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Endoscopy1 year ago
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That is a lie that is going around. You sick libs just have to tell your lies and repeat them long enough that you actually believe them. Did you even bother to read the post you are responding to????
"To show how stupid people are, 80% of the people think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually SNL that made that up."
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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BHAPPY:
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"To show how stupid people are, 80% of the people think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually SNL that made that up."
ENDOSCOPY:
"ROTFLMAO. That is a lie that is going around. You sick libs just have to tell your lies and repeat them long enough that you actually believe them."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--
COURIC: Mock?
PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.
COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--
COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state. "
CAJUNCHAMP:
"Ignorance is bliss ya know?!"
You don't say...
*Sigh*
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http://www.alec.org/am/pdf/2007_ALEC_Education_Rep...
Of the top 5 states with the HIGHEST academic achievement, 4 vote DEMOCRATIC (Minnesota, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire). Of the bottom 10 states with the WORST academic achievement, 7 vote REPUBLICAN(Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, West Virginia, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina).
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/elearnin...
Of the top 5 "SMARTEST states," 4 vote DEMOCRATIC (Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey). Of the 10 DUMBEST states, 8 vote REPUBLICAN (West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma).
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcg...
"U.S. medical students are considerably more likely to be liberal than conservative and are more likely to be liberal than are other young U.S. adults. Among these medical students, 5% self-characterized as politically very conservative, 21% conservative, 31% liberal, and 9% as very liberal.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106381/Obama-Education-...
"Barack Obama leads John McCain by a significant margin among voters with the most education. McCain leads Obama among those with the least education. Thus, it appears that Obama's strong showing among educated voters in the Democratic nomination contest would extend to the general election as well."
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/sta...
"College graduates are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican by a 53% to 46% margin. Those with postgraduate degrees are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican by a 58% to 41% margin."-
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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"The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever. That's the issue. She never said that to Couric either."
You must be a glutton for punishment. Sarah Palin IN HER OWN WORDS ON VIDEOTAPE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?...Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--"
Each fatuous comment you post simply serves to dig your grave deeper and deeper. Must be that world renown neocon mis-education.
LOL.
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CajunChamp1 year ago
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Yes it is quite pathetic that you refuse to understand her answer. Her creds are not based on "seeing Russia from her window" and THAT is the issue. You simply cannot judge the issue based on a Couric interview, you have to look at the entire situation and subsequent interviews to understand. Your failure to do this is what is pathetic. Have you ever taken the time to discover exactly what trade missions Alaska has been involved with regarding Russia? However, as an aside, trading with JUST Russia, IMHO, does not give one 100% credentials but at least it's a start in the right direction.
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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"Her creds are not based on "seeing Russia from her window" and THAT is the issue."
WRONG.
That is NOT the issue. The issue is whether PROXIMITY TO RUSSIA ALONE qualifies as "foreign policy credentials." Palin bandies about buzzwords like "national security," yet there is absolutely NO RECORD of her using the governor's office to protect our national security from Russia, there is NO RECORD of her issuing an executive order as commander of the Alaskan National Guard to protect our national security, and there is even NO RECORD of Palin owning a passport for foreign travel before this year.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-...
"Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?' CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. 'Just one?'
'But the governor has no command authority overseas -- or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska,' says Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard.
Occasions in which Palin does retain command authority over the 4,200-member Alaska National Guard are whenever the guard responds to in-state natural disasters and civic emergencies. 'For example, out west and northwest we had erosion problems and the National Guard was involved in some of the protection out there. About three days ago, the Army National Guard picked up a lady from Little Diomede ... at the request of state troopers.'
Did Palin directly approve each of those activities?
'No,' Campbell said. The governor has granted him authority to act on his own in most cases, including life-or-death emergencies when a quick response is required, or minor day-to-day operations."
CAJUNCHUMP:
"Have you ever taken the time to discover exactly what trade missions Alaska has been involved with regarding Russia?"
