Obama, Assassination and the White Supremacist Threat »
Posted By jovial 1 year ago in NewsIt's the taboo subject you're not supposed to talk about - Barack Obama's safety in light of the rise of white supremacists in America. ANP investigates in Memphis, Tennessee, where our cameras infiltrate the Stormfront.org Euro Conference. We probe the minds of the Anti-Defamation League, the Racist Skinhead Project and David Duke to assess legitimate threats to the next U.S. presidency
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jovial1 year ago
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Well, we talked about anti-semitism. Can we now talk about racism of another type? It seems that a lot of people didn't like the idea about there being a black President. They have labeled him everything from a communist to an AlQaeda mole. What are the chances that there will be a real threat to the life of this President while he is in office, or even before he gets there? Many people I've heard here on propeller feel the same way as the guy on this video. Could there be some connection?
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sieben131 year ago
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Isn't it strange that a government with all the power it has at their disposal "IF THEY WANTED TO " get rid of ALL these white supremest groups ,kkk etc. These organization have all been infiltrated ,so they know who is who and where they are . Your government dismantled the Black Panther party without hesitation. Why not these other,or could it be that they are WHITE? We in Europe, in my country pray for the safety of your President and his FAMILY " GOD BLESS AMERICA HE PROTECT Barack OBAMA
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hyperbola1 year ago
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I think that this is focussed too narrowly. The US has a history of 400 years of racism which will not disappear easily. The "skinhead" groups are not the real problem - the oligarchs and propagandists that support the racism for their own power and profit are our real enemies.
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A Nation of Colonists and Race Laws
You hear it everywhere. Even from Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, author of the vicious anti-migrant legislation that has polarized the US. “We are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws,” he says.
And like almost everyone else, he’s got it wrong.
The original Europeans in the Americas were not immigrants, but colonists. And the US is not a nation of immigrants - it is a white colonial settler state, like South Africa under Apartheid, the former Rhodesia, Australia and Israel.
And like those states the US has always operated on a sometimes hidden, sometimes overt system of Apartheid.
Like those places, the US is a nation of colonists – and race laws.
It is just another place where white colonists arrived, seized the land, and dispossessed, exterminated or attempted to exclude the original “non-white” peoples – all of them.
They did so at the point of a gun - by open terror and genocide, which was the precursor and the necessary pre-condition of European immigration. And, of course, they didn’t only use guns and overt terror. Where “necessary,” they operated by “law.”
Let me prove the point. It’s simple. We all know the facts.
In the US, Native Americans were dispossessed, subjected to mass murder, and locked on separate, Apartheid-style “reservations.” So it stands today.
Africans were enslaved, and once “freed,” they were subjected first to Jim Crow, then, when that proved no longer possible, Jim Crow was transformed into joblessness, the mass terror of mass incarceration and permanent Apartheid-style ghetto-ization. So it stands today.
The Indian nation of Mexico was conquered in a racist war of aggression by the US in 1848. The only debate in the days of “Manifest Destiny” was not whether to seize Mexican land, only how much of it to seize, and what to do to keep the Mexicans out of what had been stolen.
Two choices were before them. Take the whole nation and lock the people on reservations, or take as much land – with as few Mexicans – as possible. Thus the border was established through war, through brute and overtly racist violence. The border is an Apartheid Wall. So it stands today. -
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orndorffter1 year ago
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jovial;> Please give Propeller more credit then that, because if that were true,Propeller would know iust by their talk and would pull them off in a second,also band them.Why dont you try feeback and find out for yourselfs. They are honest and would tell you the truth.Dont you think that they would have already forked them out by now? Your on this site, dont you trust them ? I do.
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rightfromwrong1 year ago
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it doesn't have to be a supremacist to do the job.Security may just allow it to happen after being given the nod from the powers that be. It could be another contrived situation like when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Sirhan Sirhan was always in the front with no entry wounds from his direction but bullets hit Kennedy behind the right ear and under his right armpit.
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Progressive1 year ago
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"Security may just allow it to happen after being given the nod from the powers that be."
