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Posted By Radiofreeeuropa 11 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsNews story on KTUU channel 2 in Anchorage. Subject: Governor Sarah Palin is interviewed at a turkey farm while turkeys are slaughtered behind her.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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b-happy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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OMG she is at a turkey farm!!!!! I can't believe it. What an evil person she is. Never mind the millions of people who eat Turkey. She is the evil one who likes to kill everything unlike everyone else. I mean they don't kill it, they just eat it. So she is horrible and disgusting but everyone else is ok.
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Get a life people. I would think that you would be over your hate for Sarah Palin but this lady somehow scares you guys into running bogus story's like this.
To show how stupid people are, 80% of the people think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually SNL that made that up. 70% knew that Sarah Palin had a baby but couldn't name the three arms of government. Next time you call her an idiot just look in their mirror.-
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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lovemylibs11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You can see Russia from Alaska, as long as your Berings are Strait.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bering_Strait.j...
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
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PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?
PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.-
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Palin never said it gives her credentials or even hinted that it does."
Is that so? Well, spin this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--
COURIC: Mock?
PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.
COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--
COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state. "
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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That is a lie that is going around. You sick libs just have to tell your lies and repeat them long enough that you actually believe them. Did you even bother to read the post you are responding to????
"To show how stupid people are, 80% of the people think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually SNL that made that up."
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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BHAPPY:
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"To show how stupid people are, 80% of the people think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually SNL that made that up."
ENDOSCOPY:
"ROTFLMAO. That is a lie that is going around. You sick libs just have to tell your lies and repeat them long enough that you actually believe them."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--
COURIC: Mock?
PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.
COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--
COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state. "
CAJUNCHAMP:
"Ignorance is bliss ya know?!"
You don't say...
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever. That's the issue. She never said that to Couric either."
You must be a glutton for punishment. Sarah Palin IN HER OWN WORDS ON VIDEOTAPE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?...Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--"
Each fatuous comment you post simply serves to dig your grave deeper and deeper. Must be that world renown neocon mis-education.
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yes it is quite pathetic that you refuse to understand her answer. Her creds are not based on "seeing Russia from her window" and THAT is the issue. You simply cannot judge the issue based on a Couric interview, you have to look at the entire situation and subsequent interviews to understand. Your failure to do this is what is pathetic. Have you ever taken the time to discover exactly what trade missions Alaska has been involved with regarding Russia? However, as an aside, trading with JUST Russia, IMHO, does not give one 100% credentials but at least it's a start in the right direction.
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Her creds are not based on "seeing Russia from her window" and THAT is the issue."
WRONG.
That is NOT the issue. The issue is whether PROXIMITY TO RUSSIA ALONE qualifies as "foreign policy credentials." Palin bandies about buzzwords like "national security," yet there is absolutely NO RECORD of her using the governor's office to protect our national security from Russia, there is NO RECORD of her issuing an executive order as commander of the Alaskan National Guard to protect our national security, and there is even NO RECORD of Palin owning a passport for foreign travel before this year.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-...
"Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?' CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. 'Just one?'
'But the governor has no command authority overseas -- or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska,' says Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard.
Occasions in which Palin does retain command authority over the 4,200-member Alaska National Guard are whenever the guard responds to in-state natural disasters and civic emergencies. 'For example, out west and northwest we had erosion problems and the National Guard was involved in some of the protection out there. About three days ago, the Army National Guard picked up a lady from Little Diomede ... at the request of state troopers.'
Did Palin directly approve each of those activities?
'No,' Campbell said. The governor has granted him authority to act on his own in most cases, including life-or-death emergencies when a quick response is required, or minor day-to-day operations."
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"Have you ever taken the time to discover exactly what trade missions Alaska has been involved with regarding Russia?"
LOL. Trade missions? You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Spin this.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Did_Palin_lie_about_...
"Did Palin lie about 'trade missions' with Russia?
In a Thursday interview with Katie Couric, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin cited "trade missions" with Russia as her one tangible piece of foreign policy experience.
What trade missions?
Research doesn't show a single Alaska-Russia trade mission since former Democratic governor Tony Knowles visited Siberia in 1997, when Palin was running Wasilla. When the reporter asked gubernatorial spokeswoman Kate Morgan about this issue, she refused to answer."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/26/...
