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Posted By pc25 1 year ago in NewsDuring the primaries, Barack Obama derived energy from the anti-war Left of MoveOn and Code Pink, criticizing the Iraq War and defending his inexperience as secondary to the poor judgment shown by those who voted to authorize it. The issue dropped off the radar screen in the general election due to the financial crisis and the success of the surge in Iraq. Now, however, the same hard-Left supporters who boosted Obama over early favorite Hillary Clinton for the nomination wonder whether Obama may be a hawk in sheep’s clothing:
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pc251 year ago
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from the LA TIMES quoted in this article
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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-foreign...
Reporting from Washington -- Antiwar groups and other liberal activists are increasingly concerned at signs that Barack Obama's national security team will be dominated by appointees who favored the Iraq invasion and hold hawkish views on other important foreign policy issues.
The activists are uneasy not only about signs that both Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates could be in the Obama Cabinet, but at reports suggesting that several other short-list candidates for top security posts backed the decision to go to war.-
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Goppy1 year ago
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I think this is just as funny as can be.
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For 3 solid months, you extremists have been claiming he's everything from a commie to the anti-Christ.
Now, you are considering he's a hawk.
And look who you are quoting in the article - liberal activists and anti-war groups.
It's like you 10 percenters of the right --- (you ditto-head Rush fans who continue to believe Bush is not extreme enough) --- can only address the 10 percenters on the left (who believe everyone should be singing kumbayah.
Meanwhile, the rest of the nation ... the rational 80 percenters ... already know that Barack Obama is a mainstream Democrat ... somewhat to the right of Hillary on some matters (like Health Care) and somewhat to the left on others (like War). That's why he was elected.
If you had taken the time to listen to Obama's campaign - you would know that he was likely to INCREASE our presence in Afghanistan --- even as he dislodged our nation from the quagmire that is Iraq.
Personally, what I'm most looking forward to from the Barack Obama administration is a return to Values, a respect for Social Justice, Honesty, Rational Respect for Science, and an end to perverse grand experiment with Ideologically Driven Governance.
Plus, it will be nice to be rid of the Moral Vacancy that the fake Christian brought to our government.
Look, Barack Obama is as mainstream a president as you will likely find. And when you right wing extremists try to portray him as everything from a commie to the anti-Christ ... it only makes y'all look really, really goofy.
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pc251 year ago
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the rational 80 percenters? Goppy please stop the spin the guy won 53% of the vote and when you factor out the estimated 2% voter fraud for Obama he won 51% of the popular vote...his actions and his policies are starting to prove what we said all along about this guy.....he promised everything to everyone and all the lemmings bought it.
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"Personally, what I'm most looking forward to from the Barack Obama administration is a return to Values, a respect for Social Justice, Honesty, Rational Respect for Science, and an end to perverse grand experiment with Ideologically Driven Governance."
get out your telescope Galileo because you are going to be searching for a long time.........-
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Goppy1 year ago
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You are one loony fellow.
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Here's some questions for you RedRiver. Have you ever been to a library? Have you ever pondered a question with equal measure of open mindedness and rational objectivity?
Have you ever formulated a thought that wasn't outlined for you by Rush Limbaugh?
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Goppy
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What you super libs do not understand that the people who listen to Rush and any other talk show host listen to them because they already agree with what they say not the other way around. I listened to Jerry Springer for a while but I could not take him for very long. The far left philosophy just grates especially since he does what a lot of posters on this site do. Belittles anybody who disagrees with their philosophy.
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dunkirk1 year ago
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ROFLMAO, yet when Bush barely got 51% that was a mandate. Obama wins with 7 million more votes and he squeeks by? ROFLMAO, Its always intersting listening to the right when they get their asses handed to them on silver platters for pushing a failed agenda with the excuses.
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wtagg1 year ago
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"get out your telescope Galileo because you are going to be searching for a long time........."
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Ironically, you would have needed the same telescope or possibly the Hubble, had McCain won.
I'm not sure factoring in alleged fraud is a particularly strong argument foundation, considering the elections of 2000 and 2004. Even by your own statement, Obama would not have lost. Can the same be said for the winner in 2000 and 2004? -
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Goppy1 year ago
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See, pc, your partisanship is so severe, you assume others are as partisan as you are.
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When I say the rational 80 percenters ... I didn't lay claim that that figure was dedicated to supporters of Barack Obama. But as usual, my Right Wing Propellerites choose to argue with what I DON'T say. (Y'all do this so consistently, I've often wondered if y'all aren't carrying on some simultaneous conversation in a different dimension.)
Look, pc - in my mind, I was loosely breaking it down this way:
10 percenters Right, ... Rush Limbaugh ditto heads, GW lovers.
10 percenters Left, ... the Kumbayahers, Truthers.
40 percent mainstream Right.
40 percent mainstream Left.
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I consider myself 40 percent mainstream left. That's because of my history of voting Republican. In fact, as I've often mentioned, I was hoping that John McCain was nominated in 2000. I would happily have voted for him then. I saw him as being someone who could save the Republican Party from self destruction.
It is true that, since Newt Gingrich redefined the Modern Republican party, I've found very little reason to vote Republican. But I would LIKE to. I try to vote for the person, not the party. But look, many Modern Republicans actually FLAUNT their Moral Vacancy with their persistent support for defrocked economic theories such as Trickle Down economics.
What you call lemmings are the Rational 80 percent ... the centrist left, who weighed Obama and supported him ... and the centrist right, who recognized that the extreme lazzaie faire of the Modern Republican simply cannot be reconciled with a global marketplace. -
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Goppy1 year ago
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Again ... I've not said that those who voted for McCain are NOT rational.
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YOU are infering that.
I'm claiming that there is in this country 10 percent nutty right ... and 10 percent nutty left.
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Will13131 year ago
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365 - 173 electoral votes is not 10 points.. the GOP as McCain said on Leno was taken to the woodshed.....
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yet an interesting fact.. even in states that elected dem senators that had GOP governors up for re-election.. not one GOP governor was ousted.. why....
because they tend to be fiscally conservative and save money.. but centurist on the social issues...
that won't fly with the national party until they realize they don't need or WANT the flat earthers... the fringe right who want to return to the 18th century..-
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Will13131 year ago
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obviously neither can you.. because the President of the United States is elected by ELECTORAL VOTE...
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again you show just how ignorant you are...
read the Constitution and get back to me on that..
by your standard Gore should have been President.. tell me idiot when did he serve..
MORON..
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toph19731 year ago
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Hmmm, Sort of like ignoring the facts about Bush? Lest us not forget whgo it was that voted a traitor into office twice. Now that's a huge fact to ignore.
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No one wants facts. If they did then Ron Paul would be our president elect. But it would seem as if the populace is not ready for Change. And because of it our country is worse off, -
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Wolfie whines: "Nobody wanted any facts regarding Obama ".
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At the height of the election, Mr. Wolf had 3 large storage units filled with his book 'Fun facts about Obama' co-authored with Pc25.
You could learn about Michelle's crazy spitting rants, or how Obama's books were too-well written to have been written by Obama,
- and then there were over 200 pages of Obama pictures showing him without a flag-pin.
Chapters 5,6,7 and 8 were dedicated to forensic doubts about his birth certificate.
It should have been a great holiday item but rather too heavy for a stocking stuffer, and it smelled bad no matter how thickly it was wrapped.
I hear Pc25 and Wolf are now suing each other; but that is a rumour. You can't trust rumours unless you can trust the person who passs them on; - and trustworthy people don't pass on rumours .
