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Posted By berkeley 1 year ago in Political NewsAmericans may wish to avoid what is necessary. We may believe that concerns about presidential lawbreaking are naive. That all presidents commit crimes. We may pretend that George W. Bush and his senior officers could not have committed crimes significantly worse than those of their predecessors. We may fear what it would mean to acknowledge such crimes, much less to punish them. But avoiding this task, simply “moving on,” is not possible.
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Goppy1 year ago
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I say ... forget im.
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Let history be George W. Bush's prison.
I just don't see the benefit of trials for this rogue administration.
All it would do is tear our nation further apart.
Let's be thankful that even more damage wasn't done by these idiots ... these promoters of a disgraced ideology ... the anti-American Ideology of Neo-Conservatism.
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PatrioticAmerican1 year ago
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You guys are always full of accusations, but never strong on PROOF, i can say Obama is a shady dealer , and the proof is the people he associates with, but just saying bush is guilty of crimes against this Country
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does not make it true, Find something on him charge him with it and see what happens if he is found guilty then he is guilty. for 8 years people have been ACCUSING Bush of things and NOTHING has stuck or gone any further then that, LMAO dems say if we get into power we will put impeachment on the table, then when they got the power they flopped and didnt do it , they couldnt because they had nothing to impeach on, unlike Clinton Bush did not lie under oath during an investigation, Bush did not use the Oval office as a sex room, Bush had the Balls to do what HE thought was the right thing to do and stood by his decision and didnt let people like Ted (been in congress for 60 years and needs to get out ) change his postion he is the only president that has not flip flopped on what they did, once again you have to look at your messiah Obama he has flopped n several things already, he ran on "in 16 months ill bring the troops home" now its it wont happen in my first term, HMMMM so he lied to the people that voted for him. there are others but i dont like to type this much, Bush has done things wrong like every president before him but nothing he can be charged with, i do not agree 100% with him but support 100%-
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rimbaud1 year ago
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Instead of a prosecution, how about a "Truth Commission," in which those wronged will have a chance to air their grievances and those that did the wrongs will have a chance to explain (Cheney) or apologize (Bush, Gonzalez & Co). Yeah, we don't need another special prosecutor spending millions on anyone's private real estate dealings or personal foibles. That Clinton impeachment was a yawner: the capital press were excited about it, but the public recognized it for the wretched excess it was. I'm sure none of our representatives want any of their speeches replayed.
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gamahuche1 year ago
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Which rock have you been hiding under for the last 8 years?
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GWB and his accomplices have destroyed the United States and its reputation world-wide more effectively than any previous government in my venerable life-time.
Others have committed abominable acts of folly, fought illegitimate wars, committed acts, foreign and domestic of the utmost stupidity but NONE has come close in the elevel of corruption, personal greed and above all the violation of human rights in comparison to this one.
Ecoonomically the US will be in the garbage can for the forseeable future - barring a miracle from Obama - and reputation-wise, who can forsee how it can win it back?
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crespi1 year ago
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Goppy, you're starting to sound like Obama.
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Cheney admitted on television to authorizing water-boarding, which is still considered torture on American law books.
Bush said publicly on TV that he "didn't watch any coverage of it [Katrinna] for the first three days'" which constitutes criminal negligence.
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crespi1 year ago
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The law we HANGED Japanese officers for, endo.
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Look it up.
Cheney said he could wave his "Unitary Executive" hand and make it legal. The Supreme Court of the United States said no he couldn't.
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jakesguile1 year ago
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YES, we're talking about TREATIES because the Geneva convention is a LAW. Let me explain the Constitution to you Mr. Endo.
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In Article II, there is a little clause about the President's power to create treaties and that they are deemed international/national law once signed. And as we all know from the Supremacy clause of the constitution, international/national law trumps state law. No state can take away a person's right to vote even by popular decision because the national law allowing anybody over 18 who hasn't comitted a fellony to vote takes precidence. Geneva Conventions apply, always have, always will, for the simple reason that the US signed onto the accord, making it national law by default. That makes torture illegal, your "uniform" argument is just a straw-man designed to be a distractor so you can go try torturing more people in turbans.-
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Sabretooth1 year ago
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Endo usually will not reply once you start stating facts, the best you can hope for is some rant about liberals having no proof. Endo is well known for making up his own version of the truth. My personal favorite is when he tries to convince people he is a Christian
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Goppy1 year ago
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I hear ya 59 ... and you too crespi. ("Isn't there room for just a LITTLE prosecution?)
