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Posted By socialexpert 1 year, 1 month ago in Science & TechnologyIn the early 1900s, near the Berezovka river in Ukraine, frozen Woolly Mammoths were found with half chewed food still in their mouths, and more food undigested in their stomachs.
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Endoscopy1 year, 1 month ago
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This is ridiculous. For the last 10 years the trends have been flat or downward for temperature. The ocean submerged sensors have given that reading as well. The Antarctic Ice cap is growing except where the undersea volcanoes are spewing out lava in the northern most part of Antarctica. The glaciers that every one rants about had a lot of reduction they are ranting about over 150 years ago. That process is turning around. Gore claims that if the North Pole melts the surface of the oceans will rise 20 inches. That will generate 0 inches since all of that ice floats on water. The most reasonable scientists claim the level change if all the ice melts is 2 inches. And the problem is Antarctica is growing more ice.
Temperatures seem to be falling so this story tries to come up with a reason why. Can't be wrong on global warming. Has to be some other reason for the cooling.-
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StevieGee1 year, 1 month ago
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The earth absorbs a fairly constant amount of energy from the sun every day. Some of it is reflected back into space. Ice reflects more energy than water so as ice melts a greater proportion of this energy is absorbed . At night a lot of the energy, in the form of heat, is radiated. Carbon dioxide and hydrocarbons in the atmosphere act as an insulating blanket around the planet preventing some of this heat from radiating into space. If we absorb more than is radiated the Earth will warm up. Endo, whether you believe in global warming or not, you have to realize that all of those hydrocarbons in our atmosphere cannot be good for the long term survival of our planet.
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Spinward1 year, 1 month ago
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Good points there, Stevie, BUT the warming that would result from CO2 and water vapor would cause warming in all levels of the atmosphere and the upper atmosphere is not indicating any warming at all... just the surface.
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This is an indicator that the warming of the surface only is NOT atmospheric (caused by greenhouse gasses) as once thought. Puzzle, yes?
I actually did a study and found that urbanization has impacted our temperature recording data on the surface, causing them to indicate higher temperatures ERRONEOUSLY. (A weather station once located in a green pasture is now located next to a runway, for example)
No, pollution is not a good thing, but I hope Obama changes his promise and hesitates to pull the trigger on the U.S. economy in some blind attempt to cool the planet. An iceage would be worse (in terms of survival) than a 5 degree temperature increase over the next 200 years.
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RobertLCrocker1 year, 1 month ago
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Good analysis endo but I'm afraid that in the first decade of the new millenium that human caused Global Warming has taken on the role the CIA assumed in the 1970s. In 2008 Global Warming is capable of just about anything... including the cooling of the planet.
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CaptainLucid1 year, 1 month ago
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Endo, you are so goddamn stupid that the republicans might want to nominate you for pres. You have managed to make a post that is absolutely and beyond reasonable doubt completely false. It works like this retard. I have 2 sources of information to compare. I can listen to your completely unsupported claim that temperatures are dropping, or I can open my window and feel the heat and then I can turn on the news and see that this is a new heat record. As far as the idea of floating ice and the sea level here again you show your complete lack of knowledge about reality. I know physics and you don't . Try this experiment at home. freeze a big block of ice say a 5 inch cube. Put it in a 5 gallon bucket of water and measure the water level. then wait til it melts and measure the water level. If it stays at 0 feel free to post. If it rises please reply with the following.
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Thank you CaptainLucid for pointing out that I was wrong, I am sorry and will make a at least a minimal attempt to know if something is correct. I am sorry for posting comments as fact when I have no idea what they mean.
By the way all you other readers please feel free to try the Idiotscopy test with the block of ice and the bucket of water test. Endoscopy says the water level won't rise. Here is an easy way all of you at home can see right in front of your very eyes that endo is a lying retard.-
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TonyByron1 year, 1 month ago
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CaptainLucid said: "I know physics and you don't . Try this experiment at home. freeze a big block of ice say a 5 inch cube. Put it in a 5 gallon bucket of water and measure the water level. then wait til it melts and measure the water level. If it stays at 0 feel free to post. If it rises please reply with the following."
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Hey Captain Fizzicks, put three ice cubes in a measuring cup, add water until the water line is at the one cup mark. Check the level after the ice cubes melt.-
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CaptainLucid1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes, the water level rose. Did you expect something different? Did you even have a point? Have you ever opened a physics book? Have you been listening to people like endo too much? I can't believe I am debating with 2 idiots who post crap they have no idea about and then mock the reality that they refuse to take a look at. Its like if someone said you were broke so your response was to show them a bunch of 20s in your wallet but they said they weren't interested in seeing it and then they still make fun of you for being broke.
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dubatsjer1 year, 1 month ago
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Re ace age
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The earth came to it's present orbit in a thick, thick encasement of ice, not a fiery ball, as the theory of a volcano blocking out the sun.