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jsgreen1 year ago
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This country have got a long ways to go but I believe President elect Barack Obama is really determine to put the best interest for this country. Many of you that re voted for President George w Bush the second time have let him got this country to where it is today. Now we all are hurting and do you think he or the Vise President care, no! But a grate majority still think on the racial line. I look at what J E Hoover did to the blacks when he was president and later became FBI director. He used his position to promoted a lot of racial hated in his position and underlined supported the KKK. He was so hard press against the late Martin Luther King and use the law position to his advantage. He really was a racial criminal but never was punish for his crime. Now we got a government build name in his honor J. E. Hoover FBI office. We all paid taxes and some of that money went toward that center. A lot of our taxes dollars have been spend in honor of people that were cruel. And the government really owe a lot of money taken and used from Blacks. Their is so much HATE in this country and other foreign countries know and will be watching. We are found on IN GOD WE TRUST and justice for all.
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ibstilyn1 year ago
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I agree with the gist of what you are saying..with some minor corrections. HERBERT Hoover was the president--J. Edgar Hoover is NO RELATION to him. Herbert Hoover (August 10, 1874 – October 20, 1964) J Edgar Hoover (January 1, 1895 – May 2, 1972).
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And neither one invented the vacuum cleaner , although both did suck for various reasons-
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slate1 year ago
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This country have got a long ways to go but I believe President elect Barack Obama is really determine to put the best interest for this country
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I thinnk you are right about that. Although I think rvery president starts with those sorts of good intentions when they are elected. All we can do now is support him and see what happens, then as now question what his actual action over promises made to get the job.-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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What I see that happens is kind of like what Paulsen said about the bailout,,,facts change as time goes on so will a situation.
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Obama and McC made statements on what they would do if elected; but those points are subject to what this present admin has in the works which they know nothing about at the time.
Now Obama is being let in on secret dealings that are in the works, which may very well change what he has proposed and we will never know will we.
In a year from now, we will see what Obama is all about as he will have to carry on some of this admins proposals, try and get out of some or just axe them, then get on with his plan.
Kind of like JFK getting elected only to find that the Bay of Pigs policy was past the planning stage and into preparation, all from a previous admin, he inherited it and it was not to his liking, but at the same time he couldn't just axe it,,,,,what he did was a half hearted attempt that ended in a fiasco.
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slate1 year ago
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As opposed to your 100% on the side far left views I suppose? That's the problem with the far left and far right they think only thier view is correct and anything else is hate.
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I've seen some fairly hateful and frankly childish things said by you in this very thread. Go look at what you posted above where I posted "Hateful Vitriol?" under it You are not only anti freedom of expression you are hypocritical as well as bad at math considering you can't figure out that I don't take the radical conservative side 99% of the time. In fact I'm conservative but far from being radical. You're just upset because I don't agree with your view. -
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slate1 year ago
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If you are looking for a buddy that agrees with you on every topic, I suggest you look for those that agree with you all the time. There are plenty of people of that ilk here. Once you decide to not be hateful and vitriolic in your posts (as you are many times), then maybe you can ask the same of others.
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hyperbola1 year ago
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To understand this, you have to know that the Clinton administration was run by the zionist "Democratic Leadership Council" who controlled our foreign policy, especially in the mideast. There are as many "israel-firsters" in the democratic party as in the GOP and they are trying hard to ensure a takeover of the foreign policy Obama administration. If you oppose military imperialism, especially fighting wars for israel in the mideast, then you need to start protesting loudly to Obama.
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20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama's White House
U.S. policy is not about one individual, and no matter how much faith people place in President-elect Barack Obama, the policies he enacts will be fruit of a tree with many roots. Among them: his personal politics and views, the disastrous realities his administration will inherit, and, of course, unpredictable future crises. But the best immediate indicator of what an Obama administration might look like can be found in the people he surrounds himself with and who he appoints to his Cabinet. And, frankly, when it comes to foreign policy, it is not looking good.
....Even more disturbing, several of the individuals at the center of Obama's transition and emerging foreign policy teams were top players in creating and implementing foreign policies that would pave the way for projects eventually carried out under the Bush/Cheney administration. With their assistance, Obama has already charted out several hawkish stances. Among them:
-- His plan to escalate the war in Afghanistan;
-- An Iraq plan that could turn into a downsized and rebranded occupation that keeps U.S. forces in Iraq for the foreseeable future;
-- His labeling of Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a "terrorist organization;"
-- His pledge to use unilateral force inside of Pakistan to defend U.S. interests;
-- His position, presented before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), that Jerusalem "must remain undivided" -- a remark that infuriated Palestinian officials and which he later attempted to reframe;
-- His plan to continue the War on Drugs, a backdoor U.S. counterinsurgency campaign in Central and Latin America;
-- His refusal to "rule out" using Blackwater and other armed private forces in U.S. war zones, despite previously introducing legislation to regulate these companies and bring them under U.S. law.-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Obama did not arrive at these positions in a vacuum. They were carefully crafted in consultation with his foreign policy team. While the verdict is still out on a few people, many members of his inner foreign policy circle -- including some who have received or are bound to receive Cabinet posts -- supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Some promoted the myth that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. A few have worked with the neoconservative Project for the New American Century, whose radical agenda was adopted by the Bush/Cheney administration. And most have proven track records of supporting or implementing militaristic, offensive U.S. foreign policy. "After a masterful campaign, Barack Obama seems headed toward some fateful mistakes as he assembles his administration by heeding the advice of Washington's Democratic insider community, a collective group that represents little 'change you can believe in,'" notes veteran journalist Robert Parry, the former Associated Press and Newsweek reporter who broke many of the stories in the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s....
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.... As news breaks and speculation abounds about cabinet appointments, here are 20 people to watch as Obama builds the team who will shape U.S. foreign policy for at least four years:
Joe Biden - .... his role in the invasion and occupation of Iraq stands out. Biden is not just one more Democratic lawmaker who now calls his vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq "mistaken;" Biden was actually an important facilitator of the war.....
Rahm Emanuel - .... Emanuel is a hard-line supporter of Israel's "targeted assassination" policy and actually volunteered to work with the Israeli Army during the 1991 Gulf War. He is close to the right-wing Democratic Leadership Council and was the only member of the Illinois Democratic delegation in the Congress to vote for the invasion of Iraq. Unlike many of his colleagues, Emanuel still defends his vote. As chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 2006, Emanuel promoted the campaigns of 22 candidates, only one of who supported a swift withdrawal from Iraq, and denied crucial Party funding to anti-war candidates.....-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Richard Holbrooke - .... Among the many violent policies he helped implement and enforce was the U.S.-backed Indonesian genocide in East Timor. Holbrooke was an Assistant Secretary of State in the late 1970s at the height of the slaughter and was the point man on East Timor ... Like many in Obama's foreign policy circle, Holbrooke also supported the Iraq war...
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Dennis Ross - Ross has been a staunch supporter of Israel and has fanned the flames for a more hostile stance toward Iran. As the lead U.S. negotiator between Israel and numerous Arab nations under Clinton, Ross' team acted, in the words of one U.S. official who worked under him, as "Israel's lawyer.".... After the Clinton White House, Ross worked for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a hawkish pro-Israel think tank, and for FOX News, where he repeatedly pressed for war against Iraq....
Martin Indyk - Indyk spent years working for AIPAC and served as Clinton's ambassador to Israel and Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs, while also playing a major role in developing U.S. policy toward Iraq and Iran. In addition to his work for the U.S. government, he has worked for the Israeli government and with PNAC.
"Barack Obama has painted himself into a corner by appealing to the most hard-line, pro-Israel elements in this country," Ali Abunimah, founder of ElectronicInifada.net, recently told Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, describing Indyk and Dennis Ross as "two of the most pro-Israel officials from the Clinton era, who are totally distrusted by Palestinians and others across the Middle East, because they're seen as lifelong advocates for Israeli positions."...
Ivo H. Daalder - ..... Like other Obama advisors, he has worked with the Project for the New American Century and signed a 2005 letter from PNAC to Congressional leaders, calling for an increase in U.S. ground troops in Iraq and beyond....