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We simply must stop impeaching and seeking revenge upon those who occupy the Oval Office.
It's going to rip our nation apart.
I'm pleading with you. Y'all do not seem to understand how deeply depraved is the Modern Right in this nation!
The Modern Right Wing is comprised of so many lunatics who are so vocal and 'ready for action' that you cannot predict how they will react.
Seriously, have any of you read libsRfunny's comments lately? What about pc25? simonsez has become COMPLETELY unhinged since Obama was elected. Endoscopy is a seething cauldron of limitless hatred and angst.
Just look at (un)Patriotic American's comments on this thread.
Look, the best thing about the Bush administration is that America was presented the very first, complete Republican/Neo-Conservative Federal Government.
And America has come to see that these ideologues are complete lunatics. At every step, they have chosen to place their hardline ideology above the interests of our nation.
These men were ... ARE ... Morally Vacant. Bush and Cheney supremely so. And now, America knows it.
Why make martyrs of them to the hair trigger nut-cases that populate the right wing extreme?
I personally believe that if you on the Left pursue a judicial path with these reprobates ... it will only serve to launch our nation into a PERMANENT state of tit for tat.
Why do y'all think Clinton was impeached?
It had NOTHING to do with Monica or a stained blue dress.
The right impeached Clinton as PAYBACK for Nixon.
Think I'm wrong?
Just read the livid comments from those on Propeller's right. If it wasn't for the Right's negative, angry energy ... the Right would have no energy at all.
The Right runs on anger ... passionate anger ... and revenge.
If trials are implemented for Bush and Cheney ... I will GUARANTEE you that the Right will devote their entire existence toward formulating impeachment for Obama.
Let's nip this tit for tat in the bud ... and let's do it now.
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crespi1 year ago
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I don't consider justice tit for tat myself, or fear of the Right's false accusations as a just consideration to ignore actual wrongdoings that resulted in death of American citizens etc., but as long as I don't have to hear CNN lying to us what a "great man" Bush was, I'll try to give it chance.
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I only hope this isn't just ANOTHER concessionary rollover to the ultra-conservatives, the kind of caving in to anti-Democracy factions that resulted in the damage to our country and our Constitution in the first place.
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tehranchik1 year ago
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Who are you and what did you do to my Goppy???
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I had to think long and hard about this before commenting. Would I be looking for revenge to ask for indictments? Probably a little revenge would feel good to me. Then I went beyond the revenge.
Laws have been broken by those at the top. Following these laws is what sets us apart from dictatorships, kingdoms and banana republics. Why should they get a pass? It's got nothing to do with anger. There's no tit for tat. This is black and white. They robbed, they lied, they manipulated, they stomped on the constitution and the rule of law, they took us to war, they ruined thousands - no - hundreds of thousands of lives here and around the world. My heart isn't big enough to forgive this yet, and I haven't even mentioned the torture.
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tehranchik1 year ago
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Should we really let all this be forgotten gop?
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ADAGUY1 year ago
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We can investigate, and attempt to prosecute for the next 4 years, or we can go on and start cleaning up the mess. I really hate to lower ourselves to the standard of the GOP by investigating constantly for several years, but another side of me says all these bastards should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, just to set examples for the rest of them.
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frctm51 year ago
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I agree with you in some ways Goppy, but its not strictly about Bush but a restoration of faith in process and the legal system. If we allow our laws to be broken without recourse or consequences, we weaken these for all who might follow by allowing them to say, we'll these guys got away with it, so why can't we? Even if investigations turn up nothing of consequence, it will help shed light on the truth. No one should object to discovering the truth regardless of their political leanings.
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jaern1 year ago
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I don't know Goppy. I think there should be consequences for actions. If they go unpunished, what message does that send? Yes it will cost a lot of money. Personally, my pocket book was impacted with the impeachment of President Clinton, nor was anyone else that I know.
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Klarissa1 year ago
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Mr Horton honestly does admit he has close business ties to Georgian government officials for the purpose of fun and profit. Good for him.
