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gamahuche10 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is Robert Fisk's commentary on the Gaza situation. He has a rightful claim to be one of the most experienced journalists in the Middle Eastern and Asian environments and his overview is incisive and extremely pessimistic of the future of the Palestinians.
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Taken together with the lead story in the Independent today, referenced below, this offers a very dismal prospect. The UN has been hijacked by the US and is toothless. You and I are going to watch this tragedy unfold and be unable to prevent it. This can only be acceptable to someone with a complete failure of comprehension or someone who is willing to allow Israel a free rein to wipe out a nation and its people;
to remain silent in the face of a humanitarian tragedy.
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This is the main headline-story in today's "Independent."
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AnteUp10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thanks for the head's up, Gama. Mr. Fisk is responsible for a good deal of
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my skepticism on reports from the region. Years ago - his account of ambulances
being targeted by the Israelis in Lebanon. I had NEVER - EVER, believed that
such behaviour was possible from the Israelis. It was a very unpleasant awakening
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aceofspades110 months, 2 weeks ago
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Gamahuche - or should I call you by what your name realy means - BJ? - nice rant about the rightful heirs to the land of Israel - but when is indignation when it come to Dar fur or Chechnya or the Balkans or Georgia ? Oh yeah come think of it they ain't Jews.
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aceofspades110 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thanks for your nice offer and when you post something astoundingly brilliant about Darfur, Chechnya et al please be sure to give me a heads-up.
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Dear Mr BJ - I'm not the one posting biased articles - you are & it would be in the spirit of fairness for you to do so for other areas in turmoil- but then maybe you are too busy swallowing-
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gamahuche10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"but then maybe you are too busy swallowing"
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I think you need a new dicktionary.
If you think the article is biased make your case like a man instead of a wimp.
plenty of others have been able to do so in this very democratic environment.-
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gamahuche10 months, 2 weeks ago
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In response to your misguided - and misdirected - sexual references which are abusive since they bear no relation to the story and are directed at me constitute an ad hominem attack under propeller's TOU, I am nevertheless providing you with some corrective information, while also creating a permanent record, should it be needed in the future - i.e. if you should follow me around future threads writing similarly tiresome irritating comments.
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In addition to what is stated below here for your edification are some more comments of mine in another venue regarding ad hominem attacks:
http://propellertalk.com/category/miscellaneous/
For your basic information gamahucher is a French word which refers to the type of o r al activity which is usually referred to in English by its Latin name, as c un ni lingus. It has also, less commonly, been used to describe fell a t i o. {apologies for broken words - they all fell foul of the censor.
Its use in English does not have a long history. It is not listed in my complete Oxford English Dictionary of 1971.
Here you will find a definition:
http://www.geocities.com/erotobook/g-page.htm
Perhaps this will be of some useful help to you unless you're gay in which case there are also some references available which can google yourself, which should at least satisfy your apparent interest in the topic.
Regardless of which your interference with my story with this totally irrelevant side-play of yours has no place in the functioning of propeller and can be identified as an ad hominem attack under the TOU of propeller. It is currently preserved there in perpetuity and I suspect that you will feel more embarrassed about it than I ever will.
This current message - with some additional words of wisdom you will discover on the thread on which you offended yesterday and will exist as a permanent record, along with my present injunction to not make further ad hominem attacks. If that's all you know how to do then better to stay quiettill you attain the prooper netiquette.
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Radiofreeeuropa10 months, 2 weeks ago
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ace- you must have a terrible dictionary. Your in the wrong ball park...in fact there are no balls at all involved. Oh, and injustice knows no political boundaries, as you point out, but why would it not be OK to talk about this particular injustice without mentioning the myriads of others? Each is an individual situation with it's own dynamics. Injustice and inhumanity are found on both sides of most conflicts, this is no exception. I'm not sure I get your point other than a humorous misinterpretation of gamma's propeller name.
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aceofspades110 months, 2 weeks ago
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Gamahuche - despite your pitiful attempts at trying to make make comments about your offensive alias a personnal attack in violation of TOU - you sir, are the one in violation gamahuche whether archaic or not means ********/copulation. If you had used the name pus sy li cker or BJ - it would be an obvious violation of TOU, however, the Propeller powers that be have not seemed to grasp the actual meaning of gamahuche.
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My comments are my expression of my outrage at seeing that offensive word used as an alias - pure & simple.