Michele Flournoy - .... She currently runs the Center for a New American Security, a center-right think-tank.... Flournoy has also worked with the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.
.... Obama does have a chance to change the mindset that got us into war. More significantly, he has a popular mandate to forcefully challenge the militaristic, hawkish tradition of modern U.S. foreign policy. But that work would begin by bringing on board people who would challenge this tradition, not those who have been complicit in creating it and are bound to continue advancing it....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/11/21/20-hawks...
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Beware The Obama Hype: What "Change" In America Really Means
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Returning to Texas, I am struck again by those so unlike the redneck stereotype, in spite of the burden of a form of brainwashing placed on most Americans from a tender age: that theirs is the most superior society in the history of the world, and all means are justified, including the spilling of copious blood, in maintaining that superiority.
That is the subtext of Barack Obama's "oratory". He says he wants to build up US military power; and he threatens to ignite a new war in Pakistan, killing yet more brown-skinned people. That will bring tears, too. Unlike those on election night, these other tears will be unseen in Chicago and London. This is not to doubt the sincerity of much of the response to Obama's election, which happened not because of the unction that has passed for news reporting from America since 4 November (e.g. "liberal Americans smiled and the world smiled with them") but for the same reasons that millions of angry emails were sent to the White House and Congress when the "bailout" of Wall Street was revealed, and because most Americans are fed up with war.
... Yes, Obama's election is historic, a symbol of great change to many. But it is equally true that the American elite has grown adept at using the black middle and management class. The courageous Martin Luther King recognised this when he linked the human rights of black Americans with the human rights of the Vietnamese, then being slaughtered by a liberal Democratic administration. And he was shot. In striking contrast, a young black major serving in Vietnam, Colin Powell, was used to "investigate" and whitewash the infamous My Lai massacre. As Bush's secretary of state, Powell was often described as a "liberal" and was considered ideal to lie to the United Nations about Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Condaleezza Rice, lauded as a successful black woman, has worked assiduously to deny the Palestinians justice.
...Obama's first two crucial appointments represent a denial of the wishes of his supporters on the principal issues on which they voted. The vice-president-elect, Joe Biden, is a proud warmaker and Zionist. Rahm Emanuel, who is to be the all-important White House chief of staff, is a fervent "neoliberal" devoted to the doctrine that led to the present economic collapse and impoverishment of millions. He is also an "Israel-first" Zionist who served in the Israeli army and opposes meaningful justice for the Palestinians – an injustice that is at the root of Muslim people's loathing of the United States and the spawning of jihadism.
These "ideals", which Obama will swear to uphold, have overseen, since 1945, the destruction of 50 governments, including democracies, and 30 popular liberation movements, causing the deaths of countless men, women and children....
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hyperbola1 year ago
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Barack Obama will be the catalyst for a new movement
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Barack Obama will be the catalyst for a new movement, away from false hope and false promises, not because he will deliver to the people of this country anything worthwhile, but because he won’t. This will be the final nail in the coffin of our corporatist society.
...There are so many so-called “progressives” that have believed that it was the Bush Republican neo-cons that have gotten us where we are. This is wishful thinking. The Democratic 110th Congress did nothing but rubber-stamp every bill that was put before it. Democrats have blindly caved in to fear of being called “anti-patriotic” if they voted against the meaningless war in Iraq. They put their political fortunes ahead of their conscience at every opportunity, from Pelosi taking impeachment “off the table” to voting for the new FISA bill that granted telecoms immunity from illegally working with the executive branch to illegally eavesdrop on US citizens. They passed every military budget and went along with almost every Bush attack on our civil liberties. How one could possibly imagine that Barack Obama or any other Democrat could undo the damage they helped to create is just wishful thinking.
The time for real change is now. I must tell you that the change we seek will not come from the President-Elect, but from the disgust and anger we will all feel when corporate interests and the Military Industrial Complex (corporate welfare) dominate the Democrats agenda. War will not end; it will be moved to different theaters.
Now the time has come to actually put up or shut up. Mr. Obama has already chosen a Democratic interventionist in Joe Biden, a man who never saw a war he didn’t like. The self-proclaimed Zionist that has stood with AIPAC since its inception, a man that ranks right up there with Bush when it comes to Iran and Palestine. Obama has also kowtowed to the Israeli’s, and there doesn’t seem to be any hope for those that want America to look at both sides of the tensions in the Middle East. We will blindly follow the Israelis as far as they wish to take us, for their own self-interests. -
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tschrnywolf1 year ago
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REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE NY TIMES SAYS, PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA SAID FRANKLY THAT HE WANTED TO RESHIFT OUR TROOPS TO AFGHANIST AND CONCENTRATE OUR FORCES WHERE THEY WERE NEEDED MOST AND USE THEM EFFECTIVELY :l) TO END THE WAR. TODAY ALSO THE US REACHED A W/DRAWAL OR TIMETABLE TO WITHDRAW FROM IRAQ :)
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HE WAS SO STEREOTYPED BY HIS COMPETITORS THAT THEY ENDED UP BELIEVING THEIR OWN LIES. THE NY TIMES ENDORSED HILLARY. SO IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT MAGAZINE IS STILL SLINGING MUD AGAINST HIM. :( NEWSWEEK IS A MUCH BETTER PUBLICATION.
AS FOR PEACEKNIKS, THEY MUST HAVE PATIENCE, COMPLEX FOREIGN WARS CANNOT BE STOPPED IN A WEEK. PRESIDENT ELECT HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN YET!A PREMATURE PEACE IS LIKELY TO COLLAPSE AND OUR ARMY WOULD NEED TO RETURN AGAIN TO A PANDEMONIUM.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Can this really be a surprise to these people? Were they not listening? I heard him. He has not changed his message since he defeated Hillary. That's when the 'peace' talk stopped. They can blame no one but themselves for not listening. Are these same people going to scream when they and their children are pressed into mandatory service? Military or otherwise? Why would the question of women being required to register and be drafted being floated unless it's coming? BTW, mostly the answer was yes. I'll start looking for the links now........right now I can't remember.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Don't get too upset.
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This is simply an encapsulation of extremists on the right, looking at extremists on the left, and feeling a non-specific glee that their ideological antipode is crestfallen.
This is hardly a breakout story. It's more along the lines of the Mary Kate Olsen feud with Spencer Pratt.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20209506,0...
BTW, I don't read people. I just knew about dippy Pratt from occasionally watching 'The Soup'.
I think a bigger question is ... what are y'all going to do when it turns out Obama ISN'T the anti-Christ?
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As always, thanks for inviting me to your story, pc25.
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pc251 year ago
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the bigger question Goppy is what are you people going to do when Obama does an about face on everything he has promised
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as soon as he won the nomination Obama tacked towards the right and has been on that course ever since........-
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Goppy1 year ago
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You shouldn't let it bother you. I get negged all the time.
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I've participated on threads where everyone got 100%'s ... but I got negs.
It simply doesn't bother me.
I get called names all the time.
Lovemylibs recently called me a pimp. And you could just see the way he phrased his commentary that he was really filled with rage.
A member named icono always calls me Commrade. The implication being that I'm a Communist.
That's just how some people relate. You can't take it personally.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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If inferring rage makes you feel better, then infer away. And pimp, by the way, was a term of endearment, lover.
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Thanks for the all of the negs from you Goppy. I realize it is your only defense in the audacity filled reason that I provide some of your stylistically silly commentary. You really do need to exercise your funny bone a little more. It is starting to atrophy.
Speaking of negs and names, the funniest part of your new Goppy persona, is that the old Goppy persona was the QUEEN of negs and names. The new Goppy calls less names but still uses the neg, sometimes with multiple avatar contributions, and now you are reflecting others similar behavior back at them. At least your hypocrisy hasn't waned.
