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Posted By WikiMap 11 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsThe father of an 11-year-old Idaho girl who was found dead in a Christmas Day snowstorm has been charged with second-degree murder.
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Charlson11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Leaving two young children to walk ten miles in a snowstorm that caused one's death is negligent homicide plus child endangerment at the least. The man had a serious lapse in judgement and, for some reason, I think this was one of many lapses in this guy's history and it just caught up with him. And how in the hell did this guy have custody of the children?
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Natureboy11 months, 2 weeks ago
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A truly sad story. WTF was the father thinking?
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But his crime seems to be abysmal stupidity. What is most disturbing is that when a story like this airs, it is occasion for the sadistic to post their weird fantasies about the torments that should be visited on the wrongdoers.
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ltlmstrblmkr1511 months, 2 weeks ago
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2nd degree murder does NOT always imply intent.....it does,however,apply as 'disregard for human life'.....which seems to fit,since BOTH adults showed total lack of regard for what might happen to these children.Tho I commented here days ago,giving benefit of doubt,I DID questiontion why the other adult wasn't charged.To now learn he was an 'uncle',as well as the drug history(which I also mentioned as a real possibility).....well,I'm now glad to see BOTH have been charged.Perhaps the 'lack of regard',the reasoning behind this tragedy wasn't known then.....but seriously,they both were totally WRONG in letting those children go,BUT,to me, the CRIME occurred when BOTH made the choice to return home once the vehicle was mobile,rather than go pick up the children & continue on to the mother's house.It seems a 10 mi. trek would take a fair amount of time for these kids,especially factoring in the weather & their age & even attire,so,yes,IMO,these men are guilty of a crime,NOT a mistake or misjudgement.Quite obviously drugs & lifestyle had a definate role in this.As far as WHY he father had custody?It seems probable he was NOT awarded custody,but the mother GAVE him custody,that would explain the 'how the Hell did he get custody' question best,I believe.
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orndorffter11 months, 2 weeks ago
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It wouldn't take much for an 11 year old girl to freze to death in that kind of weather, the men had no right to to have drus while children are with them, just how much would one love their chid and do drugs while they are with you? they was already putting her life at rick before this happened by doing drugs. If I was the mother I would find a way to see him and be in the same room with him, I would probley go to jail but it would be worth it after I got finished with him.
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cushi11 months, 2 weeks ago
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I am very torn in my thoughts about this. When I was a young parent, I once let my son walk to the nearest 7-11 to get a newspaper because he wanted to get out in the snow and kept begging me to send him to the store for something. We had blizzard conditions, which was very unusual in these parts and I was as excited as he to see it! I had no idea of the danger it could impose until I realized my son had been gone for nearly 2 hrs. The 7-11 was only a 10-15 minute walk from our house, but in the blinding snow, he could not see where he was going and became disoriented. I thought he was just playing around in it and taking his time coming back, but then I began to realize he might be in trouble out there. I decided in a panic to go look for him when I met him coming up our street, shivering cold with tears running down his face, and he was about 11 or 12 at the time. I was never so glad to see him and so angry with myself for being that naive and foolish! But for the grace of God, that could have happened to him.
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On the other hand, I don't think I would've let him walk 10 miles in knee deep snow, naive or not; that would've been against my better judgment even then.-
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lvrofwolves11 months, 2 weeks ago
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I feel the same way cushi, in Jan 1977 we had a really big blizzard in Ohio, snow covering cars it was so deep, temps 5-10 below 0 during the day, all schools closed. My parents went to work, I just turned 15yr, loving snow as I do, of course my friends, brother and I wanted to go out, I had gotten MOON boots for Christmas,we lived out in the sticks basically. When I called my Mom and told her we were going out, she said ' no! just stay in, we begged and begged and she finally said well ok but make sure you bundle up! and be careful' we wanted to take a hike and several times we got lost because there were 'white outs' we couldn't see cars driving, we didn't even know we were on the road half the time, we found snow drifts that were at least 8ft in a farm gully, and decided to dig snow tunnels, I dug real far back and then it collapsed. My Brother and friend dug me out, and it was a little scary, we decided to head home which was only about a mile back, but I started getting a little concerned we wouldn't be able to find our way back. It was AMAZING and fun and exciting THEN, but it could have easily turned tragic for any of us. My Mom and Dad wouldn't have even known where we were or what happened till many hours later if even that day. I sure wouldn't have wished for them to be charged.....but this Dad...10 miles???? that's insane, what could he have been thinking???
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jpnobody11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Very tragic indeed!
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I tend to agree with MOXXXXXXXXXX. The Darwin theory holds true!
First: Is charging these men justice or revenge? They both will have to go through life knowing they are responsible for the childs death. What a burden!
Second: For ltlmstrblmkr15 should all the women who have had an abortion be charged with murder since they obviously show a total diregard for human life? -
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CHAM11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why do people do the things they do? Why did the father and nephew think that the mother was coming to meet them? From what was said the kids were totally convinced that she was coming.
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To meet their mother who would have had to be coming on a road, they would have had to stay on the road.
But why on earth would they leave in a snowstorm in their pajamas? I don't mean from the car, I mean from the house?
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k9kssr11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, it depends on the criminal codes in each state, but there is something called negligent homicide, in effect, bringing about someone's death do to irresponsible actions and differs from the term "murder".
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WhoAreWeToJudge11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow! Interesting points of views from all of you. I am so glad God will ultimately be his Judge. For how can we as humans be the judge of this man. I am a mother of four, and while I have never been involved with drugs as mentioned in some of your comments, whether I were or not, I can be assured that as a parent no matter where your state of mind is, your children's well being is always top priority. Drugged or not, how is one to know whether them moving toward their destination or freezing next to you in the broken down car was going to be more withstanding. 12 year old children are legally able to be alone/babysit. How then can we hold the dad responsible to force his children to sit in a freezing cold vehicle rather than attempt to get to warmth. I pray that I am never is such a desperate situation, but how dare any of us judge until we are?
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CHAM11 months, 2 weeks ago
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A few years ago there was a severe ice and snow storm in my state. It came suddenly and much more fierce than had been anticipated.
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All travelers along the wooded stretch of road ( about 20 miles) got off the road and built fires along that stretch along the shoulders of the road. Good people with the proper equipment kept the whole stretch warn for the next 24 hours.
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