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(Boston, Massachusetts) The Boston-based group that won equal marriage rights in Massachusetts and Connecticut said Tuesday it intends to fight for gay marriage rights in the other four New England states and predicted success by 2012.
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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DaneL1 year ago
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"but the fight continues."
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I especially liked the fight between the elderly woman and the homosexual man on the news. Where he ripped the cross from her hands and threw in on the ground, stomping it. Now there was a fight. That took a lot of nerve and great for public opinion. That was public relations at it's best.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Disgusting!!!
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This needs to be stopped. Every time it comes up for a vote it loses. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There are other names for the relationships that have equal standing in the law so the homosexuals are just fighting over a word.-
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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Really? You genuinely believe that so many gays and lesbians are fighting over a word? You really think this is a semantics battle? Wrong, sir, wrong! First, if marriage is just a word, then end ALL marriages, gay or straight. If homosexuality is so disgusting, then so too is much of creation. You see, science has documented well over 450 species on the planet which have homosexual members within their species. Humans are among them. Genetic arguments claiming we would be wiped out over generations as some sort of aberration have been demonstrated wrong repeatedly.
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Equal standing under the law does not come from civil unions as has been decided in Connecticut and Massachusetts. Both New Jersey and Vermont governments established commissions to determine whether "separate" really meant "equal." In both states, the answer was a resounding, "NO!" Often gays and lesbians were rejected as equals to straight marriages in a wide variety of disputes ranging from employment and housing, to civil litigation against UPS.
Hence, sir, to claim that gays and lesbians are fighting over a word is blatantly wrong!
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year ago
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I prefer keeping the historical meaning of marriage- between one man and one women. Marriage between same sex people changes the whole meaning of marriage. Marriage between a man and a women is very different from a same sex marriage. I don't care if they want to make a lifetime committment of some sort but calling it marriage infringes upon upon the traditional meaning of marriage.
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Just as gays want heteros to respect their lifestyles then gays need to respect the meaning of marriage to heteros. Gays should start their own history and create a new term for marriage rather than using the heteros term.
For those who don't know marriage was created as a union between one man and one women for child bearing and rearing. Hetero and gay child bearing and rearing is very different.-
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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Really? By your arguments, marriage should have a sunset clause. When women pass child bearing age, the marriage is over. So many men in their mid-life crises will be happy to know that. What about sterile men and women, or those who do not want children? Should they be stopped as they are saying their vows?
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Traditional marriage once prevented blacks from marrying whites and at one distinguished time (using that word extremely loosely) blacks could NOT marry one another! You see, during slave times, black men were property as were black women. Property could not wed because they could not consent. Hence, tradition, as you so put it, would deny blacks a marriage license. Of course, we have heard of Loving v. Virginia which finally permitted blacks and whites to marry!
No infringement of the definition of marriage exists if you consider that marriage really is about the joining of one partner of consenting age to another partner of consenting age. If children really is the concern of the government and society, then it is debatable as to whether relatives should be legally wed. You see, incest has been scientifically documented to lead to severe birth defects. (Of course, I enter the royals of England into evidence, but I digress.)
Moxxxxxx, I wholeheartedly disagree with your arguments, and further contend that being gay is no more a "lifestyle" than being straight. Lifestyle implies choice, and neither gay men nor lesbians choose to be gay. If we did, then ask yourself, at what point did you conscientiously choose to be straight?! Most importantly, separate does not mean the same as equal! -
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year ago
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David-n,
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I agree gay or hetero isn't a lifestyle choice. I didn't choose to be hetero and nothing can change me into being gay and vice versa.
Lifestyles and cultures are different for heteros and gays. To deny there is a difference dis credits both. The ideas, values and beliefs regarding relationships is different. The only similarity is that most people want to be loved and committed to someone. The rules and standards that our society places on heteros isn't the same for gays. And while many heteros do not follow conventions the rules and standards still apply and heteros are judged accordingly. I haven't heard any gays speak against their groups criticism and jokes about heteros. Yet they want to accept the idea of marriage for themselves. We should be talking about the differences between hetros and gays ideas and values related to relationships, parenting and marriage. -
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year ago
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Differences:
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A father or mother is missing in same sex families.
A father and mother is the foundation in hetero marriage.
There isn't even a remote chance that same sex couples can conceive a child together.
Some heteros will marry knowing they don't want children but that is not the norm. Children are expected in hetero marriages.
At some point in a gay mans life he may want to be in a comitted relationship but gay men are more tolerant of infidelity or mutliple sex partners.
Infidelity and mutiple sex partners is a taboo, and not looked upon lightly in hetero marriage. A legal reason for divorce.
Lesbians do not see the necessity of a male figure in a child's life. Some are perfectly ok with having children who never know their biological father.
Hetero marriage values both the mother and father.
Gay people are equal to heteros as far as parenting skills and the ability to nuture their children, but deliberatley bringing a child in the world who will never know his biological parents is unfair to the child. It is human nature to want to know where you came from. You can try and raise a child to think it isn't important and some have done a very good job of that but everyone at some point in their life will ask the question: Who am I? How did I come into existence?
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david_nwpa1 year ago
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Other than the recognition and love that can come with the term marriage, the recognition of one's community and one's church, I can only ask, why do heteros marry? Gays wed for the same reasons. They seek to embrace marriage, not ruin it.
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