The use of that alias just gives less credence to anything you might have to say, in my opinion
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why is it that you zionists always resort to the "murder argument" to try to hide your crimes against humanity ace? It goes like this:
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"If once upon a time, somewhere, there was a murderer, then I am entitled to murder anyone I choose for my own pleasure/profit."
Nice, self-serving ideology Ace. Don't you zionists have anything more rational and ethical to offer?
You know Ace, you really should stop egging israeli jews into suicide from afar (now THAT is really despicable) and begin paying attention to honest israelis.
The Holocaust is Over: We Must Rise from its Ashes
Avraham Burg was a pillar of the Israeli establishment but his new book is causing a sensation. It argues that his country is an "abused child" which has become a "violent parent". And his solutions are radical, as he explains to Donald Macintyre.
Burg was a blue-chip member of that same Zionist establishment. The son of a long-serving government minister, from the time of David Ben-Gurion's government, he has a classic top-drawer Israeli profile. True, he was on the left: after army service as a paratroop officer and graduating from Hebrew University he was a star of the movement against the first Lebanon war – his charisma if anything enhanced by the fact than unlike many of his comrades he was religious. He was injured in the grenade attack by a right-wing fanatic on a Peace Now protest in 1983 which killed another demonstrator, Emil Grunzweig. But he was quickly swept into mainstream public life, becoming first an adviser to the then Prime minister Shimon Peres, then a Knesset member, then Speaker of the Knesset, head of the Jewish agency and the World Zionist Organisation and the almost-victorious candidate for the Labour Party leadership in 2001.
...The implication of Burg's analysis, one that perhaps only an Israeli would have dared promote, is that the fostered memory of the Holocaust hovers destructively over every aspect of Israeli political life – including its relations with the Palestinians since the 1967 Six Day War and the subsequent occupation. "We have pulled the Shoah out of its historical context," he writes, "and turned it into a plea and generator for every deed. All is compared to the Shoah, dwarfed by the Shoah and therefore all is allowed – be it fences , sieges ... curfews, food and water deprivation or unexplained killings. All is permitted because we have been through the Shoah and you will not tell us how to behave."-
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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one of his most controversial themes is what he himself calls a "both embarrassing and frightening" analogy with Germany's Second Reich. In drawing attention to the importance of the military – and the lack of "any alternative, civilian school of thought" – in the political life of Israel as in Bismarck's Germany, or of the parallels between the lack of representation of Israeli Arabs in many key tiers of public life and the exclusion of Jews from the officer class of the pre-Hitler German Army, or the impunity with which the extreme right can make racist statements about "the other", Burg is emphatically not seeking comparison with the Nazi era, but "of the long incubation period that preceded Nazism and that gave rise to a public mindset that enabled the Nazis to take power".
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... Fearing that the days of the conventionally envisaged two-state solution may be "numbered" Burg says both societies have been "abducted" by fundamentalist religious elements who believe in their competing versions of a single state. "We are abducted by the settlers; they are abducted by Hamas. If Bibi Netanyahu comes back to power and Hamas stays in power there will be an awful clash between our one-state-solution vision and their one-state-solution vision. None of these religious zealots really expresses the real will of the people and one of the only ways I know how to redeem the people from being hostage is to offer an alternative background."
...What has most encouraged him about the book's reception is its impact on younger Israelis, groups of whom he is still invited to address 18 months after its publication. "All those who wanted to kill me are Labour centrists, 50-plus, secular, well-off economically, and they said, 'Well Avraham now that we've made it, you come with your stupid questions. Stop it immediately.' I lost many of my classical supporters in the centre. On the other hand I gained very interesting new ground among the younger generation who understand that something is not working in this kingdom."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/11/03/the-holo...
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gamahuche10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ah yes!
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Well now we're well into New Year celebrations, the Cathedral bells have been rung, a couple of shots of slivovice swallowed and the homefires burning and the lentils cooking my gf, having viewed the turgid prose which I have inveighed against you, advises me that the best reason for my pen-name is that she's always ready to give me a good gamahuche while I'm propelling.
So have done with your arrant nonsense, swallow - your pride - and perhaps fate will smile on you too. -
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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What the story leaves out is the sequence of events.
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Israel was created in 1948.
Immediately the Muslims surrounding it attacked at the same time telling Muslims living there to leave while the Army of Islam drove the Jews into the sea and killed them there.
A significant portion of the Muslims left.
After the war was lost by the Muslims the ones that left wanted to go to Muslim countries to live.
