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Posted By israeligirl1 10 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsIn a rare expression of solidarity with Israel, Egyptian Foreign Minister came out in support of Israel's side. He puts the responsibility of the current situation squarely on Hamas, saying the writing was on the wall. Israel and Egypt repeatedly warned that continued rocket fire would lead to military action and Hamas just didn't listen.
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rightfromwrong10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Unfortunately, Egypt in now considered another stooge of the USA foreign policy. How come the USA allows uses it's veto when the UN has a resolution demanding that Israel give back territory which Israel has seized.
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America war on terrorism is so phony. The USA exports more terrorism than any other country and tries to overthrow any leader who wants to make things better for their poor and middle class. Milton Friedman and his Chicago cronies were economic terrorists and didn't care how many people died from torture,death squads or disappearance so long as money funneled up to the already super rich. America is an economic terrorist country-
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Egypt has been a US client state for some time now. Those who want to end zionist crimes against humanity will first have to root the zionist traitors out of the US government. American jews should take the lead in this - they risk an enormous anti-jewish blowback if they do not soon show that they place loyalty to America ahead of loyalty to zionist abominations. We Americans need to start listening to real jews rather than pseudo-jewish zionist criminals.
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Explaining the Long — and Largely Untold — History of Jewish Opposition to Zionism
A THREAT FROM WITHIN: A CENTURY OF JEWISH OPPOSITION TO ZIONISM,
by Yakov M. Rabkin,
While many in Israel and in Jewish communities in the U.S. and other countries now promote the idea that Zionism and Judaism are, in effect, the same and that opposition to Zionism constitutes “anti-Semitism,” the historical fact — largely untold — is that, for most of its history, Zionism has been a decidedly minority movement among Jews throughout the world.
Since its inception as a political movement in 1897, both Reform and Orthodox Jews rejected Zionism’s basic premise of creating a Jewish state in Palestine and having Jews either emigrate to it or, at the very least, consider it “central” to their Jewish identity.
An overwhelming majority of Orthodox Jews, unwilling to accept the restoration of a Jewish state in Palestine by means other than divine intervention, considered Zionism a false messianic movement. Most Jewish liberals and socialists, having accepted the faith of the Enlightenment, with its emphasis on optimism, reason and progress, rejected Zionism as a reactionary philosophy. ....
... In the forward, Joseph Agassi, professor of Philosophy at Tel Aviv University, notes that, “The author raises questions about the myth that Israel protects the Jews around the world and constitutes their natural homeland. This book rightly shows that this myth is anti-Jewish. ... -
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BigBadJohn66610 months, 2 weeks ago
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There will never be peace as long as the FILTY CULT of islam exists. There is no need to make a peace treaty because the muslims will break it every time. If you read the koran and haddiths and have half a brain, you should see what an evil filthy phoney cult it is. moehammad was probably the most evil man that ever lived and there is no way he is a prophet of a god. If allah is anything at all it would have to be a satanic being.
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cowboygrandpa10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, if you are my neighbor and ya keep trying to destroy what is mine. I will peaceably speak with ya a few times, then I will get the authorities involved. If that doesn't solve it.
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Well you are going to have a serious freaking problem !!!!
That is what Hamas is facing. A serious freaking problem !!!
They brouhgt it upon themselves and deserve what they get. I will not be glad for the children who will die, but then again how many will Hamas kill if given the chance ????
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well yes gramps. The racist zionist colonialists from eastern europe have been trying to rob, kill, expell or put in concentration camps millions of christians and moslems for over a century now. The zionists will have to give back what they have stolen if there is to be peace. Here is an israeli jew from whom you should learn.
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The ethnic cleansing of Palestine
By Ilan Pappe
University of Haifa, Israel
Can you tell ZNet, please, what your new book, "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine" is about? What is it trying to communicate?
The book tries to show that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinain people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing (whereas Israeli historians, including 'new historians', claimed that the war was waged by the Arab world against the state of Israel in order to eliminate it and it resulted in expulsions of Palestinians). The Arab world tried to prevent this cleansing, but was too fragmented, self-centered and ineffective to stop the uprooting of half of Palestine's native population, the destruction of half of its villages and towns and the killing of thousands of its people.
