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Posted By pc25 1 year, 1 month ago in NewsThis coming Friday, the Supreme Court will review in conference the case filed by Leo Donofrio citing questions over Obama' s citizenship. As you may know, conferences are private meetings in which the justices review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This conference (Dec. 5) is just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nations next president.
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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Though the mainstream media has failed to cover this issue, there has been a growing trickle of articles. The best so far is an article in The Bulletin
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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Why do you always blame MSM for not running with YOUR agenda ... as if this somehow proves MSM is biased to the Left?
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If MSM focused on every story that YOU focused on ... it would mean our nation was a Demented, Fascist, Racist, Repressive, Cesspool .... populated by Right Wing Terrorists and Death Squads.-
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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First of all the quote is from the article and it seems to me and I would think most normal people would agree GOPPY that the Supreme Court on Friday deciding on whether to pursue a case that involves the CITIZENSHIP OF THE RECENTLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to me is a rather newsworthy story. That you have not yet comprehended that the MSM has become the STATE SPONSORED PROPAGANDA MACHINE of the DNC is frightening.
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orndorffter1 year ago
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pc25;>> There was a story but out about Hillary Clinton too, saying that she couldnt be Secratary of State,I Talked to Time, Washington post, and others. Their reaction was, there is alot of false Articals being put out, dont belive everything you hear, because its not true, so how do we know if this is true or not.The only way anybody is going to find out if it is ture, contact those you know. Iam not going to worrie because he is a Citizen, did you here anything on the news about it, I'm sure this would have already made top news.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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All the B.S. the right cooks up which in their feeble minds becomes fact because Rush and Sean say it is true..... makes it to the Supreme Court? Amazing. Hopefully we can get this court balanced again to override the radical righties sitting there now!
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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What do you call debunked. The wording on the document that has been shown to the media etc. is not worded like others of the same era. That makes it suspicious. Especially since anything can be counterfeited. All that had to be done to kill this quest was to request Hawaii to issue another birth certificate to the media. That would have stopped everything in its tracks. Why was that not done?
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It was a Hillary supporter that started this. He is a pure Democrat so don't try to pin this on the right. The problem is the document in question has the word "African" on it for the race of his father. When he was born the word was "Negroe" with that spelling. It was not until 1968 that they dropped that word and changed to "Black" and later to "African".
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Also this document is not a birth certificate but a similar document that is given. Why oh why has Obama not put the matter to rest by giving permission to the State of Hawaii to give out copies of his birth certificate. That would put an end to this immediately.-
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bigG1 year ago
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"Why oh why has Obama not put the matter to rest by giving permission to the State of Hawaii to give out copies of his birth certificate. That would put an end to this immediately."
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No it won't you colossal liar. People of your ilk will just come up with some other nonsensical argument about it being fake.
The birth certificate has been verified by the State of Hawaii as valid and the hospital records indicate the same. He is a native born US citizen.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It is a Hillary DEMOCRAT that is bringing this case. He is a former DA and is very much a Democrat. Why do you blame this on Republicans or conservatives?
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This case would have been stopped in its tracks if he had allowed the State of Hawaii to give out a real birth certificate. There have been found to be problems with wording and printing on this document. A brand new one would kill all of this.
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hamy1 year ago
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My thought is, don't you think that before they spent millions and millions of dollars putting Obama forth as a candidate that the powers that be in the Democratic party would have made sure that his citizenship wasn't going to be an issue? These politicians have countless lawyers who look at every nook and cranny of their pasts to make sure that something like this doesn't come into question.
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It is a non-issue. It is being pushed to the Supreme Court because the other courts have thrown it out.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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Klarissa1 year ago
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Jeboba - If they saw the original, then that means that Obama asked that his records be unsealed.
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He was adopted by Soreto - who was an Indonesian Citizen. Supposedly the adoption sealed the papers.
and, supposedly, he traveled on an Indonesian passport to countries that the American passport would not be valid for.
The supposedly is very important - because there are tons of rumors out there about Obama's birthplace.
Because Obama has said that he will have a transparent presidency, He needs to start with himself.
Is he trying to prove that he can be secretive - but has an American birth certificate and wants to score, or does he not have one.
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earthlingerer1 year ago
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This all hinges only on two things:
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Was Obama's mother a US citizen?
Did she live in the US for the required fourteen years of her life before Obama was born?
If those two questions are answered affirmatively, then Obama is, in fact, and concurring with english common law, on which the constitution is based, a "natural born citizen".
O course, you don't have to take my word for it, but here's the word that is being considered:
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protoham1 year ago
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This is a very major story, we all have something at stake in this case. How can you say "your agenda"
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What happens if the SC says BO is not a citizen? Bush remains president until a run off election can be held?? Or does Biden become President?
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BigBadJohn6661 year ago
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No you wouldn't get Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosior or anyone that would be next in line in a normal situation since hussein wasn't elgible in the first place. It would either go to McCain/Palin by default or there would have to be a completely new election.
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4thchance1 year ago
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said "the mainstream media has failed to cover this issue" Well no kidding,
this is all new news to me!?
I read the article located here
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=202...
"Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so."
That in it's self does not look good at all for Obama.
Let's look at this with an open mind. If you were in Obama's shoes, and if you could easily prove your American citizenship by simply handing over your original birth certificate. Would you NOT hand it over to prove yourself!? Man, I'm tellin' ya, seems anyone would hand it over if it would clear them.
The only reason you would not hand it over would be because you're hiding the truth.
I say, if Obama is proven not to be an American citizen, then he should be imprisoned for the rest of his life. Look at what this will do to our country. If he is not a citizen, Obama would surly know that. He also would know he can not run to be president. SO WHAT THE F*** IS HE DOING!??????
This is the most messed up thing I have ever heard of. I'm a republican, and even I hope this is all BS and Obama is proven to be an American citizen. I can't stand the thought of what this could all mean if he is not. This could be a mess that outdoes all other messes. WOW!
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poster Goppy and his comment above, just goes to show you how insane some of the posters here truly are. This is a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR story, but Goppy thinks we should pay it no mind. Now that's GOOFY in the head! -
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mesodude1 year ago
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No, I'm afraid this is a "very" major pile of horsecrap and just because you claim it's "big news" does not make it so. It's baseless and it's been DEBUNKED. This is a complete joke and I would love to see Obama slap a "pretty big" multi-billion dollar con-bankrupting lawsuit on the filthy trolls who are pushing this load of garbage. There should be some extreme penalties for desperate, oxygen-wasting frauds who refuse to accept reality. We have Bush walking free and cons are wasting America's time on this CRAP. That's what I think would be "pretty big news". ;-)
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Goppy1 year ago
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Sorry BigBadJohn666 ... you've been made a fool of by the RNC marketing plan.
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See, it works like this ... "We're the Righteous Conservatives ... everyone's against us! Even the Media! You must disregard facts being reported by Media and focus solely on what our approved sources tell you."
See?
It's all advertising.
Naive, foolish people such as yourself, fall for this ... hook, line and sinker. Heck ... they even begin parroting the same 'talking points' the RNC puts out.
It's sad really, that someone could be so naive as to believe Mainstream Media is biased to the Left.
Of course, I accept the fact that when Republicans are portrayed in media ... they just NATURALLY appear repugnant.
I think that's where the whole Liberal Media thing comes from ... Republicans looking Morally Vacant and Incompetent when shown on media.
But hey, that's not MEDIA's fault.
The Modern Republican IS ... fundamentally Morally Compromised.
That's why they had to invent their own media outlets ... to control the circumstances of their portrayal.
See?
BTW ... I don't consider you a brainless idiot. You can string a few words together, after all.
I just consider you naive, impressionable, and slightly delusional.
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JamesMarcus1 year ago
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Thank god. I won't sleep a wink until this Kenyan double agent has been removed from office. In the meantime:
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Why would they allow a digitally scanned copy as proof of citizenship? I only ask this because when I signed up for the military, when I applied for a passport, as well as when I applied for a marriage license I had to provide the original, not even a certified copy would work. I would think it would also be required for the highest job in America. Just have him present the original at the time he takes the oath of office and be done with it!
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bigG1 year ago
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BB - wrong on all counts. A certified copy of the birth certificate is all that is necessary for a passport - not the original - just google the US Gov and you will see that is correct.
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Marriage license requirements may be different for every state, but a certidfied copy is also acceptable for that as well in Texas - as is a drivers license. (this can be googled also)
The military is the same. Hell, they accept foreigners don't they?