LOL. Trade missions? You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Spin this.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Did_Palin_lie_about_...
"Did Palin lie about 'trade missions' with Russia?
In a Thursday interview with Katie Couric, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin cited "trade missions" with Russia as her one tangible piece of foreign policy experience.
What trade missions?
Research doesn't show a single Alaska-Russia trade mission since former Democratic governor Tony Knowles visited Siberia in 1997, when Palin was running Wasilla. When the reporter asked gubernatorial spokeswoman Kate Morgan about this issue, she refused to answer."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/26/...
"As you might notice, Palin only cites one discernible foreign interaction under her purview: Trade missions. I spent some time on the Governor's Web site seeking more details about her trade negotiations with Russia. There's a press release about Gov. Palin's meeting with a trade mission from the Yukon, but nothing about Russia anywhere in the archives. Tony Knowles, a Democrat who was governor from 1994-2002, led a trade mission -- back in 1997, while Palin was running Wasilla. That seems to be about it for Russia-Alaska trade missions lately.
When asked for examples of trade missions with Russia that have taken place under Palin's watch, gubernatorial spokeswoman Kate Morgan refused to answer the question."
LOL!
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MotiGui1 year ago
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Man o man, what a freaking moron you are and dense as a steel marble. I am ashamed to call myself a democrat that voted for Obama in light of your ignorance.
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Palin is commander in chief of the 49th, she doesn't have to give an executive order to assume that role as that is the job of the actual commander himself. It's much the same as the President of the U.S. Do you think he gives executive orders to the military to carry out tactical maneuvers? The title goes with the job.
However, she is briefed from time to time on top secret issues involving the 49th and with that she has a higher security clearance than Obama does up until the time he's sworn in.
Do you have any clue at all what the role of the 49th is? Maybe you'll sleep a little better if you know.
As far as her policy credentials are concerned but after I saw both the Gibson and Couric interviews I thought much the same as everyone else, "what is it with this idiot", until I was curious enough to do some deep investigation. What I found out was quite surprising as to her credentials and then it made some sense in the interviews. Her "words" were not exactly what I would call accurate but nonetheless worthy of investigation. Go searching yourself and take that stupid pyramid off your head for once.
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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MOTIGUI:
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"Palin is commander in chief of the 49th, she doesn't have to give an executive order to assume that role as that is the job of the actual commander himself."
Wow. You are clearly illiterate. Let me explain it again, using small words this time so that even someone as fatuous as you can understand.
NOBODY is claiming that an executive order had to be issued to give Palin command of the Alaskan National Guard. First, get that through your thick skull.
Palin claims that her role as nominal commander of the National Guard qualifies as "national security experience." However, "experience" means more than just a job title.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "experience" means "practical knowledge gained over the course of an encounter." In other words, acquiring "experience" involves being placed in a situation that involves decision-making and living/learning with the consequences of your decisions. Experience means being able to point to a successful track record of decision-making, being able to say that you've been in these situations before, and being able to say what practical knowledge you've learned from these situations. THAT is "experience."
Palin certainly had the authority to command the National Guard, but was never in a situation that involved her to make an executive decision as commander of the National Guard. In fact, there is NO RECORD of her making ANY executive decisions in her role as nominal commander of the National Guard. As the article that I quoted and that you NEGLECTED to read in full demonstrates, someone else made these decisions for her.
Likewise, as governor, Palin also had the authority to conduct trade missions with Russia, just as the former Democratic governor Tony Knowles did. However, since there is NO RECORD of her actually conducting any trade missions (in fact, there's NO RECORD of Palin even owning a passport to visit foreign countries before 2008), she CANNOT claim to have this type of "experience."
Palin was NEVER involved in any foreign trade missions (in fact, she flat out lied when she claimed this type of experience on national television); Palin was NEVER involved in a situation that required her to lead the National Guard or even issue an executive order! Therefore, she can't claim to have work experience in EITHER area. NO track record = NO experience.