"As you might notice, Palin only cites one discernible foreign interaction under her purview: Trade missions. I spent some time on the Governor's Web site seeking more details about her trade negotiations with Russia. There's a press release about Gov. Palin's meeting with a trade mission from the Yukon, but nothing about Russia anywhere in the archives. Tony Knowles, a Democrat who was governor from 1994-2002, led a trade mission -- back in 1997, while Palin was running Wasilla. That seems to be about it for Russia-Alaska trade missions lately.
When asked for examples of trade missions with Russia that have taken place under Palin's watch, gubernatorial spokeswoman Kate Morgan refused to answer the question."
LOL!
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MotiGui11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Man o man, what a freaking moron you are and dense as a steel marble. I am ashamed to call myself a democrat that voted for Obama in light of your ignorance.
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Palin is commander in chief of the 49th, she doesn't have to give an executive order to assume that role as that is the job of the actual commander himself. It's much the same as the President of the U.S. Do you think he gives executive orders to the military to carry out tactical maneuvers? The title goes with the job.
However, she is briefed from time to time on top secret issues involving the 49th and with that she has a higher security clearance than Obama does up until the time he's sworn in.
Do you have any clue at all what the role of the 49th is? Maybe you'll sleep a little better if you know.
As far as her policy credentials are concerned but after I saw both the Gibson and Couric interviews I thought much the same as everyone else, "what is it with this idiot", until I was curious enough to do some deep investigation. What I found out was quite surprising as to her credentials and then it made some sense in the interviews. Her "words" were not exactly what I would call accurate but nonetheless worthy of investigation. Go searching yourself and take that stupid pyramid off your head for once.
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Palin is commander in chief of the 49th, she doesn't have to give an executive order to assume that role as that is the job of the actual commander himself."
Wow. You are clearly illiterate. Let me explain it again, using small words this time so that even someone as fatuous as you can understand.
NOBODY is claiming that an executive order had to be issued to give Palin command of the Alaskan National Guard. First, get that through your thick skull.
Palin claims that her role as nominal commander of the National Guard qualifies as "national security experience." However, "experience" means more than just a job title.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "experience" means "practical knowledge gained over the course of an encounter." In other words, acquiring "experience" involves being placed in a situation that involves decision-making and living/learning with the consequences of your decisions. Experience means being able to point to a successful track record of decision-making, being able to say that you've been in these situations before, and being able to say what practical knowledge you've learned from these situations. THAT is "experience."
Palin certainly had the authority to command the National Guard, but was never in a situation that involved her to make an executive decision as commander of the National Guard. In fact, there is NO RECORD of her making ANY executive decisions in her role as nominal commander of the National Guard. As the article that I quoted and that you NEGLECTED to read in full demonstrates, someone else made these decisions for her.
Likewise, as governor, Palin also had the authority to conduct trade missions with Russia, just as the former Democratic governor Tony Knowles did. However, since there is NO RECORD of her actually conducting any trade missions (in fact, there's NO RECORD of Palin even owning a passport to visit foreign countries before 2008), she CANNOT claim to have this type of "experience."
Palin was NEVER involved in any foreign trade missions (in fact, she flat out lied when she claimed this type of experience on national television); Palin was NEVER involved in a situation that required her to lead the National Guard or even issue an executive order! Therefore, she can't claim to have work experience in EITHER area. NO track record = NO experience.
Your analogy to the role of the POTUS as commander-in-chief is equally dense. Bush doesn't need to issue an executive order for each tactical maneuver in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he did authorize the invasion in the first place and he continues to authorize major strategic shifts (like the "Surge"). Your "analogy" is just as faulty as the rest of your "logic."
MOTIGUI:
"However, she is briefed from time to time on top secret issues involving the 49th and with that she has a higher security clearance than Obama does up until the time he's sworn in."
So? What has Palin actually DONE with this information? What decision-making situations has Palin had to face as the result of access to this intelligence? What decisions has Palin made as nominal commander of the National Guard? What track record can she point to that actually qualifies as "experience"? There were certainly opportunities (mostly natural disasters) for Palin to be involved in these decision-making situations, as my cited article indicates, but Palin chose not to be involved in it.
As for Obama, he chairs the European Affairs Subcommittee under the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And Obama, with Biden's approval, chaired 4 meetings at the full Senate Foreign Relations committee level to probe Generals Jones and Petraeus about the ongoing operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Congressmen are not executives and can't issue executive level decisions, but at least Obama has demonstrated the willingness to tackle foreign policy issues at the level that his position as Congressman legally restricts him to.
By the way, McCain missed ALL 4 of these meetings.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi...
Get it yet, or do you need to ask someone smarter to explain it to you again?
