Behold the Hypocrisy - The Outrage Threshold on the Left »
Posted By pc25 10 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsJim Morin of the Miami Herald has the best editorial cartoon on the Barack Obama - Rick Warren flap I’ve yet seen, and it points out not just hypocrisy but also the interesting threshold for outrage on the Left.
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pc2510 months, 2 weeks ago
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They see a one-time association over a 60-second invocation as a betrayal of their values, when Obama’s twenty years with, and significant material support for, a raving anti-American demagogue like Wright didn’t disturb them in the least?-
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I don't see how anything can really outrage the Right.
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Seriously.
I find that the right is so callous, so embittered, so mercilessly humorless, and so pathological, there is literally NOTHING that the Right feels any reservations about saying.
For instance, I just got this PM from DropKickALib.
"Stick to molesting children instead of me, Gimpy.
Now granted, Droppy is one of the most perverted of my fellow Christian Conservatives ... nevertheless ... this fellow has a strong following among those among the right.
And as pc25 says .... "you shall know them by the friends they keep".
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mesodude10 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc, I realize that people like you labor under the delusion that you alone get to define what it means to be American or un-American but the fact is, you don't. You don't get to define what a family is for everyone else, you don't get to define what a marriage is for everyone else and you don't get to define what socialism is for everyone else. You can only define it for yourself. In short, you're not the boss of me, Rev Wright, or anyone else. You may not like what he has to say about his country but that's his right and you can't take it away. ;-(
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pc2510 months, 2 weeks ago
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KNOW THE TRUTH
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pc2510 months, 2 weeks ago
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http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Denver/McCain_Oba...
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I live in a very Conservative City ... and I can tell you ... it is hardly open to diversity.
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If you look around, the more Conservative a city ... the less it is frequented by visitors and tourists.
We've visited San Francisco three or four times on vacation, and we LOVE it!
We love the openness, the diversity, and the acceptance.
Probably what hardliners living in San Fran who feel they are not accepted can probably be explained by this .... hardline intolerance is simply not tolerated by people who are open to all voices.
See?
It's not that people living in SF are against you personally libsR and Spinward ... it's just that ... they've long since progressed beyond those who stand in judgement ... and those who have backwards views on the world.
These people are vigilant against hatred.
That's all.
Gotta go ... my wife has a "Honey Do" list for me.!
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icono110 months, 2 weeks ago
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Duplicity is the foundation of political life.
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It was politically expedient for Hussein to be associated with a radical black pastor and the American gay movement because it brought in votes for 'The Messiah'. Now that he is the president elect, 'The 0ne' needs to be more politically realistic and cozy up to the so called Christian Conservatives because of the huge voting block they represent in hopes of winning them over and being able to count on their voting block for the 2012 presidential election.
This also gives him the appearance, and I stress the word appearance, of being either a true political centrist or slightly right of center.-
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hey there friend!
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Ooops.
Sorry ... you prefer to use the greeting of your native land ... and the land of your allegiance ... the Soviet Union.
I gather where you got your name. From your long association with Soviet Trade Unions.
http://congress.phys.msu.ru/iconolat07/index.php?r...
Is it difficult for you to navigate within a free nation?
I've found that immigrants to this nation usually gravitate towards the Modern Republican Party ... as it reflects the values of other Totalitarian Regimes ... such as your beloved Soviet Union.
Plus, did you know that Neo-Conservative Ideology is patterned upon the old Soviet Union framework of Military Hegemonism?
Of course you did, comrade.
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pc2510 months, 2 weeks ago
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Obama wanted "street cred" hence the association with Wright........and now with his apparent shift to the center and the annoyance it is causing with the left he is going to cozy up to Rick Warren and the Christian Conservative base......you can say one thing for sure about Obama, THE MAN HAS NO SHAME
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jordan1110 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yep, my outrage lies with jackasses who use trash talk against my fellow Americans, and then spit on the Constitution by trying to vote away their rights. Bigots have no justifiable reason or excuse for their wacky behavior. Obama's pastor is an angry man who by the way didn't come by that anger without reason. I don't like the way he expresses it, but I don't fault him for having it.
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, that is certainly a point of view, of sorts, I guess.
