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RobertLCrocker1 year, 1 month ago
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Ivro... this issue isn't about "equal rights". Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man. Not a woman and a woman. Not a woman and a dog. Not a man and a goat. Not a man and a sheep. It's defined as being between a man and a woman. This isn't real complicated stuff.
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david_nwpa1 year, 1 month ago
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You are right about one thing. This is not a complicated issue. For everything else, you are wrong. Let me tell you why. First, no one is suggesting a dog, goat, sheep or inanimate object should be allowed to wed. They CANNOT consent. Those are idiotic arguments, so STOP using them.
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Second, this is about civil rights. Unlike the Federal Constitution, the State of California's Constitution believes in freedom and equality for all. As explained in its May ruling, the California Supreme Court ruled that marriage is a fundamental right so basic in its concept, that it cannot be taken away from anyone even by Constitutional Amendment or the initiative process.
That said, the vote was 4 to 3 with that ruling. The law of the land became that gays and lesbians could marry the partner of their choosing, in much the same way straight people also get to marry the person whom they choose. All are due equal rights under the law. Hence, if a straight man wants to marry another straight man, I suppose in theory, they could.
You see, not complicated at all. Why do you insist on denying gays and lesbians equal rights? What harm do they bring the institution of marriage?
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DaneL1 year, 1 month ago
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"but the fight continues."
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I especially liked the fight between the elderly woman and the homosexual man on the news. Where he ripped the cross from her hands and threw in on the ground, stomping it. Now there was a fight. That took a lot of nerve and great for public opinion. That was public relations at it's best.-
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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When you have had a woman like that spit on you in the street, and her children spit on you just for walking down the street, then talk to me about how rude that man was.
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When you are with a group of friends at the symphony and you have to hear someone screaming at you personally that you are going to burn in hell forever over and over in front of your parents, then tell me how that was an awful "attack."
When you have a friend who is standing waiting for the bus in a gay part of town who gets beaten to a bloody pulp just for being there, then tell me that taking a cross from someone who is in your neighborhood screaming in your face that you don't deserve the same rights that they do is a heinous crime.
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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So you would never fight back? You are telling me that if someone spits in your face you would do nothing. You wouldn't fight back when someone punches you or yells in your face or threatens your children? You are obviously a better man than anyone I know.
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I am not condoning taking something from a lady but she took something from me. She took my rights. Why shouldn't we retaliate? I loved that Huckabee was on the view talking about how gays haven't suffered violence and therefore aren't suffering the way that black people have. He should try and sell that load of BS to Matthew Sheperd's mom or that young man who was gunned down by one of his classmates at 14. Or what about the 11 people shot in a cafeteria by a lunatic who was mad about DADT. I guess that people are surprised that the gay community is finally coming together as a community and fighting back. I'm just sorry it took so long.
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david_nwpa1 year, 1 month ago
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Would you argue that the Civil Rights marchers of the 1960s and the Women's Rights movement of the 1970s were little more than throngs of whiners? Sounds odd to me. Seems the ones whining are those who think they are protecting marriage. Protecting it from inclusion? Pray tell, how does that work exactly? How do gays getting married threaten anyone else's marriage? If your marriage is that threatened by gays getting married, then should you be married at all?
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david_nwpa1 year, 1 month ago
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Why not? What is the key difference other than your own prejudices and bigotry? Gays and lesbians have been fighting for equal rights since the 1960s. In fact, one could trace the roots of the gay and lesbian fight back further to the 1940s, when gays and lesbians were often arrested solely for being gay.
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Some would argue that the first gay marriages in Boston and New York took place in the 1890s. Under assumed and androgynous names such as Pat, couples would arrive at the clerk's office, pay a fee, (if necessary a bribe) and legally wed. They would live out the rest of their lives in quiet secrecy with the blessings of their respective states.
People who would go to such lengths to be married clearly show that my premise is indeed accurate. Saying you do not put civil rights marches and the women's movement on the same plane does not necessarily mean that the struggles are not the same. Hence, sir, I stand by my convictions.
One more point...you never answered any of MY questions! Why is that? Couldn't you muster an answer?-
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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Then so is heterosexuality. It's a lifestyle too. Therefore legally one lifestyle cannot be bestowed rights that another can't, according to the constitution and the Supreme Court. Therefore gay marriage should be a non issue. It should simply be.
