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pc251 year ago
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Though the mainstream media has failed to cover this issue, there has been a growing trickle of articles. The best so far is an article in The Bulletin
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Goppy1 year ago
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Why do you always blame MSM for not running with YOUR agenda ... as if this somehow proves MSM is biased to the Left?
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If MSM focused on every story that YOU focused on ... it would mean our nation was a Demented, Fascist, Racist, Repressive, Cesspool .... populated by Right Wing Terrorists and Death Squads.-
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pc251 year ago
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First of all the quote is from the article and it seems to me and I would think most normal people would agree GOPPY that the Supreme Court on Friday deciding on whether to pursue a case that involves the CITIZENSHIP OF THE RECENTLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to me is a rather newsworthy story. That you have not yet comprehended that the MSM has become the STATE SPONSORED PROPAGANDA MACHINE of the DNC is frightening.
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orndorffter1 year ago
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pc25;>> There was a story but out about Hillary Clinton too, saying that she couldnt be Secratary of State,I Talked to Time, Washington post, and others. Their reaction was, there is alot of false Articals being put out, dont belive everything you hear, because its not true, so how do we know if this is true or not.The only way anybody is going to find out if it is ture, contact those you know. Iam not going to worrie because he is a Citizen, did you here anything on the news about it, I'm sure this would have already made top news.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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All the B.S. the right cooks up which in their feeble minds becomes fact because Rush and Sean say it is true..... makes it to the Supreme Court? Amazing. Hopefully we can get this court balanced again to override the radical righties sitting there now!
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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What do you call debunked. The wording on the document that has been shown to the media etc. is not worded like others of the same era. That makes it suspicious. Especially since anything can be counterfeited. All that had to be done to kill this quest was to request Hawaii to issue another birth certificate to the media. That would have stopped everything in its tracks. Why was that not done?
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It was a Hillary supporter that started this. He is a pure Democrat so don't try to pin this on the right. The problem is the document in question has the word "African" on it for the race of his father. When he was born the word was "Negroe" with that spelling. It was not until 1968 that they dropped that word and changed to "Black" and later to "African".
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Also this document is not a birth certificate but a similar document that is given. Why oh why has Obama not put the matter to rest by giving permission to the State of Hawaii to give out copies of his birth certificate. That would put an end to this immediately.-
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bigG1 year ago
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"Why oh why has Obama not put the matter to rest by giving permission to the State of Hawaii to give out copies of his birth certificate. That would put an end to this immediately."
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No it won't you colossal liar. People of your ilk will just come up with some other nonsensical argument about it being fake.
The birth certificate has been verified by the State of Hawaii as valid and the hospital records indicate the same. He is a native born US citizen.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It is a Hillary DEMOCRAT that is bringing this case. He is a former DA and is very much a Democrat. Why do you blame this on Republicans or conservatives?
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This case would have been stopped in its tracks if he had allowed the State of Hawaii to give out a real birth certificate. There have been found to be problems with wording and printing on this document. A brand new one would kill all of this.
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hamy1 year ago
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My thought is, don't you think that before they spent millions and millions of dollars putting Obama forth as a candidate that the powers that be in the Democratic party would have made sure that his citizenship wasn't going to be an issue? These politicians have countless lawyers who look at every nook and cranny of their pasts to make sure that something like this doesn't come into question.
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It is a non-issue. It is being pushed to the Supreme Court because the other courts have thrown it out.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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Klarissa1 year ago
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Jeboba - If they saw the original, then that means that Obama asked that his records be unsealed.
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He was adopted by Soreto - who was an Indonesian Citizen. Supposedly the adoption sealed the papers.
and, supposedly, he traveled on an Indonesian passport to countries that the American passport would not be valid for.
The supposedly is very important - because there are tons of rumors out there about Obama's birthplace.
Because Obama has said that he will have a transparent presidency, He needs to start with himself.
Is he trying to prove that he can be secretive - but has an American birth certificate and wants to score, or does he not have one.
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earthlingerer1 year ago
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This all hinges only on two things:
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Was Obama's mother a US citizen?
Did she live in the US for the required fourteen years of her life before Obama was born?
If those two questions are answered affirmatively, then Obama is, in fact, and concurring with english common law, on which the constitution is based, a "natural born citizen".
