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    ADAGUY1 year ago

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    Would you be complaining about it being off topic if the other party were found to be the culprit?
    For some reason, you party line republicans have become amazingly silent on articles like this.

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      4thchance1 year ago

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      WOW, this article didn't even mention Barney Frank or Chris Dodd...

      The Fannie and Freddie collapse all happened under the watchful eyes of DEMOCRATS Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. You can go ahead and blame the Bush administration for it, but you know what. Bush can't keep his eyes on everything. Just like Obama will not be able to keep his eyes on everything. That's why they APPOINT people to keep theirs eyes on things for them. Democrats appointed Dodd and Frank to keep their eyes on Fannie and Freddie. THEY FAILED US MISERABLY. Now the entire country is paying for their incompetence. Dodd and Frank should be held accountable.
      But they won't be, and that's why our country may soon fail. There is no justice anymore. No deterrent, all this theft and corruption crap will continue until we have nothing left. Dodd and Frank should be placed in prison. But instead, they won't even have to answer to anyone for what they have done. And now we are all paying for it. So now I ask, what's the next screw job going to be for us. You know it's coming, why shouldn't another good screw job be pulled on us, there's no penalty for people in high places to screw us. BRING IT ON...

      See this video
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-d6WPTXa8

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        jordan111 year ago

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        I agree that some democrats turned a blind eye. But there is no way on this earth you'll get away with spinning the republicans full on complicity in this, including deregulating the banking/lending industries. Republicans have brought our nation to the edge, and you'd best hope there's a way to fix it.

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          4thchance1 year ago

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          There has to be accountability, or this kind of crap will never end and surly will never be fixed. This happed on Democrat BARNEY FRANK'S watch. So like this article seems to be doing is to point the finger at someone other then who's at fault. Yep, that will get to the bottom of the problem won't it!?

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            b-happy1 year ago

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            This is the fault of the American citizen voting in Democrats and Republicans that had no intention of trying to fix any problems but instead wanted to help out their corporate and elitist buddies. It's our fault because we vote these idiots in.

            It's just amazing that a story like this blames Republicans when Obama himself is second most in how much money they have received from Fannie Mae. Or how about the fact that Obama has already hired people for his new administration that used to work for Fannie Mae? Where is that in this story?

            So we get the government we deserve because we keep voting in people that screw us and only because they call themselves a Republican or a Democrat. WHat sense does that make? If people actually read facts about the people they support then we wouldn't have these idiots in office. Ben Franklin, Washington, Jefferson were the people and thus ran a government for the people. WHat we have now is a government that doesn't even know who the people are. All they know is that their kids and friends will be Ok.

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              ybdogsct1 year ago

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              BHAPPY:
              "when Obama himself is second most in how much money they have received from Fannie Mae. Or how about the fact that Obama has already hired people for his new administration that used to work for Fannie Mae? Where is that in this story?"

              How does this make Obama responsible for the current collapse? Please post a direct link to nonpartisan documentation that proves a causal relationship between legislation Obama sponsored or defeated and the collapse of Freddie Mac.

              I've already done so with Republicans Bill Frist, Phil Gramm, Richard Shelby, Doug Goodyear, etc.

              Now it's your turn. Demonstrate the causl relationship and don't forget to provide direct links to your nonpartisan documentation.

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                amazed1 year ago

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                Well, not only do we insist on returning all the same people back to Washington, we even insist that everyone involved be career politicians.

                Listen to the wailing going on about Caroline Kennedy's possible appointment to Hilary's seat. Nothing about her politics or where she stands or do we really need to keep the Kennedy legacy going, just "oh, she has no political experience!".

                I think that's probably the best thing about her! We need MORE people to be elected to Congress with NO political experience -- as long as they have some real-life experience. If we could do away with the majority of the career politicians (which our founding fathers never wanted us to have, anyway) we could probably go along way towards cleaning this country up.

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                jordan111 year ago

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                No, it didn't happen on his watch. It was put in place under the republicans watch. This has been building up for several years. Sorry.

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                  mesodude1 year ago

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                  So *now* you're for accountability? I see... ;-x

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                ybdogsct1 year ago

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                4THCHANCE:
                "The Fannie and Freddie collapse all happened under the watchful eyes of DEMOCRATS Barney Frank and Chris Dodd."

                That's because the Democrats did NOT control Congressional Banking Committees between 1995-2006. The Democrats were also NOT responsible for killing Hagel's bill (REPUBLICAN Bill Frist killed it in committee).

                Why don't you try reading a little more and watching television a little less? You might actually learn something.

                4THCHANCE:
                "This happed on Democrat BARNEY FRANK'S watch."

                Wrong. Republicans controlled Congress from 1995-2006. It was a Republican Majority Leader (Bill Frist) that killed Hagel's bill in committee. It was Republicans who resisted an alternative regulatory bill by Democrat Paul Sarbanes to reign in Freddie Mac.

                Even in YOUR OWN YOUTUBE LINK, Bill O'Rielly agrees that Democrat Barney Frank passed legislation as soon as he was in the position to do so. Unfortunately, the bill was too late to stop the momentum of Freddie Mac's collapse.

                FROM YOUR OWN LINK:
                BARNEY FRANK: "I became chairman of the Banking Committee on January 31st 2007. Less than 2 months later, I did what the Republicans hadn't been able to do in 12 years -- get through the committee a very tough regulatory bill and it passed the House in May. I've always felt 2 things about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- that they had important roles to play but that their regulation should be improved. From 1995 to 2006 when the Republicans controlled Congress, no regulatory legislation was passed. The first time I had any real authority on this was January of 2007 and within 2 months we had passed a bill that regulated Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The earliest chance we got to put tough regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, we did it.

