Is Barack Obama a Hawk in Sheep's Clothing? »
Posted By pc25 11 months, 3 weeks ago in News
During the primaries, Barack Obama derived energy from the anti-war Left of MoveOn and Code Pink, criticizing the Iraq War and defending his inexperience as secondary to the poor judgment shown by those who voted to authorize it. The issue dropped off the radar screen in the general election due to the financial crisis and the success of the surge in Iraq. Now, however, the same hard-Left supporters who boosted Obama over early favorite Hillary Clinton for the nomination wonder whether Obama may be a hawk in sheep’s clothing:
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pc2511 months, 3 weeks ago
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from the LA TIMES quoted in this article
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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-foreign...
Reporting from Washington -- Antiwar groups and other liberal activists are increasingly concerned at signs that Barack Obama's national security team will be dominated by appointees who favored the Iraq invasion and hold hawkish views on other important foreign policy issues.
The activists are uneasy not only about signs that both Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates could be in the Obama Cabinet, but at reports suggesting that several other short-list candidates for top security posts backed the decision to go to war.-
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think this is just as funny as can be.
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For 3 solid months, you extremists have been claiming he's everything from a commie to the anti-Christ.
Now, you are considering he's a hawk.
And look who you are quoting in the article - liberal activists and anti-war groups.
It's like you 10 percenters of the right --- (you ditto-head Rush fans who continue to believe Bush is not extreme enough) --- can only address the 10 percenters on the left (who believe everyone should be singing kumbayah.
Meanwhile, the rest of the nation ... the rational 80 percenters ... already know that Barack Obama is a mainstream Democrat ... somewhat to the right of Hillary on some matters (like Health Care) and somewhat to the left on others (like War). That's why he was elected.
If you had taken the time to listen to Obama's campaign - you would know that he was likely to INCREASE our presence in Afghanistan --- even as he dislodged our nation from the quagmire that is Iraq.
Personally, what I'm most looking forward to from the Barack Obama administration is a return to Values, a respect for Social Justice, Honesty, Rational Respect for Science, and an end to perverse grand experiment with Ideologically Driven Governance.
Plus, it will be nice to be rid of the Moral Vacancy that the fake Christian brought to our government.
Look, Barack Obama is as mainstream a president as you will likely find. And when you right wing extremists try to portray him as everything from a commie to the anti-Christ ... it only makes y'all look really, really goofy.
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jsgreen11 months, 3 weeks ago
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This country have got a long ways to go but I believe President elect Barack Obama is really determine to put the best interest for this country. Many of you that re voted for President George w Bush the second time have let him got this country to where it is today. Now we all are hurting and do you think he or the Vise President care, no! But a grate majority still think on the racial line. I look at what J E Hoover did to the blacks when he was president and later became FBI director. He used his position to promoted a lot of racial hated in his position and underlined supported the KKK. He was so hard press against the late Martin Luther King and use the law position to his advantage. He really was a racial criminal but never was punish for his crime. Now we got a government build name in his honor J. E. Hoover FBI office. We all paid taxes and some of that money went toward that center. A lot of our taxes dollars have been spend in honor of people that were cruel. And the government really owe a lot of money taken and used from Blacks. Their is so much HATE in this country and other foreign countries know and will be watching. We are found on IN GOD WE TRUST and justice for all.
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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To understand this, you have to know that the Clinton administration was run by the zionist "Democratic Leadership Council" who controlled our foreign policy, especially in the mideast. There are as many "israel-firsters" in the democratic party as in the GOP and they are trying hard to ensure a takeover of the foreign policy Obama administration. If you oppose military imperialism, especially fighting wars for israel in the mideast, then you need to start protesting loudly to Obama.
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20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama's White House
U.S. policy is not about one individual, and no matter how much faith people place in President-elect Barack Obama, the policies he enacts will be fruit of a tree with many roots. Among them: his personal politics and views, the disastrous realities his administration will inherit, and, of course, unpredictable future crises. But the best immediate indicator of what an Obama administration might look like can be found in the people he surrounds himself with and who he appoints to his Cabinet. And, frankly, when it comes to foreign policy, it is not looking good.