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That's an insult to the men and women of the Secret Service who have sworn to take a bullet for ANY past, present or future member of presidential families.-
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Dionys1 year ago
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"That's an insult to the men and women of the Secret Service who have sworn to take a bullet for ANY past, present or future member of presidential families."
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Not really. We all know they honor their jobs and commitments. It's the moles within the Secret Service from other black-bag operations you have to worry about. -
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
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There are still some today who think President Kennedy was set up by the extreme right wingers in the SS.
I still believe the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll, hard to blow off the back of a mans head from behind.
Entry wounds clean exit wounds catastrophic.
Besides it is the directors who make the calls about which agents to assign.
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protoham1 year ago
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Keep in mind, there are nuts out there, Who would think someone would want to kill John Lennon, but they did. Some of these nuts just want to leave their mark before they leave. Some believe they will get their reward in heaven. I don't want to wish any ill on this man, but almost every president has been shot at. The SS will have a real tough job protecting him.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Let me tell you a crazy story. When Reagan was president, I heard he was coming to my city. As I was driving from a business meeting near the airport, I saw the Marine helicopters that always accompany his visit. I heard on the radio that Reagan would be landing at a business airport nearby. So I thought "why not go see him?" I drove in, parked my car, got out and walked directly through the terminal and up to a checkpoint where they were searching people that would be allowed to go on the tarmac. I just walked right past them! I went to a roped off area and a secret service agent said "you can't come in here". So I went and leaned against the front of a hangar. Mind you, I was only about 100' from where Air Force 1 would pull up. After a short time, all the black SUV's pulled up and backed up right in front of me. Secret service agents got out, put on their vests and gathered their weapons. They just ignored me. I was dressed in a black suit and black tie. Maybe they thought I was one of them. I don't know. After they all took up their positions on the roof, etc., another plain clothed agent came up to me and said "what are you doing here?" I replied "I'm just a citizen and I came to see the President." I fully expected him to at the very least escort me off the premises but no, he said "Go over to the roped off area, you will get a better view!!!" He used his radio to call the agent at the roped off area and said he was sending me over and let me in. I WAS INCREDULOUS! I went to the roped off area, made my way to the front of the area. When Reagan stepped off the plane, he walked within 6 feet of me and even shook my hand!
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NOW! Just how well does the Secret Service protect the President? I was never challenged, never searched, I could have had a weapon. Fortunately, I'm not a killer or a radical, etc. I didn't even like Reagan but man, what lax security.
THIS IS A TRUE STORY. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT MYSELF!
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Spadecaller1 year ago
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Thanks jovial. This is a subject many of us feel and think about quite often; especially those of us who watched our leaders cut down before our own eyes.
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Much of the hateful rhetoric that I see on the web and on this site by some members right here indicates to me that Barack Obama needs all our support and the best security ever provided for any leader before in our history -- a history fraught with too much bloodshed to ever feel our President's security force is something that we can rely upon without feeling trepidation.
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engineer1 year ago
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alakazam1 year ago
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When I heard Duke's crew were having their little meeting here in Memphis I was irritated beyond belief.
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It indicated to me that not only do they have no sense of shame, they have no respect.
They do have the right to speak and meet. As much as I would like to get together a bunch of Anti-Nazis and go get all brownshirt on their asses, I will not.
That would make me like them.
A great tragedy there is so much hate in the world.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
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Yeah, but sometimes ya just got to take a stand and say not in my country !!!
If they get violent, well then they are fair game. I'm not saying to get violent, I'm just saying to voice your opposition to their view.
I like to know where my enemies are and who they are !!!!
They are complete idiots and those who follow them lack the human sense of compassion for their fellow man.
Their lack of belief in themselves shows in their inability to interact with someone who looks different.
They actually hate themselves more than they hate anyone else. Because if you accept your own shortcomings you have no problem accepting the fact that others are not going to be what you think they should.
Then you are able to see them as humans, capable of the same things as you are.