                BILL O'RIELLY: "Ok. Alright, that's swell."

                Furthermore, Democrats actually had proposed an alternative bill to regulate Freddie Mac, but that was also killed by Republicans.

                http://www.allbusiness.com/government/532756-1.htm...
                "During deliberations, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Alabama) dismissed the alternative submitted by ranking member Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)."

                Is this really the best you can do?

                LOL.

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                  4thchance1 year ago

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                  The BIG problem I have with Democrat Barney Frank is this.
                  Late last July, Frank made a public statement. Frank told us that Fannie and Freddie are in good shape, he re-assured us that Fannie and Freddie are good solid investments. Then a few weeks later Fannie and Freddie FAILED. Barney had to have known that Fannie and Freddie were in trouble. But he lied anyway. Before Frank made that statement, many of us who had stock in Fannie & Freddie were worried about those institutions. Then Frank comes out and reassures us that all is good. So, many like MYSELF hung onto those stocks, I and millions of others lost BILLIONS of dollars on those stocks that Barney said are good investments. My question is this.
                  WHY DID BARNEY LIE to us about all this???? He know they were in trouble, that was his job to know what is going on with Fannie and Freddie.

                  You can spin this till hell freezes over, but that does not explain why Democrat Barney Frank lied to us. Something stinks to high heaven with all this!?

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                    ybdogsct1 year ago

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                    4THCHANCE:
                    "The BIG problem I have with Democrat Barney Frank is this.
                    Late last July, Frank made a public statement. Frank told us that Fannie and Freddie are in good shape, he re-assured us that Fannie and Freddie are good solid investments. So, many like MYSELF hung onto those stocks, I and millions of others lost BILLIONS of dollars on those stocks."

                    1) What should Barney Frank have done? Are you telling me that it would have been fiscally wise for Barney Frank to have called a press conference predicting the imminent collapse of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Such a press conference would CERTAINLY have brought upon the collapse of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae even sooner and would have panicked investors.

                    No, Frank specifically stated Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are "not the best investments to be made" and passed regulatory legislation within 2 months of taking power of the Banking Committee, hoping that the legislation would arrive in time to prevent Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's collapse. It turns out, it couldn''t stop Freddie Mac's momentum.

                    2) You should have listened more carefully. Barney Frank said the words "Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are not good investments."

                    FROM YOUR OWN YOUTUBE LINK:
                    Barney Frank: "Fannie and Freddie are not the best investments to be made."

                    3) YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN investments. There have been warnings since 2003 of Freddie Mac's instability, which is what led Republican Chuck Hagel to author his regulatory bill,Democrat Paul Sarbanes to author his regulatory bill, and Barney Frank to say that "Fannie and Freddie are not the best investments to be made" right now.

                    I find it laughable that your accusation has changed from "This happened on Barney Frank's watch!" to "Barney Frank's financial advice made me lose money!" -- as if you would ever take financial advice from a Democrat politician, much less Barney Frank.

                    It's certainly odd to see someone from the Republican Party blaming others for his poor investments. What happened to being the party of "personal responsibility"? I guess that only applies to others, huh?

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                      4thchance1 year ago

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                      Good spin job!

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                        ybdogsct1 year ago

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                        Nice "counterargument"!

                        I guess that was the best you had to offer.

                        LOL.

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                      ybdogsct1 year ago

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                    protoham1 year ago

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                    Well of course they didn't have to lobby the dems, they were letting things happen without.

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                      ybdogsct1 year ago

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                      PROTOHAM:
                      "Well of course they didn't have to lobby the dems, they were letting things happen without."

                      Actually, Chuck Hagel was not the only one to attempt to push regulatory legislation through the Republican-controlled Congress. The Democrats were supporting their own version of a regulatory bill that was authored by Democrat Paul Sarbanes. But Republicans killed both Chuck Hagel's and Paul Sarbanes' bills.

                      http://www.allbusiness.com/government/532756-1.htm...
                      "During deliberations, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Alabama) dismissed the alternative submitted by ranking member Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)."

                      And as 4THCHANCE's youtube clip shows, when the Democrats did assume power in 2007 (after 12 years of Republican control of Congress), the Democrats were able to pass regulatory legislation within 2 months. The problem was that by 2007, the legislation passed by the Democrats was too late to stop the momentum of Freddie Mac's collapse.

                      I think it would be a mistake to claim that Democrats did nothing. The Democrats tried once in 2005 while Republicans controlled Congress to pass regulatory legislation under Paul Sarbanes and it was killed in committee. After winning a slim Congressional majority in the 2006 elections, the Democrats tried again in 2007 and successfully passed regulatory legislation, but it was simply too late.

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                      mesodude1 year ago

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                      What I find comical is that, until this crisis, Rush and FOX never mentioned Chris Dodd's name and they'd only spoonfed cons that old right wing folk tale that Barney Frank is that gay dude who once ran a prostitution ring from his basement (false) and who received a standing ovation from Congress afterwards (nope...that never happened either, cons but I think we all remember a seven-felony convict from Alaska who did recently get a standing ovation from Congress--and, surprise FOX and the wingnuts are DEAD silent about that). How is that cons suddenly know so much about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd? And how is it that cons can believe that two people could be so powerful when, prior to '06, Republicans had been in control of Congress for the previous decade?This totally amazes me. ;-(

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