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rchyvon1 year ago
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I agree totally, a digital copy can be a fake one. Not only that, but anyone born of one or both American parents must also have a document called a Certificate of Citizenship, something I haven't heard Obama or anyone else mention. My son was born in Japan to two US borrn American Citizens, his Father was in the US Navy and he was born in a military hospital.
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Anyone who wants to go into the military or run in a lower political office who is not a "Natural Born Citizen", must have the Certificate of Citizenship and I doubt Obama even knows about it.
The problem is because this election had two men born out of the US, so lawyers who met early on to determine if both were eligible. Actually, neither was. A Natural Born citizen means you were born on American Soil, not a foreign country. So McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen either and this whole election has become a sham.
Russia's Navy is now off the Carribbean (SP) to "test" Obama and I do not believe America will be safe the day he swears in. We had a face to face with russia over Cuba when I was 12, and everyone was building bomb shelters. Obama is so overly concerned with our economy, I am terrified who will answer the phone at 2 AM and know what to do. He has lied to the American public about his whole agenda, so why would he submit a "real" birth certificate" along with a Certificate of Citizenship?-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Where did you jump from "a digital copy can be a fake", - to assuming Obama's birth certificate is a fake?
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You don't think Obama will make a good president.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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The law at the time of both men's birth was that a person who was born of two US citizens outside the US would be natural born if at least one parent came back and lived in the US afterward for at least 5 years.
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McCain met this requirement.
If Obama was born in Kenya then he is not a citizen since his father was not a US citizen. This is the problem. The document shown to people and digitally copied uses word that were not normally used at the time of his birth. This is what makes that document suspicious. All they had to do was have Hawaii to give to people a new certificate and all of this fuss would have gone away. Why was that not done.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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But if one of McCain's parents was not really an American, then McCain would not be a valid citizen. This is the problem.
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'Problem' not being that McCain's parents were foreigners (silly nonsense),
-but that an infinite regress of possible doubts can be laid,
where there is no sensible reason to doubt.
The Hawaiian department that issues certificates says it was valid;
the hospital says he was born there;
his family in hawaii says he was born there;
the state department says it was valid;
the experts hired by factcheck said it was valid.
There isn't a reason on earth to doubt it, - unless you want it to be so.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Problem with your assumptions. The State of Hawaii did not validate that piece of paper and is not allowed to comment on a birth unless authorized to by the person.
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There is problems with the wording in the document. The word Negroe was used at the time of his birth for the race of the father. After 1968 that word was changed to Black and later to African. Knowing those dates you can verify the date of birth to a certain extent. That is what cause the lawsuit in the first place.
Having Hawaii issue a now one would have stopped the original lawsuit in its tracks. It was brought by a Hillary Supporter who was a former DA. He begged Obama then to have Hawaii issue another one and was rebuffed. He vowed to take it all the way and has done just that.
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cushi1 year ago
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Rchyvon, you HAVE met the enemy, and it is YOU!! You are a sniveling, semi-hysterical cynic! Stop pushing your own blood pressure up over foolishness before you give yourself a massive stroke.
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Incidentally, I was a child during the Cuban Missile Crisis also, but unlike you, I grew up and stopped looking for the boogie man behind every door.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Why would they allow a digitally scanned copy as proof of citizenship?
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We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. -
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Jeboba1 year ago
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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rchyvon1 year ago
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Jejoba,
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Obama was not born in the USA. Where has your head been? He is only a US Citizen because his Mother was an American Citizen and I believe he was born in Indonesia, or Hawaii, and at the time he was born, Hawaiii WAS NOT A STATE YET, so please explain to me how you believe because he has a Birth Certificate, he was born in the US?
Not only that, but when one is born overseas of at least one US Citizen, they don't get a Birth Certificate from the US Embassy, they get what is called a Registration of Birth from the American Embassy or Consulate, that is why I beleave it is a false document,, minus the Certificate of Citizenship?-
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Bacalao1 year ago
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What I think is funny is that if Obama (the son of an American citizen) is not an American because he was either born in Kenya(on the other side of the planet), Indonesia(still a long expensive flight), Or Hawaii(became a state {2}two years earlier. Then J. Sydney McCain the(son of an American) is not an American either. He was born in a foreign nation(the recently created nation of Panama).
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So in conclusion Either both McCain and Obama Are nor Natural born Americans, Or they both are.
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rchyvon1 year ago
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Jejoba,
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I owe you an apology. It was McCain who was born in Hawaii before it became a State in 1959 instead of 1962.
The basic issue after doing more in depth research, the problem is his Birth Certificate MUST be an ORIGINAL, not a digital copy, as his Birth Certificate could be fake and why he is so adamant to produce an original with a stamp that certifies that the Birth Certificate is a certified copyu, and when I looked at the Birth Certificate, I didn't see that very important stamp. The fact OObama was raised in Indonesia for a good portion of his life may play a role too. An American who livs oversees and wants to maintain their Citizenship, must return to the US every five years, and I haven't read anywhere how long he lived overseas and if he returned to the US every five years.
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hyperbola1 year ago
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You are spreading misinformation again. There is no requirement for an american citizen to return to the US every five years. What you are thinking of are those who are NOT american citizens, but have residency permits (green cards).
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drpolyphemus1 year ago
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HERE IT IS ONLINE
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OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Try this site on for size. The person subjected the Obama certificate to tests of other known valid ones and found several problems. The border is wrong the type face is wrong etc.
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/20...
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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I never saw anyone on the left seriously doubt John McCain's citizenship.
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(Probably some did; there are dozens of crazy dishonest people on the left in this country).
I did see arguments posing the business of McCain being born outside the US, countering claims that Obama was not a citizen.
Of course, maybe those on the right posed questions about Obama's birth certificate to counter McCain being born in Panama, - but I doubt it.
McCain's citizenship was never was a real issue.
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bruhaha1 year ago
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Most of the comments about McCain's citizenship were in direct response to comments about Obama's citizenship. There might have been a few people to did "seriously" question McCain's citizenship and they were just as wrong as those questioning Obama's
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Try this one on for size.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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Dude, the 'analysis' is of the scanned version NOT an examination of the actual document. Any number of digital alterations could have been done.
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Frankly, some of the 'analysis' is patently ridiculous. The 'color heat' of a scanned digital image? COME ON! Aside from scanners having their own color profiles to begin with, simply converting a CMYK scan to RGB or vise versa changes how the colors are handled, as does deciding between GIF or JPEG web formats and how the compression parameters are set.
FactCheck.org looked at, handled, and photographed the ACTUAL COPY (showing the raised state seal) Obama kept in his Chicago campaign office.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...-
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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There is the head in the sand concept. For enough money and access to another document anything can be counterfeited. That is part of the allegations brought by the Hillery Democrat former DA brought to court. Digitally scanning in a document and comparing it to another scanned in document is the way things are done. I have no concept of the validity of this but also the fact that the wrong word for race of the father is also troublesome.
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I go back to my original question. When that Hillary supporter raised this lawsuit why did Obama not have Hawaii issue another one to the court and put an end to this nuttiness? That makes it even more suspicious. Why this steadfast refusal???? This is what I do not understand. That former Democrat DA made it clear he would pursue this all the way.
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Horsecrap indeed.
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This article posted by the usual suspect, a con-niving anti american right wing hypocrite, and the ususal suspects are supporting and promoting it to the top of this right wing blog, owned by the massive US right wing biased conservative media time warner/AOL/ Netscape/ Propeller
The question is why does this crap appear at the top of propeller, is not for scamming the system by the right wing moderators who control propeller, paid by the right wing owners of american media.-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Give yourself a break, pc25, and quit hyperventilating about Obama's being duly elected President. His birth certificate is very real and authentic. It has been verified by the authorities in Hawaii. I will be stunned if the Supreme Court even agrees to hear the case. It has no merit
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Jeboba1 year ago
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You want to get rediculous? McCain wasn't born in a military hospital in Panama either! He was born in a civilian hospital. So HE is not a natural born citizen either! Did you see us screaming and yelling about that? It's just as much a non-starter as you righties and your bullcrap you keep throwing out.
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Just as my son and daughter they where born in Japan when I was stationed there. They have birth abroad certificates and are still U. S. Citizens. they where born in a Japanese hospital because the military hospital did not have the capability.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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I made the same comment to my wife about McCain's birth. We could have made the same wild and spurious comments about McCain's citizenship as you cons insist on doing about Obama's
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GET OVER IT. GET ON BOARD. The last lifeboat is leaving. You can either be on it or go down with the ship!
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Goppy1 year ago
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A better question ....