I can't believe someone has to explain what the term "work experience" means to you.
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LegalBob11 months, 3 weeks ago
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What is truly pathetic is that you two can't agree to disagree. The role of the 49th is the first line of defense in case of a missile launch from the Soviet Union and that, on top of her security clearance and subsequent advisories from the DOD gives her all the experience she needs in time of an attack. So, let me get this straight, you believe she doesn't have any experience because there hasn't been a missile attack yet? Preventative "experience", yes. First hand experience, I surely hope not. What sort of "experience" do you want from her in this matter anyway, push a missile launch button ??? :-)
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Too bad you had to stoop to handle-munging, shows that you are not confident in your approach and have no intentions on carry on a more peaceful discussion and intelligent conversation. I know, it's my job to ascertain that. Too bad this couldn't have resulted in a more intelligent discussion as there is always more than one side of any story.-
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"So, let me get this straight, you believe she doesn't have any experience because there hasn't been a missile attack yet?"
*Sigh*
Your perspective is so limited, and it's clear you did NOT read in full the articles I cited.
1) Palin's role as commander of the National Guard is NOT limited to "missile attacks," as you crudely put it. In fact, as short as her tenure as governor has been, there have ALREADY been occasions (mostly natural disasters, civic emergencies, and rescue missions. None of these occasions involved your fantasy "missile strike" scenario.) during which Palin could have stepped up to the plate as true commander of the National Guard, but instead she DECLINED to participate. Instead, Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell took charge.
Yes, Palin is technically the nominal commander of the National Guard, but she has recused herself every time she could have led as commander of the National Guard and therefore has NO record of ACTUAL DECISION-MAKING. Experience means being able to point to a successful track record of decision-making, being able to say that you've been in these situations before, and being able to demonstrate practical knowledge you've learned from these situations. Palin can't claim ANY "experience" since every time a situation arose that required her to act as a commander of the National Guard, she excused herself and allowed others (Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell) to do the work for her.
NO decision making means NO experience. And proximity to Russia alone does NOT qualify as "foreign policy credentials."
2) Palin flat out LIED about conducting trade missions with Russia. There is NO RECORD of her ever conducting trade missions with Russia. In fact, there's NO RECORD of her even owning a passport until 2008.
3) If the U.S. had suddenly come under a Russian "missile attack" via Alaska, Palin would NOT be in command. The POTUS, NORAD, and NATO would assume control of the situation and the National Guard, NOT Sarah Palin (thank goodness!). LOL.
4) "Preventive experience"? LOL. Ok, I'll bite. What decisions did Palin make that would qualify as "preventive experience"? What actions did Palin take as governor to "prevent" the U.S. from a Russian "missile strike"? LOL. This ought to be good. By all means, post away and don't forget to include document evidence from nonpartisan sources to support your claims.
LEGALBOB:
"Too bad you had to stoop to handle-munging, shows that you are not confident in your approach and have no intentions on carry on a more peaceful discussion and intelligent conversation."
You want an "intelligent conversation"? Fine. You can start by supporting your assertions with documented evidence from nonpartisan sources, as I have already done above.
LEGALBOB:
"Too bad this couldn't have resulted in a more intelligent discussion as there is always more than one side of any story."
There is a limit to my patience, and that limit is often exceeded when bloviators dismiss the documented evidence I cite without having the decency to present ANY counter-evidence whatsoever. I cited an article in which the MAJOR GENERAL of the Alaska National Guard HIMSELF, Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, is on record as stating that Palin has NEVER exercised her nominal authority as governor to lead/orchestrate/authorize the National Guard in ANY operation, including rescue missions, civic emergencies, and even "preventive" maneuvers to counter your imaginary "Russian missile strike" (LOL). Yet, you are willing to dismiss the General's comments out of hand as if you know more about the situation than he does!
LOL!
But by all means, here is your opening. If you're truly interested in a "more intelligence discussion" and if "there's always more than one side of any story," you are certainly free to present your side.
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HughGeeRekshun11 months ago
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Don't ANY of you friggin dumbasses understand that it's JUST AT TITLE for crying out loud. Palin is "Commander-in-Chief" because it goes along with being THE GOVERNOR. She never exercised those powers simply because there hasn't been ANYthing to cause her to take any sort of action. However, it IS a KNOWN FACT that AS Governor she most definitely is updated on matters of National Security and has a TOP SECRET clearance, again, it goes along with the office of the Governor of THAT state due to the responsibilities of the National Guard in that locale. Nobody that I know of has ever stated that she would "take command" in the time of a crisis. And because of those briefing does in fact give her "preventative experience". Will she ever use it? No, the General will.