....Even more disturbing, several of the individuals at the center of Obama's transition and emerging foreign policy teams were top players in creating and implementing foreign policies that would pave the way for projects eventually carried out under the Bush/Cheney administration. With their assistance, Obama has already charted out several hawkish stances. Among them:
-- His plan to escalate the war in Afghanistan;
-- An Iraq plan that could turn into a downsized and rebranded occupation that keeps U.S. forces in Iraq for the foreseeable future;
-- His labeling of Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a "terrorist organization;"
-- His pledge to use unilateral force inside of Pakistan to defend U.S. interests;
-- His position, presented before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), that Jerusalem "must remain undivided" -- a remark that infuriated Palestinian officials and which he later attempted to reframe;
-- His plan to continue the War on Drugs, a backdoor U.S. counterinsurgency campaign in Central and Latin America;
-- His refusal to "rule out" using Blackwater and other armed private forces in U.S. war zones, despite previously introducing legislation to regulate these companies and bring them under U.S. law. -
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Beware The Obama Hype: What "Change" In America Really Means
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Returning to Texas, I am struck again by those so unlike the redneck stereotype, in spite of the burden of a form of brainwashing placed on most Americans from a tender age: that theirs is the most superior society in the history of the world, and all means are justified, including the spilling of copious blood, in maintaining that superiority.
That is the subtext of Barack Obama's "oratory". He says he wants to build up US military power; and he threatens to ignite a new war in Pakistan, killing yet more brown-skinned people. That will bring tears, too. Unlike those on election night, these other tears will be unseen in Chicago and London. This is not to doubt the sincerity of much of the response to Obama's election, which happened not because of the unction that has passed for news reporting from America since 4 November (e.g. "liberal Americans smiled and the world smiled with them") but for the same reasons that millions of angry emails were sent to the White House and Congress when the "bailout" of Wall Street was revealed, and because most Americans are fed up with war.
... Yes, Obama's election is historic, a symbol of great change to many. But it is equally true that the American elite has grown adept at using the black middle and management class. The courageous Martin Luther King recognised this when he linked the human rights of black Americans with the human rights of the Vietnamese, then being slaughtered by a liberal Democratic administration. And he was shot. In striking contrast, a young black major serving in Vietnam, Colin Powell, was used to "investigate" and whitewash the infamous My Lai massacre. As Bush's secretary of state, Powell was often described as a "liberal" and was considered ideal to lie to the United Nations about Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Condaleezza Rice, lauded as a successful black woman, has worked assiduously to deny the Palestinians justice.
...Obama's first two crucial appointments represent a denial of the wishes of his supporters on the principal issues on which they voted. The vice-president-elect, Joe Biden, is a proud warmaker and Zionist. Rahm Emanuel, who is to be the all-important White House chief of staff, is a fervent "neoliberal" devoted to the doctrine that led to the present economic collapse and impoverishment of millions. He is also an "Israel-first" Zionist who served in the Israeli army and opposes meaningful justice for the Palestinians – an injustice that is at the root of Muslim people's loathing of the United States and the spawning of jihadism.
These "ideals", which Obama will swear to uphold, have overseen, since 1945, the destruction of 50 governments, including democracies, and 30 popular liberation movements, causing the deaths of countless men, women and children....
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Barack Obama will be the catalyst for a new movement
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Barack Obama will be the catalyst for a new movement, away from false hope and false promises, not because he will deliver to the people of this country anything worthwhile, but because he won’t. This will be the final nail in the coffin of our corporatist society.
...There are so many so-called “progressives” that have believed that it was the Bush Republican neo-cons that have gotten us where we are. This is wishful thinking. The Democratic 110th Congress did nothing but rubber-stamp every bill that was put before it. Democrats have blindly caved in to fear of being called “anti-patriotic” if they voted against the meaningless war in Iraq. They put their political fortunes ahead of their conscience at every opportunity, from Pelosi taking impeachment “off the table” to voting for the new FISA bill that granted telecoms immunity from illegally working with the executive branch to illegally eavesdrop on US citizens. They passed every military budget and went along with almost every Bush attack on our civil liberties. How one could possibly imagine that Barack Obama or any other Democrat could undo the damage they helped to create is just wishful thinking.
The time for real change is now. I must tell you that the change we seek will not come from the President-Elect, but from the disgust and anger we will all feel when corporate interests and the Military Industrial Complex (corporate welfare) dominate the Democrats agenda. War will not end; it will be moved to different theaters.