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UncontrollableScaldingTruth
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In 2008 Barack Hussein Obama did this nation a most wonderful favor,
of not talking down to it. While previous elections had seemed to say, 'liars win',
- he told the truth.
While Rove and company had all but proven that those who wave a flag and a bible don't need to actualy say anything,
- Obama treated the electorate as though it were capable of handling complex isues, and making balanced judgments.
And the electorate reciprocated.
Those like Pc25 and company, who spent the election in Uncontrolable Scalding Diahrrhea of fraud, are horribly embittered by the failure of that strategy. Their lies failed. .
The truth makes you free,
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UncontrollableScaldingDiarrhea10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Obamatons didn't get the message. Obama is crap stuffed in a suit. He'll say anything to fool as many people as possible or he'll try to side step issues so as not to take a stand like all of his "present" votes at his last job.
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For instance, since we're talking about Warren, he couldn't even give the guy a straight answer about when human rights begin. The answer was above his pay grade. Well, it's not anymore. God help any baby who escapes the executioner's tongs.-
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UncontrollableScaldingDiarrhea10 months, 2 weeks ago
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What?
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" [TheOne] treated the electorate as though it were capable of handling complex isues, and making balanced judgments."
Here's TheOne's platform:
Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, and er...um... I'm going to create jobs.
Go watch interviews of TheOne's voters. They're clueless. You could give the average Obamaton McCain's platform and the Obamatom would agree with it thinking it was TheOne's positions.
The Daily GAS is already whining about TheOne's cabinet selections. Those morans just did not listen. A guy who has acted out of political expedience his entire career is not going to use them, right? I mean he'd use Wrigt and Ayers to get ahead, but not us Obamatons, right? Ha, Ha, Ha, Obamatons, you dupes. You're like lambs, we open the gate so you can escape the slaughter and you just stand there bleating, "Hope, Change, Hope, Change..."
I feel sorry for blacks too. Now they have no excuse because TheOne took the top spot and TheOne is going to set the movement by decades when he gets done with his Obamanation of an administration.
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nostalgia10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have watched several news segments discussing Obama's choice of Rick Warren
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It was interesting that the 3 different Democratic strategists said basically the same thing - must be the DNC talking points on the issue:
Obama is showing that he wants to be inclusive
Gays and lesbians are angry about the choice BUT where else are they going to go - certainly not to the Republican party
One strategist even went so far as to say that even without every gay and lesbian vote Obama would still have won the election
The disdain for this constituency group exhibited by the Democrats is breath taking
Of course the strategists were correct - where are the gay and lesbians going to go?? They will vote Democrat in the next election and then wonder what happened when the next politician turns their back on them
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jaern10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Spinward10 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's tiring to keep hearing of all of the atrocities committed by Bush... WHEN NOBODY CAN NAME ANY.
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Wire tap your phone? No.
Take away your rights to free speech? Clearly not.
Backed down from terrorists and gave them their own state? Not at all.
Stood by and let others attack us without fighting back? Nope.
Extended citizen's rights to captured terrorists? No.
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HMMace10 months, 2 weeks ago
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IF ANYONE EXPECTS A CHANGE IN WASHINGTON--DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH...OBAMA IS JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN...NO BETTER, AND I PRAY--NO WORSE...ONE TRHING I DO KNOW--HE ELECTION HAS BEEN RUNB AN A SCAM OF GIGABTIC SIZE...IF ANY ONE HAD USED THIER BRAIN TO VOTE--WE WOULD HAVE ELECTED--"NONE OF THE ABOVE?...
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BOTH PARTOES HAVE SCREWED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..
ONLY A REVOLUTION WILL CORRECT THIS..
TODAY I HEARD WHERE KENNEDY WANT CLINTONS SEAT IN THE SENATE, BUT--SOMEONE SAID SHE WAS NOT QUALIFIED...WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP--TO BE QUALIFIED--ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS --"BREATH"..
OH--AND BEING A NATUAL BORN RESIDENT--MAYBE--THEN AGAIN WE GOT OBAMA...-
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Where did you have it last?
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Have you looked under your bed?
It will be in the last place you look.
Did it have your name on it?
Ask at the desk.
I saw Poulenc putting a comment into his coat pocket, but I am not accusing him just saying.
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Poulenc10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Astounding: bitter anger from the right denouncing bitter anger on the left.