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puffin1 year, 1 month ago
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Yup, actually they are in some cities. And the mailboxes are pink.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davie_Village
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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As a matter of fact it is. There are large rainbow towers that line the street. Mayor Daley gave money to designate "Boystown" a gay friendly neighborhood and the Chamber of Commerce had the towers installed about 8 years ago.
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And there is a gay ghetto in nearly every major city. The Castro is a gay part of town wouldn't you say? In Dallas it's Oaklawn. In Houston it's The Montrose.
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Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago
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In many major cities, you betcha! Chicago has a 'gay' district, and yes, it IS marked with rainbows. Denver has a smaller one. Though it isn't marked, all the natives know about it. I'll betcha New York has a fairly identifiable one. Miami has South Beach. Los Angeles has Silver Lake. London has Soho. Mexico City has Zona Rosa, etc.
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San Francisco is unique, because it has a couple of non-gay districts. These areas are marked with plaid/seersucker.
All these areas share a common blight: frequent gay-basher incidences, like vandalism, harassment, fights, etc.
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
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The man should have had more restraint, for sure, but you picked a relatively mild form of violence compared to the violence inflicted on Gays. Show me an article or video of gays beating up a straight guy, then that would be comparable to what gays are subjected to on a constant basis.
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DaneL1 year, 1 month ago
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
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Can you provide any links to what I've asked or not? And I agree that the act by the gay man was reprehensible if true. I've not seen the video you described and would like to see it. Was there any provocation for his actions or was it unprovoked? Doesn't make his actions right if provoked but I could understand his rage and frustrations.
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ybdogsct1 year, 1 month ago
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CHARLSON: "Can you provide any links to what I've asked or not?"
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I think the answer is obvious.
No, he can't.
Charlson, you're absolutely right--the man should have had more restraint. On the other hand, considering the persecution and discrimination homosexuals have had to endure, it's quite laughable to see them play the victim when homosexuals decide that they have had enough.
What happened here is a backlash, and by definition, in order to have a "backlash," one must first have been provoked past his or her tipping point. Considering the discrimination homosexuals have to endure, I'm not surprised that this incident represented the "straw that broke the camel's back."
And for every instance that DANEL can cite of homosexuals lashing back by physically abusing their persecutors (and he hasn't cited any so far), I can cite 10 instances of homosexuals being discriminated against and, in many instances, physically abused for a sexual preference they were born with.
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DaneL1 year, 1 month ago
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2129846/p...
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next time look it up yourself-
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
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Thank you DaneL. That was a rather heated demonstration and the protesters did seem out of control. But other than grabbing the cross and stomping on it, I saw no physical violence but mostly jostling and pushing and a lot of verbal insults and shouting. They certainly should have been more restrained but it still does not rise to the level of violence I've seen inflicted on Gays.
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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She obviously was provoking that. Didn't you see her strutting for the cameras in the middle of what is obviously a heated demonstration to begin with or was that just me?
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And how dare she try and play the martyr! She was trying to get press during a demonstration. That is why people kept her from being interviewed. That is why people covered her face up with signs while she was walking away. She didn't care about protesting. She just wanted press.
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
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Now DaneL, I made a point to say that type of behavior was not acceptable. Didn't you read my posts? But I also asked you to show me gays beating or killing a straight man. And how common is that? We know the answer to that don't we? Gays have always been a minority in this country and have always been discriminated against and vilified by the majority. I don't condone the actions of that man or crowd but they have some justification for their anger. Straights don't. Gays are no REAL threat to the institution of marriage between a man and a woman. Marriages are more threatened by those in the relationship than gays or lesbians. I think your bigotry and prejudices are more threatening than the lifestyle of gays and lesbians. And before you ask, I am straight and happily married. You are really a piece of work.
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ybdogsct1 year, 1 month ago
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DANEL:
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"Did you see the link. You are wrong AGAIN! "
Actually, I did see the link. There is a video able on youtube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hRJAd7GInQ
What is evident from the video is that there was NO physical violence, and the woman is not pressing charges because she suffered NO trauma.
DANEL:
"Soin your opinion as long as there are more instances of physical abuse against homosexuals, then it's fine for them to act this way."
Wow. It's official. You are clearly ILLITERATE. I admitted earlier that: "the man should have had more restraint," (my exact words) even though the woman was actually NOT abused.
I also find it laughable that, AS PREDICTED, you have FAILED to produce evidence (i.e. convictions or indictments) of physical abuse or murder committed by homosexuals directed at heterosexuals.
PATHETIC.