O course, you don't have to take my word for it, but here's the word that is being considered:
U.S. Supreme Court
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protoham1 year ago
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This is a very major story, we all have something at stake in this case. How can you say "your agenda"
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What happens if the SC says BO is not a citizen? Bush remains president until a run off election can be held?? Or does Biden become President?
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BigBadJohn6661 year ago
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No you wouldn't get Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosior or anyone that would be next in line in a normal situation since hussein wasn't elgible in the first place. It would either go to McCain/Palin by default or there would have to be a completely new election.
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4thchance1 year ago
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said "the mainstream media has failed to cover this issue" Well no kidding,
this is all new news to me!?
I read the article located here
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=202...
"Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so."
That in it's self does not look good at all for Obama.
Let's look at this with an open mind. If you were in Obama's shoes, and if you could easily prove your American citizenship by simply handing over your original birth certificate. Would you NOT hand it over to prove yourself!? Man, I'm tellin' ya, seems anyone would hand it over if it would clear them.
The only reason you would not hand it over would be because you're hiding the truth.
I say, if Obama is proven not to be an American citizen, then he should be imprisoned for the rest of his life. Look at what this will do to our country. If he is not a citizen, Obama would surly know that. He also would know he can not run to be president. SO WHAT THE F*** IS HE DOING!??????
This is the most messed up thing I have ever heard of. I'm a republican, and even I hope this is all BS and Obama is proven to be an American citizen. I can't stand the thought of what this could all mean if he is not. This could be a mess that outdoes all other messes. WOW!
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poster Goppy and his comment above, just goes to show you how insane some of the posters here truly are. This is a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR story, but Goppy thinks we should pay it no mind. Now that's GOOFY in the head! -
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mesodude1 year ago
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No, I'm afraid this is a "very" major pile of horsecrap and just because you claim it's "big news" does not make it so. It's baseless and it's been DEBUNKED. This is a complete joke and I would love to see Obama slap a "pretty big" multi-billion dollar con-bankrupting lawsuit on the filthy trolls who are pushing this load of garbage. There should be some extreme penalties for desperate, oxygen-wasting frauds who refuse to accept reality. We have Bush walking free and cons are wasting America's time on this CRAP. That's what I think would be "pretty big news". ;-)
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Goppy1 year ago
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Sorry BigBadJohn666 ... you've been made a fool of by the RNC marketing plan.
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See, it works like this ... "We're the Righteous Conservatives ... everyone's against us! Even the Media! You must disregard facts being reported by Media and focus solely on what our approved sources tell you."
See?
It's all advertising.
Naive, foolish people such as yourself, fall for this ... hook, line and sinker. Heck ... they even begin parroting the same 'talking points' the RNC puts out.
It's sad really, that someone could be so naive as to believe Mainstream Media is biased to the Left.
Of course, I accept the fact that when Republicans are portrayed in media ... they just NATURALLY appear repugnant.
I think that's where the whole Liberal Media thing comes from ... Republicans looking Morally Vacant and Incompetent when shown on media.
But hey, that's not MEDIA's fault.
The Modern Republican IS ... fundamentally Morally Compromised.
That's why they had to invent their own media outlets ... to control the circumstances of their portrayal.
See?
BTW ... I don't consider you a brainless idiot. You can string a few words together, after all.
I just consider you naive, impressionable, and slightly delusional.
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JamesMarcus1 year ago
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Thank god. I won't sleep a wink until this Kenyan double agent has been removed from office. In the meantime:
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Why would they allow a digitally scanned copy as proof of citizenship? I only ask this because when I signed up for the military, when I applied for a passport, as well as when I applied for a marriage license I had to provide the original, not even a certified copy would work. I would think it would also be required for the highest job in America. Just have him present the original at the time he takes the oath of office and be done with it!
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bigG1 year ago
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BB - wrong on all counts. A certified copy of the birth certificate is all that is necessary for a passport - not the original - just google the US Gov and you will see that is correct.
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Marriage license requirements may be different for every state, but a certidfied copy is also acceptable for that as well in Texas - as is a drivers license. (this can be googled also)
The military is the same. Hell, they accept foreigners don't they?
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rchyvon1 year ago
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I agree totally, a digital copy can be a fake one. Not only that, but anyone born of one or both American parents must also have a document called a Certificate of Citizenship, something I haven't heard Obama or anyone else mention. My son was born in Japan to two US borrn American Citizens, his Father was in the US Navy and he was born in a military hospital.