A miracle happened that tells His unknown story. A book titled Dinosaurs God and Nature can be found on the google book search engine. Often theories are found to be wrong, like the one that the earth is flat.
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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Thanks for the post socialexpert. It is very interesting but way off base as Endo touched on. The best theory that I have read concerning the mammoths with the food still in their mouths was put forward by Emmanual Veliskovsky in the early 50's in his book "Worlds in Collision". There is also good reading on this event in Willy Ley's "On the track of unknown Animals".
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By the way google "Heinrich Events" and you can study the fluctuations of temperature rise and fall, always an Ice Age will follow a Global Warming event. Global Warming is real but it is not very much influenced by humanity.
Veliskovsky postulated that either a comet or Venus was captured into the Solar System and the cosmic near collision with earth stripped the atmosphere from the earth suddenly exposing these Wolly's to outer space conditions. The shock, he says, stunned them and caused them to pass out immediately without swallowing. Before they could recover lack of oxygen and the outer space cold did them in.
Willy Ley went looking for the basis behind rumors or legends. His premise was that every legend has a story of fact whether in reality or not. He decided to take a party and investigate the Siberian Eskimo story about the "Ice Moles" that would die if struck by sunlight. What he found were frozen Wolly Mammoths so perfectly preserved that the trail dogs immediately started to rip off the flesh. One of those frozen mammoths, a baby. is soon to be fished for DNA to try and allow an elephant to become a surrogate mother. Possibly a mammoth may some day once again walk the earth.-
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CaptainLucid1 year, 1 month ago
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Now here is something I can listen to that has a possible cause and that explains the outcome. Even a climber on Everest still swallows its food before it freezes. A mammoth will take a long time to freeze even in temperatures colder than any ever seen on earth. A lot longer than to swallow. Therefore these mammoths died suddenly. A massive space event that contaminates the atmosphere whether stripping O2 or maybe putting a bunch of some nasty gas and dust in the air is the most likely cause of sudden death. That mini ice-age endocrappy stuff though is ridiculous. And by the way if we can reintroduce the mammoth which would be incredible and likely followed with sabertooth tigers I unfortunately also see the McMammoth supersize combo once we can breed them all.
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kobzikov1 year, 1 month ago
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Velikovsky's ideas have been widely discredited.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky
It still surprises me that anyone still takes his lunacy of using mythological sources to revise known history and archeology, not to mention cosmology and physics seriously.
Just hearing someone say that Venus was a comet spewed out from a volcano on Jupiter, came in close proximity to Earth and thereby caused the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah made me think that it's a joke and yet some people actually take it at face value.-
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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kobzikov. It appears that the gremlins of Propeller have once again struck out a comment that I wrote. Probably spent 20 to 30 minutes writing what I though was an interesting discussion.
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I will re-compose the damn thing and send you a message so you can read it. I think you'll like it. I posted the comment and it was there a couple of hours ago. That really gripes me. I need to start copying my comments again ( like I use to do ) so that when they "disappear" I don't have to start all over.
I will re-write it , copy it, and message it to you. I might even re-post it. I wasn't ignoring your comment. This is the only site I ever lose posted comments on.
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Spinward1 year, 1 month ago
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So much misinformation on this topic as VERY FEW actually do research on their own.
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RobertLCrocker1 year, 1 month ago
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Good analysis endo but I'm afraid that in the first decade of the new millenium that human caused Global Warming has taken on the role the CIA assumed in the 1970s. In 2008 Global Warming is capable of just about anything... including the cooling of the planet.
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nostalgia1 year, 1 month ago
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With the primaries and the election, many stories about the issue of global warming were largely ignored
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According to data from UCLA’s Mount Wilson Observatory, the last time this happened was in 1913. When the sun is active, there are easily 100 or more sunspots in a month. While there’s an 11-year cycle of diminished sunspots, the current lack has scientists puzzled.
Russian scientists having been warning about this for years.
In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov predicted the sun would soon peak, triggering a rapid decline in world temperatures. Only last month, the view was echoed by Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. who advised the world to "stock up on fur coats." Sorokhtin, who calls man's contribution to climate change "a drop in the bucket," predicts the solar minimum to occur by the year 2040, with icy weather lasting till 2100 or beyond.
VANISHING SUNSPOTS PRELUDE TO GLOBAL COOLING?
Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum," along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age.
Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun.
The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum," along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again. Overseeing a giant radio telescope he calls a "stethoscope for the sun," Tapping says, if the pattern doesn't change quickly, the earth is in for some very chilly weather
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nostalgia1 year, 1 month ago
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Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015?
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Here is the abstract of a short paper on recent solar trends by William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson
If the present trend continues, this date is when sunspots will disappear from the solar surface.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/02/livingston-a...