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Why hasn't MAINSTREAM MEDIA investigated JOHN McCAIN'S Birth Certificate?
Why is Mainstream Media Covering for John McCain being born OUTSIDE the boundaries of the Panama Canal Zone?
Could it be that Mainstream Media was working behind the scenes to elect John McCain?
Why did Mainstream Media keep a lid on the fact that John McCain wasn't born within the United States?
Why are Christian Conservatives using a double standard to measure Obama's citizenship as opposed to McCain's citizenship.
Here. The New York Times questioned McCain's citizenship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mc...
Why didn't Mainstream Media pick up on this story?
For that matter, why didn't Mainstream Media ever once mention the tawdry details of John McCain's astonishing adultery and the manner in which he Abandoned his children.
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Mainstream Media is ruled by Multi-National Corporations who are in the pocket of The Modern Republican Party.
Again ... I ... Ask .... "Why didn't John McCain show us his Birth Certificate?
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Actually MSNBC did back in Feb., he has a birth abroad certificate,
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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This, BBcamaro, is where if we libs wanted to get silly, obnoxious, childish and just in general PC25ish, we would ask how do we know McCain's certificate is valid?
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We demand he turn it over to MoveOn.com for examination by their very unbiased experts.
For that matter, who knows that the baby born to the McCain family, - wasn't swapped for some other baby?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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But supposing, just for idle argumentation, that McCain did submit valid proof, - but scurilous personages like myself refused to accept it?
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Not because we really doubted, just s in the hopes that something might come of the doubt?
What an awful imagination I have.
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Goppy1 year ago
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I saw that, BB.
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But my fellow Christian Conservatives do not consider MSNBC to be mainstream.
They MOCK MSNBC.
They consider ABC, CBS, and NBC to be Mainstream Media.
To my fellow Christian Conservatives, it breaks down this way ...
NPR ... Commie Pinkos trying to bring Fidel Casto to the presidency.
CNN ... Clinton News Network.
ABC ... Extremist Left ... promoting Socialism
NBC ... Extremists trying to undermine our social order.
CBS ... The Dan Rather network.
MSNBC ... Comprised of extremists who were not extremist enough for NBC.
ALL Newspapers ... A Vast Left Wing conspiracy.
---- by comparison ---- my fellow Christian Conservatives view these outlets as 'fringe', not embraced by the general public ... but that they approve of.....
FOX ... News that makes my fellow Christian Conservatives smile
SBC ... News that raises my fellow Christian Conservatives to action against 'Libs'.
Talk Radio ... the ONLY repository for Truth in America. Where Christian Conservatives go to get their points of view, talking points, and world view.
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Thanks Goppy,
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May the good Lord, in His wisdome and mercy, protect and preserve me from the likes of you. Politics and religion have no business with each other! To quote a book you claim to revere....Render unto Ceaser, what is Ceaser's and unto God what is Gods, a clear declaration that Church and State are separate issues! Put that thought in your so called Christian pipe, and smoke it!
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Poor Goppy does not know the federal law about naturalization. At the time for both men the law was that if both parents were US citizens and at least one of them lived in the US for 5 years after the birth the child was automatically a natural born citizen. The law was changed after that time to make it only one parent but that was not the law at that time.
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With McCain it did not matter where he was born.
With Obama it is extremely important.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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elucidate thyself!
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Just keep it up PC25, you are giving every nutcase terrorist in the world cause to celebrate because you try your damndest to keep our country divided. They don't even need to attack us anymore because people like you are eating us up from the inside out!
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Goppy1 year ago
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BTW pc25 ...
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I really do wonder why questions about John McCain never seemed to reach the Mainstream Media. It's like MSM was 'covering' for John.
Or maybe, MSM recognized that the issue was so bogus ... they didn't want to look stupid.
After all, John wasn't born on American soil.
Some newspapers covered the John McCain story.
Give a listen to an exchange in a Washington Post story:
"If the Arizonan's candidacy is ever seriously challenged in court, McCain and the he-can-be-president forces do appear to have one important ally in the immigration policy world: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff."
"At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last week, panel Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) asked Chertoff whether he had any question that McCain could be president."
"My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen," Chertoff answered."
"That is mine, too," said Leahy."
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So ... the director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff - believes that if you were born of American parents, you are a natural-born American citizen.
Still ... why didn't Mainstream Media allow Americans in on this McCain question?
To what lengths was MSM willing to go to prevent Americans from knowing the 'TRUTH' about the controversy surrounding Mccain?
I mean ... MICHAEL CHERTOFF was investigating John McCain to see if he was eligible to run for President!!
The Director of Homeland Security was INVESTIGATING John McCain!
Why didn't MSM report on this?
My fellow Christian Conservatives and I sense a real conspiracy between MSM and the RNC.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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MSM reports the questions regarding McCain's birth certificate:
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Are you drunk? This came from the article I posted above:
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"At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president. "
The article discusses precisely what you say it doesn't. And as far as the rest of your comment - who said I was questioning anyone's citizenship? I think Obama is an American. I am simply questioning Goppy's assertion that the MSM had avoided the subject.-
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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I don't care that you have used all caps at the end. You are still incorrect about what the intent of that article is.
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FTA that I posted:
"Imagine what would happen if the courts were to overturn an election simply based on eligibility. It would be a disaster. After what happened in 2000, people would completely lose faith in the electoral process."
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Work on this:
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FTA - "Duggin, the constitutional law scholar, said the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States.
According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status."
You above - "Sorry, but the post wasn't questioning his citizenship, unlike most of you and your buddies posts here on propeller."
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bruhaha1 year ago
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You are twisting the article around. THe article is just trying to discuss the claims (bogus claims as far as I'm concerned) by several individuals against McCain. It is not, no matter how you try to spin it, advocating that McCain should be/is ineligible to be president. I read the article word for word. There is no comparison with this article and those articles posted by KarlyC, RedTomato, AG, etc. claiming that Obama was/is not eligible.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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I haven't figured out yet if you are artfully lying or if you are just being difficult.
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Here's the headline of the article that pc25 posted:
"Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy"
Here's the headline of the article that I posted;
"McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate - His eligibility for Presidency is Questioned"
Comparing the two articles, they are very similar in nature.
Since this thread is based on pc25's submission, why are you bringing up other stories by karly, etc.?
I brought up the McCain story to prove to Goppy that the MSM had been floating their version of this turd since he was trying to make it look like only extremists on one side was playing this game.
Taking it further, if McCain had won, there would be these stories on Propeller posted by some of the liberal extremists on here.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Thanks for the neg, Goppy. As I have explained to you before, I know it is your only defense to my audacity filled reason.
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Check this out. It's a story from months ago on Propeller that discusses the eligibility of McCain to run for President.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/02/28/is-john-...
Looks like bruhaha voted for that story. That makes me go hahaha. Check now to see if I voted for this story.
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bruhaha1 year ago
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For one thing. I'm not even sure why I voted for that article. Probably voted for it without even reading it? Hell, I can't even go back and read what it said. Go back and look through my comments. Have I ever actually said anything claiming that McCain was not eligible for president? No, I have not.
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Yes, the articles are similar in that they discuss a case. Most of the articles here on propeller, dealing with Obama's eligibility, that has not been the case.
My comments were mainly in response to your response to goppy as well as goppy's comments, not the article...if you can't figure that out on your own....that's not my problem.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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More of the MSM's reporting on McCain's birth certificate was highlighted in this article:
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http://newsbusters.org/forums/latest-news/q-panama...
It says that in addition to the WAPO's edition, it was also mentioned in the following MSM outlets - NY Times, CBS, WSJ, International Herald Tribune, The Dallas News, AP and others. That crazy MSM seemed pretty petty about the whole deal.
There were at least two suits filed about McCain's eligibility.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It takes a simple web search to find what the law of naturalization is. Why don't you make that search Goppy and stop spewing this nonsense. It would be very obvious why nobody has looked at McCain's citizenship status. Both parents US citizens and lived in the US for many years after the birth. That fact and the law stops any speculation dead in its tracks. But poor Goppy can't do that.
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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another story kepy under wraps by the MSM
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http://www.politickerca.com/benvandermeer/3211/ala...
Alan Keyes files suit over Obama citizenship question
Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of his American Independent Party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama.
The suit contends that Secretary of State Debra Bowen and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger shouldn't be allowed to certify last week's election results for electors until Obama or his supporters provide proof of his natural-born citizenship in the United States.-
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StevieGee1 year ago
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The great Stevini predicts the future.
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1. The Supreme Court refuses to hear the case stating the bogusness of it all.
