Texas jury indicts Cheney, Gonzalez in prison abuse case »
Posted By STONERS 11 months, 3 weeks ago in Political News
A Texas grand jury has issued indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former attorney general Alberto Gonzalez over abuse at privately run prisons, court documents showed.
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Think about the fact that his money is in a blind trust.
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That trust owns some mutual stock.
Some of the stock in the mutual fund is the prison for profit stock.
Do you own some of that mutual fund or another one that has that same stock?
If you do then they can come after all of you who do under this kind of idiocy.
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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BBcamaro11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Goppy,
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Talking about morals, since Obama is pretty much taking us back in time to the Clinton era with his selections for his cabinet (Why don't I see any change coming out of this). I hope he at least keeps the cigars out of the Oval Office.
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Charlson11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The smart thing to do would be to indict Cheney and Bush in Indian Country. Seeing as how they're considered soverign nations they would have no problem issuing warrants. Then Cheney and Bush would forever have to avoid traveling through any reservations. Granted those reservations represent less than 4% of what the Indians used to be caretakers over, but that's still part of the country where those criminals could be arrested.
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not so sure. Cheney and Gonzalez thus far have only been indicted, not convicted. Pardoning them at this point would mean they were guilty, since the President must specify to which offenses the pardon applies.
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Also, holding on to an indictment until after Obama takes office would not only be dirty pool, I believe it would constitute an ethical violation.
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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Ah, but didn't Cheney claim in 2007 to be part of the Legislative branch, not the Executive? Wait, that was modified to mean since the VP office has duties in BOTH branches, it was not subject to the rules governing EITHER branch. Later, his Chief of Staff claimed the VP office belonged to NEITHER the Executive nor the Legislative branch. But back in 2002, Cheney claimed executive privilege regarding not disclosing the content of his meeting with Enron.
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Boy! I wish I could pick and choose which rules apply and when they apply. -
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NoWayMan11 months, 3 weeks ago
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innocent peole can't be pardoned, and these two are innocent until proven guilty. which means Bush can't pardon them unless they are found guilty before he leaves office. which won't happen.
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after jan 20, these two clowns can't be pardoned and can't use the ridiculous, wholly unAmerican, I'm-above-the-law excuse of executive privilige.-
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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"innocent people can't be pardoned, and these two are innocent until proven guilty. which means Bush can't pardon them unless they are found guilty before he leaves office."
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Truly innocent people cannot be pardoned, yes, but (here's where it gets semantically sticky) 'not-yet-found-guilty' people CAN be pardoned. In 1866 the Supreme Court "...held that the scope of the pardon power "is unlimited, with the exception stated [ impeachment]. It extends to every offence [sic] known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.""
http://www.answers.com/topic/pardon
Technically, I could shoot a guy and the President could issue a pardon even before the cops showed up.
Ford pardoned Nixon, even though he had not been convicted of anything. Someone who is indicted can apply for and be granted Presidential pardon. It is basically an admission of guilt., but the guilt is expunged from public record as if it had never happened.
Fortunately, the Presidential Pardon applies to specified offenses, not anything ever committed by a particular person (I don't think even God could restore Cheney's criminal 'virginity'). Also, the president cannot pardon himself.
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epiphannyy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I believe it will take the World Court to ever hold anyone from the Bush administration accountable for the crimes committed over the past 8yrs. Since Bush can and will pardon every "buddy" currently under indictment, as well as those who were already convicted of certain crimes (like those involved in the Valerie Plame outting), there is little that our courts can or will do. What is the point when the pardon pen is so prolific?
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Its nice to see someone finally trying to do something, but I fear it will be made moot the day Bush leaves office.-
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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There was an interesting book out recently regarding prosecuting Bush for murder. He makes a case for placing jurisdiction for bringing charges into the hands of State Attorney's General, bypassing Congressional hearings altogether.
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antibrainwasher11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Welcome to the wild west. In 50 years, they'll make movies about the shoot 'em up early days of the 21st.
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How is it that Cheney has any ownership of freaking prisons in Texas????????? Is that possible?
Wait, what am I saying, we are talking about perhaps the most vicious freak ever to hold public office, who thinks nothing of commiting the worst war crime ever in the history of the country.-
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antibrainwasher11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually, theyshould make movies about just how stupid you have to be, blinded by hate and religious zealtry, to vote for this regime not once but twice.
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How long will it take to recover from the damage these ideologues did to the country? It might not be possible, now that China is investing over 3 times what we do in science and research and technology.
Repeat, China is investing over 3 times what we do in science and technological research, and their top research universities are approaching Cal Tec and MIT quickly, as is the universities in India. For many Asians, harvard is the third choice.
And 47% of americans think creationist Sara Palin is the future. Welcome to america the soon to be third world, full of religious morons. -
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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antibrainwasher you are pathetic in your hatred of them. Obviously you did not read the story but just ranted. Cheney in a blind trust owned shares in a mutual fund that held shares in the prison. The prosecutor lost the election and is going out with a bang indicting lots of public people and his successor will then have to deal with the mess he leaves behind.
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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This will go nowhere. The president and vice president both always put their holdings in a blind trust. They do not know what they hold from one day to the next. The money that is directly invested is in a mutual fund.
How many of you own that same mutual fund. If you do then you all should be indicted as well. Shame on you horrendous people investing in a mutual fund that invests in this kind of thing. You should know better. LOL
That prosecutor knows better. It is a political stunt. This proves the contention that a good prosecutor can get an indictment against a ham sandwich.-
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The president and vice president both always put their holdings in a blind trust. They do not know what they hold from one day to the next. The money that is directly invested is in a mutual fund."
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Not true:
http://www.kiplinger.com/columns/value/archive/200... -
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Tcaros11 months, 3 weeks ago
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We need to restore an old American value. That value is making "crime not pay." That is not allowing criminals to be executors of our laws.
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Gonzalez routinely short-circuited due process by failing to prosecute. He loosely interpreted the Constitution to ignore individual rights guaranteed therein.
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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We have not heard it all yet, before this is over we well see more people in Washigtion that has committed crimes and we are going to see alot go to jail for the crimes they have done.if it we"er you or I we would be takeing in and have the book throwed at us, and we would do the time. Just because they are members of our govrmet staff makes them no differnt then one of us. If we pay for our crimes then they to should pay for their crimes,makes no differnt who that person is. they already put the shaft to us. Why shouldnt they have to pay?
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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ALL LIBS ON THIS STORY ARE PATHETIC.
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Read the following from the story and then go fly a kite.
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Several other related indictments were brought against a host of public officials in what one lawyer called a circus act by a local prosecutor seeking revenge in his final weeks in office.
"We look forward to having the opportunity to have an independent, competent prosecutor review the facts, and are confident that once that happens these baseless charges will be dismissed," said Michael Cowen, who represents Texas state senator Eddie Lucio. -
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william-sire11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I can't believe there are any comments on this story at all. However I have to give this comment the award for being most pertinent and worthy of the article:
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"BREAKING NEWS New York Jury indictes Ham Sandwich, the indictment came after two weeks of delibaration following allegations of a conspiracy to use mayo instead of mustard....BREAKING NEWS."
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