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Anyone who wants to go into the military or run in a lower political office who is not a "Natural Born Citizen", must have the Certificate of Citizenship and I doubt Obama even knows about it.
The problem is because this election had two men born out of the US, so lawyers who met early on to determine if both were eligible. Actually, neither was. A Natural Born citizen means you were born on American Soil, not a foreign country. So McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen either and this whole election has become a sham.
Russia's Navy is now off the Carribbean (SP) to "test" Obama and I do not believe America will be safe the day he swears in. We had a face to face with russia over Cuba when I was 12, and everyone was building bomb shelters. Obama is so overly concerned with our economy, I am terrified who will answer the phone at 2 AM and know what to do. He has lied to the American public about his whole agenda, so why would he submit a "real" birth certificate" along with a Certificate of Citizenship?-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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Where did you jump from "a digital copy can be a fake", - to assuming Obama's birth certificate is a fake?
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You don't think Obama will make a good president.
Does that influence your decision that his birth certificate is fake?
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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The law at the time of both men's birth was that a person who was born of two US citizens outside the US would be natural born if at least one parent came back and lived in the US afterward for at least 5 years.
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McCain met this requirement.
If Obama was born in Kenya then he is not a citizen since his father was not a US citizen. This is the problem. The document shown to people and digitally copied uses word that were not normally used at the time of his birth. This is what makes that document suspicious. All they had to do was have Hawaii to give to people a new certificate and all of this fuss would have gone away. Why was that not done.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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But if one of McCain's parents was not really an American, then McCain would not be a valid citizen. This is the problem.
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'Problem' not being that McCain's parents were foreigners (silly nonsense),
-but that an infinite regress of possible doubts can be laid,
where there is no sensible reason to doubt.
The Hawaiian department that issues certificates says it was valid;
the hospital says he was born there;
his family in hawaii says he was born there;
the state department says it was valid;
the experts hired by factcheck said it was valid.
There isn't a reason on earth to doubt it, - unless you want it to be so.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Problem with your assumptions. The State of Hawaii did not validate that piece of paper and is not allowed to comment on a birth unless authorized to by the person.
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There is problems with the wording in the document. The word Negroe was used at the time of his birth for the race of the father. After 1968 that word was changed to Black and later to African. Knowing those dates you can verify the date of birth to a certain extent. That is what cause the lawsuit in the first place.
Having Hawaii issue a now one would have stopped the original lawsuit in its tracks. It was brought by a Hillary Supporter who was a former DA. He begged Obama then to have Hawaii issue another one and was rebuffed. He vowed to take it all the way and has done just that.
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cushi1 year ago
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Rchyvon, you HAVE met the enemy, and it is YOU!! You are a sniveling, semi-hysterical cynic! Stop pushing your own blood pressure up over foolishness before you give yourself a massive stroke.
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Incidentally, I was a child during the Cuban Missile Crisis also, but unlike you, I grew up and stopped looking for the boogie man behind every door.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Why would they allow a digitally scanned copy as proof of citizenship?
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We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. -
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Jeboba1 year ago
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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rchyvon1 year ago
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Jejoba,
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Obama was not born in the USA. Where has your head been? He is only a US Citizen because his Mother was an American Citizen and I believe he was born in Indonesia, or Hawaii, and at the time he was born, Hawaiii WAS NOT A STATE YET, so please explain to me how you believe because he has a Birth Certificate, he was born in the US?
Not only that, but when one is born overseas of at least one US Citizen, they don't get a Birth Certificate from the US Embassy, they get what is called a Registration of Birth from the American Embassy or Consulate, that is why I beleave it is a false document,, minus the Certificate of Citizenship?-
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Bacalao1 year ago
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What I think is funny is that if Obama (the son of an American citizen) is not an American because he was either born in Kenya(on the other side of the planet), Indonesia(still a long expensive flight), Or Hawaii(became a state {2}two years earlier. Then J. Sydney McCain the(son of an American) is not an American either. He was born in a foreign nation(the recently created nation of Panama).
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So in conclusion Either both McCain and Obama Are nor Natural born Americans, Or they both are.
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rchyvon1 year ago
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Jejoba,
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I owe you an apology. It was McCain who was born in Hawaii before it became a State in 1959 instead of 1962.