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To use a worn out old phrase "GET A LIFE" for crissake.
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You don't follow what is being discussed very well, do you. The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever. That's the issue. She never said that to Couric either. Read her response to Gibson and then read the responses to Couric again and maybe you'll get the hang of it, that is if you can see through your tainted specs. I am no expert in foreign policy but I do understand concepts quite well. I fully understand her comments and not once did I consider her responses to be "I can see Russia, therefore I am an expert in foreign policy". To think that is what she meant is absolutely absurd. But you don't like her, so whatever you think is understandable.
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"You don't follow what is being discussed very well, do you. The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever."
I believe it's you who doesn't follow the discussion very well. Claiming foreign policy credentials because of Russia's proximity is EQUALLY ABSURD. Palin may have never used the words "see Russia from my house," but she did make the ABSURD argument that Alaska's proximity to Russia was sufficient by itself to give her foreign policy credentials.
You know your argument is a lost cause when you've been reduced to parsing words.
LOL.
CAJUN:
"I fully understand her comments and not once did I consider her responses to be 'I can see Russia, therefore I am an expert in foreign policy.'"
Than I think you better read it again. Her claim that Alaska's proximity to Russia is sufficient to afford her foreign policy experience is there in black-and-white.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that? Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does BECAUSE OUR-- OUR NEXT DOOR ARE FOREIGN COUNTRIES. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--"
And to make matters worse, Palin claims that conducting trade missions with Russia as governor of Alaska gives her foreign policy credentials, yet records show that she LIED. Palin NEVER conducted any trade missions with Russia and in fact didn't even own a passport until 2008.
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bluetexasvalley11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sorry, but that bit of insight did not come from SNL.
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The first time I heard it reported was during the Republican Convention, right after her speech, and it was said by Fox News' Steve Doocy -- with a straight face. I couldn't believe it.
The next time I heard it repeated was by Cindy McCain during some interview. It was clearly not meant to be funny. This was all well before SNL got into the act.
After that I heard it from McCain, Palin herself and several other Republicans trying to establish her foreign policy "experience".
Perhaps you would like to treat it as a joke now, but at the time it was delivered in all seriousness by the GOP. -
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Jeboba11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Bogus story? It's been all over TV today. VIDEO TAPES! Nothing bogus about this story, just the bogus bimbo at the center of it.
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She is totally clueless. What a loser! SHE lost the election for you guys and you still defend her?
NO, SNL did not make up "seeing russia". Sarah said we can see Russian from Alaska. SNL just spiced it up a bit by adding 'from my house' At any rate, the woman is just so stupid it is funny to us with a brain cell to work with. -
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Jeboba11 months, 3 weeks ago
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C'mon! You can't even figure out why we are talking about her! It's not that she was at a turkey farm, it's that she was too stupid to move to a different spot when the actual slaughtering of the birds was going on behind her. It was in very bad taste to most people.
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The whole bruhaha is that she is just STUPID... just like YOU idiots that support her. Why don't you go consult your witch doctor at your church!!
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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What a bunch of morons. Where do you think that the turkeys you are going to eat in a few days comes from. Where do you think that any meat you eat comes from. Those of us who grew up in agribusiness get used to seeing these kinds of things. Go and visit a slaughter house sometime. The ranting about anything to do with the killing of turkeys is nonsense unless you are a vegetarian.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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That’s pretty darned Palin youbetcha of you.
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I guess this is the new GOP strategy, show various deaths and slaughters while their politicians are bloviating...hoping to distract the eye from the warmongering and economy wrecking. It could work!-
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Those things are a fact of life and if you do not like the thought of it become a vegetarian. Working on the farm I had to kill chicken and the women then took the dead birds and scalded them in hot water and pulled the feathers off. It is not fun but if we wanted to eat chicken that is what we had to do. I also helped slaughter a cow once. You people that never have to get your hand dirty doing these things and then rant about it should be forced to kill and butcher your own food for a while. It becomes do it or starve.
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Go take your foolishness somewhere else. You are sickening to those of us who have had to do this kind of thing.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow no matter how many times you are corrected you insist on this being about "anti turkey farming". Somehow I don't believe you are that dense, your just being obtuse.
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It's the "wisdom" of doing an interview with that in the background. Not whether or not turkeys are slaughtered or how. But you are being disingenuous, you KNOW full well. Not even Palin is that dense.