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DarkWizard1 year ago
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jovial,
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This is something I've heard from different groups I've talked with. Many are worried that an attempt will be made on Obama. It saddens me that there is still such an undercurrent, within our society, of African-American haters. I know that the White Supremacists are only one of the groups that admit to it, but there are many who agree with them that don't affiliate with these kinds of groups.
Our society needs to evolve and weed these factions out like any other terrorist cell needs to be eliminated, when making their home in the land of the free.
I know these people are supposed to be Americans and enjoy the same freedoms as the rest of us, but I can't help but think that Gitmo could still service a purpose in holding domestic terrorists. Of course, this power would be easily corrupted and used against the innocent just as easily. But...it was a thought.-
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jovial1 year ago
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Yes Dw, there are full blown members and there are sympathizers. The sympathizers are clearly just as dangerous. They become adamant when confronted and quickly deny any affiliation. Yet deep inside they are quietly wishing for Obama's demise.
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alakazam1 year ago
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Sometimes I think it is too bad there are no Frontiers...No Coventry.
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I really do believe in Justice, DarkWizard.
I think it is immutable.
Are we sitting on a powder keg?
Maybe?
Reeducation camps are not the answer.
This is one of those times that tries the Soul...It is a time to stand up and be Men.
A person can say or think anything they damn well please, The Assumption of the Law and the Social Contract we live under in America is that the right to speech is inalienable from any individual.
Anyone who can live by the terms of the contract is welcome to participate.
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PatH21221 year ago
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Dark Wizard You talk like all white people are African-Americans haters. You need to get off that soap box and quit using that as an excuse. You should realize that it wasn't just Blacks that got Obama elected, white people also voted for him. So quit continueing that Hate on your part. White Americans helped him be elected !! You need to accept that. Quit putting that Racist excuse out there. You do nothing but cause disagreement between people when you do that. I am a white American, and couldn't care less about the color of his skin.. All I care about is that he has enough experience and good eithics. I seriously hope that nothing happen to Obama, but there are some Black and White idiots out there.
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GET OVER IT
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nalagh2000glr1 year ago
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We as a nation need to evolve from so immature thinking of killing a president because he is a different race. The people spoke on November 4th of who they wanted as President. The majority were white who voted for this bi-racial President.
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doomtrooper9191 year ago
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Heh, I never thought Stormfront would go this far. Honestly, being within the sphere of people like this, I can tell you that honestly, these "threats" will stop when minorites (mostly the youth) pick up their balls and take responsibility in our country. Also, white supremacists pick on minorites who do not wish to follow our country's codes of honour, life, and general courtesy that we expect. Those who come into our country, refuse to learn the language and be respectful of our citizens and laws, get targeted by these factions.
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All in all, Obama was elected fairly and squarely, and I hold no grudge against him. I'm not prejudiced to color ; anyone who disrespects others out of sheer arrogance should be stomped.-
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jordan111 year ago
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Your words: " I'm not prejudiced to color " ......."Also, white supremacists pick on minorites who do not wish to follow our country's codes of honour, life, and general courtesy that we expect. ">>>>
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Natureboy1 year ago
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White supremacists are a joke. Nothing like hearing some chromosomal mishap with three teeth declare that he is a specimen of the "master race." You say -"these "threats" will stop when minorites (mostly the youth) pick up their balls and take responsibility in our country."
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I say - we will get rid of white supremacists when we stop siblings and first cousins from interbreeding.
I say, if you snuck into the shallow end of the gene pool when the lifeguard was on break, you might be a white supremacist.
If you call your mater "sister-mom," you might be a white supremacist.
If your family tree has no forks or branches, you might be a white supremacist.
If, when you heard Obama was president, it shocked you half out of your sister, you might be a white supremacist.
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speedyneutrino451 year ago
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
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speedy....:
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Well, thats nice to know !!! Where are ya going ??? Can I help ya get there any faster ????
Hey can I help ya pick your next home, I hear Russia is beautiful in the winter. Hitlers troops just loved it.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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There are always idiots who want to kill a president. This one is no different. The idiots have been successful 4 times. It gives the secret service a lot of work to keep the president protected. The one who tried to kill Reagan wanted to impress an actress and then get to take her out in his warped mind. These crazy people do not live in reality.