Your analogy to the role of the POTUS as commander-in-chief is equally dense. Bush doesn't need to issue an executive order for each tactical maneuver in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he did authorize the invasion in the first place and he continues to authorize major strategic shifts (like the "Surge"). Your "analogy" is just as faulty as the rest of your "logic."
MOTIGUI:
"However, she is briefed from time to time on top secret issues involving the 49th and with that she has a higher security clearance than Obama does up until the time he's sworn in."
So? What has Palin actually DONE with this information? What decision-making situations has Palin had to face as the result of access to this intelligence? What decisions has Palin made as nominal commander of the National Guard? What track record can she point to that actually qualifies as "experience"? There were certainly opportunities (mostly natural disasters) for Palin to be involved in these decision-making situations, as my cited article indicates, but Palin chose not to be involved in it.
As for Obama, he chairs the European Affairs Subcommittee under the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And Obama, with Biden's approval, chaired 4 meetings at the full Senate Foreign Relations committee level to probe Generals Jones and Petraeus about the ongoing operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Congressmen are not executives and can't issue executive level decisions, but at least Obama has demonstrated the willingness to tackle foreign policy issues at the level that his position as Congressman legally restricts him to.
By the way, McCain missed ALL 4 of these meetings.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi...
Get it yet, or do you need to ask someone smarter to explain it to you again?
I can't believe someone has to explain what the term "work experience" means to you.
LOL.
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LegalBob1 year ago
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What is truly pathetic is that you two can't agree to disagree. The role of the 49th is the first line of defense in case of a missile launch from the Soviet Union and that, on top of her security clearance and subsequent advisories from the DOD gives her all the experience she needs in time of an attack. So, let me get this straight, you believe she doesn't have any experience because there hasn't been a missile attack yet? Preventative "experience", yes. First hand experience, I surely hope not. What sort of "experience" do you want from her in this matter anyway, push a missile launch button ??? :-)
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Too bad you had to stoop to handle-munging, shows that you are not confident in your approach and have no intentions on carry on a more peaceful discussion and intelligent conversation. I know, it's my job to ascertain that. Too bad this couldn't have resulted in a more intelligent discussion as there is always more than one side of any story.-
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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"So, let me get this straight, you believe she doesn't have any experience because there hasn't been a missile attack yet?"
*Sigh*
Your perspective is so limited, and it's clear you did NOT read in full the articles I cited.
1) Palin's role as commander of the National Guard is NOT limited to "missile attacks," as you crudely put it. In fact, as short as her tenure as governor has been, there have ALREADY been occasions (mostly natural disasters, civic emergencies, and rescue missions. None of these occasions involved your fantasy "missile strike" scenario.) during which Palin could have stepped up to the plate as true commander of the National Guard, but instead she DECLINED to participate. Instead, Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell took charge.
Yes, Palin is technically the nominal commander of the National Guard, but she has recused herself every time she could have led as commander of the National Guard and therefore has NO record of ACTUAL DECISION-MAKING. Experience means being able to point to a successful track record of decision-making, being able to say that you've been in these situations before, and being able to demonstrate practical knowledge you've learned from these situations. Palin can't claim ANY "experience" since every time a situation arose that required her to act as a commander of the National Guard, she excused herself and allowed others (Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell) to do the work for her.
NO decision making means NO experience. And proximity to Russia alone does NOT qualify as "foreign policy credentials."
2) Palin flat out LIED about conducting trade missions with Russia. There is NO RECORD of her ever conducting trade missions with Russia. In fact, there's NO RECORD of her even owning a passport until 2008.
3) If the U.S. had suddenly come under a Russian "missile attack" via Alaska, Palin would NOT be in command. The POTUS, NORAD, and NATO would assume control of the situation and the National Guard, NOT Sarah Palin (thank goodness!). LOL.