2. pc25 blames "liberal justices" and still claims that Obama's Mother forged his birth cert at birth and posted fraudulent birth announcements in the paper just in case he decides to run for President some day.
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mesodude1 year ago
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Like I said elsewhere, if people pushing this manure were stung with a major lawsuit just once, permanently bankrupted and forced to pay restitution (preferably while wearing leg irons), we'd see the end of lying trolls in a heartbeat. Some people don't realize how destructive they are until the law steps in, slaps them upside the head and depletes their bank accounts.
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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as the Philadelphia Bulletin so aptly put it........
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Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy
Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.
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According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.
Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject.
Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.
A LOOMING CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS................
the MSM never did their due dilligence in vetting this guy, and the possibility that he is not even a citizen, but they could dig a distant DWI convictions on President Bush.-
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Dionys1 year, 1 month ago
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"Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy "
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agoodlibertian1 year ago
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"as the Philadelphia Bulletin so aptly put it." Uh, Moron, the Philadelphia Bulletin has been put of print for years at least twenty if not more. More bs from republicans.
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4thchance1 year ago
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I have always said, all the Left Wing Media BS and their constant covering up and protecting Obama and most all democrats will someday come back to BITE. Well, the rabid dog may have arrived now, he maybe biting soon! In otherwords, if the mainstream media would have done their jobs, then this would have been resolved long ago. Long before, it's like to LATE now, this will make the biggest mess this country has ever seen!
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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You need to do YOUR homework. He HAS provided the original. To multiple sources. The extreme right-wingers just want to keep the lies going because that's all they have left. Full rez photos of the certificate here:
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Actually it looks like the grand old party got schooled by some 8 million votes. Much more of a mandate than the margin of victory by President Bush in 2004. How many Senate and House seat did the Republican loose?
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Bacalao1 year ago
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What i think is funny is that if Obama gets disqualified then McCain gets disqualified too. And the we would the have by default President Ralph Nader. Wouldn't that just be hilarious.
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BTW if congress can RETROACTIVELY make McCain a natural born citizen, they could, if necessary, do the same for Obama.
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Painesright1 year, 1 month ago
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This video is a must see... Obama Forgery Exposed?
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You decide:
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Tangent0011 year ago
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This Dr. Polarik obviously is no 'expert' in digital imagery, nor does he pay much attention to detail. Toward the end, he claims FactCheck and the Obama campaign colluded to create forged photographs of the BC. He says the seal was a 2008 version, the signature is 2008 but the border of the document is from 2007. Well guess what, the signature is in fact 2007 and I have no idea what he means about the state seal being from 2008. State embossing seals do not change yearly.
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pc251 year, 1 month ago
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/21368...
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Polarik's final report: Obama's 'Born' Conspiracy
Forged images, phony photos, and felony fraud
By Ron Polarik, PhD
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Wolfie20071 year, 1 month ago
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At one time or another in all of our lives we, citizens of the United States, are required to produce a certified copy of our birth certificate so what's the big deal. I do believe it is not unreasonable to ask Obama to produce and show his. His very reticence in doing so is unbelievably odd and hard to explain.
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Goppy1 year, 1 month ago
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It's not really so hard to explain, Wolfie.
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Think about it this way.
Let's pretend for a moment that you are a normal, patriotic citizen who was just elected to an esteemed governmental position.
(This is in contrast to what we all know and love about you ... that you are a whacked out, far, far, right wing extremist with no love for democracy.)
Now, lets say, some extremist LEFT wing Communist organization DEMANDED that you PROVE you are a citizen.
A 'NORMAL', patriotic American wouldn't bother to give these Left Wing Extremists the time of day. Doing so would only grant them ... and their hatred for our values ... an opportunity to grand stand.
See?
You and pc25 are the FLIP side of the Extremist Left Wing Communists.
Do you get the analogy now that I've shown the situation from the other extreme?
Patriotic Americans ... those who love the process of democracy ... have put the results of the election behind them ... accepted it ... and are wishing the best for our new Commander in Chief ... our President ... Barack Obama.
People who DESPISE our nation and our Government ... seek ways to undermine his mandate.
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LightofReason1 year ago
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There is still no evidence Bush was ever legally elected, twit. The stay the SCOTUS granted to stop the recount was forbidden by US law: 28 U.S.C. § 2283. The finding Bush would suffer irreparable cognized a right to a candidate contrary to 200+ years of voting law, that an election is the property of voters not any candidate. Two, the very circumstances precluded a finding of an equal protection violation, since invoking the EP clause requires parties to be similarly situated where in FL there counted ballots, uncounted undervotes and uncounted overvotes all processed by 4 different ballot counting systems. The NORC recount showed Gore won FL by every legal standard whether recounting only the undervotes by slim margins or by including the overvotes where Gore won around 40,000. GOP Duval county, alone produced 22,000 overvotes because of an illegally worded ballot. Statewide there were some 80,000 overvotes that were actually legal votes. Machines counted every double vote as a void overvote but ballots marked and written in for the same set of electors are legal votes under FL law. 3/4 of the 80,000 were for Gore creating the 40,000 margin.
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In 2004, computer fraud alone shifted 5 million Kerry votes to Bush. THe odds Bush actually won on 2004 are 1 in 970,000 based on the shifts from the exit polls. THe fact there were no shifts beyond the small margin of error (0.2%) in states that did not used computer vote tallying systems, scientifically proved, the problem was the computer systems (fraud) and not the methodolgy of the exit polls which all more accurate than any voting system to date. -
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Bush earned our scorn through his ACTIONS! Obama isn't even president yet and has made no official ACTIONS and you have already condemned him.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Let me remind you once again that after 9-11 President Bush had unprecidented support from both sides of the isle. When he morphed the legitimate effort to capture of kill those responsible for the attack that day into the PNAC agenda driven invasion and occupation of an oil rich Arab nation that had nothing to do with those attacks is when his support began to dwindle. He now deserves every negative rating possible for engaging in war profiteering.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Oh, alright, then: djn3nunez5 .
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And an Admiralcy too.
Admiral djn3nunez5 , but don't tell anyone else or they will want one too.-
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oneironaut4201 year ago
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"Let me remind you once again that after 9-11 President Bush had unprecidented support from both sides of the isle. When he morphed the legitimate effort to capture of kill those responsible for the attack that day into the PNAC agenda driven invasion and occupation of an oil rich Arab nation that had nothing to do with those attacks is when his support began to dwindle. He now deserves every negative rating possible for engaging in war profiteering."
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Indeed, very well said. Three cheers to djn! 8)
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GehlLady1 year ago
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I agree captgeo, but I'd rather this issue just went away. With the state of the economy and 2 wars, I just want it done. No more weakness and uncertainty than absolutely neccessary.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Goppy,
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It's no secret I did not support Obama before the election, and I have a lot of the same doubts now that I had then. BUT
I agree with Klarissa, for this to come out now would be sickening. This country does not need the kind of situation that would arise out of this. Mr. Obama is the President-Elect. We need a smooth transition, not more uncertainty.
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"A 'NORMAL', patriotic American wouldn't bother to give these Left Wing Extremists the time of day. Doing so would only grant them ... and their hatred for our values ... an opportunity to grand stand"
BS! He works for us, all of us. The extreme right/left, and in between. The rest of the nation is required (supposedly) to prove citizenship. It is odd he spent money on lawyers to take the time to fight the lawsuit instead of being proud to show his birth certificate and ending the controversy. Some say he has shown it, OK, the lawsuits will be thrown out. But he does not get to blow off any of the people of these United States.
"seek ways to undermine his mandate".
Again, we all get a voice, and if we don't agree with his mandate, it is our duty to the country we love to fight our government.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Yes, a CERTIFIED copy. That is NOT the original with a raised seal, etc. IT IS CERTIFIED BY THE STATE WHERE YOU WERE BORN. That is ALL we are required to have and should be all Obama is required to show. BUT NO! You extreme righties want the original article which is rarely if ever produced because if it is lost, there is big trouble for the person involved.
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bigG1 year ago
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There is no requirement for him to do so, and I highly suspect that wouldn't satisfy people of your ilk anyway.
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Dionys1 year ago
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He has a passport. He's traveled to foreign countries on his US passport previous to being an elected anything. In order to have a passport, your birth records and citizenship have to be established and confirmed by the State Department (you know -- the people who determine citizenship and give out passports).
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In order to have a diplomatic passport or official government passport such as a senator would have, the process becomes more complex and there are investigations and vetting done by the FBI among other intelligence agencies.