Sometimes I miss the old days on Propeller.
How's Kowabunga these days?-
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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I am bold enough to say that my diagnostic abilities would make yours seem juvenile in comparison.
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Off the top of my haid, here's some that I have often been reminded of when reading your tripe:
- Repetition Compulsion
- Multiple Personalities (SHOOT - that should be at the TOP of the list)
- Impulse Control Disorder
- Self-Aggrandizement
- Generalized Anxiety Disorder
- Psychological Projection (DARN - this should be SECOND on the list)
- Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Those are the ones that came to me just off the top of my haid. With a little consulting with my colleagues, I'm sure a much more extensive list could be submitted for your benefit. If you are interested, the help would be free.
I would recommend starting with some aroma therapy and then finding some soothing music to say a calming chant to, such as "Kumbaya".-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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Well if Goppy is Irish then all your PHD book learning is for naught, as one of Freud's students did say, "with the Irish you can not apply psychoanalytical thinking as they heal themselves" (paraphrased)
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And with your great knowledge of music, couldn't you pick something better?
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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You're right. I should have picked this song:
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And I had not considered the Irish connection...New light has been shed.
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StevieGee1 year ago
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PC, if he does an about face on everything, we'll vote him out in 4 years. What are you gonna do when he keeps his promises and becomes a great President? I'll bet you keep slinging mud and crap like you're doing now because Rush says to.
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nostalgia1 year ago
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All you have to do is read the headlines to see what is happening
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Obama Transition Said to Consider a ‘Prepack’ Auto Bankruptcy
Is that going to make the UAW happy??? How about Reid and Pelosi??
Obama to delay repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'
What do you think the gay and lesbian groups will say about this?
Obama plans to nominate Clinton for top diplomat
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StevieGee1 year ago
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OK, first, the auto bankruptcy, This is a bad situation. Obama didn't cause it. The UAW isn't happy, I'm not happy, you're not happy unless you take a perverse pleasure out of it. It was caused by lack of oversight in the financial industry. Bushes fault.
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Second, don't ask don't tell. Too many more important things on his plate right now.
Third, I'm on the left and I think Clinton could make a great SOS. She already knows a lot of foreign leaders and has respect in the world community.
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nostalgia1 year ago
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"It was caused by lack of oversight in the financial industry."
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It was caused by incompetence on the part of auto executives
Wouldn't matter if there was a financial crisis or not
GM loeses money on every car they sell.
Did you listen to the hearings in Congress?? The UAW president said - no concessions from labor
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Tangent0011 year ago
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A delay is not a reversal, nor is considering options.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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Obama on delaying the repeal of don't ask, don't tell:
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"The reason," Obama said, "is because I want to make sure that when we revert 'don't ask, don't tell,' it's gone through a process and we've built a consensus or at least a clarity of that, of what my expectations are, so that it works."
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Here's one link........
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Rangel tried to revive the draft in 2007, it's been floated more often lately. With our troops dealing with 'stop-loss', and Obamas committment to service, I believe it COULD, not will, be a reality. I have mixed feelings about 18 year old girls being drafted. I don't want 18 year old boys drafted either, please don't misunderstand........but.......I know I can't be politically correct and say no, you can't take our girls, I'll just have to be honest and be wrong.
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tchef1 year ago
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Personally as an Obama supporter, I had hoped that when he was confronted with the intel that he would make the right decisions. It's easy to stand up and say what ever during a campaign, it's what you do when you are elected that counts. I have all the confidence in the world that Obama will do the right thing. He is a very smart man.
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Codi69341 year ago
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We will have to wait and see what happens. I am willing to give him a chance but I will admit the cards are stacked aginst him already. I too, hope he does the right thing for the nation's security and not for political convenience. He is a smart man, I know that but your confidence is way stronger then mine. I hope I am wrong.
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DITTO, TCHEF. HE IS HANDLING A VERY DELICATE TRANSITION WELL, DOING WHAT HE CAN, WITHOUT MAKING WAVES IN THE WATER.
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OUR SYSTEM IS STULTIFIED AND REACTIVE, TO CHANGE IT WITHOUT THE PARANOID CHARGE OF SOCIALISM, HE HAS TO SEEM LIKE GOING ALONG.
HE IS MODERATE, BUT OUR PRESS IS SENSATIONALIST, SO HE IS TREADING ON FIRE COALS.
I THINK HE IS DOING A GOOD AND GRACEFUL JOB. HE IS CHANGING THE FORMER "NEVER GET NEAR THE ENEMY, EXCEPT IN BATTLE" LOOSER PATTERN. INSTEAD, HE SHOWS US "THE SO CALLED ENEMY IS HUMAN, JUST LIKE US, IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMPROMISE INSTEAD OF KILLING EACH OTHER."
THAT IS A VERY POSITIVE NEW ATTITUDE. WE WILL SEE A DROP IN CRIME :)
RATHER HIS PROVING HE IS A MODERATE CENTRIST IS PROBABLY UPSETTING THOSE WHO CHANTED HE WAS A RADICAL. NOW THEY SEE HOW WRONG THEY WERE :))))))))))))) SO THEY ARE, I THINK, UPSET THEY WERE SO WRONG. WELL, THE REALITY IS WHAT COUNTS :)
YOUNG VOTERS LIKED HIM. GOOD OMEN. INNOCENCE DETECTS SINCERITY BETTER THAN AGE. :)))))))))))))))
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RedstateLib1 year ago
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As a Hillary supporter I am going to enjoy watching many Obama supporters who attacked her at every turn, defend him with every ounce of energy they have each time he adopts the more centurist policies she campaigned on that they dispised just a few short months ago. Hey I would rather have Obama than McCain but I am going to enjoy the teeth knashing and self flagellation that is starting to surface from the Hillary haters on the left. Guess what you got a Hillary in a black mans clothing and all you had to do was throw women and gays under the bus. Hooray! What a bright new world we live in.
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
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RedstateLib-can accept that. After all he "would do anything to get elected". Why not "Ruthlessness" is a required character trait on this level of politics!'
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Sadly I think that's true of all of them, even with the ones who sincerely have good intentions in the very beginning.-
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
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There may be some who have blind trust in Obama, as there are with Bush and still even after his disaster of an administration, some remain. But I think there are a lot more people who will be watching, even those who voted for him, to make sure he does his job, and it wasn't blind trust that made people vote for him, far from it. IMO only morons have blind trust, especially in politicians and I'd hardly call the majority of voters morons.
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Will13131 year ago
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wasn't that what you wanted... you kept crying that he'd appease terrorists.. now it looks like he wants to kick ass and take names.. and you're still not satisfied..
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he appears to be heading in the direction you wanted in the first place..
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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Are you saying that the 5 million who are now unemployed are lazy.
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pc251 year ago
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will as usual you miss the point of the article........he pandered to every special interest group promised everything to everyone and NOW HIS ACTIONS ARE STARTING TO CAUSE CONCERN amongst his most ardent supporters......they elected BARACK OBAMA REFORMER and are getting BARACK OBAMA LIGHT POLITICS AS USUAL.......
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his message of hope and change was just what it is a fairy tale fed to the naive and gullible left.
the point is he told you what you wanted to hear in order to get elected.....
personally I applaud his decision to adopt a hard line strategy on security.....
interesting that the article quoted in the Hot Air article was written by the LA TIMES one of his most vocal and ardent supporters......
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nostalgia1 year ago
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I'd be willing to bet that many of left wingers who villified Hillary will be spinning and twisting how wonderful it is if she becomes Sec of State
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RedstateLib1 year ago
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I know people are talking about the end of the GOP. Bear in mind LGBT and women's groups after this election have started questioning what the Democratic party has done for them. Walk softly if a percentage of those groups find the party does not really represent them the party is dead. For instance the attacks on Senator Clinton from the left since she has been suggested as SOS. During the Primaries the gang hated her, when she was campaigning for Obama she was the best ever and now that she is up for SoS she is once again evil. Guess that "WOMAN JUST WON'T LEARN HER PLACE".