Now the time has come to actually put up or shut up. Mr. Obama has already chosen a Democratic interventionist in Joe Biden, a man who never saw a war he didn’t like. The self-proclaimed Zionist that has stood with AIPAC since its inception, a man that ranks right up there with Bush when it comes to Iran and Palestine. Obama has also kowtowed to the Israeli’s, and there doesn’t seem to be any hope for those that want America to look at both sides of the tensions in the Middle East. We will blindly follow the Israelis as far as they wish to take us, for their own self-interests. -
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tschrnywolf11 months, 3 weeks ago
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REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE NY TIMES SAYS, PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA SAID FRANKLY THAT HE WANTED TO RESHIFT OUR TROOPS TO AFGHANIST AND CONCENTRATE OUR FORCES WHERE THEY WERE NEEDED MOST AND USE THEM EFFECTIVELY :l) TO END THE WAR. TODAY ALSO THE US REACHED A W/DRAWAL OR TIMETABLE TO WITHDRAW FROM IRAQ :)
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HE WAS SO STEREOTYPED BY HIS COMPETITORS THAT THEY ENDED UP BELIEVING THEIR OWN LIES. THE NY TIMES ENDORSED HILLARY. SO IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT MAGAZINE IS STILL SLINGING MUD AGAINST HIM. :( NEWSWEEK IS A MUCH BETTER PUBLICATION.
AS FOR PEACEKNIKS, THEY MUST HAVE PATIENCE, COMPLEX FOREIGN WARS CANNOT BE STOPPED IN A WEEK. PRESIDENT ELECT HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN YET!A PREMATURE PEACE IS LIKELY TO COLLAPSE AND OUR ARMY WOULD NEED TO RETURN AGAIN TO A PANDEMONIUM.
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GehlLady11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Can this really be a surprise to these people? Were they not listening? I heard him. He has not changed his message since he defeated Hillary. That's when the 'peace' talk stopped. They can blame no one but themselves for not listening. Are these same people going to scream when they and their children are pressed into mandatory service? Military or otherwise? Why would the question of women being required to register and be drafted being floated unless it's coming? BTW, mostly the answer was yes. I'll start looking for the links now........right now I can't remember.
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Don't get too upset.
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This is simply an encapsulation of extremists on the right, looking at extremists on the left, and feeling a non-specific glee that their ideological antipode is crestfallen.
This is hardly a breakout story. It's more along the lines of the Mary Kate Olsen feud with Spencer Pratt.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20209506,0...
BTW, I don't read people. I just knew about dippy Pratt from occasionally watching 'The Soup'.
I think a bigger question is ... what are y'all going to do when it turns out Obama ISN'T the anti-Christ?
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As always, thanks for inviting me to your story, pc25.
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GehlLady11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here's one link........
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/11/20/candidat...
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tchef11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Personally as an Obama supporter, I had hoped that when he was confronted with the intel that he would make the right decisions. It's easy to stand up and say what ever during a campaign, it's what you do when you are elected that counts. I have all the confidence in the world that Obama will do the right thing. He is a very smart man.
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RedstateLib11 months, 3 weeks ago
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As a Hillary supporter I am going to enjoy watching many Obama supporters who attacked her at every turn, defend him with every ounce of energy they have each time he adopts the more centurist policies she campaigned on that they dispised just a few short months ago. Hey I would rather have Obama than McCain but I am going to enjoy the teeth knashing and self flagellation that is starting to surface from the Hillary haters on the left. Guess what you got a Hillary in a black mans clothing and all you had to do was throw women and gays under the bus. Hooray! What a bright new world we live in.
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pc2511 months, 3 weeks ago
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nostalgia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'd be willing to bet that many of left wingers who villified Hillary will be spinning and twisting how wonderful it is if she becomes Sec of State
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To do otherwise would be an admission that they were wrong about the Messiah in Chief & his judgement - that would be intolerable for them -
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RedstateLib11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I know people are talking about the end of the GOP. Bear in mind LGBT and women's groups after this election have started questioning what the Democratic party has done for them. Walk softly if a percentage of those groups find the party does not really represent them the party is dead. For instance the attacks on Senator Clinton from the left since she has been suggested as SOS. During the Primaries the gang hated her, when she was campaigning for Obama she was the best ever and now that she is up for SoS she is once again evil. Guess that "WOMAN JUST WON'T LEARN HER PLACE".
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I liked Hillary. I really did.