Security clearances and elected officials are complex. He wouldn't have to be vetted as an elected Senator or as President-elect. But you can be sure that he was well vetted before running for either of those positions by the intelligence agencies the moment his name turned up as a candidate.
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GehlLady1 year ago
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Dionys,
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No, I'm not stupid. I assumed much of what you say the process is, but I was not sure, hence the question of who would have done the background checks. As you say, the issue can be complex.
TFL, as usual, nothing more from you than piling on. Even those that have different viewpoints than I, and aren't always kind in the way they explain the information and their thought processes, are worth reading to me because they contain information.-
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Jeboba1 year ago
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He has shown it. Repeatedly. People have touched it, examined it, IT IS REAL! BUT Rush and Sean and O'Reilly and PC25 and Klarissa say it's not real so you believe THEM rather than all of the LEGITIMATE sources?
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You people are so clueless and hopeless that it is truly sad.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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""There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
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Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said."
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texasgal776621 year, 1 month ago
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Now wouldn't it be a hoot if it turned out that Obama was not a legal American citizen. Would that mean that if he wasn't eligible to run for president, that Obama would be disqualified and so would Joe Biden. SO, would that mean John McCain would win by default? Or would we have to completely do-over the whole election process with Hillary running against McCain? You would think the question of Mr. Obama's citizenship should have been completely verified by the media BEFORE they worked so hard to get him elected. It would be a royal mess if Mr. Obama turns out to not be a legal citizen. Our country would look like a bunch of IDIOTS.
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nostalgia1 year ago
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I'm not certain that is true
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The line of succession is for presidents who are in office and removed for some reason
I don't think there is anything about what happens if a president elect is prevented from taking office due to fraud
In the normal line of succession the VP becomes president
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ETproductions1 year ago
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I'm pretty sure that if Obama were disqualified, Joe Biden would become President and would then appoint someone to serve as Vice President in his stead. But this nonsense about a phony birth certificate has already been beaten to oblivion. It's a dead horse. His birth certificate is legit and shows he was born in Hawaii. Watch what the SCOTUS determines.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Our country would look like a bunch of IDIOTS
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You mean again?
Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
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Obama's American: Believe it:
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Teech1 year, 1 month ago
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For the past eight years, just when you thought Dumbya couldn't possibly be any worse, he'd outdo himself one more time!
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And with the election over, just when you thought the right wing, nutjob, neocons on Propeller couldn't possibly be sicker, sadder, more delusional, more pitiful and more pathetic - they outdo themselves...one more time !!!
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JamesMarcus1 year ago
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Actually, all the arithmetic about how long his mother lived in the U.S. is irrelevant. Those requirements apply to children born outside the country. On the other hand, the Fourteenth Amendment states:
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Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Obama was born in Hawaii. If that's not the case, can somebody please explain to me why that birth announcement would have run in the Honolulu paper?
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artist71121 year ago
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If Obama wanted to clear this up before the U.S. Supreme Court on December 1st, he would of done so already. He does not have a U.S. birth certificate nor does he have citizenship in the U.S. He was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia. Obama is not qualified to be President of the U.S. The U.S. Constitution must be upheld from foreigners who have interests in other countries. That is why Obama will create a Constitutional Crisis if he is elected by the electoral college on December 15th. Why is Obama letting this go on so long? It is to make a mockery of our U.S. Constitution. Visit www.obamacrimes.com
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bubblankatt1 year ago
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Just what planet are you on? Or maybe I should ask what drug? To consider a website set up by who knows, called www.obamacrimes.com as a valid sourse of information indicates an IQ about equal to a shoe size! Good Grief! What next? Little green men in the cabinet?
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jakesguile1 year ago
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NO big, NO, NOT a midget..... stupid people might get confused by 1/2 and think it's 12... and that'd be dashing their hope of getting into Moronsa (only those with IQ's between 12 and Bush need apply). Moronsa is a product of Mensa's Mensa-Outreach program to the Special population.
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captgeobob-671 year ago
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What Obama not born in the U.S? Maybe that's why he won't release his school records, original birth certificate, etc. Could it be that Obama has been lying to us all along? OMG! It can't be true, the messiah lying? Oh, no, does this mean I won't get my check for my $500,000.00 home or my payment for my bmw? Oh, I am going straight to Nancy and Harry and demand my bailout! No one is going to question a few million when they are handing out the money that those silly taxpayers pay.
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artist71121 year ago
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If Obama wanted to clear this up he would of done so already, through the U.S. Supreme Court on December 1st. He does not have a U.S. birth certificate nor is he a U.S. citizen. He is not qualified to be President of the U.S. He was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia. The U.S. Supreme Court will uphold the U.S. Constitution from foreigners who were not natural born citizens to govern as President in the U.S. Why is Obama making a mockery of our U.S. Constitution? Because he thinks he can get away with it!
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Can we say President Joe Biden and Vice President Sarah Palin?
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pburgrunner1 year ago
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You know I sure hope that the supreme court hear this case. I have never heard such a sore bunch of loser as the republicans. I don't care what happens. I will not vote for a group of winey bunch of cry babies. I can't wait for this election to be over with. I've never seen such a think in my 58yrs of voting. It's sad
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NoWayMan1 year ago
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“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” Hawaii Department of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, when asked by the St. Petersburg Times about Obama's birth certificate in June of this year.
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Dennis2421 year ago
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I'm listening to George Noory, on "Coast to Coast," right now. They're painfully trying to explain why, and how, it's ok, if O'bama wasn't born in America. So what, if it happens that he born in Kenya, instead of Hawaii? They're insisting that it's no big deal, if most Americans want him, it's ok.
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Is this "still America?"
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Dennis2421 year ago
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I'm listening to George Noory, on "Coast to Coast," right now. They're painfully trying to explain why, and how, it's ok, if O'bama wasn't born in America. So what, if it happens that he born in Kenya, instead of Hawaii? They're insisting that it's no big deal, if most Americans want him, it's ok.
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Dennis2421 year ago
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This is a very major story, we all have something at stake in this case. How can you say "your agenda"
What happens if the SC says BO is not a citizen? Bush remains president until a run off election can be held?? Or does Biden become President?
That is pretty big news.
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There's a much scarier story in the news, if you care to read it. Take a look at gun sales, since the O'bama nomination. Someone's "Arming up," in a big way. I work where guns, and weapons are bought, and sold. The count of purchases, and inquiries are mounting, highly, quickly. There is a Dark undercurrent of foreboding danger. Dare to take a look.
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memestryker1 year ago
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The reason gun sales are brisk is because Obama has a history of supporting gun bans. He served on the board of an organization that funds many gun ban organizations in the U.S. and he failed to join the majority of congress in backing the citizens in the second amendment hearing at the SCOTUS.
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Increased gun sales occur whenever a gun-banner gets into office. No darkness, surprise, or news. Just people who see their constitutional rights potentially slipping away.-
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Dennis2421 year ago
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This is a very major story, we all have something at stake in this case. How can you say "your agenda"
What happens if the SC says BO is not a citizen? Bush remains president until a run off election can be held?? Or does Biden become President?
That is pretty big news.
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There's a much scarier story in the news, if you care to read it. Take a look at gun sales, since the O'bama nomination. Someone's "Arming up," in a big way. I work where guns, and weapons are bought, and sold. The count of purchases, and inquiries are mounting, highly, quickly. There is a Dark undercurrent of foreboding danger. Dare to take a look.
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Dennis2421 year ago
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“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” Hawaii Department of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, when asked by the St. Petersburg Times about Obama's birth certificate in June of this year.
keep checking the scoreboard, stupid cons.
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I haven't heard the "Fat Lady" sing, yet. So, it's not, necessarily over. Wouldn't it be deserved justice, if the candidate who forced several others off the ballot, with shifty legal procedures, gets shown to be ineligible for the American Presidency? I'm standing by, with bated breath. As Yogi Berra said, it ain't over, til it's over.
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LightofReason1 year ago
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ALL Petitions to the Supreme Court, with the exception of emergency stays, are reviewed in the Monday conferences. This has nothing to do with the merits of the petition. The SCOTUS only grants 120-130 petitions per year out of over 7000 petitions. First, the SCOTUS examines whether it has jurisdiction to hear the case, second they look whether there is a significant question of LAW, either common or federal but not state. 4 of the 9 must vote to hear the petition in the first place. This petition presents no issue of law to justify exercise of jurisdiction, the petition presents a pure fact question, thus there is no grounds for granting Writ of Certiorari to have a hearing on the merits.