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To get to the article--it's not either-or, is it? That is, one can deplore Obama anointing Warren and still have other, noncondemnatory opinions about his other questionable associations.
The bottom line: politics is and always we'll be about expediency no matter who practices it. In the end, some can be said to have done good, others not, or not so. -
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mothstone10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm a registered Republican - and I've been doing some hard thinking about my party after this recent flap with Chip Saltzman and his controversial c.d. I started thinking about a great song, “You're a Grand Old Flag” where one of the lines goes, “... where's there's never a boast or a brag” Well, that's how America used to be. We didn't used to be braggarts. Like the toughest guy in town, we didn't go around waving flags and demanding everybody stand up and shout U.S. A.....U.S.A. and wear a flag lapel pin. Tough sincere men are quiet and honorable. They don't lie. I'll admit, I get embarrassed when I hear chicken Hawks like Mr. Limbaugh and Hannity. . Guys who never stood up for America other than yell at other people for drummed up reasons for citing their lack of patriotism. It strated reminding me of a friend I had in High school who was fat and weak but always hung out with the big football players inciting them to fight his battles and then hiding behind them. I think we started all this bragging after we lost the Vietnam War. . . lost it to little guys with heart! That's when the braggarts started saying, “Well, we could have whipped them if we just bomb them back to the stone age!” But that doesn't hold any water because if you let the Cong bomb us back to the stone age then they would have won! I think American guys have become wimps! After 911 I'm convinced of it. American men, instead of saying “I'm not going to get intimidated by some ********* terrorist and let them change the way I live” started riding around in pick up trucks with huge flags waving from the back. They put up with this yellow and orange and red alert horse manuere to keep everybody scared so our own government could let their friends steal the country blind from within. If you said anything other than . . U.S.A.... U.S.A. You were unpatriotic! But the truth remains that Americans especially us Republicans were afraid to stand up even for our blessed bill of rights! But, kick me for being an optimist. I believe it's not too late to get our honor back. First order of business is educating ourselves on the issues by actually listening to several points of view. Second is telling toxic liers like Rush Limbaugh to stop betraying our trust!
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fiftynine10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I agree with a lot of your post..but this.."after we lost the Vietnam War"..We,the vets that fought in that war lost nothing...it was the politicians that lost that war,not the soldier,so the next time please leavewe(me and my brothers )out of it.WE did our job.
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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mothstone ... it's a pleasure to read your comment.
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While not being a registered Republican, I enjoyed the freedom to vote for Republicans ... until Newt Gingrich hooked them to the Christian Evangelical, Jerry Falwell party.
I have been greatly saddened at the loss of opportunity to be left with only Democrats to vote for.
Because, I am simply NOT going to vote for candidates who PRIDE themselves on Hating Minorities, Homosexuals ... who are all too willing to spend ANY amount of money on WAR and Foreign Excursions ... while they whine and complain that even ONE DIME is too much to provide to our Senior Citizens and for Education.
The inherent bitterness that is required to be a Modern Republican is so repugnant to me ...
Besides, why in the world would ANYONE vote for a Modern Republican ... when they run their campaigns based on the idea that Government is BAD?
What ... I should have voted for George W. Bush because he believes Government IS the problem?
What did anyone expect him to do in office? He doesn't respect how Government can work ...
Why should anyone be surprised at the Bush Administration's incompetent response to Katrina.
Why should anyone be surprised at their refusal to monitor unsecured mortgage trading?
Why should anyone be surprised at their refusal to investigate Madoff?
Why should anyone be surprised at the Bush Administration's absolute incompetence fighting wars in Iraq?
Thanks for your comment mothstone.
And to 59, I'm sure that mothstone is not pointing a finger at the troops who fought in Vietnam. We all hold responsibility for that mess.
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mmrhe10 months, 2 weeks ago
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The article just serves as a reminder of one of the very basic differences between the Right and Left in American politics.
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The Left has always been ok with questioning authority and slightly paranoid about who Uncle Sam REALLY stands up for.
Hence, the lack of "outrage" at most of Rev. Wrights comments.
The Left is highly intolerant of one group pointing it's collective finger at another as inferior and undeserving of equal treatment.
And so it follows,pc25, that what this small minded hack from Miami sees as hypocrisy is really just the Left being the Left.