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But I just couldn't bear to re-run the Demonization that the Partisan Right would have engaged in. It was Right Wing Extremists, Rush Limbaugh-wanna-bes, and Mainstream Media that spent 8 years elevating scandal after scandal for the sole purpose of disrupting the effectiveness of the Clinton agenda.
Truth be told, George W. Bush and his administration has engaged in a series of far more scandalous behavior than anything Clinton did.
I would say that outing an undercover CIA agent is far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's attacks on the Constitution are far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's litmus test for Supreme Court Justices ... that they be ORIGININALISTS is a complete disaster.
I would say that GW's lying to promote going to war with Iraq was far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's politicizing of the nation's Judicial System is fundamentally anti-American.
If you've ever read some of David Addington's Signing Statements for GW ... you would be appalled at how contrary to our legal system and accountability these are - and how shameless for a president to even conceive of such behavior.
<b>But Mainstream Media has ignored all these scandals ... <i>and more. </b></i>
Republican Partisanship made the Clinton's Toxic.
So really, they have no reason to complain about Obama. Right Wing Extremist Republicans practically FORCED Obama into the White House.
If Rabid Republicans had not fallen all over themselves to destroy the Clintons, Hillary would have gotten the nomination. And of course, she also would have defeated McCain.
And some say, Hillary is more Conservative than Obama.
I've said it before, and I'm sure I will say it again ... many ... many ... times. Extremism has many unforeseen, unintended consequences.
pc25, RedRiverJ, Klarissa, KarlyC, luvmyprez/AlphaGnosis/redtomato, Rush Limbaugh ... <b>YOU</b? are who paved the way for Obama in the White House.
Extremism will <b>ALWAYS</b> produce Unforeseen ... Unintended Consequences.
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davchff11 months, 3 weeks ago
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The only thing that will make them mad is if O doesn't soak the rich and give them a tax break. Other than that, how can they turn on the One that was built up to bring Hope and Change.
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It looks like the hope for change is becoming the SOP of the beltway.
We now have to hope that we haven been fooled once again. I'm leaning towards thinking that we have as I see these names tossed about.
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uncleflippy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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man goppy they got you good huh? How anyone could vote for a liberal left wing socialist public plan for everything wanna be american, i'll never know. I guess you're one of the red looking for handouts. enjoy socialism being shoved down your throat, slowly buy surely.
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh boy ... yet another America Hater. You people disgust me the way you spit on our democracy, spit on our flag, spit on truth, spit on decency.
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Your embrace of everything that is un-American is so pathetic ... so slimy.
Your cowardly use of labels that you don't even understand the meaning of does not hide your true moral depravity and disdain for American Values.
Lazy, shifless, whiner ... that's what you are. Listen buster, I realize you LOVE the whole "Welfare for the Wealthy" thing the Modern Republicans have going on ... but believe me ... you are too ignorant to ever qualify for the Republican Welfare.
Of course, since 70% of all millionaires are millionaires due to inheritance ... maybe that's why you talk the way you do.
Cowardly, Ignorant, Lazy, Welfare Recipient. I think that sums you up quite succintly, uncleflippy.
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Natureboy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Like so many other reactionary right-wingers on this thread, you miss the point of the article entirely.
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Obama is not a socialist - what's disturbing is how close he is to the status quo. Bet on four more years of the PATRIOT Act and the war in the Middle East.
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lalalee11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I love it when supporters of the war say the surge worked. Why not say why it worked? It worked because the insurgents were paid off. The mighty dollar speaks louder than any surge could have. So instead of proclaiming the good of the Iraq war and the removal of the "Evil" Saddam. Why not fight for the basic liberty of being able to walk through the airport check point without removing your shoes or bringing a bottle of water to drink.
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I gladly walk through the airport check point,it's all done for the safty of you, me and all americans, if they did not do this, then we would most likely to have had more plans hijacked,but because of that chek point we would not be safe without it I'll take my shoes off, gjve them my bottle of water, scan me and do what ever at least I know that I'll be haveing a safe fly.
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The only thing I can say is, we well all find out when he takes over. but right now we dont no untill he shows us himself, after he is in office. Myself I think he well do a good job, but I dont even know yet, I just have to wait and see what our new president is going to be like, he may be as yous say and he may surprise us all, we well just have to wait to find out.
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NoWayMan11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Obama never had sheep's clothing.