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Business is always good if done with ethics and gain for all. But doesn’t this make him suspect on his point of view? But I am sorry, I have to take with a grain of proverbial salt his basic defense of the Georgian regime. I appreciate his point of view on the heroism of the younger generation in achieving what appears to be some level of democracy. But beyond that, sorry.
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Spadecaller1 year ago
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If our nation is to leave the
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Dark Ages that we have fallen into, it will require action not just words of condemnation. If we value the international law as a nation, the civil right of all human beings, the right to fair trials, habeas corpus, the right to live without the fear of unwarranted wiretaps, secret detentions, political imprisonment, exploitation of our children for wars of "luxury" that only benefit the corporate moguls who profit from them, we will have to bring these men before the courts.
Too many people in this world and in this country know that our government has abused its power and our tax money to wage war, to kill innocent Americans and Iraqis because it was lucrative.
Most people know that we have only increased the burdens of the people from these oil rich nations; the result will be that we have only added more people to the terrorist organizations who want to find revenge. Our government has the blood of terrorist victims all over the world on its hands. The day must come when we must face these crimes or we will become exactly what we condemn.
I am saddened to admit these truths, but they are now self-evident.
The last vestige of hope that we have in this nation is to use the internet to expose those companies, the same companies who own the media and who profit from engaging in endless wars. But without showing that our nation will not tolerate crimes against humanity and will not tolerate an imperial dictator who used the title of the president too loosely, we will stay in the dark ages.
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berkeley1 year ago
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i agree entirely.
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if you read the legal and historical arguments in favor of criminal prosecution, they are overwhelming. no legal authority figure is speaking out in favor of doing nothing.
but almost every "popular" voice, or political voice, or media voice, is saying the opposite. do nothing. we can't change the past. it would tear the country apart. blah blah blah.
the corporate press, and congress, are united on this question. that alone should give us warning.
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StevieGee1 year ago
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Here's some evidence right from the horses a**. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYyhnQ2RkQE
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Goppy1 year ago
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Very Powerful StevieGee.
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Very Powerful.
Can there be any more compelling reason to ascribe the term Moral Vacancy to this ... the first true Neo-Conservative Administration?
Can there be any clearer evidence that those who support Torture ... and ALSO call themselves Christians ... are deluding themselves ... or flat out lying?
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Teech1 year ago
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Nawwwww. I watched the video. It's obvious that those terrorist loving, anti -American commie pinko liberals at ABC doctored the tape and somehow electronically made it seem like Cheney was saying those words.
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Some kind of digital editing chicanery. Had to be.
Don't believe a word of it.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
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There are just days left for Bush to serve. But the liberal hate Bush machine is still going strong. I have some problems with things Bush did but none of them were Illegal. The left has had the Hitler type of Big Lie going on the administration for so long they believe their own lies. Hitler stated that if a lie is big enough people will not believe that someone could say something like that and it not be true. They would not check it out as they would a small lie.
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In a court of law there needs to be a definition of law the person is charged with breaking and acceptable evidence that the person did break that law. This is required just to get to trial. At that point the evidence has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the person is guilty.
Provide the laws and evidence. Ranting is neither. I can rant all day that Obama is a criminal and should be locked up and the key thrown away. But since nothing exists in reality nothing would be done except for rants against me. -
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CactusAnnie1 year ago
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Hi Endoscopy! It is very nice to see you and I wish you an absolutely wonderful New Year. Life is good and I am sure yours if filled with love, my best to your entire family!
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You know, lack of evidence for prosecution has never stood in the way of full scale persecution...-
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frctm51 year ago
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Yes, as whitewater has demonstrated. Republicans hunted Bill for years and turned up nothing. One party's persecution is another's search for justice. The only time it is persecution is if there is no probable cause or evidence is fabricated. Since you all seem to have so much faith in Bush's innocence, I fail to see why you would be concerned about any investigation of charges or allegations. If anything, it will only vindicate your claims so I don't understand why you wouldn't lend your support.
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CactusAnnie1 year ago
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Sorry about the neg there Frctm, I hit the rating button instead of the reply. I know, I could change it to a pos, but don't want to do that either because your premise is sophistry. There were multiple convictions that came from that investigation.
