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gamahuche1 year ago
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Isn't it interesting how these initiatives are always ignored by the so-called "Great Powers"?
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The effects of napalm were bad enough but these lethal "clusters" are the "gift that keeps on giving", indiscriminately slaughtering and maiming innocent civilian populations indefinitely.
Wouldn't it be nice if this ban also mandated that all the perpetrators should be held responsible for removing every last single-one of their lethal toys - with a punitive fine for each day that the task is left undone?
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hyperbola1 year ago
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In this case "great powers" means china, russia, israel and the US. Nice company for us to be in as we preach to the world about liberty, democracy and equal rights for all.
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Today I was reading a Spanish newspaper and was heartened to see a picture of the Minister of Defense (a woman) visiting the factory where the first of the Spanish cluster bombs were being dismatled and destroyed. -
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memestryker1 year ago
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The "great powers" realize that psychopaths aren't going anywhere and there may be times when this appears to be the only way to stop a particularly nasty one (or group). We don't yet have the mental health knowledge to allow us to prevent psychopathy. And we know the psychopaths will keep secretly developing this or worse.
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Although emotionally I want to believe that feel good agreements like this will work, as someone who has studied psychology, I just don't think it's rational to think such agreements are anything more than joining hands and singing kumbayah--all the while the psychopaths are laughing to themselves.
Notice that whenever a group of people disarm themselves in any way, they eventually come to regret it and rely on those who did not disarm to come to their aid.-
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gamahuche1 year ago
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I've never heard kumbayah in Norwegian - could be quite interesting I should imagine..
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Aside from that I'm missing your point entirely..
Psychopathology, I would suggest, looks very much like dropping lethal bomblets in neighbourhoods where kids will pick them up and blow themselves up.
The countries who have been using these - or want to reserve the right to use them - don't happen to include any of the countries that are being targeted in the so-called "war-on-terror".
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alakazam1 year ago
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Suppose a Horde arose somewhere and began to sweep the Earth.
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Say a Man worse than Attila himself were sitting at it's Head.
Would you want them stopped?
I have said it before and will always contend that fighting for the preservation of life is worthy.
I have to agree with you completely that the irresponsible use of weapons has caused much suffering in the world.
How do we fix some of this without intervention?-
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gamahuche1 year ago
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Past my bedtime - I hope I don't have to deal with Attila in my dreams!
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Genghis Khan is more my cup of tea.
In Mongolia a few years ago the govt. asked everybody to choose a second name - most of them only had one and it was too confusing.
Unfortunately c. 90% of them chose a name that connected with GK - the problem remained - even more confusing. -
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Candida1 year ago
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memestryker: "The "great powers" realize that psychopaths aren't going anywhere and there may be times when this appears to be the only way to stop a particularly nasty one (or group)."
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So how exactly are you planning to use these bombs against psychopaths?
FTA: "Handicap International, says 98% of cluster-bomb victims are civilians and 27% are children."
Do you mean that you just hope that the psychopaths are among the victims? Or that the killed children won't grow up to become psychopaths?
Last year, as I was travelling in Europe, we had to take a detour in Budapest because a street was closed. We stopped and my friend asked the policeman what was going on. They had just found an unexploded WWII bomb in in one of the buildings. It wasn't a cluster-bomb, just an ordinary one, but these are, indeed, gifts that keep on giving. -
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ETproductions1 year ago
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Got to agree with you memestryker. As much as I deplore such mayhem, the great powers forswearing it would not make it go away. That would just rob us of a defense against rouge states that decided to ignore the ban.
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One of the horrors of modern warfare is that we can't unrign the bell. Unilaterally destroying one country's capability doesn't evaporate that military technology from the knowledge base. It's rather like gun laws. In a world with hundreds of millions of available weapons, passing a law against owning one only ensures that the criminal element will have them, but decent people won't/-
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gamahuche1 year ago
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I seldom disagree with you ET but the whole point of this exercise is to create a treaty that everybody will sign on to.
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Cluster bombs are marginal weapons in the exercise of power but major ones in the aspect of terrorising and devastating the mist vulnerable members of society who are far removed from the seats of power of those nations.
Apart from making vast swathes of our precious planet unusable they guarantee a fresh flow of individual enmity and hatred against whichever country has been responsible for dropping these murderous devices.
You only have to think of the ONE picture of the young Vietnamese girl running down the road after being struck by napalm to realise what a no-brainer it is in the hearts-and-minds area of politics to employ devices which will guarantee the on-going deaths of civilians for generations. -
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dissent1 year ago
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"That would just rob us of a defense against rouge states that decided to ignore the ban."
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this "defense" against "rogue" states blows up kids who think they're toys.
.... yeah, great "defense" :|
your argument "rings the same bell" as the pro-torture crowd. it seems there's no end to just how far pandora's box can be opened and then for us to say "oh well, it was open anyway"
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memestryker1 year ago
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The U.K. and Congo, for starters. The U.S. actually issued guns to the U.K. at one point because they had disarmed themselves.
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Many women were so viciously raped in African countries (that had disarmed at the suggestion of the U.N.) that they even require plastic bags to urinate and defacate since the attacks. Up to 90% of women in some villages have been brutally raped because the villagers have no means of defense since they were disarmed. The U.N. actually declared rape an act of war as a result so perpetrators could be charged with war crimes.
The media has reported that the elderly are sitting ducks for home invaders in the U.K. and Australia now that the bad guys know they won't be armed.
Try sitting on hold on a 911 call in the U.S.--some people choose to be disarmed even when they don't have to be, to their demise. -
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Candida1 year ago
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gamahuche: "Isn't it interesting how these initiatives are always ignored by the so-called "Great Powers"?"
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These were my first thoughts as well. Although I applaud the nations who are signing this agreement, it's always the same story: those who don't use them sign the agreement and those who do don't. As soon as the story started on the evening news where I first heard about it, I commented: "I bet the US won't sign." Why should they? After all, they couldn't sign the land-mine treaty either. How could they when they "need" those mines? -
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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ROTFLMAO
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In England once in a while they still discover unexpleded bombs from WW2. There as been a technique to have the bomb deactivate itself after a period of time. But any safety device can be overcome with stupidity. I think that only the US currently makes them that way. -
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