And since that ethnic cleansing was successfully implemented in almost 80% of Palestine without any global or regional repercussions - the ethnic cleansing policy continues ever since 1967 in the remaining 20% of the country. Creating a Jewish state in historical Palestine cleansed of Palestinians is still the ideolgoical infrastructure on which the state of Israel is based. How to achieve this goal is a divisive issue between Left Zionists - hoping to negotiate a settlement that would leave a small number of Palestinains in a greater Israel and the Right Zionsts willing to implement a more direct cleasning policy from the same area even today.
The book uses the accepted scholarly definition of Ethnic Cleansing to show its academic as well legal applicability to the case of Palestine and argues that since in the eyes of the world - including the State Department and the UN - ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, this how we should view the Israeli actions in the past and ISrael's policies in the present.....
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AnteUp10 months, 2 weeks ago
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One thing I fail to understand is why the Israelis targeted the security forces -
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the POLICE - of Gaza. Does anyone really think the police of Gaza were the
ones launching the rockets at Sderot, or Ashkelon? The Israelis have massacred
the very forces that are there to maintain civil order.
Another glaring inequity is the fact that most coverage acts as if this is a CONFLICT -
a WAR, if you will. Have you seen any military machinery employed by the Gazans?
The most I have seen is people throwing STONES. Where is this military might
that threatens the state of Israel? This is SLAUGHTER by a very high tech army
against a civilian population.
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orndorffter10 months, 2 weeks ago
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hang in there girl, I.v just submitted a nother one on this war , with two I have I have had some critic but Im jusrt going to hang in there. You know as I write to you I catch my head ducking , I can actually see this in my mind. by the way story great.
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Albmore10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hammas has thrown 200 missles into Isreal provoking this conflict. One missle in the US or Europe and to say the least Russia would have been a response with even greater circumstances. Isreal has evry right to defend itself and has been more than patience.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Nah, has to do with the zionists recreating the Warsaw Ghetto: herd the population off their land and property, place them in open air concentration camps and kill them if they resist. Why not just recognize international law and let the Gazans reutrn to their land and property inside Israel. That will be necessary to stop the zionist state from committing a bloody suicide.
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GAZA REFUGEE CAMP PROFILES
The Gaza Strip is unique amongst UNRWA's five fields of operations as the majority of its population is refugees and over half of the refugees live in eight camps. Most of the people who fled to the Gaza Strip as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war were from Jaffa, towns and villages south of Jaffa, and from the Beersheva area in the Negev. In all, some 200,000 refugees came to Gaza, whose original inhabitants numbered only 80,000. Such an influx severely burdened this narrow strip of land; an area of only 360 square kilometers. Over three-quarters of the current estimated population of some 1.4 million are registered refugees; representing 22.42 per cent of all UNRWA registered Palestine refugees....
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tchef10 months, 2 weeks ago
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These are not lethal missiles like other countries have. These are basically large model rockets with no guidance system like you would get at a hobby shop. They are more of a nuisance than a threat. Here is a link to a website that describes the rockets and their effect.
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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0279...
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Edmar1410 months, 2 weeks ago
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Come on Hyperbola, Let's hear again about the big bad Israel wolf is picking on the little old Palestinians who are doing nothing but sitting in their cafes sipping coffee. When Egypt and other arab countries speak out against Hamas, it must have some merit, but I guess it doesn't have any merit to you at all. Obviously, "rightfromwrong" doesn't know right from wrong either. How stupid can you get. Egypt and Israel have a de facto peace at best but are hardly best buddies. And it must fill his agenda to declare that Egypt is a stooge of the US. Maybe, just maybe Egypt is telling it like it is. Unfortunately, Hamas will continue not to listen and will pay a very heavy price for any continued agression. How stupid can one group be? The Palestinians must also bear blame for not trying to stop Hamas from putting them in Harm's Way.
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HMMace10 months, 2 weeks ago
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THE PRPB;EM IS THAT WE--THE REST OF THE WORLD HAVE BEEN TOO NICE TO THE MUSLOIMS FPOR ABOUT THREE HUNDRED YEARS...NNOW THE MUSLIMS INTERPET THIS AS WEAKNESS,, TOO BAD--MANY MUSL9IMS WILL DIE FOR THIS MISTAKE....