The basic issue after doing more in depth research, the problem is his Birth Certificate MUST be an ORIGINAL, not a digital copy, as his Birth Certificate could be fake and why he is so adamant to produce an original with a stamp that certifies that the Birth Certificate is a certified copyu, and when I looked at the Birth Certificate, I didn't see that very important stamp. The fact OObama was raised in Indonesia for a good portion of his life may play a role too. An American who livs oversees and wants to maintain their Citizenship, must return to the US every five years, and I haven't read anywhere how long he lived overseas and if he returned to the US every five years.
But again, I do apologize to you, as Obama was born in 1961 and Hawaii became a State iun 1959. Please accept my apology, but I still believe the fact he refuses to produce an original Birth Certificate, concerns me.-
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hyperbola1 year ago
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You are spreading misinformation again. There is no requirement for an american citizen to return to the US every five years. What you are thinking of are those who are NOT american citizens, but have residency permits (green cards).
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drpolyphemus1 year ago
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HERE IT IS ONLINE
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OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Try this site on for size. The person subjected the Obama certificate to tests of other known valid ones and found several problems. The border is wrong the type face is wrong etc.
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/20...
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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I never saw anyone on the left seriously doubt John McCain's citizenship.
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(Probably some did; there are dozens of crazy dishonest people on the left in this country).
I did see arguments posing the business of McCain being born outside the US, countering claims that Obama was not a citizen.
Of course, maybe those on the right posed questions about Obama's birth certificate to counter McCain being born in Panama, - but I doubt it.
McCain's citizenship was never was a real issue.
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bruhaha1 year ago
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Most of the comments about McCain's citizenship were in direct response to comments about Obama's citizenship. There might have been a few people to did "seriously" question McCain's citizenship and they were just as wrong as those questioning Obama's
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Try this one on for size.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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Dude, the 'analysis' is of the scanned version NOT an examination of the actual document. Any number of digital alterations could have been done.
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Frankly, some of the 'analysis' is patently ridiculous. The 'color heat' of a scanned digital image? COME ON! Aside from scanners having their own color profiles to begin with, simply converting a CMYK scan to RGB or vise versa changes how the colors are handled, as does deciding between GIF or JPEG web formats and how the compression parameters are set.
FactCheck.org looked at, handled, and photographed the ACTUAL COPY (showing the raised state seal) Obama kept in his Chicago campaign office.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...-
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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There is the head in the sand concept. For enough money and access to another document anything can be counterfeited. That is part of the allegations brought by the Hillery Democrat former DA brought to court. Digitally scanning in a document and comparing it to another scanned in document is the way things are done. I have no concept of the validity of this but also the fact that the wrong word for race of the father is also troublesome.
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I go back to my original question. When that Hillary supporter raised this lawsuit why did Obama not have Hawaii issue another one to the court and put an end to this nuttiness? That makes it even more suspicious. Why this steadfast refusal???? This is what I do not understand. That former Democrat DA made it clear he would pursue this all the way.
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antibrainwasher1 year ago
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Horsecrap indeed.
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This article posted by the usual suspect, a con-niving anti american right wing hypocrite, and the ususal suspects are supporting and promoting it to the top of this right wing blog, owned by the massive US right wing biased conservative media time warner/AOL/ Netscape/ Propeller
The question is why does this crap appear at the top of propeller, is not for scamming the system by the right wing moderators who control propeller, paid by the right wing owners of american media.-
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Give yourself a break, pc25, and quit hyperventilating about Obama's being duly elected President. His birth certificate is very real and authentic. It has been verified by the authorities in Hawaii. I will be stunned if the Supreme Court even agrees to hear the case. It has no merit
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Jeboba1 year ago
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You want to get rediculous? McCain wasn't born in a military hospital in Panama either! He was born in a civilian hospital. So HE is not a natural born citizen either! Did you see us screaming and yelling about that? It's just as much a non-starter as you righties and your bullcrap you keep throwing out.
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Just as my son and daughter they where born in Japan when I was stationed there. They have birth abroad certificates and are still U. S. Citizens. they where born in a Japanese hospital because the military hospital did not have the capability.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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I made the same comment to my wife about McCain's birth. We could have made the same wild and spurious comments about McCain's citizenship as you cons insist on doing about Obama's
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GET OVER IT. GET ON BOARD. The last lifeboat is leaving. You can either be on it or go down with the ship!