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Goppy1 year ago
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I liked Hillary. I really did.
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But I just couldn't bear to re-run the Demonization that the Partisan Right would have engaged in. It was Right Wing Extremists, Rush Limbaugh-wanna-bes, and Mainstream Media that spent 8 years elevating scandal after scandal for the sole purpose of disrupting the effectiveness of the Clinton agenda.
Truth be told, George W. Bush and his administration has engaged in a series of far more scandalous behavior than anything Clinton did.
I would say that outing an undercover CIA agent is far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's attacks on the Constitution are far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's litmus test for Supreme Court Justices ... that they be ORIGININALISTS is a complete disaster.
I would say that GW's lying to promote going to war with Iraq was far worse than anything Clinton did.
I would say that GW's politicizing of the nation's Judicial System is fundamentally anti-American.
If you've ever read some of David Addington's Signing Statements for GW ... you would be appalled at how contrary to our legal system and accountability these are - and how shameless for a president to even conceive of such behavior.
<b>But Mainstream Media has ignored all these scandals ... <i>and more. </b></i>
Republican Partisanship made the Clinton's Toxic.
So really, they have no reason to complain about Obama. Right Wing Extremist Republicans practically FORCED Obama into the White House.
If Rabid Republicans had not fallen all over themselves to destroy the Clintons, Hillary would have gotten the nomination. And of course, she also would have defeated McCain.
And some say, Hillary is more Conservative than Obama.
I've said it before, and I'm sure I will say it again ... many ... many ... times. Extremism has many unforeseen, unintended consequences.
pc25, RedRiverJ, Klarissa, KarlyC, luvmyprez/AlphaGnosis/redtomato, Rush Limbaugh ... <b>YOU</b? are who paved the way for Obama in the White House.
Extremism will <b>ALWAYS</b> produce Unforeseen ... Unintended Consequences.
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RedstateLib1 year ago
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They too will reap what they sew. What more could any Democrat ask for Obama as CiC and Clinton as SoS. It's enough to make the rabid right beg to be euthanized. The far left should be screaming to make Hillary SoS just for the joy of making Bohner impotent.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Yes ... there are many on the right who hate Kerry.
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Mostly, they hate him for his military service to our nation.
Republicans HATE vets if they become Democrats.
Any Veteran who is a Democrat gets smeared with a zeal that is unprecedented.
Saxby Chambliss beat Max Cleland in Georgia by calling him a coward. Max Cleland was a veteran who lost three limbs in Vietnam.
As far as I know, Saxby Chambliss never served.
Same with John Kerry ... Republicans smeared him big time ... but ignored the fact that George W. Bush was a draft dodger who never even bothered to finish his duty with the National Guard.
Republicans HATE Veterans.
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amazed1 year ago
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oh please, now YOU'RE sounding like the "nutty 10% left" you were talking about earlier.
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Republicans do not hate Kerry because of his military service. What they "hate" is the fact that he turned a tour that was about 1/4 as long as anyone else's into a photo op, 3 purple hearts without a day in the hospital and then came back home to trash his brothers-in - arms -- calling them all war criminals and baby killers on tv in front of a Congressional hearing.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Sorry, but you are engaging in the practice of rationalization.
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If you respect veterans - you respect them when they come home and try to tell us the truth of what is going on.
After all, they put their life on the line.
Are you saying you would have respected Kerry more if he was a liar?
In the Ken Burns documentary WAR .. there were more than a few vets who admitted to seeing and some to doing criminal acts - such as shooting prisoners.
Kerry did the same thing ... only in front of a Senate committee.
As far as GWB ... I don' t believe I've ever said ... I don't believe that ANYONE has said he didn't 'show up'. The issue is that he blew off his final requirements and was given a pass.
You know, I took flying lessons ... my first time up, the instructor let me take over the flight.
I'm not saying GWB never took lessons. But if you think he landed that F-18 on the carrier, you are being naive.
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pc251 year ago
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thank you for posting todays' talking points from the DAILY KOS
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and now Comrades
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JEB62zgAks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq8aJ-tEYUA&eur...-
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Goppy1 year ago
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Oh pc25, you are such an unapologetic Fascist.
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It's a good thing for our country that our citizens have wised up to realize that the Modern Republican Party has moved so tragically towards the Fascism you hold so dear.
Obama is our nation's firewall against Fascism.
I, for one, salute him for that.
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slate1 year ago
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The only thing that will make them mad is if O doesn't soak the rich and give them a tax break. Other than that, how can they turn on the One that was built up to bring Hope and Change.
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It looks like the hope for change is becoming the SOP of the beltway.
We now have to hope that we haven been fooled once again. I'm leaning towards thinking that we have as I see these names tossed about.
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uncleflippy1 year ago
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man goppy they got you good huh? How anyone could vote for a liberal left wing socialist public plan for everything wanna be american, i'll never know. I guess you're one of the red looking for handouts. enjoy socialism being shoved down your throat, slowly buy surely.
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Goppy1 year ago
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Oh boy ... yet another America Hater. You people disgust me the way you spit on our democracy, spit on our flag, spit on truth, spit on decency.
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Your embrace of everything that is un-American is so pathetic ... so slimy.
Your cowardly use of labels that you don't even understand the meaning of does not hide your true moral depravity and disdain for American Values.
Lazy, shifless, whiner ... that's what you are. Listen buster, I realize you LOVE the whole "Welfare for the Wealthy" thing the Modern Republicans have going on ... but believe me ... you are too ignorant to ever qualify for the Republican Welfare.
Of course, since 70% of all millionaires are millionaires due to inheritance ... maybe that's why you talk the way you do.
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Natureboy1 year ago
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Like so many other reactionary right-wingers on this thread, you miss the point of the article entirely.
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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USA will always be in the ME until she can wean herself off of oil.
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Drill all you want at home, there is not enough to satisfy your consumption, so you have to protect your supply.
Sending $700 bill a year to other countries while at the same time letting those that profit from it set up shop in other countries is not good business for USA; mind you Exxon and hallibortion are laughing their way to the bank; but not American banks
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lalalee1 year ago
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I love it when supporters of the war say the surge worked. Why not say why it worked? It worked because the insurgents were paid off. The mighty dollar speaks louder than any surge could have. So instead of proclaiming the good of the Iraq war and the removal of the "Evil" Saddam. Why not fight for the basic liberty of being able to walk through the airport check point without removing your shoes or bringing a bottle of water to drink.
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dissent1 year ago
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lalalee's comment doesn't read like an apology to me. yours though has the hollow shrillness of denial.
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nb. lalalee's point: surge = inSURGEnts paid off.
From The Sunday Times
September 9, 2007
US BRIBE INSURGENTS TO FIGHT AL-QAEDA
"AMERICAN forces are paying Sunni insurgents hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash to switch sides and help them to defeat Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
The tactic has boosted the efforts of American forces to restore some order to war-torn provinces around Baghdad in the run-up to a report by General David Petraeus, the US commander, to Congress tomorrow.
Petraeus will tell Congress that there has been great progress at a local level in Iraq following a surge in the number of troops this year, but little sign of political reconciliation. ....
The Sunday Times has witnessed at first hand the enormous sums of cash changing hands. One sheikh in a town south of Baghdad was given $38,000 (£19,000) and promised a further $189,000 over three months to drive Al-Qaeda fighters from a nearby camp."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and...