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IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR A MR. NOBEL--THE PALS WOULD HAVE NO TNT TO TIE AROUND THIER KIDS BELLYS--HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE WRIGHT BROTHERS, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE CAUSE 9-11-- GET THE DRIFT HERE????
AFTER WE ARE WEINED OFF OIL--I HOPE WE LEVEL ALL THE MUSLIMS COUNTRYS...AND DESTROY ALL THIER OIL WELLS.. ITS HARD NOT TO HATE THE MUSLIMS TODAY..
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well Edmar, you zionist killers still haven't advanced beyond your millenia old habits of genocide. Here is an israeli jew you should learn from.
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Mamilla Pool
... By 614 Palestine was a part of the Roman successor state, the Byzantine Empire. It was a prosperous, predominantly Christian land of well-developed agriculture, of harnessed water systems and carefully laid terraces. Pilgrims came in flocks to the Holy places. The Constantine-built edifices of the Ascension on the Mount of Olives and of the Holy Sepulchre were among the man-made wonders of the world. The Judean wilderness was enlivened by eighty monasteries, where precious manuscripts were collected and prayers offered. The Fathers of the church, St Jerome of Bethlehem and Origen and Eusebius of Caesarea, were still a living memory. One of the best Palestinian writers, on a par with the Minor Prophets, blessed John Moschos, just completed his Spiritual Meadow.
There was also a small, wealthy Jewish community living in their midst, mainly in Tiberias on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Their scholars had just completed their version of the Talmud, the codification of their faith, Rabbinic Judaism; but for instruction they deferred to the prevailing Jewish community in Persian Babylonia.
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In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught...
... This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:
They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.
The Oxford Professor Henry Hart Milman's History of the Jews describes it in stronger terms:
It had come at length, the long-expected hour of triumph and vengeance; and the Jews did not neglect the opportunity. They washed away the profanation of the holy city in Christian blood. The Persians are said to have sold the miserable captives for money. The vengeance of the Jews was stronger than their avarice; not only did they not scruple to sacrifice their treasures in the purchase of these devoted bondsmen, they put to death all they had purchased at a lavish price. It was a rumour of the time that 90,000 perished.
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orndorffter10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Enough is enough, Isreal has the right to defend themselfs, go get Isreal use everything you got. they didn't care when they were hurting Isreal people. I well stand beside Isreal and well not turn my back on them, why must Isreal suffer and not return back what Harmas has done to them. I say Blast the h... out of them. Go Isreal give them everything you have got, You have took enough from them now they know how it feels.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Frankly there is no reason why the world should recognize any "right to defend itself" by a racist, totalitarian state like zionist israel. Why would the world want to perpetrate the nazi-style ideology adopted by zionists in Palestine? You support the ideas of "master race", "subhumans", "living space for the master race" and "ethnic cleansing / genocide for the subhumans" that both the nazis and zionists expouse? (see below)
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I certainly hope you are not american. NO american should support such abominations. If ou are in America, it is clear that you do not believe in the basic principles of our democracy and should move to your country of first loyalty instead of trying to dupe Americans into supporting zionist crimes against humanity. Here is an ameican jew who can tell you about the nature of zionism - you should read his book.
51 Documents:
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published my 1st book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators....
There are six selections re Zionism's relationship to anti-Semitism and racism prior to Hitler....
...Zionism convicts itself. On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:
"Zionism believes that a rebirth of national life, such as is occurring in German life through adhesion to Christian and national values, must also take place in the Jewish national group. For the Jew, too, origin, religion, community of fate and group consciousness must be of decisive significance in the shaping of his life. This means that the egotistic individualism which arose in the liberal era must be overcome by public spiritedness and by willingness to accept responsibility."
... Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany." -
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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The zionists have spent over a century committing crimes against humanity in Palestine. Honest, moral jews told us that over a century ago. You have to be far into racist sects to claim isarel is fighting back.
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Jewish Criticism of Zionism
... Israel Zangwill, one of Herzl's earliest and strongest supporters, eventually turned against the idea of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Ironically it was Zangwill who coined the phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land." It was this phrase that became the potent rallying call for Zionist settlement in Palestine.14
It was not until 1904 that Zangwill realized that there was a fundamental problem with the Zionist program. In a speech given in New York in that year he explained:
There is. . . a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it. Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having 52 souls to every square mile, and not 25 percent of them Jews; so we must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the tribes in possession as our forefathers did, or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan.. . . This is an infinitely graver difficulty than the stock anti-Zionist taunt that nobody would go to Palestine if we got it. . . .15
Zangwill and many other leading Zionists split from the movement in 1905 ....
http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp
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Justice4All10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I've noticed that people who support Israel never disagree with me. They always use the tactic of distorting things or simply making things up. It must upset them to be wrong and have nothing logical to say.