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Only to mention a very few, Whitewater, for one of the primary inquiries, led to the conviction of the McDougals and Guy Tucker the AR governor at the time, and more. And though not convicted, why did Hilary sign her name and list her title as "president" on the tax return she filed for the Whitewater Corp.? I know, she just liked the word 'president' . Why did Dan Lassiter end up behind bars? Why was Jerry Parks, the Clinton chief security officer murdered on a busy Little Rock highway, execution style after numerous urgent calls from Vince Foster, right before Vince's demise. Jerry's wife had a very poignant and heart breaking story to tell.
Of the over 200 points of indictment during the impeachment hearings, why were most of them thrown out but the most salacious ones, the media "sell advertising" "sex sells" points? Why did only a hand full of the House Representatives and no Senators refuse to even look at the evidence presented during the hearing? I'll tell you why, in one word, SELLOUT, that and the fact they probably love their families.
I only mentioned the tip of the iceberg here, only because you made one little mis-nomer in the basis for your statement. Ah, what the heck, I will go back and change my neg to a pos now.
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frctm51 year ago
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Its okay Annie, I don't take it personally when people neg me. As long as the discourse is civil, I am mature enough to accept that people can disagree. I have heard the theories about the Clinton's offing people during whitewater but have never thought there was much credible evidence to support this view. Vince Foster was among those who were claimed to have been assassinated instead of committing suicide, but he had a gun in his hands and powder burns one them. Much is made of the fact that they could not retrieve the bullet but it is absurd to think some one would orchestrate a hit to make it look like a suicide and then stick around to find the bullet and retrieve it. Even if it could be done, why bother? Such a frame up would be extremely difficult to perpetrate.
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CactusAnnie1 year ago
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Hey darlin', I did go back and change the neg to a positive, just like I said I would. And I just gave you another positive now...
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I was just saying that there were multiple convictions, and multiple guilty verdicts in that investigation. There were also a lot of very important unanswered questions.
Jerry's widow, just one MINOR player, told how after several frantic calls from Vince, their home having been, raided, ransacked, and torn apart; the files that Jerry was supposedly safe-holding on orders from Hillary about Bill's dalliances in earlier years was the supposed reason. Then when their family was sitting in the living room watching the evening news, and Foster's suicide was announced on TV she said Jerry went white, grabbed the arms of the chair he was sitting in and said, "Oh God, I'm a dead man." According to her, they left the country for a while, and when they came back he took to arming himself, even when he went to the mailbox. The same gun was found beside him in the car seat after he was executed. I know, hearsay, I also know that when there is a whole lot of billowing smoke, there is likely a fire somewhere. I have taken the time to read a lot of the documents that the "filegate" guy didn't steal, the ones that are public record.
I guess I am just saying, there were a whole lot of convictions that came out of the investigation, there was a whole lot of testimony that was squelched, there was a whole lot more going on than made it to the reported press. It is on record if you want to take the time to look at it.
Our congressmen didn't seem to want to be bothered with it. When Denny Hastert took the paltry few articles of indictment that the House had decided on to the Senate, in the official meeting, Trent Lott's first words were, "You are not dumping this 'crap' on us". None of our Senators even took the time to look at it. There is your Republican majority for you.
All this, AFTER they had held up their right hands and sworn to uphold the laws of our land... the word SELLOUT comes to mind.
Just saying, your premise in that one statement was a wee bit off...
My very best and warmest regards ti you though, my fellow American...
Thanks for your reply! CA
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Goppy1 year ago
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Yes ... truer words were never spoken CactusAnnie.
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As frctm5 has mentioned, the RNC and Mainstream Media began the White Water Witchhunt as soon as Bill Clinton was elected.
The Rabid Righties, as I like to call those who cannot see the big picture, learned their lesson from THAT experience.
They learned they needed to indict the candidate BEFORE he gets elected.
That's why they came up with the whole Swift Boat thing for John Kerry.
And with the Right's Domination of Media ... it's very difficult to find justice once the Rabid Righties launch into their persecutions.
Why ... did you know that Julian Sinclair, the owner of SBC broadcasting ... and owner of the MOST independent TV stations in the nation ... ORDERED every one of his stations to broadcast .... IN TOTAL ... the Swift Boat Hate Campaign against John Kerry just one week before the national elections in 2004?