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Goppy1 year ago
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A better question ....
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Why hasn't MAINSTREAM MEDIA investigated JOHN McCAIN'S Birth Certificate?
Why is Mainstream Media Covering for John McCain being born OUTSIDE the boundaries of the Panama Canal Zone?
Could it be that Mainstream Media was working behind the scenes to elect John McCain?
Why did Mainstream Media keep a lid on the fact that John McCain wasn't born within the United States?
Why are Christian Conservatives using a double standard to measure Obama's citizenship as opposed to McCain's citizenship.
Here. The New York Times questioned McCain's citizenship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mc...
Why didn't Mainstream Media pick up on this story?
For that matter, why didn't Mainstream Media ever once mention the tawdry details of John McCain's astonishing adultery and the manner in which he Abandoned his children.
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Mainstream Media is ruled by Multi-National Corporations who are in the pocket of The Modern Republican Party.
Again ... I ... Ask .... "Why didn't John McCain show us his Birth Certificate?
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Actually MSNBC did back in Feb., he has a birth abroad certificate,
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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This, BBcamaro, is where if we libs wanted to get silly, obnoxious, childish and just in general PC25ish, we would ask how do we know McCain's certificate is valid?
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We demand he turn it over to MoveOn.com for examination by their very unbiased experts.
For that matter, who knows that the baby born to the McCain family, - wasn't swapped for some other baby?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year ago
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But supposing, just for idle argumentation, that McCain did submit valid proof, - but scurilous personages like myself refused to accept it?
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Not because we really doubted, just s in the hopes that something might come of the doubt?
What an awful imagination I have.
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Goppy1 year ago
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I saw that, BB.
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But my fellow Christian Conservatives do not consider MSNBC to be mainstream.
They MOCK MSNBC.
They consider ABC, CBS, and NBC to be Mainstream Media.
To my fellow Christian Conservatives, it breaks down this way ...
NPR ... Commie Pinkos trying to bring Fidel Casto to the presidency.
CNN ... Clinton News Network.
ABC ... Extremist Left ... promoting Socialism
NBC ... Extremists trying to undermine our social order.
CBS ... The Dan Rather network.
MSNBC ... Comprised of extremists who were not extremist enough for NBC.
ALL Newspapers ... A Vast Left Wing conspiracy.
---- by comparison ---- my fellow Christian Conservatives view these outlets as 'fringe', not embraced by the general public ... but that they approve of.....
FOX ... News that makes my fellow Christian Conservatives smile
SBC ... News that raises my fellow Christian Conservatives to action against 'Libs'.
Talk Radio ... the ONLY repository for Truth in America. Where Christian Conservatives go to get their points of view, talking points, and world view.
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BBcamaro1 year ago
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Thanks Goppy,
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I do consider myself a conservative. I like to get several different news inputs to get the facts and try to figure out the real truth, as all the news networks slant one way or another. It is our job to find the truth, as we say in the military "trust but verify" -
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bubblankatt1 year ago
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May the good Lord, in His wisdome and mercy, protect and preserve me from the likes of you. Politics and religion have no business with each other! To quote a book you claim to revere....Render unto Ceaser, what is Ceaser's and unto God what is Gods, a clear declaration that Church and State are separate issues! Put that thought in your so called Christian pipe, and smoke it!
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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Poor Goppy does not know the federal law about naturalization. At the time for both men the law was that if both parents were US citizens and at least one of them lived in the US for 5 years after the birth the child was automatically a natural born citizen. The law was changed after that time to make it only one parent but that was not the law at that time.
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With McCain it did not matter where he was born.
With Obama it is extremely important.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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elucidate thyself!
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertific...
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Just keep it up PC25, you are giving every nutcase terrorist in the world cause to celebrate because you try your damndest to keep our country divided. They don't even need to attack us anymore because people like you are eating us up from the inside out!
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Goppy1 year ago
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BTW pc25 ...
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I really do wonder why questions about John McCain never seemed to reach the Mainstream Media. It's like MSM was 'covering' for John.
Or maybe, MSM recognized that the issue was so bogus ... they didn't want to look stupid.
After all, John wasn't born on American soil.
Some newspapers covered the John McCain story.
Give a listen to an exchange in a Washington Post story:
"If the Arizonan's candidacy is ever seriously challenged in court, McCain and the he-can-be-president forces do appear to have one important ally in the immigration policy world: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff."