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Justice4All10 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is a standard military tactic. When France was occupied in WW2 there were still people willing to put up a fight at any cost. Tha Nazi's made it clear that 10 or more people would be executed for every German killed in Germany (occupied France). It worked very well and most people got the message. But there were some that just wouldn't learn and kept on attacking the occupying Germans. But the attacks were kept to a mininum.
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Israel is using the same tactic. Hamas is launching rockets into Israel (occupied Palestine) and has killed one person. Israel response by killing hundreds. The attacks wont stop but they will be kept to a minimum.
Maybe it will end like WW2. Maybe the worlds armies will all get together and liberate Palestine. But in the meantime we can expect Israel to continue it's war against the civilian population and that will keep resistance to a mininum.-
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Thinker2210 months, 2 weeks ago
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> Did I or anyone else on Propeller ever say they wanted the Jews to be exterminated??
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The Hamas Charter said it... Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas... and you're supporting Palestinians in Gaza, my friend.
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avoth10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Did I or anyone else on Propeller ever say they wanted the Jews to be exterminated??"
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You're not that honest. You will understand if people extrapolate your position to its logical conclusion.
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avoth10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Maybe it will end like WW2. "
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You hoping that millions of Jews will be exterminated again?
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AnteUp10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Justice4All ~
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Your comment -"Israel is using the same tactic"
Who among us would have thought in 1948, that by 2008 the world would WATCH
(and the whole world IS just watching) the Israelis not only USE - but perfect those
tactics?
The walls, the restriction of movement carried out for decades, deliberate ruin to
Palestinian businesses, restriction of trade, closing the Universities, restricting
the delivery of food and medical aid, denial of work permits to Palestinians for
anything other than the most menial jobs, kidnapping Palestinians from within
THEIR territory and imprisoning them - again, for decades - with NO charges!
The list goes on, but the tactic is the same; ratchet up the tension, the sense
of hopelessness, and the daily misery for ALL citizens and sooner or later
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Thinker2210 months, 2 weeks ago
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> Maybe the worlds armies will all get together and liberate Palestine.
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There is no need for the "worlds armies to get together and liberate Palestine". Gaza is already "liberated" and the liberated Palestinians celebrate their freedom as we speak. The West Bak will be equally "liberated" sooner rather than later.
An alternative way to "liberate Palestine" is for the Palestinian Arabs to stop violence and ask for peace. Israel will gladly agree.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Isn't it ironic that the zionists created Hamas in their efforts to ethnic cleanse millions of christians and moslems from Palestine!
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Hamas, Son of Israel
The Israelis birthed and nurtured their Islamist nemesis
by Justin Raimondo
Amid all the howls of pain and gnashing of teeth over the triumph of Hamas in the Palestinian elections, one fact remains relatively obscure, albeit highly relevant: Israel did much to launch Hamas as an effective force in the occupied territories. If ever there was a clear case of "blowback," then this is it. As Richard Sale pointed out in a piece for UPI:
"Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel 'aided Hamas directly – the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization),' said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic [and International] Studies. Israel's support for Hamas 'was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative,' said a former senior CIA official."
Middle East analyst Ray Hanania concurs:
"In addition to hoping to turn the Palestinian masses away from Arafat and the PLO, the Likud leadership believed they could achieve a workable alliance with Islamic, anti-Arafat forces that would also extend Israel's control over the occupied territories." ....
