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Posted By Shana4Liberty 12 months ago in NewsThe GOP has offered up a very clear brand by way of its actions and words and this has been soundly rejected by the voting public. It is also being rejected by those who once considered themselves GOP members. The GOP can’t even sell its current agenda to its own members. How does it sell this to the general public?
The current GOP merely offers us a different shade of red. Until the GOP seriously offers a credible alternative, it can expect to continue its embarrassing decimation at the hands of the neoconservatives its members continue to trust.
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Albmore12 months ago
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One of the biggest problems with the GOP is they have in the last 8 years brought to light what both parties have been doing for even longer and that is fullfilling their own interest.Still little has changed. Now we have Clinton back on foreign policy. Well I have a question. IF the Clintons were so against soldiers in Iraq then why were they not removed in the 8 years Clinton was in office? If these two parties are not working together then why did Clinton sign into act the NAFTA policies started by papa Bush? If Obama is change then why do we see so many former Clinton admin. back in office?
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Neither the Dems or the GOP have the interest of the people in mind.This entire election was a fraud on the American people. At the end both parties will blame the other for the problems that do not get solved and their internal goals will be achieved. They will keep us fighting among ourselves when they steal all of what OUR land has to offer.
How many public officials have been sitting years in DC and done nothing? They keep us diverted on non issues and continue their game. Steriods in baseball? Come on entire economic system was beginning to crash and this was important?
If you are an American and you want to look for your family and your land best interest, then look outside these two parties, get informed, get invovled and take OUR nation back out of the hand of greed and corruption.-
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mesodude12 months ago
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Before anyone can convince me to "look outside these two parties" I need to know that they are at least aware of their own biases. HTH did you manage to steer a story critical of the GOP to an indictment of the Clinton administration? HIllary Clinton was First Lady in the 1990s and our presence in Iraq during the Clinton administration was relatively insignificant compared to what it has ballooned into under REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. What I get from your post is that you hate the Clintons and you apparently slept through the first six years of the Bush administration (because you have very little to say critical of the GOP). Both parties have their faults but the positives of the Clinton administration are roughly proportional to the damage and destruction created by George Bush and I have a hard time believing you when you make your anti-Democratic party bias so obvious.
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Goppy12 months ago
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Excellent submission, Shana4Liberty.
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This is a very meaningful issue for me.
As I've often said, I voted for many Republicans in my younger years. Republicans were a great party throughout the 60's and early 70's as I was beginning my interest in politics.
I can dispassionately recognize the accomplishments of Richard Nixon even as I realize how dangerous his political behavior was.
I had a great deal of respect for Gerald Ford.
When I was growing up, every Republican I knew was straight-ahead pragmatic, maybe somewhat stodgy, but very sensible and reasonable.
But that all changed when Newt Gingrich brought his 'Scorched-Earth' style to DC. He almost single-handedly changed the Republican Party into a rabid pack of attack dogs who no longer had personal dignity or valor.
And ever the Machiavellian and lusting after the mailing addresses that Jerry Falwell had assembled, he made overtures and wooed the leaders of the Christian Evangelicals and merged the two 'movements'.
That's when it came to pass that ... Republicans no longer relied on their cogent arguments to win the day ... they began to bludgeon their opponents as being essentially immoral.
And of course, the Christian Evangelicals lost as well. They could no longer claim their goal was a personal Spiritual Awakening ... now ... America sees them as just another Solid Political Block ... to be given automatically to the Republicans ... and ignored.
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There were NO winners in Newt Gingrich's 'Republican Revolution' OR his "Contract With America" ...
But I ask y'all ... what would ANYONE have expected from such a despicable character? Did anyone stop and think ... do we REALLY want this Pugnacious, Highly Partisan, Adulterous Hypocrite to define the GOP?
As it turned out ... the Post 'Republican Revolution' is more of a reflection of Newt Gingrich than any could have imagined.
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flyonthewallzz12 months ago
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al taqiyya:
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I read a bit about it the other day.
My take is that it is one of the many things that separate the Shia from the Sunni.
Basically the shia believe that the blood from Mohammad’s daughter Fatima is the correct way to categorize the importance of the disciples of Islam.
They have always been the minority and have faced persecution and allowed the use of words that conflicted with beliefs if it saved folks from torture or death.-
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flyonthewallzz12 months ago
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I have been paying attention:
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I found the word very interesting.
As I understand it: altaqiyya is considered an important survival mechanism for the Shia.
It appears to me that the interrogators in Iraq where facing an ancient form of disinformation.