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Jeboba1 year ago
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But Endo, through your negative and hateful talk about the President-Elect, you validate these crazy people. You give them defacto 'permission' to do the deed. You and the other right wingers on Clear Channel and Fox News also give that validation.
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While I don't believe YOU personally would ever carry out such a dastardly act, Your dastardly speech feeds the crazies. You are in effect an 'enabler'
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year ago
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k9kssr1 year ago
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Well, I can't speak for all "Americans" but the people of Oklahoma reacted strongly.
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The fact that he was an american that committed such an atrocity was, to me, even more horrifying than if al Queda had done it. His victims that survived are still suffering.
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fairlady461 year ago
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Well, so far the only threat that I see is the threat to our constitution. Obama has yet to prove his citizenship and if he is sworn in in January he will null and void our constitution. Come on, as an employer the government demands that I prove to them that my employees are citizens of the US. Why is Obama being treated differently? I hope and pray no one hurts Obama but his election has killed our constitution.
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jovial1 year ago
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Prove citizenship? It's already been proven. Just because it's not to your liking doesn't make it any less legitimate. It's sour grapes and it's borderline racist to even ask. Has there ever been any Presidential candidate challenged on these grounds? Over at stormfront.org the forum that racist groups are flocking to since Obama's election, they talk about this and are raising money to try to get more loonies to testify and file lawsuits. They also portray Obama as a monkey, a stupid negro, and speak of a civil war if Obama get's the delegates on Dec. 15th. Is this the group of people that you want to ally yourself with? If so, then I truly understand where you're coming from. If not educate yourself. Don't listen to fabricated smears and lies, from hate groups.
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vor1 year ago
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Just because we have one lone nut pushing this ridiculous issue does not give it credence. I heard even the World Net Daily acknowledged Obama is a verified citizen. If you go any farther Right than that you are going to fall of the edge of the flat earth those people believe in.
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The stupidest issue ever brought to the court. Utterly ridiculous.
"His election has killed our Constitution"
The man is not even in office and the Constitution is dead? Pure insanity. You people have no shame. I truly believe Obama will govern in a centrist fashion. His cabinet appointments already show this tendency. Remember that GW Bush was cast as a bipartisan reformer prior to his first term. Is that how he will be remembered? -
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fairlady461 year ago
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Hawaii has sealed his birth certificate. The one on the internet was purported to not indicate who the doctor was that delivered Obama and there was some other vital information that was missing. It was incomplete. It didn't stand up to scrutiny so now they sealed it so no one can have access to it, examine it to make the determination as to it's truthfulness. In one report from Kenya, his mother, just prior to delivery was forbidden to board a plane to Hawaii due to the lateness of her pregnancy. Therefore she was forced to have Obama in Kenya and then later went to Hawaii to register his birth. There are still so many unanswered questions surrounding his birth. I just don't understand why people like you are too quick to accept his Hawaiian birth when in fact too many facts say i t isn't so. There are too many witnesses in Kenya that say he was born there. These facts are out there just like the facts on his character and associations. Your denial will cost this country dearly. We still live in a free society in which we can question the authenticity of our elected officials. So, don't insult me by asking if Hawaii is one of our states. I can tell you this, Kenya is not.
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k9kssr1 year ago
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Many, Many years ago, in another life, I worked in state corrections as an inmate "counselor" so I had lots of contact with skinheads and other gangs of varying color. You give them too much credit. Most of them are dumber than a sack of rocks (as are most of those incarcerated) and are not intelligent or sophisticated enough to pull off the asssassination of a President. They may want to, they may plan to, they may try to, but they will get caught.
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A President is in the position to **** off a lot of people in this country and other countries, too, regardless of his race or theirs, and I think that was probably taken into consideration before Obama decided to run.
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JetfireK1 year ago
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The next election, the Republicans are thinking seriously about nominating Bobby Jindal who is Indian and very well liked. Both Barack Obama and Bobby Jindal are intelligent and knowledgeable. On Nov 4, 2008 America released the shackles of skin color. Let us begin
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Jeboba1 year ago
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We should start checked Jindals birth certificate now. Oh, I forgot, it may have gotten blown up in the attacks on Mumbai last week. Pity. Now what will he do?