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orndorffter1 year ago
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I gladly walk through the airport check point,it's all done for the safty of you, me and all americans, if they did not do this, then we would most likely to have had more plans hijacked,but because of that chek point we would not be safe without it I'll take my shoes off, gjve them my bottle of water, scan me and do what ever at least I know that I'll be haveing a safe fly.
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amazed1 year ago
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do you REALLY think that taking off your shoes keeps the plane from being blown up?
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Be serious.
If a reasonably savvy 'bad guy' wanted to get nuclear weapon on a plane, he could do it.
These check points are just sops to the gullible public -- feel good measures that really do nothing. When they're strip searching and feeling up 86 year old ladies with artificial joints while really truly thug-like looking people of all races cruise right on the plane, you know the whole security thing is a joke.
And the fact that those thug-like looking people haven't blown the plane out of the sky, reinforces how big a joke the security procedures are.
They are intrusive and annoying and set up to cause the maximum inconvenience for the maximum number of people.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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orndorffter
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BS. We are no safer now, anywhere, than we were before 9/11/01. There are more holes in security at airports than you realize, for one. For 2, a plane can be taken down from the ground. If a VIP is on the same flight as you are, that could be a problem.
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orndorffter1 year ago
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The only thing I can say is, we well all find out when he takes over. but right now we dont no untill he shows us himself, after he is in office. Myself I think he well do a good job, but I dont even know yet, I just have to wait and see what our new president is going to be like, he may be as yous say and he may surprise us all, we well just have to wait to find out.
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NoWayMan1 year ago
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Obama never had sheep's clothing.
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He said Iraq was a horrible move and a waste of money. and he's right.
but he never said he was against all war. he said he was against dumb wars. and iraq qualifies as dumb, big time.
he has talked nothing but tough when it comes to afghanistan, pakistan and protecting Israel.
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Natureboy1 year ago
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You are right on that. Mostly. He posed as a sheep to some degree when addressing the lefties, but anybody who followed his voting patterns in the Senate knew otherwise.
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He did promise to withdraw from Iraq, and said in an aside that there would be a residual force. He would not say it, but his aides leaked the fact that this could be a residual force of 50,000 troops. So not much of a withdrawal, after all. More like a continued occupation of Iraq, combined with an escalation of fighting in Afghanistan, and from there, it is likely to be either Pakistan or Iran.
Make no mistake about it, Obama plans to keep on with the agenda of military invasion and subjugation of the Middle East in the name of Exxon and Walmart.
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orndorffter1 year ago
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NoWayMan I agree with you, and Obama well get the ones responsible for 9/11. but I beleive in the check points at the airports, dont you? if it wasnt for those check points we very well could have already hijacked. Its for all of our safty, I just wish everyone else would realize this. Are you with me on this one?
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indnwarriorwmn1 year ago
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You all got what you wanted and now, I will sit back and watch it implode. And NO I did not vote for the black man, and neither did I vote for the white man. NO ONE deserved my vote. A "hawk in sheeps clothing"? More like a wolf in sheep clothing! I will not be voting for someone just because he is black, especially this black man. So now, I wait and watch for the next four years and see him fail. Way to go you morons. Our Nation is in TROUBLE, does anyone care?
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Goppy1 year ago
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You don't deserve to call yourself an American.
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You say you are going to sit back and watch it implode?
You probably HOPE it implodes ... just so you can gleefully say ... "See, I told y'all a black man can't be president."
Your type of thinking is so pathetically disgusting ... so anti-American ... but of course, that describes most of you extremist 10 percenters.
Why don't you go spread your hate somewhere else?
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ETproductions1 year ago
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There is a shred of truth in this blog's assertion that the far left is nervous about Obama. Personally, I take that as a sign he's probably going to make a good President. I'm worried whenever the far left or far right likes someone too much.
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Beyond that kernel of truth, this article is just an exposé of the rantings of the 24% who still "think" Bush has done a great job.-
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epiphannyy1 year ago
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ETproductions.......WELL SAID! I couldn't agree more!
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The extremists (whether far right or far left) are the ones to be afraid of. The fact that he is not pandering to the extremist left is reassuring that he'll govern well. No leader will ever govern exactly like I would like, but I have faith that he'll be one of the closest to that ideal for me. He's appearing to be planting himself near center, albeit left side of center, just as our greatest Presidents throughout history have. I like that he's studying up on FDR, but that his ideal role model is Lincoln because Lincoln was the most inclusive of all Executives we've seen elected. Once the campaign ends, it shouldn't be about red or blue any longer.....it should be about the WHOLE flag - the red, white, AND blue. It should be about the whole country - right, left, and center as well as rich, poor, and middle-class. For the first time though in a very long time, I feel like the guy in charge actually understands that concept.
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powvegeta1 year ago
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Yay! I think Barack (Stupid way to spell his first name) Hussein (Interesting that we cannot put 2 and 2 together on this name) Obama (Awesome, voting Osama's underling in office..how smart are we!?) is a great president! "Now, children, let's remember something in class today, ok my precious hunnies? From today's class, let's learn to never build another tall skyscraper like the WTC, because with a man represented by all the names of evil terrorists, it will most likely be knocked down again!"
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powvegeta1 year ago
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Yay! Our president Barack (Such a stupid way to spell his first name) Hussein (Uncanny representation of an evil terrorist that killed lots of innocents) Obama (Oh! Osama has another underling? Looks like his plan to fool America worked!) is going to be great! "Now, class, let's remember one thing today! We must promise not to tell 'Mr. President' to build any more skyscrapers like the WTC, because they will most likely be knocked down by him and his cronies, ok?"
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Hhussk1 year ago
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It would be extremely helpful if President-elect Obama started engaging the country in press conferences/press releases. This market crisis is highly psychological. The country would calm down if they knew what he intended to do.
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tchef1 year ago
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I figured from the start that Obama would tend to govern from the center. That is where we need to be anyway. One must look at everything from both sides. Both sides have valid points. I'm tired of our government that has only seen things from one side.
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frctm51 year ago
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Hawks shoot from the hip and start unnecessary wars. Moderates govern from reason and understand that even if going to war in Iraq was a bad idea, the deed has been done and we have to disengage carefully. Centrist and hawk are not synonyms in any dictionary. The rabid right is so full of bile and hyperbole that the center became radical, socialist, and defeatist. There is no measure of reason left within their ranks and once this departs, sanity is soon to follow.
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StevieGee1 year ago
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Bush invaded Iraq at the soonest possible opportunity. It took him some time to accumulate some false intelligence to justify it. It was his plan all along. It started with Cheney's energy meeting and was part of their secret energy plan. 11 years? Try 2.
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Hhussk1 year ago
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"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."-- Madeline Albright, 1998
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"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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In 1992 a draft policy statement called "Defense Planning Guidance" was prepared for the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Paul Wolfowitz. The draft outlined several scenarios in which U.S. interests could be threatened by regional conflict: "access to vital raw materials, primarily Persian Gulf oil; proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, threats to U.S. citizens from terrorism or regional or local conflict, and threats to U.S. society from narcotics trafficking."
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In 1995 Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation launched the Weekly Standard. Editor William Kristol previously served as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle.
On June 3, 1997, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) issued its founding Statement of Principles, declaring: "We need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles." Signatories include:
* Jeb Bush, governor of Florida, key to handing the presidency to his brother George W. Bush
* Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States, former Secretary of Defense, former Halliburton CEO
* Dan Quayle, former Vice President of the United States
* Donald Rumsfeld, current and past Secretary of Defense
* Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense, former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy
On May 29, 1998, PNAC sent a letter to the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives advocating regime change in Iraq. As a result, Congress, with bipartisan support, passed the Iraq Liberation Act. Section 3 of the Act reads: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime." Signatories of the PNAC letter include Kristol, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz, along with: -
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rimbaud1 year ago
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Obama scared the Right as a left-wing peace-nut... Instead of being happy with his shift towrd the Right, the Obama haters are trying to scare the Left that he is a right-wing Hawk! Usually entertaining, but this thread lacks some punch!