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8449
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gary1012200010 months, 2 weeks ago
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I HATE THAT ANYONE FROM ANY COUNTRY HAS TO DIE IN WAR BUT I GET TIRED OF ALL THE SYMPATHY FOR ARABS AND PALESTINIANS AND MUSLIMS I JUST WATCHED A DOCUMENTARY LAST NIGHT ABOUT HOW THE MUSLIMS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH CONQUERED MOST OF AFRICA AND ENSLAVED ITS PEOPLE, AS FAR A SLAVERY GOES WHAT THEY DID MADE AMERICAN SLAVERY ON NATIVE AFRICANS LOOK MILD AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD THEM APOLOGIZE FOR IT SO HUMANITY IS AT BEST WAR MONGERING BY NATURE AND APART FROM A REAL HEART RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THAT LOVES ALL PEOPLE, NOT THE GODS OF INDIVIDUAL RELIGIONS THAT FOSTER HATE TOWARD ALL PEOPLE WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM. AMERICA IS NO GUILTIER THAN ANY OTHER NATION JUST MORE POWERFUL.
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texaspilot210 months, 2 weeks ago
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the Hamas factions launching the rockets into Israel are nothing more than HUNS, uneducated barbarians who have neither a job nor an education. The have two choices in life, live in a refugee camp or go fight- They could care less about the origins of this conflict, the live for the adrenaline rush of doing something wrong and illegal and horrific. They are lawbreaking idiots who dont care if they kill innocent women and children- they live to kill, and thus need to be killed. they fight thier 10 year old boys like roosters to defend the family honor- they are beyond saving or retraining and the few educated Hamas leaders are to busy lining thier pockets with resistance donations like yassar arrafat to care. Israel is stuck at the center of the world stage with few "nice" options.
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AnteUp10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well - they could invite those nice little Jewish girls to come
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and KISS the bombs, and write hate messages to the recipients
like they did in the Lebanon War. Such a loving gesture for any
country to encourage their children to participate in - dont you think?
Your characterization in SO infantile! Arabs = BAD Want to KILL, KILL, KILL!
While Jews are ALWAYS victims who want nothing more than to live side-by-side
with their fellow men in PEACE. Grow up!
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texaspilot210 months, 2 weeks ago
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The people in this Blog bring up history from many many years ago and right or wrong it has nothing to do with the young men launching rockets - they are indiscriminately killing and forever dooming any chance Hamas has of effecting politial change.
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reallypsst10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Most people want to live in peace ,the problem with many countries is the outside militant fanatics who entice ignorant people to war and suicide.These evil militants travel throughout the world spreading their hatred for peaceful and prosperous people.They are very well funded and use religion to infect the poor and weak with hatred and destruction.These scum of the earth must be driven out and countries who secretly support them must be held accountable.It seems that in most cultures religion is their worst flaw it makes people take the most basic rule of life for granted and takes away common sense and reason!
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well that is what white South Africans also said about their racist state. I agree with you that we should have put an end to the violent zionist terrorists long ago. Do you mean that we Americans should now take responsibility for our support of the zionist racist terrorists? Here is a prominent Israeli jew that would welcome your support in ridding the world of zionism.
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The Holocaust is Over: We Must Rise from its Ashes
Avraham Burg was a pillar of the Israeli establishment but his new book is causing a sensation. It argues that his country is an "abused child" which has become a "violent parent". And his solutions are radical, as he explains to Donald Macintyre.
Burg was a blue-chip member of that same Zionist establishment. The son of a long-serving government minister, from the time of David Ben-Gurion's government, he has a classic top-drawer Israeli profile. True, he was on the left: after army service as a paratroop officer and graduating from Hebrew University he was a star of the movement against the first Lebanon war – his charisma if anything enhanced by the fact than unlike many of his comrades he was religious. He was injured in the grenade attack by a right-wing fanatic on a Peace Now protest in 1983 which killed another demonstrator, Emil Grunzweig. But he was quickly swept into mainstream public life, becoming first an adviser to the then Prime minister Shimon Peres, then a Knesset member, then Speaker of the Knesset, head of the Jewish agency and the World Zionist Organisation and the almost-victorious candidate for the Labour Party leadership in 2001.
...The implication of Burg's analysis, one that perhaps only an Israeli would have dared promote, is that the fostered memory of the Holocaust hovers destructively over every aspect of Israeli political life – including its relations with the Palestinians since the 1967 Six Day War and the subsequent occupation. "We have pulled the Shoah out of its historical context," he writes, "and turned it into a plea and generator for every deed. All is compared to the Shoah, dwarfed by the Shoah and therefore all is allowed – be it fences , sieges ... curfews, food and water deprivation or unexplained killings. All is permitted because we have been through the Shoah and you will not tell us how to behave."