This had to be one of the worst "Command Responsibility" decisions ever made.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/tagubarpt....-
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flyonthewallzz12 months ago
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Sorry: compelled to do a little FTA from the link:
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"6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:
1. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
jumping on their naked feet;
2. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
female detainees;
3. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
sexually explicit positions for photographing;
4. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
keeping them naked for several days at a time;
5. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
underwear;
6. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
7. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
then jumping on them;
8. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
sfingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
9. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
10. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
picture;
11. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
detainee;
12. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
13. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.
(ANNEXES 26 and 26)
8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26):
1. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
phosphoric liquid on detainees;
2. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
3. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
4. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
chair;
5. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
6. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
against the wall in his cell;
7. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
perhaps a broom stick.
8. h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
instance actually biting a detainee."-
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Endoscopy12 months ago
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And they have been doing that every day the detainees have been there. Is that what you are implying. It seems like it. Put forth the facts of how much it was done and if anything was done about it. Otherwise you are just giving out propaganda and not information.
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flyonthewallzz12 months ago
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It was not my intent to imply that this has been an ongoing event.
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I have read General Petreas's Counter insurgency manual, and am sure that he would have strongly denounced such activity, and stopped it if he had known.
The actions brought shame on our warriors and placed them in greater danger.
To deny that it happened at all would be a hollow form of Al taqiyya,
and would bring even more shame on our troops, and ourselves.
The Intent is to win the “hearts and minds” of the population, from what I have read that is the only way to win a counter insurgency.
From what I have read about the SERE techniques they where developed from the way our soldiers where treated in communist Asia, and where used to persuade a false confession, to be used for propaganda.
So even if the techniques worked to get correct intelligence from most of the population, it seems they would have been less than effective with Shia Muslims.
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Endoscopy12 months ago
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Al taqiyya is a lying when it is permissible to lie. One of the lies perpetuated is that it is only permitted to protect yourself from death or torture. The key verse is the following.
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"Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliyaa' (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them" [Aal 'Imraan 3:28]
From this verse a Muslim can lie to non Muslims and act like friend. If he is really a friend then he is not considered a Muslim any more. The fear can be just a mental fear of being treated like an outsider. Some Muslims who converted to Christianity talked about it and it was put in a book. They said they acted angry when the scuds hit our troops in the first Gulf War but when they gathered around in a group and watched it with fellow Muslims they cheered. So they can lie about their beliefs to any non Muslim if they feel just a little bit threatened or if they have a need to defend Islam. -
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flyonthewallzz12 months ago
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I am one heck of a lot more left wing than I let on.
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At least in terms of the way I have voted.
I have always pulled the lever for the folks with a “D” after their name.
I confess to silly partisan ignorance.
During this last election I decided it was time to be a bit less ignorant, and try to look at thing a bit more pragmatically.
There are quite a few things in the “Conservative” hand book that I agree with wholeheartedly.
I do not trust the government, I hate paying taxes, and think they should spend less.
Unfortunately I trust large corporate entities even less, so I have chosen to back the power that pretends to give me a modicum of choice.
The Republican leadership has not demonstrated restraint in spending or reduction in the size of government. And it appears to me that they are more willing to use the power of federal government to control lifestyle choices and make them crimes.
It seems I differ from many of my fellow lefties, in that my faith plays a big role in the approach I choose to vote with. I was raised in a peace church tradition and realize that my view point exists for the sake of balance.
I seriously considered voting for Ron Paul, until I listened to Obama’s Philadelphia speech on race. From my perspective he took lemons and made lemonade from the situation. He has done a few things have caused me to question my choice.
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CHAM12 months ago
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When describing the acts of malicious torture ( described is the milder forms of torture ) and at least one mention of taking photographs of dead detainees.
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The most famous photograph is of the body of Manadel Al Jamaidi being stood over by a female soldier. That night Manadel was tortured to death by Navy Seals and were assisted by mercenary soldiers. Jamaidi was not the only detainee tortured to death that night at Abu Gharib.
And speaking of torture, there are over a hundred documented cases of detainees being tortured to death. The undocumented is left for you to guess.
One other little fact: of the over 100,000 detainees so far in this war, approximately 93% of them have nothing to do with Al Qaeda. That percent is what has been sold to the U S for bounty. And tens of thousands of these people were tortured.
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mmrhe12 months ago
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Let's not forget the fear mongering that has caused us untold harm.
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We've had stories on Propeller about how wasteful military spending is and how over the long term it damages our "real economy"
WE SPEND MORE ON DEFENSE THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED.
This cannot be sustained.
We must end this madness!
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