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Hhussk1 year ago
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Obama is not a right-wing Hawk.
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What the story is trying to explain to you is that Obama has learned that our stance in Iraq is the correct one. The underlying premise basically states that Bush was handling Iraq correctly.
So, in response, President Obama will continue President Bush's doctrine in Iraq.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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LOL . Pretty soon you psuedo-conservatives will be blaming President elect Obama for starting a war in a country that didn't attack us in the first place.
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Were you expecting he'd pull a general withdrwal as soon as he won the election?
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nostalgia1 year ago
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"Pretty soon you psuedo-conservatives will be blaming President elect Obama for starting a war in a country that didn't attack us in the first place"
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I thought he already promised exactly that
"August 2, 2007 Washington Post
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists."-
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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He siad IF Osama or Al Quaida were right there in front of US Military on the Pakistan side, and Pakistan were unable or unwilling to get Osama, THEN we would go in. It's not like we're on a full out invasion or stumping for "Regime Change" or a boondoggle type of occupation like we have in Iraq.
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But don't let theswe facts get in the way.....
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3rdForce1 year ago
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Better a "smart" hawk who commits our military forces only to deal with situations in which our national security is really at stake than a "dumb" hawk who wastes our military resources in pointless conflicts for ignorant, misguided or self-serving purposes.
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Poulenc1 year ago
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Fools and knaves (to be polite) will continue to attempt to smear Obama in whatever way possible.
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Obama wants the US out of Iraq as soon as feasible. He voted against the war that brought us there. Anti-bellicosity is in his DNA.
His apointees will not contervene his position. Supporting the war, to the extent they may have, was then.
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vigoddess1 year ago
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It would be tantamount to the greatest deception ever since
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Obama became a candidate for the president ever since he voted
against the Iraq war, but he is also confronting getting things
accomplished for a better government and he does need a group
of the best experienced and knowledgable people around him. The people trust Obama and he knows it. He would never risk that trust for "change" for the masses elected him and he's
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Calypso5611 year ago
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NO !! B.O. is NOT a hawk, he is a snake and a liar. He ran his campaign saying he is a Christian, He lied. HE is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-homosexual, pro BIG government. You cannot support these things and be a TRUE Christian. He is probably an athiest, or more likely a muslim. I will never respect this man, he is as evil as they come, and so is his wife. If it weren't for conservative talk radio/t.v., how would we be able to find the TRUTH? The mainstream media isn't going to tell you the truth. They are the ones that covered up all kinds of things about B.O. so he could be elected. 52%-49% is NOT a landslide election. Only about 4million people got out to vote out of 400,000,000 in the entire country. That's my entire state of Mississippi's population. Repulicans are not the 'money-grubbers' Look how bad the economy has gotten in the past 2 years. That's how long the dems have been in control of the house and senate. Do the math. Chris Dodd committed mortgage fraud,how come he isn't being prosecuted? Because he's a liberal.
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3rdForce1 year ago
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Your man Dubya actually LOST the popular vote in the 2000 election and yet still believed he had an overwhelming popular mandate to do whatever he and his neo-con/fundamentalist handlers wanted him to do. And I bet you were delighted to see him act that way.
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The ultra-thin Democratic majority in Congress the last two years is NOTHING compared to the many years years of Republican rule, whose "VOODOO ECONOMICS" ideology (yes, George H. W. Bush was right to use that term in 1980!) set up the massive implosion from which most Americans now suffer.
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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I checked: It seems a couple of conservative I respect vote positively on your comment.
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I like numbers, and when I see them I can not help but check them out.
US population is more like 301 million folks.
In 2004 there where about 90 million folks ineligible to vote.
About 136 million people voted in the election.
More than 66% of the folks that could vote did.
That is the highest percentage since 1908.
67.8+ million People voted for Obama. (I am pretty sure that is a record)
59+ million people voted for McCain.
8.8+ million More people voted for Obama.
With all due respect to the folks that did not “feel” that Obama was the best choice, the country has spoken.
Had McCain won: I would have been disappointed, but I would have held hope for him and our country. We are up against some serious challenges and there is no time for fiction.
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3rdForce1 year ago
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Better a "smart" hawk who commits our military forces to situations which really affect our national security than a "stupid" hawk who wastes our soldiers' lives on irrelevant conflicts for ignorant, misguided or self-serving purposes.
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3rdForce1 year ago
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Going into Alfghanistan to destroy Al Qaida and its Taliban support base was a proper and necessary response to 9/11 (an effort which Dubya short-circuited by refusing to commit American troops to finish the job at Tora Bora because he and his cronies were already focused on offing Saddam, despite the total lack of Iraqi involvement in 9/11). The Iraqi War was, to put it bluntly, a mistake - a waste of our soldiers' lives.
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That is the basis for Obama's upcoming plan to increase our focus on destroying Al Qaida and to, as rapidly as feasible, draw down our presence in Iraq, a country which has been in an resolvable state of on-and-off civil war ever since the 8th century.
THAT is hardly a continuation of Dubya's stupid, misguided strategy in that part of the world.
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Calypso5611 year ago
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You people are crazy if you think B.O. is going to be good for this country. In two years you won't recognize this country at all. It will be a socialist run country, and we will only be given B.O. rhetoric over the air waves,because he'll have killed conservative radio/tv. IF that happens I will burn my tv. I won't give him even one second of my time to hear ANYTHING he has to say. HE'S A LIAR!!!!!!!!! When will you people learn that? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hhussk1 year ago
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Well, my friends,
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I won't bicker with you over this article. I'm actually quite happy President-elect Obama is bringing some of the same people who were "Hawks" into his cabinet. This tells me that, aside from all the "Bush-hate", he knows the current strategy is working.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Naah, no you don't.
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You see him as an incredibly loved and admired man who has succeeded in every challenge he has so far set himself, - about to be hit with a tsunami of impossible new challenges.
But facing it bravely, a cool attitude in a darn cool new house.
Granted, you don't like what you see;
but the fault isn't in your tv; its in you .
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
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Doesn't surprise me in the least ,that a person like you, would be ROTFLMAO hyena2007
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your guy lost, shouldn't you be hoping for the best instead of laughing your asz off everytime you think something bad is going to happen to the winners? Obama will be EVERYONES president, just as Bush currently is. You are so one sided that you think your dear prez Bush was 100% correct 100% of the time, you don't see the harm this administration has done to America, you can't see that there is some hope now. You are pretty much like a hopeless person, aren't you!?
don't worry tho, after things get cleaned up here, you'll benefit too, tho I'm sure you won't be giving just kudos to Obama, because you only want to play on one side.
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kfolive1 year ago
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You have got to be kidding!! He is not even in office yet! Can you people not see what has been happening the last 8 years???!!! Don't you have anything better to do with your lifes then whine?? Go to the shelter and serve food or volunteer at your kids school. FInd something useful to do and stop trying to spread your negative useless crap.
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BB641 year ago
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So you guys are telling me Barrack lied about pulling the troops out? He's also stated he wanted to form a civilian force equal to the military. Socialist with an armed forces and a private party military wing sounds a whole lot like the USSR or Nazi Germany. If this caught you off guard, what's next. The complete takeover of the media? Gun control? Free speech when it doesn't agree with him? Do you guys actually understand who you voted for?
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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If you google pulling the troops out you will see that there is a 2 day difference between Obama and McC saying the same thing....but of course Obama is wrong as he is a Dem.
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A military force ?like blackwater? Ohh wait they are private, just work for hallibrtion whose ex-CEO just happens to be VP; and if the FBI was powerless to stop the whisking out of the country of OBL's relatives right after 9/11, maybe something is needed, but another Gov. agency is just more dead wood in my opinion, makes for more in fighting.