"At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last week, panel Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) asked Chertoff whether he had any question that McCain could be president."
"My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen," Chertoff answered."
"That is mine, too," said Leahy."
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So ... the director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff - believes that if you were born of American parents, you are a natural-born American citizen.
Still ... why didn't Mainstream Media allow Americans in on this McCain question?
To what lengths was MSM willing to go to prevent Americans from knowing the 'TRUTH' about the controversy surrounding Mccain?
I mean ... MICHAEL CHERTOFF was investigating John McCain to see if he was eligible to run for President!!
The Director of Homeland Security was INVESTIGATING John McCain!
Why didn't MSM report on this?
My fellow Christian Conservatives and I sense a real conspiracy between MSM and the RNC.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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MSM reports the questions regarding McCain's birth certificate:
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bruhaha1 year ago
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Are you drunk? This came from the article I posted above:
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"At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president. "
The article discusses precisely what you say it doesn't. And as far as the rest of your comment - who said I was questioning anyone's citizenship? I think Obama is an American. I am simply questioning Goppy's assertion that the MSM had avoided the subject.-
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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I don't care that you have used all caps at the end. You are still incorrect about what the intent of that article is.
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FTA that I posted:
"Imagine what would happen if the courts were to overturn an election simply based on eligibility. It would be a disaster. After what happened in 2000, people would completely lose faith in the electoral process."
I'll remind you that the article is talking about McCain.-
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Work on this:
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FTA - "Duggin, the constitutional law scholar, said the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States.
According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status."
You above - "Sorry, but the post wasn't questioning his citizenship, unlike most of you and your buddies posts here on propeller."
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bruhaha1 year ago
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You are twisting the article around. THe article is just trying to discuss the claims (bogus claims as far as I'm concerned) by several individuals against McCain. It is not, no matter how you try to spin it, advocating that McCain should be/is ineligible to be president. I read the article word for word. There is no comparison with this article and those articles posted by KarlyC, RedTomato, AG, etc. claiming that Obama was/is not eligible.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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I haven't figured out yet if you are artfully lying or if you are just being difficult.
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Here's the headline of the article that pc25 posted:
"Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy"
Here's the headline of the article that I posted;
"McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate - His eligibility for Presidency is Questioned"
Comparing the two articles, they are very similar in nature.
Since this thread is based on pc25's submission, why are you bringing up other stories by karly, etc.?
I brought up the McCain story to prove to Goppy that the MSM had been floating their version of this turd since he was trying to make it look like only extremists on one side was playing this game.
Taking it further, if McCain had won, there would be these stories on Propeller posted by some of the liberal extremists on here.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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Thanks for the neg, Goppy. As I have explained to you before, I know it is your only defense to my audacity filled reason.
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Check this out. It's a story from months ago on Propeller that discusses the eligibility of McCain to run for President.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/02/28/is-john-...
Looks like bruhaha voted for that story. That makes me go hahaha. Check now to see if I voted for this story.
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bruhaha1 year ago
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For one thing. I'm not even sure why I voted for that article. Probably voted for it without even reading it? Hell, I can't even go back and read what it said. Go back and look through my comments. Have I ever actually said anything claiming that McCain was not eligible for president? No, I have not.
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Yes, the articles are similar in that they discuss a case. Most of the articles here on propeller, dealing with Obama's eligibility, that has not been the case.
My comments were mainly in response to your response to goppy as well as goppy's comments, not the article...if you can't figure that out on your own....that's not my problem.
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lovemylibs1 year ago
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More of the MSM's reporting on McCain's birth certificate was highlighted in this article:
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http://newsbusters.org/forums/latest-news/q-panama...
It says that in addition to the WAPO's edition, it was also mentioned in the following MSM outlets - NY Times, CBS, WSJ, International Herald Tribune, The Dallas News, AP and others. That crazy MSM seemed pretty petty about the whole deal.
There were at least two suits filed about McCain's eligibility.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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It takes a simple web search to find what the law of naturalization is. Why don't you make that search Goppy and stop spewing this nonsense. It would be very obvious why nobody has looked at McCain's citizenship status. Both parents US citizens and lived in the US for many years after the birth. That fact and the law stops any speculation dead in its tracks. But poor Goppy can't do that.
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