They were denied entry by all Muslim countries.
A few went back to their homes and lived there.
The rest created their own ghettos to live in.
Today those who stayed or went back immediately are full Israeli citizens and have members in the Knesset and a supreme court jurist.
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CaptainLucid10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Holy crap I can't believe I am supporting you endo but you got this one right. The main reason the other muslim countries won't ever help the palestinians is because they hate Israel but know better than to attack it head on. They send weapons and money to the palestinians and let them do the dirty work and suffer the consequences. Funny that for all the hate Israel talk the thing that upsets them the most is when the Israelis lock the gate to keep them away from their jobs and markets they enjoy in a democracy. Recently a bunch of palestinians rushed the egyptian border because the Israelis got fed up with being killed and locked the gate. The egyptians machine gunned them because they don't want palestinians in their country. When will the palestinians realize that Israel is their ally and the muslim countries want to keep them suffering because they are sacrificial pawns fighting someone elses war. If the palestinians want to know where things stand try asking saudi arabia which is overflowing with money to buy them food and medicine and ship it through egypt. Not going to happen. Or the Israelis who at the moment are trying to negotiate a 72 hour cease fire so humanitarian supplies can be moved into gaza from the Israeli side.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Still peddling that old zionist propaganda Endo? The fact is that the UN was in the process of setting up a single country in Palestine with equal rights for all inhabitants regardless of race or religion when the zionists lauched their massive terror and ethnic cleansing campaign.
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Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews
... According to first and still existing draft of history, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is nonsense.
In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.
The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
So the partition plan was vitiated, became invalid, and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine (after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away) was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.
The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionism terrorism and ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless ….. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved. And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not take from the Palestinians by force. ...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18...-
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vor10 months, 2 weeks ago
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That history reads like it came from some sort of condensed Zionist propaganda. Like some simpleton's version of history. This history hardly began in 1948. The idea of Israel is basically a British creation (like Iraq) and just as disastrous an idea. And of course it all goes back to Jerusalem and the idiotic fights over whose phony messiah reigns. And the fact that these people deemed themselves as "chosen" in their own version of history. From the very beginning we have sided with Israel and there is no change in sight for that policy. This is certainly assured with Hillary Clinton in charge of State. Hopefully Obama brings some reason and restraint to the discussion.
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A decent article, if it comes across as biased it is simply because it is the antithesis of what is presented in America. The perception of the Arab world is just as skewed by the likes of Al-Jazeera. But few here dare challenge Israel on any issue. You are quickly termed an anti-Semite, as if most even know what a Semite is to begin with. There is no open discussion thus the conflict continues without resolution in sight.-
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Listen to the antisemitic rants about a history they do not want to hear. Look what happened when the Palestinians broke down the fence to Egypt. Why did Egypt do what they did? That is very recent history that confirms what I was saying.
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vor10 months, 2 weeks ago
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You must have a vague idea of what agnosticism represents? I think all religions are horsesh-t. Not that some good cannot be derived from positive belief but you are still in the end praying into thin air. And man-made dogma hardly interests me.
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And I suppose your God talks back to you? And that your supposed God is different from the one your Muslim brother prays to? Although they both are rooted in the (again supposed) God of Abraham.-
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are funny. Agnostic means they do not know. Your saying I am praying to thin air means that you believe there is no God. That makes you atheistic.
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This is hilarious. Several atheists keep trying to tell me that atheism means that they have no belief one way or another. That is what agnostic means. Do not know.
There you are claiming to be an agnostic and saying "you are still in the end praying into thin air." That means that you deny the existance of God. Atheism.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Furthermore Endo, by then the zionists had already been practicing terror against civilians for several years.
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A Summary of Zionist Terrorism in the Near East — 1944-1948
Prepared for Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, UN Mediator for Palestine
Foreward: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte’s immediate replacement.
The report is a compilation of all identified terrorist attacks on British, American and Arab individuals and entities from the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East on November 6, 1944 by members of the terrorist Jewish Stern gang to the assassination of Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948 by members of this same gang of fanatics.
This information is compiled from reports of the US Department of State, the British Foreign Office and various American and British press services.
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Antisemitic
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For those who do not know what it means it refers to the descendant of Shem. Most of the region of the Middle East are that. It has in modern history become associated with the Jews and ignores the other Semitic groups there including the Arabs.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Indeed Endo, you do know that zionists invented the car bomb and were the first to use it against civilians?