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Course the SCOTUS has broken or ignored the Constitution several times: Hans v. Louisiana, Bush v. Gore, the recent 2nd Amendment case, and Hartwicke, are just off the top of my head. The Rehnquist Court was the worst in U.S. history, and the Roberts court is on track to be worse.
Artist: Obama was born to a U.S.citizen, he did not have to be born in the U.S. to qualify. By your silly interpretation, the children born overseas (U.S. bases are not U.S. territory), of U.S. service persons, could never be President. There is no doubt he was living in the U.S. when he became an adult and choose to stay here, attending college and law school. His mother could not renounce by her actions, his right to U.S. citizenship for him. As the Gov. of Hawaii pointed out, Obama's birth certificate is being treated like any other, Obama has likely produced state certified copies to APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS, for numerous reasons from getting a driver's license, college admittance, getting a law license, to his several candidacies for office. When Obama ran for the Senate, he had to prove his citizenship and the Gov. of Illinois was a Republican then. McCain, himself was not born on U.S. soil. His father (with wife) was stationed in the Canal Zone at the time, I have read. -
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Dennis2421 year ago
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It's not really so hard to explain, Wolfie.
Think about it this way.
Let's pretend for a moment that you are a normal, patriotic citizen who was just elected to an esteemed governmental position.
(This is in contrast to what we all know and love about you ... that you are a whacked out, far, far, right wing extremist with no love for democracy.)
Now, lets say, some extremist LEFT wing Communist organization DEMANDED that you PROVE you are a citizen.
A 'NORMAL', patriotic American wouldn't bother to give these Left Wing Extremists the time of day. Doing so would only grant them ... and their hatred for our values ... an opportunity to grand stand.
See?
You and pc25 are the FLIP side of the Extremist Left Wing Communists.
Do you get the analogy now that I've shown the situation from the other extreme?
Patriotic Americans ... those who love the process of democracy ... have put the results of the election behind them ... accepted it ... and are wishing the best for our new Commander in Chief ... our President ... Barack Obama.
People who DESPISE our nation and our Government ... seek ways to undermine his mandate.
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So, you're saying that the US Supreme Court is part of this Conspiracy, to deny Barrack O'bama his rightful place in history, whether right, or wrong?? Why are they conferencing on Friday? Do you think they enjoy wasting their time?
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LightofReason1 year ago
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Having a petition discussed in conference is SOP for the SCOTUS, it has nothing to do with the petition's merits. Every petition sent to the SCOTUS except emergency ones are handled this way. In conference the jurisdiction and importance of the question raised are put to a vote. Less than 2% of all petitions get the 4 votes necessary to be heard. The man's fears Obama birth certicate is invalid does not give him standing in a US court to sue, and that is the question before the SCOTUS not the validity of the certicate. That is a trial court issue, the trial court never could reach, for lack of a real controversy, See Article 3 U.S. Constitution.
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Obama to get his name on each state's ballot had to produce certified copies of his birth certicate to the Secretary of State of each of the 50 states!
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
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Yes when it's proven, could they just shut the hell up then? or are they going to just keep digging and whining...yeah, unfortunately I'm sure they'll just keep digging and whining while they should be busy doing their part to heal the country, our gov alone is not going to do that no matter how much faith anyone has in a president, we all have to do our part as well. there's always going to be a percentage of people occupying their life with whining, if it's not one thing it's another. Proof will not matter.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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"At least now we'll have the final word..."
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No. As noted earlier, in all likelihood the SCOTUS will not find sufficient reason to hear the case, so in the minds of the whackadoos it will remain 'in question'. Even if the SCOTUS heard the case and confirmed Obama's citizenship, there would still be howls of a 'Liberal Court' or a decision based on political machinations, threats, extortion, etc. I have already heard claims that the State of Hawai'i is/was complicit in the whole-cloth forgery of the original 'vault version' birth certificate.
It never stops with these folks.
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LightofReason1 year ago
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Dummies The SCOTUS at best can only remand the case to the trial court that tossed it. Since the trial court never got to the issue of whether Obama's birth certificate is valid, they cannot. They only have appellate jurisdiction, the question they solely face is whether a private citizen has the right to special due process (standing) to have proven to his personal satisfaction allaying his paranoid fears that Obama's birth certicate is valid. The guy's petition is without merit, he has no standing to request a court to order Obama to prove his citizenship. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. Constitution controls the merits issue as Hawaii officials have certified they have a valid original certificate, cased CLOSED.
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cushi1 year ago
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THANK YOU!! And I wish every ass hole who brings frivolous lawsuits like this before the courts gets fined grievously and even be given some jail time! At a critical time like this, with all the sh it going on all around us and the country in the worst financial crisis it's been in in years, these ignorant, obstinate, biased buffoons STILL want to squander taxpayers resources with this utter nonsense and tripe! I hope they get handed their heads and the book thrown at them!
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ATTENTION NEOCLOWNS: GET A LIFE AND A CONSCIENCE! STOP HIDING YOUR PREJUDICES AND DISTORTED IDEOLOGIES BEHIND BOGUS ACCUSATIONS, THEREBY PUTTING THE COUNTRY YOU CLAIM TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO IN FURTHER JEOPARDY! IT'S DISGUSTING. -
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bamasupporter1 year ago
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ALOHA TO ALL!
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PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA IS A CITIZEN OF UNITED STATES. HE WAS BORN AT KAPIOLANI CHILDRENS HOSPITAL IN HONOLULU, HAWAII. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OF THE STATE OF HAWAII ISSUED AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION THAT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS VALID. I WAS ALSO BORN IN HONOLULU HAWAII. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS HAWAII DO NOT ISSUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. INSTEAD, THEY WILL PRINT YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE BASED ON THE ARCHIVED INFORMATION ABOUR YOUR BIRTH, PARENTS, DATE, PLACE AND A FILE NUMBER. IT'S PRINTED ON A YELLOW GREEN SECURED, WATERMARK PAPER, WITH BORDERS. ALSO, THERE IS AND AS ALWAYS, EMBOSSED, RAISED SEAL OF THE STATE OF HAWAII, WITH THE SIGNATURE OF THE VITAL STATISTICS REGISTRAR.
THE REASON I KNOW THIS, IS BECAUSE I JUST SECURED COPY OF MY OWN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE BEING PRINTED.
PLEASE NOTE TOO THAT EVERY STATE HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS AND FORMAT IN ISSUING BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
SO FOR IGNORANT PEOPLE- PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA IS AN AMERICAN, A UNITED STATES CITIZEN.
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chevydog1 year ago
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Makes very little sense to me also. Personally, I've stayed out of this because it seems so loopy. From what I know of citizenship law, (1) anyone born on US territory is a citizen; and (2) anyone born to an American mother is a citizen, regardless of where born. Some other nations track citizenship by the nationality of the father --not sure whether there's any rhyme or reason for either our practice or theirs, except maybe tradition. But I do know that this issue complicated getting children of US GIs and Vietnamese mothers back to the US after that war. Vietnam contended that they were US citizens; and the US contended that they were Vietnamese citizens.
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nostalgia1 year ago
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Here's some additional information:
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Justice Thomas distributes Obama case for conference
On Wednesday, Nov. 19, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas distributed Leo C. Denofrio’s renewed application for a stay of the election for conference on Dec. 5.
If four of the nine justices favor review, a hearing will be scheduled.
His first application was denied by Justice David Souter on Nov. 6. However, rules of the court allow for the renewed submission to a justice of choice.
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normallysilent1 year ago
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Obama once made a comment along the line of how he was embarrassed about Americans only knowing one language. It was when he said our children should learn Spanish instead of illegals learning our language.
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With this in mind. How do you think your messiah Obama feels about people like yourself which cant quite get a grasp on even One language.-
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Dionys1 year ago
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"Obama once made a comment along the line of how he was embarrassed about Americans only knowing one language."
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It *is* embarassing. As someone who speaks three languages and who has traveled the world I can assure you that most countries, especially 'first-world' superpowers, encourage their people to learn multiple languages and often lambast the US for being ignorant and isolationist.
But then that's what America stands for as evidenced by this article -- willful, intentional, prideful ignorance with an anti-intellectual stance.
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markgr82nz1 year ago
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chevydog1 year ago
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You know normally, I have three children who are naturalized citizens. They've lived here almost all of their lives and are every inch as Amercan as I am; except that they were born in Korea. If, heaven forbid, some sort of trouble broke out between the US and North Korea (or perhaps even China) and public opinion becomes inflamed, do you really think a piece of paper will protect them? I'd like to think so; this is the US after all. I've got alot psychologically invested in it living by law. But deep in my gut is this little fear that doing everything the way you're supposed to may not under the right circumstances be enough to protect. It's not something I lose sleep over; but it won't go away either.