There is a link in this article to the actual report by Livingston and Penn if you are interested
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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Thanks nostalgia. Your mention of the little Ice Age coincides with the Heinrich events and their periodic variation. I often wondered if a study of the Heinrich curves showed a "pulling" of CO2 and other levels along the curve with the changes as a reaction to the Heinrich fluctuations. This would account for the rise in levels of CO2 that has many scientists in a dither about Global warming. As I said earlier in a comment, I doubt that Global warming is a result of human input ( although of course some input is there, my idea is that it is meaningless to the overall picture ).
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Your link did mention the sunspot activity correlation to the Little Ice Age. I don't recall whether that was a mention of the cycle activity but it varies from about 700 to 1500 years right in step with the Heinrich cycles.
There will be cycles of warming and cooling in the coming ages and mankind will have no control of it. Have you ever read about the Aztec calendar predicting sunspot activity signalling the end of the world in 2012? A quaint thing but interesting.
We probably have more to worry about the asteroid Apopis in 2027 or is it 2029?
Thanks for your interesting and informative input.
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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Yes Velikovsky has been poopooed by many great scientists, none, I might add who have come up with an alternative idea about how those mammoths died without swallowing.
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And most of his criticism came before many of his theories were in fact proven correct - but not the venus trip through the Universe. However I do believe that it was some astronomical event akin to his theory that did cause the mammoth thing.
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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zovikov. It appears I'm not going to be able to post my comment or send you a message with my comment in it.
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My apologies.
Send me a message where I can communicate with you and I'll send it and let you know on what other websites I visit. I don't have this problem on any of them. -
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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Kobzikov. Finally found out that I had too many characters. Here is the first part of what I wrote in reply:
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It is true that Velikovsky was strongly attacked for his theories, but most of what he postulated has now been proven to be correct. And I did go read Wikipedia‘s posting about his life and career. I think it was very fair and very comprehensive. I have read several of his books even a few that weren’t listed in the Wikipedia story. Don’t know why they were left out.
Carl Sagan (Cosmos) was one of his greatest critics (I used to be a member of the Carl Sagan Engineers Club –but that was many moons ago). Anyway as renowned as was Sagan, not all of his Ideas turned out to be correct and his most favored idea, evolution, he turned away from and renounced it a few years before his death. In fact he said that scientifically, it couldn’t happen. In Amil Aczir’s book “ Probability One” there is much discussion about the “P” factor, one of the factors in the probability algorithm that Amil and Sagan worked on together.
One of my favorite events in history where scorn for one’s beliefs caused a setback in the world’s knowledge is the story of the Atomists. They were contemporary with Plato and Socrates. In fact the Atomists were competitors of the Sophistry of Socrates. For this Socrates and Plato were always trying to discredit them and their theories.
By the way the Atomists believed and taught that everything in nature was composed of little bitty indivisible things, the smallest little pieces of matter that they named Atoms. They taught that these small things would combine together by a force of nature to form bigger things. These clumps of the different kinds of atoms they called Molecules. And they said from different combinations of Molecules was everything formed. They even believed in a round earth when everybody knew that the earth was flat.
Well Socrates and the boys were infuriated by the nonsense that the Atomists were teaching and they plotted to destroy them by exposing them for the frauds they were. Finally they had their chance when one of the Atomists Theories could be proven wrong and they jumped on that like a flea on a dog and rode them unmercifully until the teachings about Atoms and Molecules became dust in the bin of history. It wasn’t until the Atomic Age that the scientific world realized how correct the Atomists were. -
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CHAM1 year, 1 month ago
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For the second part:
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The reason I mentioned Willy Ley is that his premise was that for every legend there is a truth not necessarily what is thought but there is a reason for the story. The Mammoths died with un-swallowed food for some reason. Sodom and Gomorrah also was consumed for a reason. And the plagues concerning the Egyptians and Moses Velikovsky brought into a time frame that coincides with the explosion of Thera, the Volcanic Explosion that destroyed the Minoan civilization. A good book on this is “Thera” I think it is by the Woods Hole Institute.
I have long been a Cataclysmic Theory student and have read no telling how many books on it. The history of Earth is replete with one cataclysmic event after another, Pole flopping, Crust Slippage, Frozen Over, hit by meteorites and comets, etc. and etc. The most proved thing to me was his theory that the Pole Flopping would cause a Coriolis effect where animal and vegetation life would be swept toward the poles by the waves that would sweep over the land during the crust slippage. You might find that his expedition to the Bering Sea found a staggering mass of compacted fossils from Equatorial and Temperate zones jammed together in a cosmic burial. -
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Unibab1 year ago
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I'm amazed at the narrowness with which the mammoth issue is approached. It seems that all explanations must revolve around climate issues. Has anyone considered the possibility of the very real phenomenon of spontaneous methane release from within the earth's crust. This very real event has been thought to have catastrophic, yet localized effects. A methane cloud would surely be sufficient to bring down a mammoth. I would be interested in speculation regarding the release of other gases as well. Life on this planet is fragile and dependent on a delicate balance of O2, CO2, N2, etc. Anything that disrupted that balance for a matter of minutes would kill any mammal. Partially chewed food for thought.
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