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sop868910 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hyperbola- You keep saying that the Israelis STOLE the land... but in the 6 day war and the Yom Kippur War... THEY were attacked and WON those wars. Which is how they obtained the land. If they had not been attacked then, they would not have the land now.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well sop, first of all the zionist campaign to ethnic cleanse Palestine started in the late 19th century. They have been robbing, killing, expelling and putting in concentration camps christians and moslems ever since. Second, the UN charter explicitly states that land cannot be gained as spoils of war.
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Are you aware of the fact that the UN Security Council REJECTED any partition of Palestine and was in the process of setting up a single state with equal rights for all independent of race or religion when the zionists started their major ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948?
Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews
... According to first and still existing draft of history, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is nonsense.
In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.
The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
So the partition plan was vitiated, became invalid, and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine (after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away) was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.
The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionism terrorism and ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless ….. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved. And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not take from the Palestinians by force. ...
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texaspilot210 months, 2 weeks ago
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i interviewd more than a dozen militans on the Hamas side of the fence...they did not even know the name of the Israeli leader...they did not know what year Israel was formed or how, they did not know enough to say they were fighting for a cause, they fought blindly, what a tragedy.....these fighters are being used as pawns by Hamas leaders to generate more money for the struggle, i was an associated press reporter and i never met one Israeli who wanted the fighting to continue...but everyone of the Hamas i spoke to was determined to continue killing, but to what end?? ...notice i never said ARAB...i said Hamas,.....yassar Arrafta had more than 20 million in assets when he died...money he could have used to educate his fighters instead of keeping it in his bank account....the Hamas philosophy is flawed- the battle is political....not military.....learn from history...dont repeat its mistakes!
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well texas, I did read an article recently that pointed out that all AP reporters in Palestine are Israelis, so we should assume your "moniker" represents an attempt to fool Americans into supporting zionist crimes against humanity.
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Rick78x10 months, 2 weeks ago
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As long as Israel and Palestine remain neighbors, there will never be peace in that region (thanks to Britain and US). Both of their(Israel and Palestine) political rulers are fanatics, and the biggest of political fanatics are in the white house in Washington, that supports Israel no matter what it does. As far as the US is concerned, Israel can do no wrong, even when its actions are blatantly obvious it is wrong (as in the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel in an attempt to blame it on Egypt). This was an unprovoked (false flag) Israeli attack on an American vessel where American sailors died, and instead of the US retaliating against Israel, President (turncoat) Johnson vehemently supported the action, even going so far (on record) to state he wanted the USS Liberty sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Now, ask yourselves who really is in control of the US government? Surely not Americans. Israel controls politcal policy in this once great nation, and private, foreign bankers control our currency. All of our productive jobs have been outsourced to other nations, hell, America doesn't even produce anything anymore except worthless motor vehicles and the existence of that fact faces an uncertain future. Until we wake the hell up to the ugly, painful realities we face in this nation, and learn to stand by what is right and truthful, instead of what is politically incorrect and lies, we stand to suffer an immeasureable fate.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is worse than that. American foreign policy is run by zionist traitors to our country that bleed us to support zionist crimes against humanity in palestine. Americans have just been duped again.
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Barack Obama: Americas First Jewish President
According to a nationally prominent Zionist spokesperson, former Congressman, Federal Judge, White House Counsel to President Bill Clinton and early backer of Obama, Abner Mikvner, “Barack Obama is the first Jewish President”. Mikvner’s affirmation reflects both Obama’s one-sided and longstanding commitment to the State of Israel and loyalty to the Zionist Power Configuration (ZPC) in the United States, as well as the long-term and successful effort of a network of financially and politically powerful Jewish Zionists to ‘embed’ Obama to their ‘Israel First’ political apparatus.
...The Chicago Jewish News, a nationally prominent Israel-First propaganda organ, published a lengthy article on ‘Obama and the Jews’ by Pauline Dubkin (October 24, 2008), which quotes approvingly a ‘long-time Jewish observer of the political scene’, who declared that, “Jews made him (Obama). Wherever you look there is a Jewish presence.” ...