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The vibes in this particular situation run pretty much the same. Kind of think that no proof will suffice for some people if they're determined to believe otherwise. I didn't vote for Obama; didn't think he was the best choice. But the election is over; what's done is done. In my working career, I was paid to think for myself; but at some point, one has to rely on other people. If I ever need a birth certificate (haven't to date, to my remembrance), I know I can get one from Vital Statistics back in my birth state of PA. If, for whatever reason, they chose to issue a letter to someone saying "Yes, he was born where and when he said", I'd expect that someone to believe them. And be d*mned upset if they didn't. This whole situation smells bad to me as far as having honorable intentions. -
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TinMnHrt1 year ago
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I have a beautiful, intelligent and educated liberal-minded step-daughter who only who just 2 days ago heard of this controversy for the first time. "But it's just Not True!!!" was her only comment. No investigation, no checking anyone's sources, no personal interest in finding out anything for oneself. The greatest danger in a free society is to Trust what you're told to believe. If Obama IS a nationally born citizen, it's very easy to prove. Why spend $500,000 to keep an actual, original birth certificate from the public eye? He should be Proud of his American Heritage. Come on, President Elect,,,we're all counting on You.
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Goppy1 year ago
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I would have been okay with Obama showing his Birth Certificate during the campaign .... .... .... as long as John McCain had to show HIS Birth Certificate as well.
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After all, Johnny was born OUTSIDE the boundaries of the Panama Canal Zone.
If paranoiacs on the right can use the issue of being born outside the US to inflame angst against Obama ... the same issue should apply to McCain.
All things being fair.
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Goppy1 year ago
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How do we know it's real?
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After all, they may not have even requested one, given that his dad's an Admiral.
We need to see it.
We citizens demand to know why he's not showing it to us!
I smell a cover-up of grand proportions. And this Obama Birth Certificate is all contrived to keep us from realizing that John McCain has NEVER been a citizen.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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and what does that prove? There are tens of thousands of non american citizens serving in our military! Obviously they weren't born here and were not made to prove anything when they signed up.
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Haven't you seen the Citizenship ceremonies on TV where a lot of American Military troops are sworn?
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CajunChamp1 year ago
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Ok, let me be a bit more specific. To join the "Military" in general all you have to be is legal immigrant but to re-enlist you MUST be a "Citizen" of the U.S. To be a Navy pilot you MUST be a "Citizen" of the U.S. Therefore my original statement was correct regarding McCain.
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Albmore1 year ago
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First of all, DEMS. It seems to me you are somewhat sore winners. Anything that reps bring up that is not in your interest is wrong. Well if the fact is the Obama is not a natural born citizen then the constitution hust be upheld. I personnally not being a Obama supporter, nor republican hopes this is not the fact.
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Light of reason- I understand your logic, and do not disagree with you totally, BUT you do have a small mistake in your text. Having a mother or father that is American does qualify you for American citizenship. Unless though they are military or diplomatic personnel, and you are born while they are serving on a miltary instalation overses or in an American consulat it does not qualify you as a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN which is the qualification the constitution requires. -
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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No.
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Not good enough.
You sound reasonable, Albamore, - but reasonable examination long ago concluded:
Obama is a citizen.
He has a US birth certificate.
The certificate has been shown and verified.
Those who bring us this thread do so with a clear goal; to cast doubt.
They can accomplish that without actualy proving anything .
And that would be a victory, by their interpretation.
We will not give them that
Those who doubt Obama's Citizenship, in the face of all evidence,
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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You're welcome, ET. Some of the Libs and Cons need to exercise their funny bones a little more. Thanks for your message of understanding.
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I was serious about the belly button, though. Here's a picture that proves it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/22/karolina-...
Don't be fooled by the beautiful blonde. That was before he donned the Obama anti-alien suit.
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flyonthewallzz1 year ago
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Hmm... you got me thinking Love.
Why would Adam and Eve have a belly button?
Sorry I can not help myself there is a little gallery following:
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saneman1 year ago
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Folks, don't get your panties in a bind. Nearly 8,000 cases are sent to the US Supreme Court each year. The U.S. Supreme Court agrees to hear only about 100 to 150 of those 8,000 cases. In other words, most people routinely ask the US Supreme Court to hear their cases but are mostly denied.
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Georgia501 year ago
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Wow. First comment I ever had removed as spam. Not sure what brought that on...maybe the links I used.
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Any old way, you can all google yourselves to an article about Obama operatives arguing against Article II as early as 2006. Google Sarah P. Herlihy, author of such a paper, from Obama's old law firm I believe.
I bring this up not because it adds merit to the arguments of Obama detractors, but rather because it shows how Obama's circle of friends has contributed to this controversy.
Having seen on a web site the photocopy of Obama's birth announcement (as it was published back in 1961), it's a settled issue for me. I found it on a pro-Hillary blog, and it identified Obama's parents. While it's not too far-fetched to report a remote birth in the home newspaper, it's far more likely that the hospital simply forwarded its birth registry to the newspaper for publication. Mind you, this announcement was painstakingly dug up by Hillary supporters looking for an easy way to derail the Obama campaign on a technicality.
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Georgia501 year ago
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Thank you, Jeboba.
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What can I say? We are a zealous lot. I looked into this back in October, found the 1961 newspaper clipping, closed the book and never looked back. Wrong battle, wrong time.
Obama is and ought to be our next president. He's a superb communicator, organizer, and god knows is well on the way to p-ssing off the far left with his cabinet appointments. What we all need is a successful President Obama (though of course we all define success differently).
All I can say to my fellow conservatives and Republicans is this: you lose nothing by supporting--as Americans--our next president. Trying to diminish Obama's victory is simply bad form. (sorry...no sermon intended...just telling you how I look at it)-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Yow!
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Well said.
And as a far-left pinko, I will even give out a party secret:
- it will scare us Obama supporters a lot more when republicans focus on serious stuff and drop this kind of late-night talk-radio stuff.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Georgia,
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Once again, you are a beacon of sanity among the right. But look how many negs your right wing buddies have given you! The cons are eating their own now.
Sad. Anyway, thanks Georgia. True, correct, and well thought out comments.
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Hhussk1 year ago
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I'm not as "emotional" about this topic as most of you guys are.
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It's fairly simple.
1. The Constitution requires the President to be born in this country.
2. Provide proof if you're going to be President.
The Constitution requires us to challenge the authority of our government; many people have been doing this for the last 8 years vehemently. There is nothing wrong by asking for the President to provide proof...at least, not according to the Constitution.
I'm amused. President-elect Obama could simply provide the original document and make his detractors look like fools. Dragging this out in court will not create a favorable outcome for his administration.
Do you understand? There are 3 possible outcomes:
1. Obama provides the originals(proof). The people who disputed him are embarassed and shut down.
2. Obama provides the originals, but it turns out he is not a citizen. The country gets into a big heated debate and everything turns over.
3. Obama does not provide his documentation. Four the next four years, any person that wants to can call illegitimacy to his candidacy.-
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Goppy1 year ago
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You may not be 'emotional', but that certainly hasn't helped your objectivity.
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1. John McCain was not born in this country. He was born in a hospital outside the boundaries of the Canal Zone.
Therefore, McCain was born in a foreign territory.
John McCain has NEVER shown me his Birth Certificate.
Therefore, using YOUR 'un-emotional' assessment ... Republicans Broke the Law by fielding John McCain as a Presidential Candidate.
This would make the McCain campaign illegal ... again ... using YOUR argument.
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Georgia501 year ago
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Hhussk,
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I voted for McCain and would do so again. But I'd like to point out a 4th scenario.
4. Obama was born in Hawaii, but as a Muslim, his father insisted on providing the family with a Kenyan birth certificate. Under Kenyan law this document would have identified Barry as a Muslim of Kenyan birth. Obama, wanting to avoid a gut-wrenching national controversy not of his own making, and not representative of the circumstances of his birth, chooses to keep the Kenyan birth certificate under wraps.
If this is the case, Obama is wise not to release his Kenyan birth certificate. As it stands now, there is nothing the Obama campaign or the State of Hawaii can do or produce that will satisfy conspiracy theorists. If Obama can't win this argument, then the argument is not valid.
Indeed, conspiracy theorists are making ripe a situation wherein Obama's extended family in Kenya can leverage revenue with well-placed stories and innuendo.