As for becoming USSR or Nazi Germany, last 8 years has moved USA in that direction.
Media control ? who owns them, right wingers
Gun control ? Yeah USA needs too know that one of the reasons that the 1791 2nd amendment was introduced, was that England was planning to invade USA; guess what guy, it still isn't going to happen.
Free speech ? Is that like your Free Market economy ?
Maybe you need to look at some of what is happening around you; none of the current crisis is due to the Dems getting into the house 2 years ago, or what has happened in the last 8 years, like gangrene this wound has been festering for decades, only now it seems like maybe amputation is the only answer to save the patient.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Speculating as to whether Obama harbours a secret love of war(does W's mission-accomplished flacksuit now go to Obama?) - is less interesting than guessing the reason this dubious article was posted.
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From a neo-con point of view, calling someone a secret hawk is kind of a compliment. So why do it?
My theory: pc25 and co. see a potential fault-line between Obama supporters who want to return to the real war against terror after the little Iraq detour, - and those who just want to get the heck out of the Middle East security business.
And the fault-line does exist, as we see from the posts.
Obama was clear during the election.
He was not giving up the fight against terrorism; he believed leaving Iraq to the Iraqis was the best way to keep Al-quaeda out of Iraq; he believed that there was unfinished business with Bin Laden and the Taliban.
He hid nothing.
If Obama becomes a 2nd Bush, tangled in foreign wars while neglecting America, - that will surprise most of us.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Crymtyphon,
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I wasn't an Obama supporter, but I'm not a neocon, I'm antiwar. I want them all to come home. I don't want the government to expand, but I don't want our elderly to suffer. I'm against government controlled mandated health care, but I want our children to be fed and see a doctor.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Hmm.
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I would place you, GehlLady , on the mantel above the fireplace,
between the vase of silk flowers the cat keeps trying to chew on, - and the toy dragon in a bell jar.
Silk flowers on the right, - bell jar on the left.
If I have spoken in vague slanders about some amorphous group I call
cons , - forgive me.
If you share conservative opinions, or heck even if you have all of them,
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Anyone can by reading the above posts how dimwitted, emotionally disfunctional, psychologically disturbed and mal-educated the remaining moronic base of the repugnicon party has become, after the brains and money pulled out. A sorry allience of evangelicals, truckers, scab plumbers, maverick militia racists, creationists, endtimers, and morons. Behold the repugnicons.
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FearlessIncome1 year ago
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2 days before the election, I put up a forum just for fun, http://www.BarackObamaForum.proboards.com. I might just leave it up and let anyone have a go at it =)
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Hhussk1 year ago
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Not only am I pretty happy about Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, I'm also pretty excited that he is looking at John McCain as his Secretary of Defense.
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I wasn't too happy about voting for McCain as my President; the one thing I really liked about him was his stance on the war in Iraq. Seems like Obama is more on my page, at least as far as foreign diplomacy is concerned. -
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coolslow1 year ago
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We are finally getting change! All the Clintonites are coming back, and now two of the most self-obssessed, self aggrandizing politicians of all time, Bill and Hill, are poised to be Secretary of State. Do we really need to hear about all their "two for the price of one" ******** again? Probably won't happen though. Hard to imagine Bill coming clean with the finacial sources for the Foundation, Library and speaking engagements. But if he does, do you think there will be a reaction when Bill discloses that the House of Saud has thrown him millions? He might figure he is safe because the media will downplay it and the liberals will say, so what? No conflict there with Bill and Hill over the Middle East, oil, Gulf War, terrorists etc.
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texasbullrider11 year ago
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The most Important Issues we face as Americans is we Need the President Elect to stand up Pull are troops out of Iraq cause look at the news today over there burning the American Flag. Why!!!! Should we try to help people that do not appreiciate our help!!!! I say what ever happens to them let it happen. We should not have one more man or women of our country die in a country that disrepects us by burning our Flag!!!! Personally I will be glad The Oil tycoons will be leaving Washington!!!! Think God Mc Cain did not get elected!!!! We as Americans, Need to show the World whoever leads this Country is a Man Of Freedom and we are the one that carry The Big Stick of Justice for all who seek us out cause We are not going to stand by and let terriosts or anybody else push us around!!!!! Mess with United States and you will Wake up The Sleeping Giant!!!!!!!
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jimdoze1 year ago
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Your a priori assumption is that being in Iraq is a bad thing. I find that to be very "inside the box" and "au courant" kind of thinking.
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Being in Iraq is a good thing, Hannibal. History will prove that. You, the media and a major portion of the population have not asked yourself/themselves the right questions on this subject yet. But, eventually you/they will.-
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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No, Iraq was wrong to start with, and now with todays ruling that all contractors in Iraq will be subject to Iraq civil and military law as of Jan 1, it shows that USA is losing its hold, and may be asked to leave earlier than both McC or Obama want.
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And as for in the box kind of thinking.?
They hate us for our freedom
They will greet us with flowers
Oil will pay for it
surrender monkeys
cut and run
mission accomplished
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jimdoze1 year ago
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Your examples of "in the box kind of thinking" have nothing whatever to do with our strategic reasons for being in Iraq, Hannibal. However, that is how you and so many others seem to understand it. Since there is such little common understanding of the strategic necessity of what we did and are doing in Iraq, I can understand that by default, in the minds of so many, it has become by reductio ad adsurdum a simple case of the George Bush run amok. I am confident that, even you, will someday come to understand it differently.
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HannibalBarca1 year ago
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Justify it in any way you like, but you are selling me a lemon.
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Afgan was justified, but ignored by USA
Iraq was not justified, Iraq was on PNAC's chopping bloc since 92 and guess what; PNAC took over the WH.
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jimdoze1 year ago
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If the origins of our Iraq policy were PNAC, then kudos to PNAC for having the the strategic foresight. Your argument seems to have its orgins in the fashionable distaste for PNAC, not in whether there is strategic merit to what we are doing in Iraq. The best I can surmise, the default intellectual underpinnings to your Iraq position would be Realpolitik. IMO, Saddam was the poster boy for the obsolescence of Realpolitik. Would you have supported the rearming of Iraq, under Saddam or his sons, as a counterbalance to Iran? Furthermore, Saddam was not immortal. Have you actually ever contemplated the possibilities of Iraq imploding and the potential consequences for the Middle East and the world?
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Poulenc1 year ago
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Uh, Obama is the president elect. The gig doesn't start until January. Everything in re his government is just taking shape.
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So, really, there's nothing to b*tch about yet.
Those who are b*tching:
always hated the guy, or the idea of him, and can't let go of their (particularly malodorous) detestation;
those who want him to fail to justify, see directly above;
those who are crazy-reactionary/all-purpose bigots-haters/morons.
But, again, the guy hasn't taken office yet.
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lloydm651 year ago
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I couldn't care less about his stance on the military , or his plan for the economy.I'm just going to hate him.Four,eight years,and maybe longer .Then I'm going to hate his successor,and his successor's choice for vice president.By the time his term is up,I hope to be as successful as the vast majority of the democrats.I have only one in my entire family,and she knows whats ahead However she believes he will be able to run these fifty seven states.
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orndorffter1 year ago
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PsyychoHosebeast, I can see why you what you did about my writing, I see it myself,There are reasons why. I should not have to explain myself but I well so you well know the reason sometimes my writing looks the way it does. I have somethhing called Rheumatism Arthritis,which is very painful, withe pain pills it helps alot. but Iam unable to take Humra drip, because of my heart. and soon I well end up in a wheel chair, there is nothing they can gave me because my heart cant take the medication that stops the relife of the pain and stops my hands and most parts of my body from curling up on me. I well take my time and try to write my comments better where you can understand them, My apoligy to all of yous.
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