Spin this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24285355/wid/6448213/
"During an emotional hearing in the House on Thursday, lawmakers and witnesses likened the treatment of teens in youth boot camps to the kind of torture faced by prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Investigators uncovered cases in which a program employee's pit bull was trained to bite students in the groin and where teens had bags placed over their heads and nooses slipped around their necks. The GAO uncovered thousands of allegations of abuse, some of which involved death, at residential programs since the early 1990s."
http://www.amnestyusa.org/lgbt-human-rights/stonew...
The pattern of police hostility and misconduct towards the LGBT community has been documented by Amnesty International USA. In Stonewalled: Police abuse and misconduct against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in the U.S., Amnesty International (AI) documents a serious pattern of police abuse and misconduct including: (1) sexual, physical and verbal abuse, including incidents constituting torture or ill-treatment; (2) profiling and discriminatory enforcement of certain laws and ordinances against LGBT people; and (3) failure to respond or inappropriate response to "hate crimes" and domestic violence.
http://www.floridablade.com/2005/1-28/news/localne...
"Police arrested two suspects Jan. 26 in connection with the murder of a gay physician in the upscale Citrus Isles neighborhood of Fort Lauderdale. Dr. Harry T. Grossman, a local anesthesiologist, was found beaten to death in his home. Grossman was hit several times on the head and choked. Corro said Grossman preferred to be low key about his sexual orientation."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/a...
"Boys arrested in gay murder hunt: A 13-year-old boy and two 17-year-olds were arrested and bailed in connection with the murder of a gay bar manager. Jody Dobrowski, 24, was beaten to death on in a homophobic attack in the early hours of Saturday."
"Six people were arrested yesterday in connection with the murder of a gay man who was beaten to death in an apparent homophobic attack. David Morley, 37, was sitting by the Thames near the Royal Festival Hall with a friend on Saturday night when he was set upon by a group of teenagers in an attack police believe was prompted by homophobia. A postmortem examination showed that he received 40 blows, and suffered fractured ribs and a ruptured spleen. Police said four other people had been beaten with fists, feet and improvised weapons in separate incidents near the Thames that night. Five years ago he was bar manager at the Admiral Duncan pub on Old Compton Street when a nail bomb exploded, killing three people and injuring more than 70."
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=6912
"Man arrested on suspicion of cruising murder: A 29-year-old man handed himself in at a police station earlier today and has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a 50-year-old gay man. The murder suspect will be questioned by detectives about a knife attack in a public toilet."
http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/v3/news/latest...
"Tiller encountered 2 males on the St Mawes ferry returning from Falmouth. Having initially made conversation with them, he questioned their sexuality and then homophobically abused them and moved away from them on the ferry. After getting off at St Mawes Tiller ran up behind the males and punched one of them. He then followed both of them to their hotel and further abused them. He was identified on CCTV and by eye witnesses."
"Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov said he had banned the march because he believed homosexuality was not natural and because the event would cause outrage in society - a position supported by many Christian and Muslim groups. Demonstrators representing nationalist and Orthodox Christian groups chanted anti-gay slogans and shouted abuse. Orthodox protesters and Nationalist groups opposed the rally. Eyewitnesses said several foreign gay rights activists were beaten by protesters."-
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ybdogsct1 year, 1 month ago
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DANEL:
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"you are getting soooooo good at cut and paste."
Actually, supporting assertions with evidence is critical to developing a coherent argument. That's a skill I first learned not in medical school, nor in graduate school, nor as an undergrad, nor in high school, but rather in primary school.
Apparently, you never got that far.
LOL.
Still waiting for your "evidence." Don't worry, though. Judging from your posting history, I've learned not to hold my breath.
Pathetic.
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hamy1 year, 1 month ago
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That crowd was there for a national protest march. She was the only one who decided to thumb her nose at a group of angry people. She worked to deny us rights and then has the audacity to show up at a peaceful demonstration and parade herself in front of an angry mob. She is pathetic and your attemtps to martyr her are pathetic.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 1 month ago
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I agree it was wrong of him to do that, there are idiots in every walk of life, and he doesn't represent all the gay community. Again not saying it was right, but she had to have known something like that would happen. Not like anyone beat her up.
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Tangent0011 year, 1 month ago
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"I especially liked the fight between the elderly woman and the homosexual man on the news. "
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Has the man even been identified specifically as being gay? He was protesting Prop. 8, yes. I know LOTS of straight people who would have been out there protesting as well.
This guy is not the poster child for the whole of the community.
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