It's like the bible says....
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Jeboba1 year ago
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military parents of a child born to in a foreign country can petition to also have that child registered as a citizen of the country of birth.
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If born on a US base or contracted civilian hospital in Germany, for instance, the child can have both US and German citizenship.
So what's so different about the Obama/Kenyan connection? Hmmmm? It also makes sense that if the father were to ever take custody of Obama as a child, it would prevent any problems of him travelling to Kenya with his father!
DOH! Too much common sense and reason for the cons I'm sure!
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airaide1 year ago
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This is a subject that has been with us for some time. Why this issue has not been addressed in depth before this is beyond my comprehension. What are we to do at this stage if it is proven that his birth certificate is invalid? Have another election? I don't think so. In a Democracy
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it is said that the voters get what they deserve.
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CajunChamp1 year ago
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James Marcus posted this link earlier here:
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...
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lloydm651 year ago
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Let me get me get this straight,Obama has shown his birth certificate to all the federal officials who's duties are to authenticate such documents.Why then will the highest court in the land using their valuable time to hear the case.Not judging,just asking.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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Because the appeals process allows for it regardless of the merits of the case. It is the right of a citizen to seek a higher court's ruling if they are not satisfied with the outcome from a lower court. I don't begrudge the process that allows this, I do begrudge those who abuse the process for their own publicity.
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Did any of them simply go to Obama's campaign office and ask to see the birth certificate?
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jazzdad391 year ago
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I just read the article posted in The Bulletin, that the first comment said was "the best." The article said absolutely nothing--it was just the musings of some guy id'd as a 30-year lawyer with a degree from Harvard. No facts at all. (Note that Obama was Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review and taught constitutional law at U. of Chicago}
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Guess what--I'm a nearly 30 year lawyer from a top rated school too--my half-witted musings are as valid as the man in the Bulletin, neither worth the price of the electronic paper they're printed on. -
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Poulenc1 year ago
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I suppose it "makes sense" that partisan rancour would fuel this utterly spurious attempt to unseat the as-yet-unsat Obama--but it does, nonetheless, give deep pause.
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Should the fantasy be realized it would create a cataclysmic national, not to say worldwide disturbance.
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aearthling591 year ago
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I just ended 37 years with the government as a federal law enforcment officer in March 2007. Six months earlier was my last background review. I still had to show a birth certificate, after three diplomatic passports, two official passports and two tourist passports. I didn't object because I had nothing to hide. ALL candidates for the presidency should undergo the same background checks as the lowest paid federal employee. This includes, interviews with people going back to childhood , bank statements, tax documents, AND birth certificates.
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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You right-wing nutjobs really need to get a life. Suck it up. Your side lost. Deal with it like an adult.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...-
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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They will say that you idiots need to get a life. And then another nutjob will come along and try to appeal the rejection. I have no doubt this trumped up fiction will keep coming up throughout Obama's entire term as President, not because it has any shred of truth but because of the sheer volume of right-wing nutcases out there, i.e. "the base" of the Republican party.
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4thchance1 year ago
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OK, all Obama needs to do is hand over his "ORIGINAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE, NOT A COPY, HAND OVER THE REAL THING! Dear Obama, please hand over your ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE so we as a nation can move on. It's not a hard thing to do, so just do it. They are saying a copy is not acceptable, so lets see the original and all will be solved.
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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The real thing has been handed over. Repeatedly. Verified by dozens of sources. Photographed hundreds of times. It has a raised seal. It has a valid signature. It has everything on it that proves it's 100% valid.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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The real thing has been handed over. Repeatedly. Verified by dozens of sources. Photographed hundreds of times. It has a raised seal. It has a valid signature. It has everything on it that proves it's 100% valid.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...
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lloydm651 year ago
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RRcon"Are you saying that if Obama is lying we should let it go.Wow What a precedent rhat would set.Nobody could be ask for their birth record.Or we make up one."Yes I just got here from Mexico My name is George Washington,heres my papers
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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Obama's REAL and ORIGINAL birth certificate has been handed over. Repeatedly. Verified by dozens of sources. Photographed hundreds of times. It has a raised seal. It has a valid signature. It has everything on it that verifies it to be 100% valid.
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vandeewine-531 year ago
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I'll say it one more time for the numbskull crowd: Obama's real, actual birth certificate has been handed over. Repeatedly. Verified by dozens of sources. Photographed hundreds of times. It has a raised seal. It has a valid signature. It has everything on it that proves it's 100% valid.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...
Please do your homework and don't just believe what a crackpot website like worldnewsdaily has to say.
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bigG1 year ago
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A certified copy is all that is required to prove place of birth - not the original. These idiots keep whining they want the "original" when the federal government doesn't even require it for a passort - a certified copy will do. The operative word is "certified" - it means the issuing body is certifying that it is truthful and correct.
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The only reason it is even an issue to some people is that those same people won't give it up.
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KISA452a1 year ago
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It is good that SCOTUS will discuss this. They should take on the case, look at the document, end the discussion.
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For those who believe Obama, I have never seen a rational reason why he will not present his birth certificate for public inspection and end this controversy. What is the reason? "He doesn't have to so why should he" is a **** poor answer since it is obvious that he should to...end this controversy. On the other hand, it is unlikely that he can now clear up people's fears about his honesty because of his months of delay (assuming he now reveals the document).
Here's hoping SCOTUS takes the case and Obama is found to be eligible by a real examination of the facts. Sorry, showing factcheck.org does not come CLOSE to being sufficient for a presidental candidate...-
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KISA452a1 year ago
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So it is irrelevant if he is a citizen or not? He won th election to Constitution be damed? Look, there has been no consensus on this that convinces everyone. SCOTUS might do that. On the other hand, let's say he goes to SCOTUS, they declare he was inelligible. Would you suddenly say "Oh, he was ineligible, let's get on with life"? I doubt that (or at least most posters on here).
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One side wants a thorough examination and don't think that has been done. Why the utter horror that SCOTUS might look at it? EVERYONE for Obama should be DEMANDING that SCOTUS look at this so it will go away. It does make me wonder what he/you have to hide...-
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bigG1 year ago
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He has proved his citizenship with the certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has testified as to it's correctness.
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Do you really think he would have gotten by the Clintons if it were true that he wasn't a natural born citizen? Do you think the Clintons are that stupid? Are you that stupid?
"Look, there has been no consensus on this that convinces everyone."
He doesn't need to convince you or people of your ilk of his citizenship, and I will guarantee even with the original there will be small minds like you that won't believe it is real. People of your ilk will never be satisfied because you don't want to be. There will always be people like you that refuse to be convinced - no matter what.
I can assure you if there was a shred of truth to it the McCain campaign would have pounced on it.
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bigG1 year ago
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The Clintons couldn't find any proof or it would have been used. Same with McCain. They both wanted to win and if there was a shred of truth to it it would have disqualified Obama.
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The fact is the State of Hawaii has certified his birth date and place.
Do you think the people in the Hawaii government are lying? Do you think they are less cognizant of the law or less caring about the Constitutional requirements to be President that they would falsify the document?
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KISA452a1 year ago
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And you can tell by what I write what my "ilk" is? My "ilk" is that which does not accept on blind faith other people's word without a thought.
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My partisanship? What partisan am I? I am willing to bet you have no idea. But don't let knowledge get in your way of a good attempted insult. Which might explain why I don't just take your word for it.
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MILITA1 year ago
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TOM BROKAW IS TO INTERVIEW PRESIDENT-ELECT THIS
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SUNDAY ON MEET THE PRESS, WHICH WILL BE INTERESTING, AND I THINK IT IS TO BE ANNOUNCED
WHO WILL BE THE PERMANENT MODERATOR OF MTP. RUMORS SAY ITS DAVID GREGORY. WHICH RUINS MY
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saneman1 year ago
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How many of you people actually are US citizens? The reason why I ask is because it appears very few even understand what is being brought before the Supreme Court for review. The lower court declined to hear the case from the attorney in PA because the attorney didn't have legal standing to even bring the case. As a result, if the SC decides to hear the case, the SC can only hear the matter concerning whether the idiot attorney from PA had legal standing, nothing else. If the SC determines that he had legal standing then the matter will be remanded back to the lower court to be heard and be decided there.
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KISA452a1 year ago
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I appreciate the return to reality. I try hard not to be taken off on a tangent, but failed this time. Good for straightening it out.
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It is, however, even more scary that a US citizen can not sue to protect the constitution. The two parties have excluded the citizens in an unconstitutional power grab yet again.
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