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Georgia5011 months, 3 weeks ago
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I guess they thought turkey meat was a soybean by-product. Which is completely reasonable considering, for example, that Neil Boortz can't get a caller to his radio show who both a) voted for Obama and b) knows who Nancy Pelosi is.
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Sure hope they don't channel surf to National Geographic while a lion is closing in on a wildebeast. They'll be reduced to mindless zom... Oh wait. They're already there.-
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You ever see a chicken with it's head cut off, Georgia?
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It's a less than pretty sight.
Why don't you send us all a film with that in the background?
Show us how classy you think it is.
It's pretty 'frikken warped that it's an issue...but she could have turned around so we did not have to watch the Ring O' Death.-
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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No it is not fun. But it has to be done. Why did Radiofreeeuropa put this on Propeller? So you and everybody else that hates Palin can rant some more. Where she is from most people are used to this kind of thing and think nothing of it. That was a local reporter and Radiofreeeuropa made it into Propeller insanity.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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How about that! It was on every network within 24 hrs...even FOX.
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Looks like your buddy RFE has a nose for news.
And a disdain for warmongering troglodytes.Youbetcha wink wink.
Again no one is against turkey farms, you are missing the point.
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I do not hate Palin.
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I just think she is one of the last people on the face of all the Earth I would chose as President of the United States.
The very idea is ridiculous.
The video is more like a mad theatrical play than a news interview.
Death of a Turkey ?
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Your joking right? Would Ronald Reagan have had animals being slaughtered 3 ft away from him in an interview? Would anyone with a brain? You wouldn't defend Obama if he was bizarre enough to use slaughtering animals as a background for an interview. It's just moronic and in very poor decorum.
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cushi11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It reminded me of the great turkey tragedy on the defunct tv series, WKRP in Cincinnati. Remember when they tried to do a turkey giveaway by dropping the turkeys out of a plane? And the poor turkeys were dropping on people or hitting the ground, like, SPLATTT!!
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The poor reporter was going, "Oh, the humanity!" It was hilarious...because it was a tv show and a comedy and meant to be in ridiculous bad taste...but seeing the real deal? HEARTLESS, HUMORLESS AND HIDEOUS!!
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I can't find the link pointing to where she said she was fine with it. Please post, thanks. If she was "fine with it", so what? The ultimate villain here is the station that allowed it to be aired. Now, maybe a stretch but not too far off ... what IF that run should have hit the cutting room floor and some tech out for a buk or two, sold it rather than burning it? It HAS happened ya know and quite often.
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OH, now we are going to blame the camera man? Hmmm? Of course, Republicans NEVER accept any responsibility for their actions and ALWAYS blame somebody else.
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Look, the woman is a stupid bimbo. Let's hope she keeps it up. It won't take long for the people of Alaska to get sick and tired of being laughed at. She will NEVER be re-elected, even to dog catcher of Wasilla.
I'm sure the RNC wishes she would go away too! She has embarassed the hell out of them. Except there are the right wing radical evangelical fundamentalist gon totin fruitcakes that like her! Well, that leave most reasonable people out and WE DON'T LIKE HER because she gives the rest of the world the excuse to laugh at all of us! -
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lvrofwolves11 months, 3 weeks ago
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RFE-Yah I know! and this is something I want to make sure to think about as I'm sitting down at the table this Thanksgiving, Sarah Palins shrill voice and turkey blood.......
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lvrofwolves11 months, 3 weeks ago
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That guy reminds me of the movie Fargo, where he's mindlessly stuffing a body in a wood chipper. There's Sarah standing there in her expensive clothes all chipper, and giddy saying nothing of importance except that she was glad to be there, involved, and she didn't care about any political backlash, by golly she was having a good time!!!
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DarkWizard11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thank you for the invite and the funny video! Is she just totally clueless or what?!
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Seeing turkeys get killed didn't faze me one bit as I've heard my Dad's vivid description of killing chickens on the farm many times. Of course, it wasn't surprising to see Palin use this event for more inane babbling (any setting works for that!).
The predictable clamor from the right-wing rabble is what I find even more hilarious! Defending Palin has no meaning except to show that birds (turkeys) of a feather…vote for morons (or something like that).
The defeat of McCain/Palin has been harsh on the Neocon faithful and some of the staunch Republicans. But, at least articles like this one still give them a way to keep their writing skills sharp, their wit keen and their comments as ready as waiting for that next chance to grab a vine while sinking in quicksand.