That's quite a propaganda coup.
But I still maintain ... speaking from my position as a Centrist ... that you on the Left must take the high road.
Don't muck around using the same tactics as the Rabid Righties.
When the Rabid Righties launch into their Hate Speak Campaigns like they did against Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Obama etc ... America EXPECTS this. America realizes that the Right has become Rabidly Extreme.
I mean ... CRAZY EXTREME.
So they EXPECT the Right to engage in anti-American, Pro-Right Wing Ideology Hate Speak.
But see, America expects MORE from the Left.
America Expects Liberals to CARE about holding our nation together.
America Expects Liberals to be intelligent.
America Expects Liberals to be healers.
In short ... everything that is the opposite of the Modern Republican.
So if you on the Left choose to pursue a persecutory tack with GW and DC ... be prepared to lose face.
And though you may be within your rights ... legally ... don't expect America to PERCEIVE you to be in the right.
And in politics ... PERCEPTION is reality.
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Sabretooth1 year ago
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Endo, i doubt anyone will take the time to show you evidence since you just ignore it anyways. It is pretty obvious that you have some sort of advanced mental condition that makes you delusional...best of luck with that.
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Teech1 year ago
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...."True, but it doesn't take long for him to make a screw up. Therefore, the possibilities are endless!"
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"Dick, can I nuke somebody now, huh, huh, please?"
"Dumbya, you've been asking that for years and I told you I'd think about it. Hmmmmm, we could blame it on Obama, invoke an executive order, declare a state of national emergency, postpone the inauguration for national security reasons......."
Yup. As long as the Bushtapo is still in power, the possibilities ARE endless!
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mmrhe1 year ago
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Do you believe the case to invade Iraq was completely above reproach?
Or will you admit there's at least the chance that intelligence may have been cherry picked to support an ideology or strategy?
It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence and witnesses who would be willing to testify to this but I have to agree with Goppy to a point.
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mc1954car1 year ago
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"The Crawford Cowboy"and many others in this andminastration should be charged and convicted of war crimes and crimes against the constitution.This needs to happen to restore confidence in our political arena as well as the monetary system.I have great doubts that it will .........so I will hope "Dick" takes Georgey Boy hunting soon for "Lame Ducks".
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frctm51 year ago
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Many of the accusations and investigations have been hampered by claims of executive privilege that are far broader than that right was designed to sanction or protect. I think it is worthwhile to investigate these claims further. As the conservatives say, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Once Bush is out of office, executive privilege is no longer relevant and given their love of justice and the rule of law, conservatives would voice no opposition to comprehensive investigation into malfeasance by the administration. After all, they supported seven years of whitewater investigations, so for moral consistency conservatives would not object to a thorough postmortem on this administration.
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watchingU6671 year ago
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so bringing the guilty to justice is "bush bashing"? how then could all you cowardly bush sheep scream for clinton to be brought up on charges over something that didn't kill anyone and clinton was at least a good if not great president? bush and his cabinet outright lied to everyone to have us INVADE a country that was not in any way involved with 911 and why did bush put all his buddies the bin ladins in the air to maybe keep he and his fathers involvement with the bin ladins secret? why did we not go after them and hold them like we did so many innocent people in guantonimo bay? he and his cabinet used terror to do his dirty work.what bush did is almost surely going to kill many more than he already has like creating a world that will hate us for decades to come and iran can't be feeling safe stuck there between iraq and afganistan, is bush and his"chosen" guilty of war crimes? more than we'll ever know i'm sure, they should see what daddy bush had to do with this mess, they lied to us and used a horrible attack to trick a big populous of us to believe iraq was responsible when we all knew who was responsible(bin ladin in afganistan) but like i said before the bush people were great friends with the bin ladins.i wonder how much it cost us, and how much more its going to cost us in the future? we need to bring bush to justice before all these republicans want to bring obama up on charges for bushs' crimes.we have invaded someones country and i hate being on the side of the bad guy, Americans are supposed to be the heroes and if you're not upset about being the villain what can you think of our country.we need to be fair and bring the evil to light and set them on their course towards their punishment,i'd be willing to bet that if charges were brought against them bush would run hide in the caves with bin ladin.