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He said Iraq was a horrible move and a waste of money. and he's right.
but he never said he was against all war. he said he was against dumb wars. and iraq qualifies as dumb, big time.
he has talked nothing but tough when it comes to afghanistan, pakistan and protecting Israel.
so, the idea that Obama has ever posed as some kind of sheep is just plain stupid.
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Natureboy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You are right on that. Mostly. He posed as a sheep to some degree when addressing the lefties, but anybody who followed his voting patterns in the Senate knew otherwise.
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He did promise to withdraw from Iraq, and said in an aside that there would be a residual force. He would not say it, but his aides leaked the fact that this could be a residual force of 50,000 troops. So not much of a withdrawal, after all. More like a continued occupation of Iraq, combined with an escalation of fighting in Afghanistan, and from there, it is likely to be either Pakistan or Iran.
Make no mistake about it, Obama plans to keep on with the agenda of military invasion and subjugation of the Middle East in the name of Exxon and Walmart.
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orndorffter11 months, 3 weeks ago
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NoWayMan I agree with you, and Obama well get the ones responsible for 9/11. but I beleive in the check points at the airports, dont you? if it wasnt for those check points we very well could have already hijacked. Its for all of our safty, I just wish everyone else would realize this. Are you with me on this one?
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indnwarriorwmn11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You all got what you wanted and now, I will sit back and watch it implode. And NO I did not vote for the black man, and neither did I vote for the white man. NO ONE deserved my vote. A "hawk in sheeps clothing"? More like a wolf in sheep clothing! I will not be voting for someone just because he is black, especially this black man. So now, I wait and watch for the next four years and see him fail. Way to go you morons. Our Nation is in TROUBLE, does anyone care?
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Goppy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You don't deserve to call yourself an American.
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You say you are going to sit back and watch it implode?
You probably HOPE it implodes ... just so you can gleefully say ... "See, I told y'all a black man can't be president."
Your type of thinking is so pathetically disgusting ... so anti-American ... but of course, that describes most of you extremist 10 percenters.
Why don't you go spread your hate somewhere else?
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ETproductions11 months, 3 weeks ago
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There is a shred of truth in this blog's assertion that the far left is nervous about Obama. Personally, I take that as a sign he's probably going to make a good President. I'm worried whenever the far left or far right likes someone too much.
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Beyond that kernel of truth, this article is just an exposé of the rantings of the 24% who still "think" Bush has done a great job.-
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epiphannyy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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ETproductions.......WELL SAID! I couldn't agree more!
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The extremists (whether far right or far left) are the ones to be afraid of. The fact that he is not pandering to the extremist left is reassuring that he'll govern well. No leader will ever govern exactly like I would like, but I have faith that he'll be one of the closest to that ideal for me. He's appearing to be planting himself near center, albeit left side of center, just as our greatest Presidents throughout history have. I like that he's studying up on FDR, but that his ideal role model is Lincoln because Lincoln was the most inclusive of all Executives we've seen elected. Once the campaign ends, it shouldn't be about red or blue any longer.....it should be about the WHOLE flag - the red, white, AND blue. It should be about the whole country - right, left, and center as well as rich, poor, and middle-class. For the first time though in a very long time, I feel like the guy in charge actually understands that concept.
Our country has received some life support through Obama's election. The fact that nearly everyone has at least something to complain about regarding him, while at the same time the vast majority seem mostly pleased with him is a very, VERY good sign.
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powvegeta11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yay! I think Barack (Stupid way to spell his first name) Hussein (Interesting that we cannot put 2 and 2 together on this name) Obama (Awesome, voting Osama's underling in office..how smart are we!?) is a great president! "Now, children, let's remember something in class today, ok my precious hunnies? From today's class, let's learn to never build another tall skyscraper like the WTC, because with a man represented by all the names of evil terrorists, it will most likely be knocked down again!"
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powvegeta11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yay! Our president Barack (Such a stupid way to spell his first name) Hussein (Uncanny representation of an evil terrorist that killed lots of innocents) Obama (Oh! Osama has another underling? Looks like his plan to fool America worked!) is going to be great! "Now, class, let's remember one thing today! We must promise not to tell 'Mr. President' to build any more skyscrapers like the WTC, because they will most likely be knocked down by him and his cronies, ok?"
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You respond, "Yes, Mrs. Truthgiver, we have learned something in class today. We promise not to give the terrorist president that wears a turban on his head the opportunity to blow up more skyscrapers with his cronies!" -
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