I actually envy the Neocons! They are so hapless, blind and ignorant that they don’t even know that they lost the election for President and some major seats in Congress. Ignorance is bliss! Of course, the ones that do realize they’ve lost are waiting for a recount and another Supreme Court decision! Happy Turkey Day!
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HannibalBarca11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Was that Joe the Plummer in the back ground ?
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Is he licensed ?
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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She did something worse than shoot wolves herself:
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yah, really great and just slightly slanted ... You should see what those people do at dog shows. They let dogs out of cages when the owner / handler is showing in one of the rings. I have first hand experience with those people, been showing Aussies for over 20 years and have witnessed this many times. Them and the PETA people. They are NO friends of dog owners for sure. There was a big incident at Wesminster this time with some of the PETA people being arrested for actually abusing the animals by blowing cigarette smoke in their faces.
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Of course. Her government should just let the wolves go wild and not be controlled. That way the moose and caribou populations in those area will be extinct and the people that live on eating them and the wolves themselves can just starve. A lot of those places are Islands. You libs are pathetic. EVERY state wildlife commission gives out permits for hunting that allow the hunted animals be kept in check and in that way the rest have a healthier life. Your ignorance of the ecology is amazing.
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DaneL11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You're asking people to try and understand something that most have never seen let alone lived with. I only wish I could reintroduce wolves or grizzlies in their backyard. It's all great as long as they don't have to live with them. They think it's like some Disney movie.-
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not2needy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was raised in the mountains, bob cats and bears! Not once do i recall anyone ever killing one. Sometimes man has to let nature take it's course and stop trying to intervene where they're not needed.
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DaneL11 months, 3 weeks ago
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So then you are fine with wolves and grizzlies being around your kids and livstock? Great! Move out here we now have plenty of both and they just love EASY food sources. Or better yet, let the government send you a few for your neighborhood.
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HannibalBarca11 months, 3 weeks ago
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So what is your point ???? 2 posts up you say " I only wish I could reintroduce wolves or grizzlies in their backyard " now your bitc hing that it is a stupid idea ????and why ? Because N2N said to live with the animals?
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Endoscopy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Could it be the black cat doesn't know as much as claimed. Did cat live in Alaska where these things are happening. Does cat know what the wildlife commission in the state that that mountain is did about issuing hunting licenses? Of course not. Just because cat didn't kill anything that does not mean that others were not culling the wildlife by hunting there.
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Live in the real world not your little made up one.
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HannibalBarca11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sorry but Sask. is a prov. bigger than Texas, but maybe a million people, farm land in the south, forest and muskeg in the north, and a deer, moose hunters paradise.
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Sabre probably forgot more about nature than you will ever know.
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DaneL11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"But still someone who proposes to set wildlife free in urban areas"
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You really don't get it do you? Very simple, don't tell me what to do in my backyard and I won't tell you what to do with yours. What gives you the right to keep me from protecting my property.
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Depends on the species of the game and the predator. There are many more deer than there are predators that hunt and kill them, including man. Now, when you're speaking of Moose in Alaska, there is just the opposite and the native Alaskans depend on Moose for food. I understand that most people are uneducated when it comes to balance in the ecosystem.
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DaneL11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sounds like a good idea but we can't thin wolves and grizzlies out here, except in very rare occassions. You can shoot a grizzly here if he/she is eating you and you better be able to prove it. We have too many tree-huggers coming here in the summer (then they leave when the weather gets harsh) telling us how to live and what is best for us.
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Georgia5011 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not an industry expert, but I spent time on a turkey farm on an Israeli kibbutz back in the 70s. The conical "contraption" as we used it was not for slaughtering turkeys. It was to humanely dispatch the ones that are sick before they infect the others. It's designed for the neck to drop through so it can be cleanly sliced. Death is quick, and the carcasses are then incinerated after the blood drains out. Same thing takes place on chicken farms.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Palin and her supporters can splatter as much blood as they like in private.
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But stay the heII out of politics please. It isn't the clueless Palin I dislike, but the cretinous anti-science, anti-reality, bozos who would get excited about such a candidate.
To think anyone entertained the idea of this buffoon in public office is embarrassing.
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puffin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am, ameliog.
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But If I .. let's say .. had to pull a Survivorman .. I could resort to catching fish. I'd be ok with that. Depends on how hungry I was .. and where I was stranded. Hopefully I was just lost in East Van without a granola bar 'cause those old Italian men sure know how to tend a garden! ; )
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tchef11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The contraption is to drain the blood from the turkey. That's why the guy was waiting there so long.