4) "Preventive experience"? LOL. Ok, I'll bite. What decisions did Palin make that would qualify as "preventive experience"? What actions did Palin take as governor to "prevent" the U.S. from a Russian "missile strike"? LOL. This ought to be good. By all means, post away and don't forget to include document evidence from nonpartisan sources to support your claims.
LEGALBOB:
"Too bad you had to stoop to handle-munging, shows that you are not confident in your approach and have no intentions on carry on a more peaceful discussion and intelligent conversation."
You want an "intelligent conversation"? Fine. You can start by supporting your assertions with documented evidence from nonpartisan sources, as I have already done above.
LEGALBOB:
"Too bad this couldn't have resulted in a more intelligent discussion as there is always more than one side of any story."
There is a limit to my patience, and that limit is often exceeded when bloviators dismiss the documented evidence I cite without having the decency to present ANY counter-evidence whatsoever. I cited an article in which the MAJOR GENERAL of the Alaska National Guard HIMSELF, Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, is on record as stating that Palin has NEVER exercised her nominal authority as governor to lead/orchestrate/authorize the National Guard in ANY operation, including rescue missions, civic emergencies, and even "preventive" maneuvers to counter your imaginary "Russian missile strike" (LOL). Yet, you are willing to dismiss the General's comments out of hand as if you know more about the situation than he does!
LOL!
But by all means, here is your opening. If you're truly interested in a "more intelligence discussion" and if "there's always more than one side of any story," you are certainly free to present your side.
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HughGeeRekshun11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Don't ANY of you friggin dumbasses understand that it's JUST AT TITLE for crying out loud. Palin is "Commander-in-Chief" because it goes along with being THE GOVERNOR. She never exercised those powers simply because there hasn't been ANYthing to cause her to take any sort of action. However, it IS a KNOWN FACT that AS Governor she most definitely is updated on matters of National Security and has a TOP SECRET clearance, again, it goes along with the office of the Governor of THAT state due to the responsibilities of the National Guard in that locale. Nobody that I know of has ever stated that she would "take command" in the time of a crisis. And because of those briefing does in fact give her "preventative experience". Will she ever use it? No, the General will.
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To use a worn out old phrase "GET A LIFE" for crissake.
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CajunChamp1 year ago
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You don't follow what is being discussed very well, do you. The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever. That's the issue. She never said that to Couric either. Read her response to Gibson and then read the responses to Couric again and maybe you'll get the hang of it, that is if you can see through your tainted specs. I am no expert in foreign policy but I do understand concepts quite well. I fully understand her comments and not once did I consider her responses to be "I can see Russia, therefore I am an expert in foreign policy". To think that is what she meant is absolutely absurd. But you don't like her, so whatever you think is understandable.
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ybdogsct1 year ago
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"You don't follow what is being discussed very well, do you. The issue is that Palin said that she can SEE Russia and that gives her foreign policy credentials. She NEVER SAID that whatsoever."
I believe it's you who doesn't follow the discussion very well. Claiming foreign policy credentials because of Russia's proximity is EQUALLY ABSURD. Palin may have never used the words "see Russia from my house," but she did make the ABSURD argument that Alaska's proximity to Russia was sufficient by itself to give her foreign policy credentials.
You know your argument is a lost cause when you've been reduced to parsing words.
LOL.
CAJUN:
"I fully understand her comments and not once did I consider her responses to be 'I can see Russia, therefore I am an expert in foreign policy.'"
Than I think you better read it again. Her claim that Alaska's proximity to Russia is sufficient to afford her foreign policy experience is there in black-and-white.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
"COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that? Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does BECAUSE OUR-- OUR NEXT DOOR ARE FOREIGN COUNTRIES. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--"
And to make matters worse, Palin claims that conducting trade missions with Russia as governor of Alaska gives her foreign policy credentials, yet records show that she LIED. Palin NEVER conducted any trade missions with Russia and in fact didn't even own a passport until 2008.
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