This is not merely the usual arrogant self-aggrandizing boasts of a Zionist power broker, with which we are constantly bombarded on so many political topics, this reflects an important part of what Obama has become, especially in advancing his latter day political ambitions. The Zionist self-promoters (ZSP), ever ready to take credit for any success (no matter how notorious and immoral) – Wall Street speculators, Ivy League professors, Pentagon militarists, cultural gurus and even the key patrons of art forms like jazz and constantly rewrite history (or biography in the case of Obama) to maximize their self-importance in all aspects of American life. The ZSP conveniently fail to mention in their articles that Obama’s white Gentile grandmother gave him the intellectual nurturing and encouragement and diligently petitioned for scholarships for him to attend elite private schools, which formed the basis for his intellectual skills to write, speak and reason as an educated man. The ZSP exclude from their ‘revisionist and Judaized’ biography of Obama, the central importance of Reverend Jeremiah Wright who transformed Obama from an elite Ivy university graduate into an effective social activist. Obama was able to participate and get involved in community organizing in Chicago’s African-American neighborhoods because of Wright’s endorsement and broad credibility. If it were not for Rev. Wright, Obama would never have had a social base or organizational experience to engage in Chicago politics. It is only after Obama had gained these skills and popular appeal that the Zionist politicos noticed him and went to work on his ego and ambitions, recruiting him to their pro-Israel agenda and financing his political career. ..
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canadianrancher5710 months, 2 weeks ago
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I just had one of those "you've got to be kidding" moments. Why don't we just move all the people out of this area, both the Israelis and Palistinians, bomb everything that is there so nothing remains then dump all our nuclear waste and toxic waste, plus all the land mines and cluster bombs on the area. We could make an area that is a bad as Hell if not worse, a place that no man can live for a thousand years, and then maybe we could start over again with peace in the region.
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The logic for this thought came from my mother who would remove a toy that my brother and I would fight over.
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mmrhe10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hamas may be playing right into the Israeli's hands by continuing their bombings.
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They are providing them with the excuse they're looking for to "Teach them a lesson".
It seems to me though that American public opinion is slowly but surely coming around to the fact that Israel is not above criticism and more importantly, it is not anti-Semitic to do so.-
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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How much choice does one have when he is being starved to death after being ethnic cleansed from his land and property? American opinion will change 180 degrees the moment we have uncensored news reporting from the mideast.
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Israel's Blockade of Gaza - Ethnic cleansing by Starvation
The latest tightening of Israel’s chokehold on Gaza – ending all supplies into the Strip for more than a week – has produced immediate and shocking consequences for Gaza’s 1.5 million inhabitants.
The refusal to allow in fuel has forced the shutting down of Gaza’s only power station, creating a blackout that pushed Palestinians bearing candles on to the streets in protest last week. A water and sanitation crisis are expected to follow.
And on Thursday, the United Nations announced it had run out of the food essentials it supplies to 750,000 desperately needy Gazans. “This has become a blockade against the United Nations itself,” a spokesman said.
In a further blow, Israel’s large Bank Hapoalim said it would refuse all transactions with Gaza by the end of the month, effectively imposing a financial blockade on an economy dependent on the Israeli shekel. Other banks are planning to follow suit, forced into a corner by Israel’s declaration in Sept 2007 of Gaza as an “enemy entity”.
There are likely to be few witnesses to Gaza’s descent into a dark and hungry winter. In the past week, all journalists were refused access to Gaza, as were a group of senior European diplomats. Days earlier, dozens of academics and doctors due to attend a conference to assess the damage done to Gazans’ mental health were also turned back....
... In truth, however, the growing catastrophe being unleashed on Gaza is only indirectly related to Hamas’s rise to power and the rocket attacks.
Of more concern to Israel is what each of these developments represents: a refusal on the part of Gazans to abandon their resistance to Israel’s continuing occupation. Both provide Israel with a pretext for casting aside the protections offered to Gaza’s civilians under international law to make them submit.
With embarrassing timing, the Israeli media revealed at the weekend that one of the first acts of Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas prime minister elected in 2006, was to send a message to the Bush White House offering a long-term truce in return for an end to Israeli occupation. His offer was not even acknowledged....
In fact, Israel’s desire to seal off Gaza and terrorise its civilian population predates even Hamas’s election victory. It can be dated to Ariel Sharon’s disengagement of summer 2005, when Fatah’s rule of the PA was unchallenged...
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