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SEE HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS? WELL, YOU cons and your 'birth certificate' crap is just as stupid! Move on already!
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paperpartynm1 year ago
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I believe Obama should allow someone official to examine his birth certificate and put all this to rest. I mean, any other employer would demand it especially if company security was at risk and there's plenty of that being president. He is so privy to many top secrets it would do us well to know he can be trusted to keep US secrets and if he does have a dual citizenship that's hardly likely he would preserve the secrecy of classified info. I mean after his first meeting with Bush, in which details were suppose to have been kept between them the topic of their meeting was leaked to the press....hush my mouth but I think Obama's lips could sink ships. He hasn't earned my trust yet either.
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jovial1 year ago
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Bush never earned my trust either, but I accepted him as my President. I've been most vocal about the war and other issues I didn't agree with. I learned to live with it. The Republican party dogged every Democrat that ever got elected in recent history. From Carter to Clinton. Now it starts again. This time with Obama. We had to put with your Reagans and Bush's what makes you guys think that YOU don't have to support your President if he's from another party. It's like dealing with 5 year olds. If you can't consistently have the rules your way, you grab the ball, call foul, and wanna go home!
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Tangent0011 year ago
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"I believe Obama should allow someone official to examine his birth certificate and put all this to rest. "
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Dude, he HAS. The original 'vault version' was examined by the director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics. Whom else do you suggest? -
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Jeboba1 year ago
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Oh, I just heard Bush was born in the backroom of a brothel in Tijuana! Damn! We should have MADE HIM produce his birth certificate!
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NOBODY ELSE HAS EVERY HAD TO PRODUCE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHY should Obama be any different? See! We can make up all the crap we want. That doesn't make it true. You cons just keep making $hit up over and over.
It ain't werkin' !
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paperpartynm1 year ago
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My final comment is I hope and pray Obama and his cabinet of Clintonites govern for the betterment of this great nation. And may Obama not have a dual citizenship because that will only cause confusion in how he governs because in most cases both countries demand that the one person obey the laws of both countries he may be citizens of creating a conflict of interest in leading this nation. That is my concern about his not being a citizen of the US. Has nothing to do with color or political affiliation. I want my children's future protected and if he can't do that then I don't want him in. Understand? I hope so because it is for your future that I'm concerned about as well. Good night and this has been an interesting debate.
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Tangent0011 year ago
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"And may Obama not have a dual citizenship because that will only cause confusion in how he governs because in most cases both countries demand that the one person obey the laws of both countries he may be citizens of creating a conflict of interest in leading this nation."
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I haven't been able to find anything definitive regarding whether or not Obama ever was a legal bona fide citizen of Indonesia. Regardless, he never abandoned his US citizenship and clearly does not consider himself to be a dual citizen of anywhere. His Kenyan dual citizenship expired in 1984. I imagine whatever citizenship status he may had had in Indonesia has expired as well. Dual citizenship is something that must be maintained and reaffirmed every so often.
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LakeErie1 year ago
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Endoscopy your so right. Many have been assinated, the Kennedy brothers, Martin Luther King, Lincoln, and Ruby and Oswald attempts on other Presidents. What makes this guy so special he knows the job and the problems that come with it. He wants extra protection let him pay for it. Where is his birth certificate ? If he was born in USA why won't he show it and doh how he get this far without this stuff being proven. Looks like another civil war errupting. You can only shove so much under a mat and pretend its not there but sooner or later it has to be faced and not by saying it doesn't exist.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
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Endoscopy your so right
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Funny yet on a political map correct. He is soooo far right it's amazing.
Where is his birth certificate ?
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?...
If he was born in USA why won't he show it and doh how he get this far without this stuff being proven.
Ah-ha. good question for you to think through......
Looks like another civil war errupting.
Really? Which state have decided to succeed from the union over Obama's election?
Hahahahaha looks like your tears have become a river.....
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