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Justice4All1 year ago
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I still think Bush should be prosecuted. Even if he's impeached the day he leaves office it sends a strong message to the world as well as future presidents that they will be held accountable.
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THOMNH621 year ago
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under an Obama admin there will be another 911 and history will judge GWB as the president who kept this country safe for 8 yrs. You moron lefties will never get it, the world is not full of sushi and wine and is filled with people would rather shoot you in the head than listen to your rants about equality and peace. Give me break.
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CHAM1 year ago
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But there are too many THOMNH62 people. The overly too long article said there should be punishment. And there should. Those guilty of the crimes against the American people and the crimes against humanity should never go unpunished. To ignore the crimes THOM, is to condone the crimes.
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Matters not a bit whether others that went unpunished committed the same or worse crimes, we have here an Administration that had no fidelity for law or life or liberty. That you would support such is to your shame.
The article talked much about waterboarding and other torture but failed to mention that tens of thousands of people were tortured and that there are over 100 documented cases of detainees being tortured to death. The undocumented number will never be known. There are a few documented cases of detainees forced to watch as their children were tortured to elicit a confession or a knowledge of something the interrogator was looking for.
What kind of monster would condone this behavior?
WE should bring the perps up for charges and let their lives be on the line based on the evidence. The enablers would be even harder to bring to justice, you for example might not know of some the information I just wrote down above but rest assured there are others that know every sordid detail and approved of it. And this is just about one violence to the law. The deaths of over a million people for no reason other than to feed the War Machine is despicable and against the law. And over four thousand of those dead are Americans.
As to the Party that brought Bush and the immoral crowd upon the heads of America, my solution for the Republican Party is to shun it, until it becomes irrelevant in American Politics.
Thom, you supposed what might happen under Obama and you condemn it, but you readilly approve of the crimes committed by your kind, and make inane excuses for their behavior. Your heroes would demand your blood if it was profitable to them, and whether you know it or not, they have removed from you some things more precious than anything except life, they have stolen some of you freedoms. -
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crespi1 year ago
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George Bush SWORE ON THE BIBLE to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, then turned around and said, "the Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper."
Besides publicly LYING TO GOD, he spit on our American law, the American people, and the Founding Fathers.
Bush CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED that HE hates America!
What is with you Neocons? You LOST the hearts and minds of America through hate and greed. And do you really think such PRIDEFULNESS about lying pleases GOD?
Seriously, DO YOU?
Please explain how, exactly.
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CHAM1 year ago
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Sandmonster. My position is that those who condone what the Bush Administration did get down and ugly if you speak unkindly about their hero, and their Party. They have no problem forgiving all the death and destruction those immoral, unethical, monstrous people did. And to defend the behavior, they cite that others were criminals and didn't have to face justice, so neither should the latest criminals.
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My point is that sooner or later we have to draw a line in the dirt and say "no more" and to make the point we are going to punish you for your crimes so that those who follow and commit crimes against people and our country will know before hand they have to pay for their deeds.
The problem with Republicans is that they have no problem with punishing Democrats, just not Republicans. This is shameful behavior.
I think Republicans and Democrats and people of any other Party should be punished for their crimes.
This Country, for its on good, needs to throw off the labels given to their political opponents. Our Country would be so much better for it. -
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The problem with the "let 'em go quietly because going after them would just tear this country apart" mindset is that then (for the sake of logical self-consistency) you would have to apply the SAME standard to all sorts of OTHER cases --- consider, for example, that of the right-wing military types who "disappeared" all those folks down in Argentina, or (in the even considerably greater extreme) of, say, a HITLER, if he had not done the world the service of "prosecuting" HIMSELF and exacting his OWN punishment.
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The International Court of Justice in the Hague would be the appropriate NEUTRAL, INTERNATIONAL tribunal to consider such a case.
If we just let these birds waltz off Scott free, then in essence what "we" do is to "institutionalize" a thoroughly CRASS double "standard", and "we" ABANDON "our" vaunted "values" ---which will amount to a CHEAPENING of what this country is supposedly "all about".
I fully realize that that IS indeed the likeliest outcome. But it seems to me that we should all at least, in passing, RECOGNIZE (if not actually FACE UP) to the implications of what it iis that we (do not) do.
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