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The Poor Man's Air Force
A History of the Car Bomb (Part 1)
...Buda's wagon was, in essence, the prototype car bomb: the first use of an inconspicuous vehicle, anonymous in almost any urban setting, to transport large quantities of high explosive into precise range of a high-value target. It was not replicated, as far as I have been able to determine, until January 12, 1947 when the Stern Gang drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing 4 and injuring 140. The Stern Gang (a pro-fascist splinter group led by Avraham Stern that broke away from the right-wing Zionist paramilitary Irgun) would soon use truck and car bombs to kill Palestinians as well...
...The members of the Stern Gang were ardent students of violence, self-declared Jewish admirers of Mussolini who steeped themselves in the terrorist traditions of the pre-1917 Russian Socialist-Revolutionary Party, the Macedonian IMRO, and the Italian Blackshirts. As the most extreme wing of the Zionist movement in Palestine -- "fascists" to the Haganah and "terrorists" to the British -- they were morally and tactically unfettered by considerations of diplomacy or world opinion. They had a fierce and well-deserved reputation for the originality of their operations and the unexpectedness of their attacks. On January 12, 1947, as part of their campaign to prevent any compromise between mainstream Zionism and the British Labor government, they exploded a powerful truck bomb in the central police station in Haifa, resulting in 144 casualties. Three months later, they repeated the tactic in Tel Aviv, blowing up the Sarona police barracks (5 dead) with a stolen postal truck filled with dynamite.-
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Stern Gang, which rejected anything less than the restoration of a biblical Israel, now gave the truck bomb its debut as a weapon of mass terror. On January 4, 1948, two men in Arab dress drove a truck ostensibly loaded with oranges into the center of Jaffa and parked it next to the New Seray Building, which housed the Palestinian municipal government as well as a soup-kitchen for poor children. They cooly lingered for coffee at a nearby café before leaving a few minutes ahead of the detonation.
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"A thunderous explosion," writes Adam LeBor in his history of Jaffa, "then shook the city. Broken glass and shattered masonry blew out across Clock Tower Square. The New Seray's centre and side walls collapsed in a pile of rubble and twisted beams. Only the neo-classical façade survived. After a moment of silence, the screams began, 26 were killed, hundreds injured. Most were civilians, including many children eating at the charity kitchen." ....
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/76140/mike_davis_o...-
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djn3nunez310 months, 2 weeks ago
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Israel was created in 1948.
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No. Israel declared itself an independent nation in 1948.
Immediately the Muslims surrounding it attacked at the same time telling Muslims living there to leave while the Army of Islam drove the Jews into the sea and killed them there.
Fighting had begun in earnest soon after the UN Partition vote (General Assembly) in 1947. All Arab nations were asked for help defending the Palestinians. Much of the fighting was fought on the Arab side of the partition. Had the Arab armies not intervened I think the Israelis would have taken all of Palestine. Those who could afford it left the area, before Israeli independence and the declaration of war by the Arab Nations.
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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I am Christian. Al taqiyya is a Muslim concept not a Christian one. You are speaking in ignorance of my feelings towards liberals and homosexuals. I do not hate them. What I hate is the hateful rhetoric some of them spew forth as political discussion. I am forced by God to look on the Homosexual act as an abomination. That is what the Bible says.
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You are the one giving out the hate speech. You define a difference of opinion on those topics as hate.-
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Will131310 months, 2 weeks ago
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Al taqiyya is a Muslim concept not a Christian one ...
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yet you used the term is reference to Shana4Liberty... who is a TRUE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE.. so you must be a LIB HOMO MUSLIM or you're implying that Shana is a muslim...
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/12/30/cheney-q...
just to refresh you memory...
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Will131310 months, 2 weeks ago
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I am forced by God to look on the Homosexual act as an abomination. That is what the Bible says.
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you PRACTICE LITTLE OF WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS...
Matt 7:1
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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Luke 6:37
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
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John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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Matt 7:2
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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Rom 14:10
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
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Rom 14:13
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
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1 Cor 4:5
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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1 Cor 6:1-10
6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? -
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Will131310 months, 2 weeks ago
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and a few more for you..... learn them .. love them..
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3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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1 Cor 11:31
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
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James 4:11
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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You posted that concept of the Bible. Why do you not apply that to yourself. Think about how you always twist my words and try to make everything I say a lie. Why? Because you do not like my views on homosexuality. Any time I give a link you call that lies. Any time I say anything you call me a liar.
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