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Spinward10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The Left is highly intolerant of one group pointing it's collective finger at another as inferior and undeserving of equal treatment."
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Have you ever tried being a conservative in San Francisco? They deserve their right to storm your church, but you don't have the right to stop their parade.
Have you ever had a liberal scratch the hell out of your car because you drove on "Bike day"? He deserves his rights to bike, but you don't deserve your rights to drive?
Have you ever tried earning more money than your liberal neighbor? He deserves to keep his, but you don't deserve to keep yours?
Liberals favor THEIR rights, but not the rights of others.
Liberals don't believe in anyone achieving more than them. That's why "redistributing wealth" is ok with them... IT'S NOT THEIR WEALTH.
I believe in fair treatment of all colors, races, religions, and income groups. That's why I'm a conservative.
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Spinward10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Let us remember that the LEFT generated the controversy over Rick Warren being involved, not the right AND it is fascinating that Rick Warren, a well-published author who has helped thousands in their daily lives is considered MORE INFURIATING than Reverand Wright - Obama's pastor of 20 years.
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vandeewine-5310 months, 2 weeks ago
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The right complaining about hypocrisy? Wow. That's rich. This from the same group who vehemently supports the 2nd amendment yet wants to shred and trample all over the 1st? Who lectures us all about morals and "family values" yet has leaders like Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Tom DeLay, Larry Craig, Scooter Libby, Thomas Ravenel, David Vitter, Ted Stevens, etc, etc, etc?
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frctm510 months, 2 weeks ago
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The difference between these two associations is the inaugural is a high profile event that to some degree sets the tone for the new administration where as Reverend Wright was just Obama's Reverend with whom he may or may not have had much agreement with his more radical views. Reverend Wrights extreme views are judged harshly by white Americans who have never known the sting of prejudice as they are the dominant culture and take this status for granted. When you are on the receiving end of discrimination and prejudice, your apt to be less charitable. When your dignity is constantly under assault it is difficult to maintain an emotional equilibrium. These two situations are not analogous in the minds of those who have some depth to their thinking. If I had to vet all my long term relationships for their views and opinions, these would be all over the map and so would nearly everyone's in this forum unless they are loners living in isolation. The objection stems from the choice made in the context and with the foreknowledge of the nature of this event with all the potent symbolism it contains. I would not expect most on the right to understand this since they are more emotional than rational. They are constantly on guard for those incidence that trigger their own outrage which is central to the raison d'etre.
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 2 weeks ago
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It was fun during the election; the right would swerve like a drunk driver from one talking-point lie to another,
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- even when they were mutualy incompatable lies.
Obama was an elitist, or else he was a marxist, he had the most liberal voting record, or else he had never done anything; he was inexperienced, he was trained in Chicago ninja politics, etcetea on to hellish etcetera.
Has the fun wore off?
Does the babbling of the right, no longer bring a smile?
President elect Obama has chosen a conservative preacher to pray at the inauguration.
The preacher is the kind of guy who turns to his own congregation and says, 'are you sure we are right? Maybe we aren't'.
Good choice.
What is the current Republican spin on this?
Obama is betraying the left by not doing the things the right accused him of secretly intending.
Has the fun of listening to this babble, worn off?
Can it still make us smile?
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frctm510 months, 2 weeks ago
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Excellent! We might add to this the hypocrisy of the right when they rallied around McCain, the sell out, closet liberal, and Rino. They were quick to overlook or mask over all the sins they so rabidly accused him of when he became their party's choice for president. No candidate is ever a perfect reflection of our views and we always have to take the good with the bad. That is a natural compromise that occurs in every election and a point so obvious it shouldn't require elucidation. The fact that during election seasons we minimize the flaws and maximize the virtues of our respective candidates should come as news to no one. We might add that there is no unanimity of opinion on the left as to Obama's qualifications or strengths for this office and I am sure that there are many who voted for him as the lesser of two evils. The fact that people on the left are far more ready to criticize their own choice of leader demonstrates a far healthier diversity of opinion and independence of judgment than the lock step, defend our leader at any cost, attitude that prevails among the right. The only occasion where there were any significant rumblings among their brainwashed hoards against Bush was on the issue of immigration. Other than this, he pretty much received blanket approval for his actions. We may continue to expect people on the left to criticize Obama. That is what people do when they think for themselves.
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