmmm....the Bible as historically proven; is a conglomeration of stories taken from the Book of Hammurabi (Babylon) - in and from which, depending on the the various authors - from Greek Orthodox scholars to Jews, including the Essene community, lessons & background information were transcribed and spoken ...yes spoken to the communities at large.
And as you know, other factors played a large role, similar to the Koran, in polluting the truth - as far as "truth" or fact can be surmised in regards to the beginning of human history! Those factors being driven and powered by the inherent greed & goals of the authors concerned!
So like the Sharia in the Islamic world - with its gaping holes of uncertainty & lack of logic or the Mormons and their "golden plates", the Jehovah Witnesses with their insistence that if you don't call God with his true name, he won't hear you... in other words Religious forms set up to worship the Supreme Being - all amount to the same thing - Guess work with coincidences as supporting logic. At best, religion makes the best form of business to sell from ...simply put, no one has been there and back to prove it! It's just customer perception that is the main driver. YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE DEFEND THE CAR OF THEIR CHOICE!!!
So it comes as no surprise to this reader that the Internet Threat Prophets (ITP) like skyanglofire ....whoops skyanglfyre can see no further then the hood of their vehicle. Like the way I tied it all up on my discourse... yeah!!!! LOL -
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lovecreator10 months ago
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i just want to say one thing..if quraan wasnt god's book it should have been changed fully or some text from it.. but since 1430yrs its the same as it was...just close your eyes take a deep breath and think for 10mins.. u will get ur answer.. is that possible to keep any book AS IT IS for 1400years or just 100years?
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