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If your a vegetarian and have been for a long time, be careful about eating any meat if pulling a "survivor man". Your body isn't used to the bacteria that is contained in meat and just suddenly eating it will cause you to become very ill. You have to work your way back up to it a little at a time. (not a condemnation, just a little helpful knowledge) -
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ameliog11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I respect your diet choice. It'd be so tough for me to give up meat and dairy, although it would be the easiest for me to do at the least cost if I needed to make severe budget choices.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Many years ago I was working as a purchasing agent for a luxury Hotel, took a tour of a slaughterhouse in that capacity, they had a hand held device that drove a "nail" into the brain of the animals. (Like in "No Country For Old Men). A friend of mine who grew up on a farm said they break their necks to end life. Since the head is still on the birds, it's likely one of the two is the answer. What a place for an interview! Is she oblivious? Was it intentional?
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k9kssr11 months, 3 weeks ago
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A friend of mine went to Korea to visit her son in the military. Their hotel was next door to a restraunt that served dog. They would tie the dogs up in the alley behind and beat them before slaughtering them, supposedly those "toxins" such as adrenaline tenderize the meat.
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I've watched my grandmother kill chickens by wringing their necks, sometimes the head comes off and the chicken will continue to run around....hence the saying "like a chicken with it's head cut-off".-
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puffin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It may tenderize the meat, sure *supposedly* ... but the human body has to work up to like fifteen times harder to remove those toxins from the digestive system, and even then not all are removed, but stored and accumulated in each & every cell.
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cushi11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Although where I live is considered a city, in my younger days, it was VERY country. My next door neighbors raised chickens, and whenever they wanted a good chicken dinner for Sunday, the elderly man would go out and get a chicken from the coop, either wring it's neck or put it on a chopping block and chop it off with a hatchet. As a kid, I was very curious and inquisitive, so I went to watch how it was done one time, and sure enough, after he had chopped the head off the chicken, it jumped up and started running all around the yard, and headed directly toward me. Scared the beejesus out of me!! lol
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That was the end of my observations, you betcha!!
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earthlingerer11 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you look, it's kind of funnel shaped, and the head comes out at the end.
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Also, look inside the basin under it, and at the guys pants.
Notice the turkey "kicking" in the first part?
It's where they bleed the birds. You just didn't see them get cut.
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I saw it last night on CNN and MSNBC, both of whom blocked out the view of the turkey while it struggled. After watching this uncensored Youtube version on an HD screen, it appears that the man is wringing the turkey's neck and then severing its head after stuffing it into the device that subsequently bleeds the bird. As a lacto-ovo-pesca vegetarian, I found it disgusting. Will she next subject us to watching her field dress a moose?
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I wasn't even able to concentrate on what she was saying until the 4th time I saw it. She really seems ideal for this now:
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endo, why do you keep insisting this is about food?
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Find a single comment that isn't ultimately about Palin's lack of judgment in using this background. You seem to want to pretend it's about the slaughter itself.
It is not.
It's about why anyone with an intact cerebellum would use or even allow that to be a background for an interview. I think you know that.
So quit pretending people are against turkey farms.
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tchef11 months, 3 weeks ago
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What voter group is she going for there? Slaughter house employees maybe? As a chef and one time hunter what was going on doesn't really bother me, but it's just not a scene you want going on in the background when you are giving an interview.
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StevieGee11 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you are going to be in politics on the national level you have to be smart. You have to understand that the media is going to make mountains out of molehills. You have to manipulate the press coverage to make yourself look as good as possible because this is all that most people have to judge you by. Having someone slaughtering birds in the back ground is just plain stupid. Barack Obama wouldn't be President Elect right now if he had done something like this. It shows poor judgement. Good judgement is something that I feel, a President needs. McCain lost because picking Sarah as a VP showed bad judgement.
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Bkumm11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You know, I'm a meatatarian, but watching that video has put me off my feed for a while.
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I'm also concerned about ole Sarah. It's one thing to say that you're a hunter and a gun enthusiast, but it's quite another to hang out and give an interview at the turkey holocaust. What the heck was she doing there anyway? Oh, that's right, it was "promoting a local business" and it was "fun". How much fun did she have in her dress clothes?
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Hhussk11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually, the background was intentional. Most of us behind the scenes knew it at the time.
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The joke is on people who are looking for a reason to complain about her. If you complain about killing turkeys, you're a moron. If you complain it's not a local business, you're clearly ignorant. If you complain that she's stupid, you're making yourself look even more stupid.
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Bkumm11 months, 3 weeks ago
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What was the intent? To show that she likes to watch while turkeys are slaughtered? To show her "support" for a local business? What was the intent?
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She's reaching, grasping and gasping for media attention and we all know why. Now, the question is whether or not she's reaching the "real America" by being interviewed in front of a turkey slaughtering operation.
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ProudBlueTexan11 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you think you can't enjoy Thanksgiving without eating a dead turkey, ask a vegetarian. They're the smartest people on the planet.
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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No, the smartest people are the ones that eat one that IS dead. :-)
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Sure, society could be weaned off red meat, etc. but can't happen physiologically over night. We are a meat-eating species and completely changing over to a foreign diet simply won't happen, the hormons won't allow it.
My wife says I could survive off Rice Crispies and Cheerios .. she's right. :-)
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HannibalBarca11 months, 3 weeks ago
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And your comment shows me that you ain,t talking turkey.....LMAO
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hhussk, if you were there behind the scenes as you claim, by all means enlighten us as to intention here...how does this show good judgement? oh and no one complained about killing turkeys, just slaughtering them in plain view while one is gobbling for the camera.
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HannibalBarca11 months, 3 weeks ago
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No I think he means like the turkeys, headless, it does suit some of his comments.
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Wonder how much that wardrobe cost so to look good for the turkeys
lol.
Actually though, I do believe that interview was at what is left of the Alaskan Rep Party and their supporters
Animal Farm anyone.
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b4ree7611 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you think this is bad don't eat turkey. Eat tofu for Thanksgiving.
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Also to all Obama supporters. You should watch a partial birth abortion procedure. When the full grown infant's head is out of the birth canal, the abortionist inserts a scissor-like instrument to spread the skull opening at spine intersection. Then a high powered machine sucks out the baby's brains. Think about that during your Thanksgiving celebration.-
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b4ree7611 months, 3 weeks ago
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Your right, the comparison is idiotic.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Besides the obvious [how would you know-were you a decapitated turkey in a former life?], how does the turkey's nervous system process pain without a freakin head?
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one key factor of pain is it has to be recognized-you have to be aware of it. Hence they put you to sleep before they start ta cuttin...
I will however use your advice about thinking about abortion at Thanksgiving Dinner-a) I could lose a couple pounds and it might keep me from over-eating, and b) my second cousin been looking good to me and Tryptophan makes me horny [oddly enough Viagara puts me to sleep...tho it occasionally makes me dream about making love to turkeys. Go figure]-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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nothing like a misplaced post
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obviously a reply to the aborted Thanksgiving dinner comment above
as for the replied to post about what I have done for human rights...if I was the one made the abortion comments, I'd probably have a good answer for that...it's an easy one, a ground ball...
this section appears all jumbled as PBT's post is apparently misplaced as well
what have I done for human rights...hmmmm...well I'm human, therefore I've been fighting for human rights all my life
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GehlLady11 months, 3 weeks ago
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oops tchef, was supposed to be under b4ree.........I agree it was odd...
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exactly. Killing human babies is a "privacy issue", a womans "choice".
Killing turkeys is inhumane.
Although I thought it a little odd to frame the video like it was, it didn't send me into such indignation either. I eat meat, that's what happens before it gets to the grocery store. Does anyone with the "so inhumane!" comments buy eggs? Do they pay the extra to make sure they are free range eggs? Is it only inhumane when they don't see the chickens that never leave their cages? Ever eat veal? -
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CajunChamp11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I can't help but agree as to "why it's in the interview". Why didn't the station pull it? How did it make the national news? Sooo many questions regarding this and some of the answers may be surprising IF we get any plausible ones.
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Charlson11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I thought it was quite brilliant."
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Of course you do. But most people don't like being reminded how their food is killed, from chicken to beef to pork or turkey, people just don't want to see what looks like inhumane treatment of their food source. So, what do you think most people will remember about this video? And did they also see this as mocking her detractors and spitting in their faces? I'd think this will only reenforce the notion that Palin is cruel and witless. But, hey. that's my take and I'm sticking to it. -
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Charlson11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Contrary to what you may think, this lib knows what happens BEFORE Thanksgiving when the birds are slaughtered probably months before the holiday. Most of us get our birds at a grocery store and they're usually frozen. You project what you think liberals think, but how in the hell would you know, are you liberal? lmao at some of the inaneness that some wing nuts possess.
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